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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

greatketch@...
 

For what it's worth, while the Pacific doesn't have Sargasso weed like the southern North Atlantic, costal areas can have lots of floating kelp. LOTS.

I do not remember our Duo-gen prop ever tangling with anything (other than a line I dropped overboard).  Certainly it was not a chronic problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <parkianj@...> wrote :

Jeff
The Maramu early SM and Santorin were fitted with the prop shaft alternator. It is wired so there is a separate ‘start’ key to excite the shaft alternator. The key is on a welded ring with the engine start key to prevent you running both together. Stop engine and remove key, leave in neutral (fixed3 blade prop), start the prop shaft alternator. Green light by switch shows it is charging.
To stop switch off and remove prop shaft alternator key. The green light will stay on indicating it is still producing charge. Put gear in reverse to stop prop and alternator, green light now out. Start engine.

If you are able to retro fit one I guess that extra wiring circuit is essential.

Don’t discount the transom mounted generator. I don’t know enough about them, but others recommend them. My buddy boat had the Aquagen towed generator. The length of the tow line gathered the Sargasso weed the same as a fishing line. He also lost a spinner to a large fish on a previous occasion!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

Ian Park
 

Jeff
The Maramu early SM and Santorin were fitted with the prop shaft alternator. It is wired so there is a separate ‘start’ key to excite the shaft alternator. The key is on a welded ring with the engine start key to prevent you running both together. Stop engine and remove key, leave in neutral (fixed3 blade prop), start the prop shaft alternator. Green light by switch shows it is charging.
To stop switch off and remove prop shaft alternator key. The green light will stay on indicating it is still producing charge. Put gear in reverse to stop prop and alternator, green light now out. Start engine.

If you are able to retro fit one I guess that extra wiring circuit is essential.

Don’t discount the transom mounted generator. I don’t know enough about them, but others recommend them. My buddy boat had the Aquagen towed generator. The length of the tow line gathered the Sargasso weed the same as a fishing line. He also lost a spinner to a large fish on a previous occasion!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul. I'll repeat my thoughts from past posts. We have had for 9 years a super wind generator on top of the mizzen.  mast. There is no vibration and no noise. It cannot be heard. It has mechanially auto feathering blades and a stop switch which because of the auto feathering never needs to be used in strong winds. It never has to be used because of the sensibilities of night wstch crew or marins neighbours because you cant hear it.
I agree. Under 10 knots apparent wind the charge is slight. 15 knots good. 20 knots plus terrific. We only have 130 watts solar plus the 350 watt wind generator. I like having my bases covered. Sunny and windless ok. Windy and cloudy. Ok. Windy and sunny. Wow. Hiwever it was never my desire to be able to run all my high draw systems on these secondary chargers. I did not want to cross oceeans relying on diesel engines for my electrcity. Mid ocean storms can go for days with heavy cloud cover. Hence the wind gen. If i lost diesel generation i wanted to be able to keep my esential eletronics going. I could live without air con etc. As an aside. In my experience electric auto helms are not big current users. Radar is as are inverters. Auto helms should not be set too finely. A little bit of wandering does no harm and use a lot less juice.
Lastly I attribute the 8 years I got from.my flooded lead acid batteries to the combination of wind generator and solar. I thrashed them at times but mostly that constant charge looked after them
Regards
Danny
AM 299
Ocean Pearl



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-------- Original message --------
From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 7/04/18 01:38 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

Paul,

 

We have an Air Breeze generator. It is okay, not great.

 

It is one of the quietest systems on the market but can still be a little annoying. One of the best features is it can be turned off and locked with an installed switch. This is also a big plus when at dock.

 

When on the hook, we turn it on at night. It will add enough charge to the batteries (15+ knts) that we do not have to start the genset in the morning. Solar usually picks up enough after 10am. We run all three refrigeration units, instruments (anchor alarm) and fans at night. During the day, it is off as we have ample solar. In the Caribbean, I can count on one hand the days where our solar set up has not been adequate to charge the batteries and offset our power needs due to cloudy conditions.

 

On overnight passages, it will be on at night unless the person on watch gets tired of hearing it. No matter what, we always seem to have to run the genset for about a hour at night when sailing due to instruments, radar and auto-pilot etc. The wind generator doesn’t produce enough to offset this usage, even in stronger winds.

