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Re: Rub rail purchase

James Watkins
 

I will also send you final drawing and a one foot sample of the first extrusion.

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II Maraamu hull 185

 

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From: Aras
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 3:40 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase

 

I would be interested for my Sharki #163

 

Aras

 

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:24 PM Chad & Leslie Shoaf <crshoaf21@...> wrote:

I would be interested in the rub rail for an 85 Maramu.  

 

Chad

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:57 AM James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Pat  I am the owner of a Maramu hull 185 and am going to also replace the rubrail but as I understand it is quite different than the one you are ordering.  Only send this to let you know that I am also in the process of ordering a die to do a new rub rail from Techno Rubber Industries also.  Only mention it as they may be even sharper on pricing if a couple of different Amel models are ordering from them.  I don’t have any idea if other Maramu or Sharki owers would like to replace their rub rail but getting more order for a custom part always saves money and after thirty years or so they do need replacing. 

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II Maramu hull 185

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From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase

 

Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
 Thanks,
Par
Shenanigans #123

 



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Aras Grinius

 


Re: Rub rail purchase

Aras
 

I would be interested for my Sharki #163

Aras


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 6:24 PM Chad & Leslie Shoaf <crshoaf21@...> wrote:
I would be interested in the rub rail for an 85 Maramu.  

Chad

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:57 AM James Watkins via groups.io <ewatk49734=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Pat  I am the owner of a Maramu hull 185 and am going to also replace the rubrail but as I understand it is quite different than the one you are ordering.  Only send this to let you know that I am also in the process of ordering a die to do a new rub rail from Techno Rubber Industries also.  Only mention it as they may be even sharper on pricing if a couple of different Amel models are ordering from them.  I don’t have any idea if other Maramu or Sharki owers would like to replace their rub rail but getting more order for a custom part always saves money and after thirty years or so they do need replacing. 

 

Best Regards

Jim Watkins

Act II Maramu hull 185

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Patrick McAneny via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rub rail purchase

 

Vladimir, I have a sketch that Maude sent me,which I will send. But the rub rail is going to be fabricated based on an actual piece of rubrail to be certain it is an exact reproduction. They will send me a sample before production begins. I have paid for the design/die so the order is in the works. The order will be placed within the next ten days, so I urge anyone interested to join the group buy soon. The more owners that place an order will bring the price even lower.
 Thanks,
Par
Shenanigans #123

 



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Aras Grinius


Re: new Rigg on SM2000

Alexis LETELLIER
 

Hi Eloi,
I just changed my standing rigging at Seanergie Hyeres. And as you said, it's ACMO fittings with WDS cables. I actually didn't challenged that part.
My standing rigging was from 1989, and when they removed it, they could confirm it was still in excellent conditions.
Still, we wanted to be safe, and 30 years is a good life already.
If I may ask, how do you know your rigging has to be changed? (2004 looks young compare to our SR)
I can't answer your question about quality of these cables. Just one point, Seanergie warned me that today, cables are made with a small part of carbon for some reason. And this material can give a slight "rusty acpect" quite quickly. But it's not real rust, and has no impact on the solidity/longevity of the cables.
cheers
Alex


Re: new Rigg on SM2000

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Eloi,

 We had Pen Azen rerigged 4 years ago by X-Voiles in Hyeres on the recommendation of Amel. Very professional job. They took both masts off the boat. When they finished the boss and I sailed for about 5 hours while he carried out the final tweaks.

 They , too, used ACMO fittings but bought the cables direct from Germany. As I recall it, the one German supplier is the company that everyone uses--including ACMO themselves.

 We rerigged after 16 years and about 50,000 miles, which was stretching things a bit, though the old rig was in good condition.  Having a new rig tweaked by a pro made a noticeable difference to our sailing performance.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Eloi Bamberg <eloi.bamberg@...>
Sent: 03 August 2020 22:02
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Group Moderators <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] new Rigg on SM2000
 
Hallo,
Im am in the process of buying a SM2000 from 2004. The standing rigg has to
be changed. Amel in Hyères proposed to me the company "Sea Nergie Nautic"
(former Rousseau) to do the work. They made a quite interesting offer with
fittings from ACMO but the cables would not be from ACMO but from WDI in
Germany. Does anybody have experiences with those cables or would you
recommend to use cables from ACMO. Many thanks for your help.

Eloi
SM 2000 #426 (hopefully in 3 Weeks)


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

James Alton
 

Thanks a lot for the recommendation.  If we go, we will consider the car rental idea for sure.

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

I can second Sarande in Albania.  Very efficient and cheap.  I did it twice.  And Albania is a great tourist destination.  Renting a car and exploring the countryside and national parks is highly recommended!  


Re: Furling Main Motor

James Alton
 

Tim,

   I did contact Amel but while they have done an absolutely amazing job of providing many of the parts I need, they could not help me with the bearings and seals.  The sizes of the seals were marked right on the seal and the bearings could be measured and matched up at the local Napa store.  

