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Alwgrip

Paul Osterberg
 

We have got an offer to put Alwgrip on the Hull, boot strip and rub rail as she already in a shed undergoing some repair . the offer looks attractive   Is there anyone out there who have any good or bad experience with Alwgrip on the hull etc?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: new Genoa

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Ian, et al,
We replaced with a 150%, not a 140% - straight cut Dacron by UK sails.  A fat furling pad in the luff helps a bit with shape when it's furled. 
Given that "percent" (150, 140, 135 etc.) is the perpendicular distance from the sail's luff to its clew (LP) as a percent of the "J" measurement from the head-stay attachment point at the deck to the front of the mast, one wants to consider how the sail will set when poled out. 150% is the design length of our downwind poles. Thus a poled out 150% jib will sheet in snug to the pole end and be stabilized there. A smaller sail will obviously not sheet fully in to the pole and the rig is not designed to let the pole go forward, which would put an out of line force on the mast. 
The sail maker will, therefore, need to consider that the smaller sail will be tacked to a point intended for a 150% sail and consider pole end height and outboard distance to get a proper lead to the smaller sail and, even then, there will be a length of sheet between the pole end and the clew and a peculiar and unstabilized lead to the sail. Methinks the Captain designed for a 150 genoa (even upwind). Notwithstanding, it's probably a minor sub-optimization in our cruising world.
And, Ian, please ... I'm still trying to embrace "Santorin GT - Sangaris"
Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <parkianj@...> wrote :

We replaced in Trinidad with a triradial. We were persuaded to drop to 140% which we did.
The foot is higher so clear visibility under the leeward side compared with old sail.
Not much downwind in Caribbean so size us better as is shape when reefed. You could keep your old 150% for long downwind as the shape doesn’t matter then. We didn’t because we didn’t have storage space.
So far no regrets.
I think Craig on SN Sangaris did the same.
Will be interested in other comments.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN. Guadaloupe


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Genoa

Ian Park
 

Alex
It was from Ullman Sails in Chaguaramas. I think it’s Dacron, but the invoice is on the boat and I don’t get back there until next week.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

I have seen this boat in Martinique. The boat was on the dock next to my boat. I was inside. According to the owner "S" stands for special. Boat has many good features of new 54' boat. It has much more modern look. As I know, the upgrads are more for interior.

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Mar 7, 2018 16:55, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Olivier,

Well if you don't know about it, then may be the owner tried to be fancy...
I will ask Jean who owns "Too Much" the story he heard when he met the owner.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/7/18, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 1:50 PM


 









Hello,
no I
cannot tell anything about that. I've never seen a SUPER
MARAMU 2000 S ...Any
picture of this SM ?
Olivier


On Wednesday, March
7, 2018 4:14 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



 









I met a guy that met this owner.

If I remember correctly the (original) owner worked for Amel
and in his boat had the same ceiling and other things as the
54, etc.



May be Olivier can enlight us!



Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3/7/18, thomas. kleman
<no_reply@...> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 8:52 AM





 



















Last month my wife and I were anchored

off Cabrit in Iles Des Saintes. As often happens, an
Amel

leaving the area altered course and came by to chat. It
was

French flagged boat with a nice gentleman who inquired

whether we were heading north or south. He circled us
once

and left. As he was leaving I noticed that his rub rail
was

sporting "Super Maramu 2000

S"............"S" ???? I had never seen
an

"S" designation on an SM2K. It looked

legitimate.......not like those pranksters who paint 300
hp

on their 3 hp Honda outboard. Does anyone know what this
was

?









Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Olivier,

Well if you don't know about it, then may be the owner tried to be fancy...
I will ask Jean who owns "Too Much" the story he heard when he met the owner.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3/7/18, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 1:50 PM


 









Hello,
no I
cannot tell anything about that. I've never seen a SUPER
MARAMU 2000 S ...Any
picture of this SM ?
Olivier


On Wednesday, March
7, 2018 4:14 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar
uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









I met a guy that met this owner.

If I remember correctly the (original) owner worked for Amel
and in his boat had the same ceiling and other things as the
54, etc.



May be Olivier can enlight us!



Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3/7/18, thomas. kleman
<no_reply@...> wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 8:52 AM





 



















Last month my wife and I were anchored

off Cabrit in Iles Des Saintes. As often happens, an
Amel

leaving the area altered course and came by to chat. It
was

French flagged boat with a nice gentleman who inquired

whether we were heading north or south. He circled us
once

and left. As he was leaving I noticed that his rub rail
was

sporting "Super Maramu 2000

S"............"S" ???? I had never seen
an

"S" designation on an SM2K. It looked

legitimate.......not like those pranksters who paint 300
hp

on their 3 hp Honda outboard. Does anyone know what this
was

?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Genoa

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 



On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 4:05:12 PM GMT-4, Alex Ramseyer wrote:


Hi Ian,
who did you buy that from?
Is it Dacron or Hydranet?
Can you tell me your price>?
Thanks, Alex


On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 5:46:05 PM GMT-4, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

We replaced in Trinidad with a triradial. We were persuaded to drop to 140% which we did.
The foot is higher so clear visibility under the leeward side compared with old sail.
Not much downwind in Caribbean so size us better as is shape when reefed. You could keep your old 150% for long downwind as the shape doesn’t matter then. We didn’t because we didn’t have storage space..
So far no regrets.
I think Craig on SN Sangaris did the same.
Will be interested in other comments.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN. Guadaloupe

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Genoa

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi Ian,
who did you buy that from?
Is it Dacron or Hydranet?
Can you tell me your price>?
Thanks, Alex


On Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 5:46:05 PM GMT-4, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

We replaced in Trinidad with a triradial. We were persuaded to drop to 140% which we did.
The foot is higher so clear visibility under the leeward side compared with old sail.
Not much downwind in Caribbean so size us better as is shape when reefed. You could keep your old 150% for long downwind as the shape doesn’t matter then. We didn’t because we didn’t have storage space..
So far no regrets.
I think Craig on SN Sangaris did the same.
Will be interested in other comments.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN. Guadaloupe

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

Paul Osterberg
 

Kent
Do you know the foot length of your Genoas?
Original Amel foot is 8,25 m giving an area of 67 sqm. With a J of 5,0 meters I get it to 165%, but I might be wrong in how to calculate the %.
with my way to calculate the foot of your Genoas would be 5,5 m and 6,75 m looks  small, am I correct?
Would guess a 50 sqm Genoa would be a good alternative for the Caribbean.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello,

no I cannot tell anything about that. I've never seen a SUPER MARAMU 2000 S ...
Any picture of this SM ?

Olivier


On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 4:14 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
I met a guy that met this owner.
If I remember correctly the (original) owner worked for Amel and in his boat had the same ceiling and other things as the 54, etc.

May be Olivier can enlight us!

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 3/7/18, thomas. kleman wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 8:52 AM


 









Last month my wife and I were anchored
off Cabrit in Iles Des Saintes. As often happens, an Amel
leaving the area altered course and came by to chat. It was
French flagged boat with a nice gentleman who inquired
whether we were heading north or south. He circled us once
and left. As he was leaving I noticed that his rub rail was
sporting "Super Maramu 2000
S"............"S" ???? I had never seen an
"S" designation on an SM2K. It looked
legitimate.......not like those pranksters who paint 300 hp
on their 3 hp Honda outboard. Does anyone know what this was
?





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

karkauai
 

For the Caribbean in winter, I love my 110.  The 135 is a good compromise if you're only going to use one genoa, but the 110 and 150 seem like a great combination.  If I get a 150 for the S Pacific, I'll build it a little lighter than my current 135.

I find the double headsail rig is awesome downwind and don't see any need for a gennaker or spinnaker.

I'm storing my artimon, extra Genoa, and second headsail in the aft lazarette now, but may move them to a bow locker.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

Re: Mystery Boat

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 


Santorin GT  -  I like it!
Craig , s/v Sangaris; Santorin GT68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <parkianj@...> wrote :

It was in Le Marin, Martinique when we were there. I asked Jean Collin about it. He said that there was no 2000S.
I did think of putting GT after my Santorin....... (but not for long)

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: Mystery Boat

Ian Park
 

It was in Le Marin, Martinique when we were there. I asked Jean Collin about it. He said that there was no 2000S.
I did think of putting GT after my Santorin....... (but not for long)

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I met a guy that met this owner.
If I remember correctly the (original) owner worked for Amel and in his boat had the same ceiling and other things as the 54, etc.