 

Hope this helps confirm your hesitation on a wind generator.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 6:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Can you comment on the output of the Amel shaft generator on your boat at various speeds?  My boat has the generator as well but the previous owner removed the drive pulley on the back of the transmission to install a flex coupling.  I plan to have the generator operational for our Transatlantic in 2020.

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Apr 6, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Agree with a John. The Santorin also has the prop shaft alternator and it is a gem. From talking to other cruisers en route there seems to be general agreement that maintenance free daytime solar just beats 24 hour wind generation.  
Just a comment to add - our Atlantic crossing buddies had a towed generator which just collected Sargasso weed so had to be ‘suspended’. The prop on an Amel isn’t affected because of its depth, keel protection and size. Any water generator needs to be easily accessible to free it from flotsam.

Ian 

Ocean Hobo SN 96. Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

Ian Park
 

Agree with a John. The Santorin also has the prop shaft alternator and it is a gem. From talking to other cruisers en route there seems to be general agreement that maintenance free daytime solar just beats 24 hour wind generation.
Just a comment to add - our Atlantic crossing buddies had a towed generator which just collected Sargasso weed so had to be ‘suspended’. The prop on an Amel isn’t affected because of its depth, keel protection and size. Any water generator needs to be easily accessible to free it from flotsam.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96. Antigua

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

Porter McRoberts
 

Mark!
With great appreciation. 
Porter


Excuse the errors.  
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On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:49 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

Contact Juan Ho, General Manager at Shelter Bay Marina to arrange to have the sails delivered there: http://www.shelterbaymarina.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

 

 

Thanks James. 

I will be certain to let everyone know!  

 

Another question for the forum

 

 

I am ordering sails from Q sails. 

 

Has anyone received shipments in Panama?  Can anyone confirm they are indeed tax free?

 

Where is the best place to receive shipments in Panama?  

 

Always appreciated. 

 

Porter McRoberts

S/V Ibis  54-152

Martinique. 

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:51 AM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter - Some on this forum, including myself, will be very interested to hear what you find out when you apply for your visas in Panama. We would like to pursue a similar itinerary eventually. 

 

Thank you for the posts. 

James

Soteria 

SM 347


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Steve. All excellent points. 

I think we’ll know if we get the visa while in Panama, If not. We’ll then delay on the American continent. 

We’ve also considered the gambier islands for part of the time as well. Less rolly. Further south and outside the cyclone belt. Less heat. 
So it seems. 

 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

 

Porter

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

 

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

 

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

 

Regards,

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

KoOlina, Hawaii


On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

 

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.

We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

 

It is based on 3 assumptions:

 

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.

2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.

 and the third:

 

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

 

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.

Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

 

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

 

Very much appreciated!

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152

Martinique

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Posted by: "Mark Erdos" <mcerdos@...>

Re: My first bow thruster service...

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Mike,
You can get the O rings and Neoprene seals in Ft Lauderdale at Florida Bearings - A Kaman Company; 2686 SW 36th St; 954-462-0825 (they've moved from Broward Ave).

O rings go by ID and CS (Cross Sectional Diameter) so your 78 X 3 would have an 84mm OD. Size charts show it as a 3.0X78.  US sizing is different and a close match would be a Size 151 at 2.62mm X 75.87mm.

Good luck with it.  
Craig Briggs SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <svtrilogy53@...> wrote :

Hi Bill,

I'm also servicing my bow thruster for the first time. Wondering how yours went and whether you decided to use RTV everywhere? 

I'm also trying to figure out what the proper size is for the o-rings. Parts lists I've seen show 78 x 3 mm and 40 x 2.5 mm. Are the 78 and 40 the inner or outer diameters?

Also, any advice on where to find the 10mm neoprene seals? We're currently in the Fort Lauderdale area. Was thinking of getting a 10mm sheet and cutting seals from that.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy SM#23

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
   not sure if relevant,  but my 1990 SM came with a hydro generator on the shaft between the C-drive and transmission.  When we are above 4-5kts it carries all the load, at 7-8kts it will put out almost 20 amps if the batteries want a charge.   The previous owners ran it all the time and reported no issues with the transmission or C-drive.  I have run it when ever sailing and at least for the last 18 months/6000nm I have had no issues.

