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Re: Extra halyard???

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Hi all,
I have also on my SM an extra halyard from the lower spreaders with a block. As mentioned from another owner, on this halyard you can put up a storm gjb sail if you have one. Till now I haven't mounted it, but I will this season. Does have anybody made experiences with the storm gjb with this fixation method?

Thanks for any reply.

Fair winds.
Philipp Sollberger,
Félicie, SM #124
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Extra halyard???

Ian Townsend
 

We have that halyard also. In addition to potentially lifting the dinghy (though there are other halyards that can be used for this purpose), I was thinking it was to raise the storm staysail. If not, then perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what would raise it. It certainly would not go to the masthead.

Ian Townsend
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
George Town, Exuma, Bahamas. 

On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:51 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I have an odd halyard that goes up to the first spreader.  The previous owner had looped some heavy line around the lower spreaders and hung a block from it which has a halyard in it.


I don't know the reason for it.  #477 came stock with a 3rd main mast halyard (top of mast) for the gennaker (original equipment, it's in the Amel book).  The third main mast halyard would be fine for raising a dinghy so why the odd additional halyard at the spreader?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Extra halyard???

amelforme
 

Hi Duane. The previous owner thought it was standard equipment and was surprised when I asked him why it was there. He was the second owner and when I went to Amel to find out what it was for, they said they didn’t know or care, they just put it there at the original owners request.

 

Enigmatic.

 

All The best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 10:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Extra halyard???

 

 

Duane, It sounds like you're describing the topping lift for the downwind poles, although it's hard to picture the "line around the lower spreaders" in your description. Do you have/use a ballooner?  Craig



---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I have an odd halyard that goes up to the first spreader.  The previous owner had looped some heavy line around the lower spreaders and hung a block from it which has a halyard in it.

 

I don't know the reason for it.  #477 came stock with a 3rd main mast halyard (top of mast) for the gennaker (original equipment, it's in the Amel book).  The third main mast halyard would be fine for raising a dinghy so why the odd additional halyard at the spreader?

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

smiles bernard
 

thanks Christian
thats really very helpful
I think if i can afford it its is the way to go!
thanks for the tips too - very useful based on your experience
Many thanks and fair winds
M

On Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:53:01 AM GMT, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

good day
some return on my experience

Gel coat renewal on my 1982 Maramu, done in 2017 in South of France by 2 independant contractors (one sanding & polishing, one preparation & application)
cost 6200 Euros (1800 products - 4400 labour - shared between 2 indépendants)
duration 6 weeks (loads of downtime due to Wind carrying dust & particles, humidity when applying products
3 layers - 2 hand application, 1 finishing with air gun
sanding to smooth surface between each
sanding & polishing in the end.
advantage : mechanical protection & looks new
improvement : work done in the open; needs to be Under shelter - building enclosure using water hoses as frame & vinyl tarp adds up 800 Euros, but gains in time spent on hard.

offer by painter using Epiphane medieum quality paint ran at 5800 Euros 
work done in workshop (meant removing masts - extra cost)

did not check for vinyl; guess it works on new gel coat; doubts on how it sticks on hull with low % of humidity builtt in over tim sailing the high seas ...

fair winds
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin



Le ‎jeudi‎ ‎1‎ ‎mars‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎25‎:‎24‎ ‎-04, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Many thanks Oliver and James

Alex that sounds like quite a project !


I’ve never seen a re gelcoat job before. 

My 1985 maramu has been painted above the waterline and is in need of a refurb at some point. 
I had assumed it’d be a vinyl wrap?? or most likely awlgrip

I’d be interested in the process you are using and if you think its significantly more costly than the paint job alternative. 

Appreciate that the answer depends on how much is done by others vs diy. 

All the best
Miles


On 1 Mar 2018, at 20:02, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks James I found it.
Re: Extra halyard???

Duane Siegfri
 

Craig,

I should post a photo.  It's not the topping lifts for the poles, it's another halyard.  I'm thinking someone added it to hoist their dinghy onto the foredeck, although why you wouldn't just use one of the other halyards is a question.