May be Olivier can enlight us!

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3/7/18, thomas. kleman <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mystery Boat
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 8:52 AM


 









Last month my wife and I were anchored
off Cabrit in Iles Des Saintes. As often happens, an Amel
leaving the area altered course and came by to chat. It was
French flagged boat with a nice gentleman who inquired
whether we were heading north or south. He circled us once
and left. As he was leaving I noticed that his rub rail was
sporting "Super Maramu 2000
S"............"S" ???? I had never seen an
"S" designation on an SM2K. It looked
legitimate.......not like those pranksters who paint 300 hp
on their 3 hp Honda outboard. Does anyone know what this was
?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clothes Washer Replacement- Martinique

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

Mark- if you've been to Fort de France you're aware of the ferry traffic right through the anchorage every 10 minutes........I had to carefully counterbalance against to 2 ft waves or capsizing was a real possibility. It's much funnier now than it was while I was frantically tying the lines around the washing machine getting it ready to hoist. I have a few pics of this on our blog "svlorient.blogspot.com" if you want a laugh.......

Mystery Boat

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

Last month my wife and I were anchored off Cabrit in Iles Des Saintes. As often happens, an Amel leaving the area altered course and came by to chat. It was French flagged boat with a nice gentleman who inquired whether we were heading north or south. He circled us once and left. As he was leaving I noticed that his rub rail was sporting "Super Maramu 2000 S"............"S" ???? I had never seen an "S" designation on an SM2K. It looked legitimate.......not like those pranksters who paint 300 hp on their 3 hp Honda outboard. Does anyone know what this was ?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clothes Washer Replacement- Martinique

Mark Erdos
 

Thomas, I wish I were anchored near you to have watched this. It most have been very entertaining for your neighbors.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of thomas.kleman
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:18 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Clothes Washer Replacement- Martinique

 

 

I thought I would add to the group's knowledge base and share my recent experiences. I read all the posts and was persuaded that I should probably change out my 14 year old clothes washer before it breaks. As I found myself in Martinique, what better place than here to do this, as the voltage is 220/50.

 

The previous posts were helpful in that 60 cm depth and 40 cm width is a European standard. The two long cabinet bolts are also about 61 cm apart so even though there is room in the cabinet, major carpentry would be involved if you went bigger than 60 cm depth. FYI, at least on SM2K #422, the old Thomson 5 kg unit I replaced was 45 cm wide, so despite having slightly more capacity (6 kg vs 5 kg), the new machine is only 40 cm wide. The tricky thing here is the height. On my boat, the max height of the machine at the highest point of the control panel can be 91.5 cm (the height of the inside hinge of the lid). Some of the machines that otherwise would fit were too tall (high knobs, etc.) for this space. Also, the lid handle on some models protrudes very close to the wall of the cabinet on some (i.e 4-5 cm forward of the front). So if you buy a new machine, it's risky to ignore the height and the handle measurements.

 

There are at least 3 options to purchase a machine in Martinique (Fort de France); Hyper-U (Galleria Mall), Jules Vieules (Galleria Mall), and Darty (20 min walk from Galleria mall). Hyper-U had 1 model that fit. Darty and Jules Vieules had more selection and I'd recommend those options.

 

We purchased our machine at Darty, only finding out later that the warehouse and showroom are a 20 minute walk apart. We were impatient so we anchored in Fort de France and actually dinghied our machine to the boat (59 kg) and hoisted it aboard. No problem as my wife is quite strong and correctly saw our failure in this effort as being sentenced to bucket washing for at least a year. The old machine is heavier however. I was worried about the reverse process (getting the old machine off the boat without damage) and decided to disassemble it into lighter pieces. Seems like 1/3 of the weight of the old machine is the 3 counter vibration weights bolted onto it. I'd highly recommend this process unless you have 4 strong people on your boat. Amazing to look at a disassembled clothes washer and ponder how it can be 1/4 the price of the simple aluminum casting atop your genoa furler, but I digress.....boat economics, I guess.