We did install an Emek arch with 630 watts of solar and at anchor it carries the load and on a good day will charge the batteries.  I run the genset for about an hour (using both  60 and 40amp charger ) until the battery is about 90-95% the solar tops it off during the day.

No sunshine pretty much ablates the solar.  A windmill with solar would be a good deal.  

One thought, you have to have the voltages of all your energy sources match or they will compete, for example, solar wants to complete charging at 27 volts, while the hydro generator tries to maintain 26.5 volts.  So the hydro drops out if there is solar, even though the battery could use the extra power. 

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37
Emerald Bay Marina Exuma
waiting for wind pointing at St Thomas.  


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 11:19 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Paul,


On my old boat I used the Duo-gen made by Eclectic Energy in the UK, also makers of the D-400 wind generator.  The two units share the same alternator, and wind turbine.  (By the way, if your dock neighbor buys a wind generator, be sure it is a D-400.  They are REALLY quiet, even when the wind is cranking.)

I was of two minds with that piece of kit.  As a water generator under sail, it was truly awesome.  It generated all the power we needed on passage, a steady 60 to 120 Watts, 24/7. Batteries were fully charged all the time. I think the lowest state of charge I saw in 19 days from Hawaii to California was 98%. It performed better than I had hoped.

As a wind generator it certainly performed to its published specifications, and was capable of occasionally really cranking out the amps, and it was more than acceptably quiet... but...

I was always disappointed with the amount energy produced.  Both in famously windy San Francisco Bay, and in Hawaii, where we were in the Pacific tradewinds, the amount of energy produced PER MONTH was a fraction of what I got from my solar cells, and I only had 350W of solar on that boat.  Of course, there were some afternoons with a steady 20-25 knots of wind where the wind generator just cranked out the amps and totally swamped the solar array.  On a day with 10-15 knots...  not so much.  From a (dollar installed cost) per (Watt-hour actually generated over the long run), the wind generator was a very poor second to the solar installation.

Now, think about those numbers if you are considering using a wind generator to make power while sailing.  If  you are sailing close hauled, 20-25 knots of steady, apparent wind is not that unusual.  If you are sailing downwind, that never happens in anything short of nearly a full gale.

Certainly, the Duo-gen wind generator performance was hampered--a little--by not being very high off the water, and the power train certainly soaked up a little of the energy, but if it made twice the power I would have still have considered it to be of marginal utility.  It seems the manufacturer agreed, and now sells essentially the same system as a water-only generator. (The "Sail-gen")

I don't see where the design of the wind generator could have changed my conclusion. I haven't yet seen specifications on a wind generator that make me run out to figure out the best place to mount it.  

Other people have come to different conclusions.  They might use their boats differently, or in different places.  Maybe they are satisfied with the one day a month when it is windy and cloudy so the wind generator pays its keep. Maybe they need more power, don't have room for more solar, and the cost per Watt-hr is acceptable to them.  They might be more impressed with seeing the wind generator make 30 amps in a gust than in actually integrating the amount of power it made over the whole of last month. 

Now, that boat was not an AMEL SM.  It was only 40 feet. So it was slower (6 knots typical, 7.4 tops) and was also a much less power intensive boat.  Our typical power usage was about 50% of what we use on our AMEL.  (1700 W-hrs vs 3600 W-hrs).

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Re: Wind or Water generator

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

On my old boat I used the Duo-gen made by Eclectic Energy in the UK, also makers of the D-400 wind generator.  The two units share the same alternator, and wind turbine.  (By the way, if your dock neighbor buys a wind generator, be sure it is a D-400.  They are REALLY quiet, even when the wind is cranking.)

I was of two minds with that piece of kit.  As a water generator under sail, it was truly awesome.  It generated all the power we needed on passage, a steady 60 to 120 Watts, 24/7. Batteries were fully charged all the time. I think the lowest state of charge I saw in 19 days from Hawaii to California was 98%. It performed better than I had hoped.

As a wind generator it certainly performed to its published specifications, and was capable of occasionally really cranking out the amps, and it was more than acceptably quiet... but...