Jim

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Tim Bowser <tim.bowser01@...> wrote:

James,

Thanks for the images, they were helpful.  When you replaced all your bearings and seals did you order them from Amel?

-Tim


Re: Furling Main Motor

Tim Bowser
 

James,

Thanks for the images, they were helpful.  When you replaced all your bearings and seals did you order them from Amel?

-Tim


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

eric freedman
 

When I bought Kimberlite we sailed to Guernsey and at the time in 2002 that was acceptable with Amels agent in France.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Kimberlite

On August 3, 2020 at 6:59 PM "Joerg Esdorn via groups.io" <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Over the last several months, I've become an involuntary expert in all things VAT on boats in the EU.  Marocco works, so does Gibraltar (that's a change since the UK left the EU) but the Channel Islands do not work - at least not for French customs.  

Joerg Esdorn

 


Re: Furling Main Motor

James Alton
 

Tim,

   Congratulations on buying the Maramu.  My boat is #220 and as Joel stated has fibreglass coverings for the motors.  The original motors and gearboxes are still in very good shape and have given us no trouble.  I went completely through the mainmast gearboxes replacing all bearings and seals.  

   I have seen a few different types of gearboxes and motors on Maramu’s.  I will include a photo of what mine looked like prior to the service work and painting.  The motors looked almost like new when I opened them up.  The last photo is after repainting/seal and bearing replacement.

James




On Aug 3, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Tim Bowser <tim.bowser01@...> wrote:

I recently bought a Maramu hull #188.  The previous owner used windlass motors as replacements for the furling on the main.  They seem to be corroding quickly since they were not built to be exposed to the elements.  Does anyone know what originally would have been here?  

-Tim



Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Joerg Esdorn
 

I can second Sarande in Albania.  Very efficient and cheap.  I did it twice.  And Albania is a great tourist destination.  Renting a car and exploring the countryside and national parks is highly recommended!  


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Joerg Esdorn
 

Over the last several months, I've become an involuntary expert in all things VAT on boats in the EU.  Marocco works, so does Gibraltar (that's a change since the UK left the EU) but the Channel Islands do not work - at least not for French customs.  

Joerg Esdorn


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Joerg Esdorn
 

I tried this procedure during the winter of 2018/19 in Naftplion and was told it had been discontinued.  It has been discontinued in Spain as well, by the way.  

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem


new Rigg on SM2000

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hallo,
Im am in the process of buying a SM2000 from 2004. The standing rigg has to
be changed. Amel in Hyères proposed to me the company "Sea Nergie Nautic"
(former Rousseau) to do the work. They made a quite interesting offer with
fittings from ACMO but the cables would not be from ACMO but from WDI in
Germany. Does anybody have experiences with those cables or would you
recommend to use cables from ACMO. Many thanks for your help.

Eloi
SM 2000 #426 (hopefully in 3 Weeks)


Re: Furling Main Motor

amelforme
 

There would have been a fiberglass shroud to protect it from the elements .

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Tim Bowser <tim.bowser01@...> wrote:



I recently bought a Maramu hull #188.  The previous owner used windlass motors as replacements for the furling on the main.  They seem to be corroding quickly since they were not built to be exposed to the elements.  Does anyone know what originally would have been here?  

-Tim

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Furling Main Motor

Tim Bowser
 

I recently bought a Maramu hull #188.  The previous owner used windlass motors as replacements for the furling on the main.  They seem to be corroding quickly since they were not built to be exposed to the elements.  Does anyone know what originally would have been here?  

-Tim


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi James;

 

We are currently wintering ( And “summering” I guess) in Montenegro. We highly recommend Montenegro, especially Porto Montenegro. We cruised Albania for a week last year. If you are just planning on checking in and out, Saranda will be a great option. It is only a few miles across from Corfu. An agent was referred to us by our agent (and now a good friend) in Corfu. She was very professional and took care of everything. The dock in Saranda is not the best, but will be safe, if no southerly component to the wind conditions.

 

Let me know if you need the agent’s contact information.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 10:17 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

 

Mohammad and Aty,

 

   Thanks for this information and also for the warning about opinions and responses possibly varying with officials.  I am hoping to return to the boat in time to have the option to make a short trip to either Albania or Montenegro before the time actually runs out.  We had a wonderful time in Montenegro in 2019 btw.  Does anyone have any advice for visiting at least the South portion of Albania to get the clock reset on the VAT issue?  Our destination will actually be Izmir to have the boat measured for new sails so Albania is going in the wrong direction but I don’t think there would be enough time to reach Izmir without going over the 18 month limit.  Cruising has certainly become more complicated!

 

Thanks again!

 

Best,

James

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

 

   

 

   

On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

 

When we were wintering in Greece, this is the same information we were told. The time that the cruising permit is surrendered to customs, is not counted towards the 18 month time limit.