 

The new machine ended up being a Thomson THOM-Top 14 which I purchased for about 420 euros. No carpentry needed at all, save some bracing on the width because it's 40 cm wide vs. the old one's 45 cm width.

Re: new Genoa

Miles
 

Hello all,

 

I have had a big tri-radial made from Hydranet cloth for 11 years and many miles and it still  looks good.  It was made by Gateff, who is no longer in business.  The shape is such that it takes a good shape even when partly furled.

I would recommend the cloth and the tri-radial cut.  It keeps its shape and does not go to pieces like many laminates.

 

I suggest that you add Q-sails to the list of sailmakers you are talking to.

 

Ogemar Sails & Marine Equipment Ltd.

Eski Havaalanı Caddesi  No: 188/3  A.O.S.B 

35620 Cigli / Izmir-TURKEY

 

T:  +90 232 3281228

F:  +90 232 3281177

 

info@...

 

www.qsails.com 

https://www.instagram.com/ogemar_sails_spars/

 

Regards,

 

Miles S/Y Ladybug, sm216, Le Marin, Martinique

 

 

 

Clothes Washer Replacement- Martinique

thomas.kleman <no_reply@...>
 

I thought I would add to the group's knowledge base and share my recent experiences. I read all the posts and was persuaded that I should probably change out my 14 year old clothes washer before it breaks. As I found myself in Martinique, what better place than here to do this, as the voltage is 220/50.


The previous posts were helpful in that 60 cm depth and 40 cm width is a European standard. The two long cabinet bolts are also about 61 cm apart so even though there is room in the cabinet, major carpentry would be involved if you went bigger than 60 cm depth. FYI, at least on SM2K #422, the old Thomson 5 kg unit I replaced was 45 cm wide, so despite having slightly more capacity (6 kg vs 5 kg), the new machine is only 40 cm wide. The tricky thing here is the height. On my boat, the max height of the machine at the highest point of the control panel can be 91.5 cm (the height of the inside hinge of the lid). Some of the machines that otherwise would fit were too tall (high knobs, etc.) for this space. Also, the lid handle on some models protrudes very close to the wall of the cabinet on some (i.e 4-5 cm forward of the front). So if you buy a new machine, it's risky to ignore the height and the handle measurements.


There are at least 3 options to purchase a machine in Martinique (Fort de France); Hyper-U (Galleria Mall), Jules Vieules (Galleria Mall), and Darty (20 min walk from Galleria mall). Hyper-U had 1 model that fit. Darty and Jules Vieules had more selection and I'd recommend those options.


We purchased our machine at Darty, only finding out later that the warehouse and showroom are a 20 minute walk apart. We were impatient so we anchored in Fort de France and actually dinghied our machine to the boat (59 kg) and hoisted it aboard. No problem as my wife is quite strong and correctly saw our failure in this effort as being sentenced to bucket washing for at least a year. The old machine is heavier however. I was worried about the reverse process (getting the old machine off the boat without damage) and decided to disassemble it into lighter pieces. Seems like 1/3 of the weight of the old machine is the 3 counter vibration weights bolted onto it. I'd highly recommend this process unless you have 4 strong people on your boat. Amazing to look at a disassembled clothes washer and ponder how it can be 1/4 the price of the simple aluminum casting atop your genoa furler, but I digress.....boat economics, I guess.


The new machine ended up being a Thomson THOM-Top 14 which I purchased for about 420 euros. No carpentry needed at all, save some bracing on the width because it's 40 cm wide vs. the old one's 45 cm width.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

Paul Osterberg
 

Kent and others

We have today a 150% Genoa, just a few seasons old, we do not find it work well in apparent winds above 20 knots, when partly furled it wrinkles a lot and windward capability is poor, rather poor also when not furled.Typically we do 120 degrees between the tacks going upwind with the AP steering.
As we going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean we thought of ordering a new smaller Genoa suitable for the wind conditions in the Caribbean. and use the 150% when sailing in the Pacific.

What would you recommend?
an 110 or 135% genoa for the Caribbean?

We also thinking of geting a genacker on a furler, but where to store all the sails?

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reya water pump UK dealer

ya_fohi
 

Barry,

Anytime will do, I won't be back there until May (crewing in the Antugua Classics). Much appreciated and will pass on the good will of course.

Cheers,
Paul
Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98