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furler

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat,

I did heat it in an oven, and it then came out very easily.  I pried / scraped somewhat gently from the hole in the body for the winch socket and it took very little to get it out.  It needs to be as hot as your oven will go though.

Duane
Re: Extra halyard???

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Duane, It sounds like you're describing the topping lift for the downwind poles, although it's hard to picture the "line around the lower spreaders" in your description. Do you have/use a ballooner?  Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I have an odd halyard that goes up to the first spreader.  The previous owner had looped some heavy line around the lower spreaders and hung a block from it which has a halyard in it.


I don't know the reason for it.  #477 came stock with a 3rd main mast halyard (top of mast) for the gennaker (original equipment, it's in the Amel book).  The third main mast halyard would be fine for raising a dinghy so why the odd additional halyard at the spreader?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: Zeus 3 and Tablet

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 


Duane - Yes, it's the Go-Free App, which you can download from Google Play Store. Good for all platforms, Nothing needed on the B&G side. All covered in the manual. - Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

Craig,

Thanks for the reply.  Is there software that needs to be downloaded to run the nav software on the PC/Tablet/etc. ?

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furler

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane , Good idea , that will help others . I think you heated up the case in a oven to get the race out, but it seems like it would be hard to pry it out with a screwdriver and I may leave it in. Any trick to prying it out . Just occurred to me , I could drill two small holes in the case and drive the race out with a nail or small punch, then seal the holes. ??
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 9:53 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furler

 
Pat,

Great information!  Thanks for posting it, I made a jpg out of your post and posted it with the photos of the manual winch.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furler

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, A SM #123 , I don't think they changed the furler over the years.
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 12:05 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furler

 
Hi Pat ,
What boat do you have?
Fair Winds
Eric
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject:< /b> [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furler
 
 
For some time in heavy air while furling the main , the motor did not seem strong enough. I now believe it may have been that the furler had a bearing that was near seizing . Last fall the main would not roll out , assuming it was the motor , I used a winch handle  and the it would not budge , eventually I broke it free and sailed on. At the end of the season I dismantled the gearbox and found the tapered bearing was completely seized. So if you think your furler is a littlle slow/weak , you may want to have a look inside. Duane posted some pics that were helpful . It took me longer to find the seals than the bearings, so I thought I would post the bearing and seal info and sources.
Bearings: Source , Motion Industries - Tapered bearing item # 32009xm -90kmi   , Bore 45mm, OD. 75mm, Width 20mm , Manufacturer Timken
Ball Bearing , item # 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm, Width 12mm  Manufacturer Fafnir 
Oil Seals : Source , Metric Seals Inc. 45mmX60mmX7mm    25mmX33mm X6mm  
You will need one each of bearings and seals
Pat
SM Shenanigans
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furler

Patrick McAneny
 

Duane, Probably more than realized. Your pics were very helpful, however I was at a small local airport where a friend has a machine shop. I forgot about the pin hidden under the bearing and my friend assumed it had a key . Applying great pressure the pin broke and damaged the gear and shaft. He is a very good machinist and is repairing the damage. So everyone , take off the tapered bearing and remove the pin first.
Thanks Again,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 6:03 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Sail Furler

 
Thanks Pat.  There's a lot of boats that will be needing that info.

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Upgrade Program

Barry Connor
 

Dear Mark and Debbie,

I would be interested in upgrading both my furlers. Would you put me on the list if their is one or do I contact Bama USA direct. I serviced my units a year ago and still have spare belts. I would be happy to order now to get a good price and install later.
I assume that they would provide a complete package for the change over.

We are in Sicily this year but plan to cross maybe next year. We can pick up in US if needed.
Please advise

Barry and Penny Connor
Amel 54. #17
Marina di Ragusa. Sicily


On Friday, March 2, 2018 6:29 AM, "'Teun BAAS' teunbaas@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi Bill,
 
Thanks for this recommendation – will consider.
 
Best regards
 
Teun BAAS
AMELIT A54 128
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Upgrade Program
 
 
Mark,
 
I think that this is a good deal and I would urge any 54 owner who has not upgraded his Bamar furlers from the original belt-driven model to the new gear-driven model to take advantage of this offer.
 