I was always disappointed with the amount energy produced.  Both in famously windy San Francisco Bay, and in Hawaii, where we were in the Pacific tradewinds, the amount of energy produced PER MONTH was a fraction of what I got from my solar cells, and I only had 350W of solar on that boat.  Of course, there were some afternoons with a steady 20-25 knots of wind where the wind generator just cranked out the amps and totally swamped the solar array.  On a day with 10-15 knots...  not so much.  From a (dollar installed cost) per (Watt-hour actually generated over the long run), the wind generator was a very poor second to the solar installation.

Now, think about those numbers if you are considering using a wind generator to make power while sailing.  If  you are sailing close hauled, 20-25 knots of steady, apparent wind is not that unusual.  If you are sailing downwind, that never happens in anything short of nearly a full gale.

Certainly, the Duo-gen wind generator performance was hampered--a little--by not being very high off the water, and the power train certainly soaked up a little of the energy, but if it made twice the power I would have still have considered it to be of marginal utility.  It seems the manufacturer agreed, and now sells essentially the same system as a water-only generator. (The "Sail-gen")

I don't see where the design of the wind generator could have changed my conclusion. I haven't yet seen specifications on a wind generator that make me run out to figure out the best place to mount it.  

Other people have come to different conclusions.  They might use their boats differently, or in different places.  Maybe they are satisfied with the one day a month when it is windy and cloudy so the wind generator pays its keep. Maybe they need more power, don't have room for more solar, and the cost per Watt-hr is acceptable to them.  They might be more impressed with seeing the wind generator make 30 amps in a gust than in actually integrating the amount of power it made over the whole of last month. 

Now, that boat was not an AMEL SM.  It was only 40 feet. So it was slower (6 knots typical, 7.4 tops) and was also a much less power intensive boat.  Our typical power usage was about 50% of what we use on our AMEL.  (1700 W-hrs vs 3600 W-hrs).

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

Mark Erdos
 

Porter,

 

Contact Juan Ho, General Manager at Shelter Bay Marina to arrange to have the sails delivered there: http://www.shelterbaymarina.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

 

 

Thanks James. 

I will be certain to let everyone know!  

 

Another question for the forum

 

 

I am ordering sails from Q sails. 

 

Has anyone received shipments in Panama?  Can anyone confirm they are indeed tax free?

 

Where is the best place to receive shipments in Panama?  

 

Always appreciated. 

 

Porter McRoberts

S/V Ibis  54-152

Martinique. 

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:51 AM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter - Some on this forum, including myself, will be very interested to hear what you find out when you apply for your visas in Panama. We would like to pursue a similar itinerary eventually. 

 

Thank you for the posts. 

James

Soteria 

SM 347


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Steve. All excellent points. 

I think we’ll know if we get the visa while in Panama, If not. We’ll then delay on the American continent. 

We’ve also considered the gambier islands for part of the time as well. Less rolly. Further south and outside the cyclone belt. Less heat. 
So it seems. 

 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

 

Porter

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

 

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

 

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

 

Regards,

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

KoOlina, Hawaii


On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

 

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.

We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

 

It is based on 3 assumptions:

 

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.

2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.

 and the third:

 

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

 

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.

Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

 

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

 

Very much appreciated!

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152

Martinique

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Massimo Vecchietti
 

I think ....both.
For Hydrogenerator look "Swi Tec"....the best


Max
SM Patchouli  II
 n. 84

2018-04-06 12:31 GMT+02:00 osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

We have an Air Breeze generator. It is okay, not great.

 

It is one of the quietest systems on the market but can still be a little annoying. One of the best features is it can be turned off and locked with an installed switch. This is also a big plus when at dock.

 

When on the hook, we turn it on at night. It will add enough charge to the batteries (15+ knts) that we do not have to start the genset in the morning. Solar usually picks up enough after 10am. We run all three refrigeration units, instruments (anchor alarm) and fans at night. During the day, it is off as we have ample solar. In the Caribbean, I can count on one hand the days where our solar set up has not been adequate to charge the batteries and offset our power needs due to cloudy conditions.

 

On overnight passages, it will be on at night unless the person on watch gets tired of hearing it. No matter what, we always seem to have to run the genset for about a hour at night when sailing due to instruments, radar and auto-pilot etc. The wind generator doesn’t produce enough to offset this usage, even in stronger winds.