 

However, opinions and responses vary drastically in the EU, depending on the country and the official you are talking to. We did take this issue seriously, but in our 6 years of cruising the Med, we have never been faced with an inquiry from any official regarding the amount of time Kokomo has been in EU waters.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

 

Bill,

 

   Depending on when Greece reopens to US travellers, I am potentially in a very similar situation with regard to the VAT and the 18 month limit.  My boat is located in Preveza, Greece and I have been using an agent there named Sofia to handle the paperwork.  I inquired with her on this issue and received the response posted below:

 

Hello

James

As long as the transit log deposit to the the customs office the clock is stopped

So the sueno can stay without VAT mire time than 18 months.

 

 

Beat regards

Sofia Gravani

Agency manager

 

(Sofia placed the transit log for Sueño with the customs office last October)

 

Despite this positive response I am still concerned about going over the 18 month limit.  Do you feel that this information is adequate or should I follow up and try to verify this information?  If you recommend that I verify then would you know who I should contact?

 

Thanks,

 

James Alton

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:49 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

Joerg,

 

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

 

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

 

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

 

Bill

 

 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

  

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain

 

 

 

 


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Matt Salatino
 

We are US-flagged, in Gibraltar now, on the Spanish side (Marina Alcaidesa). We took a bike trip into Gibraltar, and stopped at Queensway Marina to ask if we could restart our 18 month clock by checking into their marina for one night. They said yes, and they could handle the clearance particulars for us. We are not running out f time, but might do this before we move into the Med, just as insurance.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 3, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar via groups.io <uster@...> wrote:

France will certainly not be “more” helpful.  

Don’t play game with the customs, especially not the French.  

“They” will decided on the value of your boat to charge you the 20% VAT.  

Can’t you sail to Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey?  Any non-EU country?  


Sincerely, Alexandre


On Monday, August 3, 2020, 08:24:10 AM CDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: New England Lobster Pots

karkauai
 

Thanks James, I'd figured that out. Now in 20 kts on the beam in 200ft and just a few pots now.


On Aug 3, 2020 11:53 AM, "James Alton via groups.io" <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
Bill,
   I forgot to add that most of the deep water pots will have a second smaller float on them called a toggle.  The toggle aids in preventing the main float from being pulled underwater due to current or wind.  Try to avoid passing between the toggle and the main float since the pick-up line runs between these two floats.  Best of luck. James.  

On Aug 3, 2020 11:13 AM, "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote:



Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

James Alton
 

Mohammad and Aty,

   Thanks for this information and also for the warning about opinions and responses possibly varying with officials.  I am hoping to return to the boat in time to have the option to make a short trip to either Albania or Montenegro before the time actually runs out.  We had a wonderful time in Montenegro in 2019 btw.  Does anyone have any advice for visiting at least the South portion of Albania to get the clock reset on the VAT issue?  Our destination will actually be Izmir to have the boat measured for new sails so Albania is going in the wrong direction but I don’t think there would be enough time to reach Izmir without going over the 18 month limit.  Cruising has certainly become more complicated!

Thanks again!

Best,
James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

   

   
On Aug 3, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

When we were wintering in Greece, this is the same information we were told. The time that the cruising permit is surrendered to customs, is not counted towards the 18 month time limit.
 
However, opinions and responses vary drastically in the EU, depending on the country and the official you are talking to. We did take this issue seriously, but in our 6 years of cruising the Med, we have never been faced with an inquiry from any official regarding the amount of time Kokomo has been in EU waters.
 
Happy Sailing;
 
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
AMEL 54 #099
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule
 
Bill,
 
   Depending on when Greece reopens to US travellers, I am potentially in a very similar situation with regard to the VAT and the 18 month limit.  My boat is located in Preveza, Greece and I have been using an agent there named Sofia to handle the paperwork.  I inquired with her on this issue and received the response posted below:
 
Hello
James
As long as the transit log deposit to the the customs office the clock is stopped
So the sueno can stay without VAT mire time than 18 months.
 
 
Beat regards
Sofia Gravani
Agency manager
 
(Sofia placed the transit log for Sueño with the customs office last October)
 
Despite this positive response I am still concerned about going over the 18 month limit.  Do you feel that this information is adequate or should I follow up and try to verify this information?  If you recommend that I verify then would you know who I should contact?
 
Thanks,
 
James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
 
On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:49 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
 
Joerg,
 
For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 
 
Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.
 
I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).
 
I hope this helps, at least somewhat.
 
Bill
 
 
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  

 
 
On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!

joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain
 
 
 



Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Steven Nieman
 

I would sail to Malta and pay the 6% import tax. 🤓

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Op 3 aug. 2020 om 16:11 heeft Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <@Balu> het volgende geschreven:

He Joerg

why don't you check if you can sail to England? Thy leave the eu some month ago.

if it is allowed to enter the EU for us members
furthermore , entry restrictions are in place to the EU .




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