 

Hope this helps confirm your hesitation on a wind generator.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 6:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 

Cock pit size

Paul Osterberg
 

hello!

would like to order some Sunbrella fabric to make a cover for part of the cockpit when leaving to boat for an extended period. As we are not aboard I wonder if anyone know the with of the cockpit measured along the wind screen, and also the distance from the wind screen to the back side of the captains chair.


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: Black Tank Secrets

Gary Wells
 

Thanks, Bill.

I doesn't look like there is much I can do about it other than make sure I've got no leaks after reassembly and maybe limit the use of the head.  I am pretty faithful about a 4-6 month cycle on s
jokers and am now considering adding an in-line manual shutoff for extra peace of mind.  It's all about aging gracefully :)

I can't fathom how big a project replacing the black tank will be!  I know that there are SMs that have had tanks added, but methinks that to tear into the factory build will be a mess no matter how it's done. 
 
Until then, it's just gonna have to suffice :)

Best wishes!

Gary W.
sm209, Adagio

Wind or Water generator

Paul Osterberg
 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: lifting with mizzen boom, climbing mizzen, and halyard lengths

carcodespam@...
 

Sorry Mark, my signature was not included in my message.
Yes, correct, the mastlift is expensive. I once bought it second hand for half of the new price and because I own the Sharki i have the small version 12 meters of the mastlift only.
After all I like it because I don't need a second person, it is very safe and usable for other tasks also.

Gerhard
Sharki #80

Re: : [Amel Yacht Owners] Spare Parts list /

Olaf Bauer MIA-AMARA at Yahoo <olaf_renos@...>
 

Hello Eric,

 

You’re right and thanks for the list.

 

I will sail back to Cape Verde next year. Then West Afrika, Brazil, Argentinian and probably South Africa. So, I guess I need a little bit more than usually 😉

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: 05 April 2018 01:44
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: : [Amel Yacht Owners] Spare Parts list /

 

 

 

Hi Olaf,

The spares you have on board  depend how much offshore sailing you will be doing.

I sail about 80 % offshore.

I have Raymarine instruments so they might be different than what you need.

 

I have the following:

autopilot course computer

rudder reference transducer

fluxgate compass

wind instrument and mast anemometer

depth instrument

spare GPS system

spare VHF system and hand pieces.

2 vhf antennas mast mounted, I use one for the AIS but I can use a splitter if one goes out

2 autopilots one on the rudder stock and one behind the wheel

3 multi instruments that read all the boats instruments a remote hand held autopilot controller that I can plug in if needed which also displays all the boats data a second autopilot control head mounted at the nav station.

 

That are the spares for mounted electronics that I recall.

 

With respect to boat spares. I have every motor and pump used on the boat except for the bow thruster Motor. I keep that spare as well as a complete bow thruster at home.

 

I have every part for both the genset and engine, all hoses, gaskets, and senders on board.

Fan belts, spare of all 3 alternators, starter motors etc etc.

Basically if it can be changed by me I have it.

I also have a large inventory of fasteners, switches, plumbing components, hoses, rudder nut and packing, Wire, stove spares, refrigeration spares, and too many more  things to mention.

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 6:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spare Parts list / outside bulbs for SM2K

 

 

 

Hello SM2K owners,

 

As some of you already knows I bought some weeks ago a SM2K.

 

Now I would like to know the required spare parts. Would you pls share your spare parts list with me to get a feeling what parts are required.

 

I also would like to know which bulbs () are installed/used outside (Watt, Size etc.), e.g. for the navigation light, anchor lights, deck light etc. Does anyone of you have list of all the bulbs?

 

Thanks so much in advance

 

Olaf

S/V Sayonara II, SM2K 392

currently in Martinique

 

For Sale, Super Maramu # 180

tango708@...
 

Hello Group,
Rebecca and I have decided to sell our SM, Anni Bea True.  She is an exceptionally well cared for vessel my myself and previous owners.  She has been re-powered with a Yanmar 110 hp turbo diesel and the rigging was replaced in 2016.  She is currently in Martinique and available for viewing.  I will be happy to send information out to interested parties.  I can be reached at 206.841.9556 or at wtstout at mac dot com.