Best,
 
CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
 
 
On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
I talked with Paul at Bamar USA Friday.  Paul forwarded the letter below, I told him I would send it out to all interested parties on the A O G.  With the interest generated from the Amel Owners Group plus a few other contacts he has made he believes he can very shortly place an order with Bamar for at least five units which will then put us in an advantageous pricing position.  Paul did say that he represents Bamar in North America and the northern Caribbean, please check with Paul if you are outside of his territorial sales area to determine how this program can be beneficial for you.  In areas where Bamar does not have representation he can extend this program directly to you.
 
Together our buying power will allow us receive significant discounts on these items.  Possibly not as good as the original program but still significant savings.  Please contact Paul or one of the Bamar dealers if you are ready to pursue this.  I have committed to Paul to purchase and I will be contacting a dealer Monday.
If I forgotten to anyone that you know has expressed interest please forward this to them.
 
 
Best regards,
 
Mark & Debbie Mueller
s/v Brass Ring   A54
currently Fort Lauderdale
Letter from Paul below:

If we can get organized where we can place orders for at least 5 EJF1 furling motorizations, then we can get the prices down very low.

BAMAR USA PROMOTIONAL OFFER TO AMEL 54 OWNERS – UPGRADE YOUR FORESAIL FURLERS TO EJF1’S
You will be purchasing from one of our major Bamar Dealers such as Nance & Underwood Rigging and Sails  in Ft . Lauderdale or Mack Sails, in Stuart FL, or Island Rigging & Hydraulics in St Thomas USVI are some examples.
These dealers are very experienced with the EJF 1 installations and they have riggers that will travel anywhere, and they can ship anywhere.
The special pricing that is available will look something like:
EJF1 24V Motorization retail $12,500.00  your price approx.  $7000.00
Various rigging fittings, tack socket, toggles, clevis pin, boxtron control box if needed retail $2800.00  your price approx.  $1715.00
Complete package, per motorization, your cost $8715.00, shipping not included. Installation not included.
The rigging details we would need from the Amel boats:
The type and size of furling foil (pictures), the forestay wire diameter, bottom clevis pin diameter, toggle orientation on deck (picture please), and the type of Boxtron control box existing onboard (picture)
Please let me know how I can help you organize your order and connect you with a Bamar dealer.
Thank you, and
Best regards,
Paul Hrabowsky

President
Bamar USA
604-728-7445
www.bamarusa.com
 


 
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: OLDER MARAMU RUDDER REMOVAL

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

good day
some return on my experience

Gel coat renewal on my 1982 Maramu, done in 2017 in South of France by 2 independant contractors (one sanding & polishing, one preparation & application)
cost 6200 Euros (1800 products - 4400 labour - shared between 2 indépendants)
duration 6 weeks (loads of downtime due to Wind carrying dust & particles, humidity when applying products
3 layers - 2 hand application, 1 finishing with air gun
sanding to smooth surface between each
sanding & polishing in the end.
advantage : mechanical protection & looks new
improvement : work done in the open; needs to be Under shelter - building enclosure using water hoses as frame & vinyl tarp adds up 800 Euros, but gains in time spent on hard.

offer by painter using Epiphane medieum quality paint ran at 5800 Euros 
work done in workshop (meant removing masts - extra cost)

did not check for vinyl; guess it works on new gel coat; doubts on how it sticks on hull with low % of humidity builtt in over tim sailing the high seas ...

fair winds
christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin



Le ‎jeudi‎ ‎1‎ ‎mars‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎25‎:‎24‎ ‎-04, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Many thanks Oliver and James

Alex that sounds like quite a project !


I’ve never seen a re gelcoat job before. 

My 1985 maramu has been painted above the waterline and is in need of a refurb at some point. 
I had assumed it’d be a vinyl wrap?? or most likely awlgrip

I’d be interested in the process you are using and if you think its significantly more costly than the paint job alternative. 

Appreciate that the answer depends on how much is done by others vs diy. 

All the best
Miles


On 1 Mar 2018, at 20:02, alex.paquin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks James I found it.
tb/AMEL SCHOOL/

Teun BAAS <teunbaas@...>
 

After retaining Bill ROUSE first for the pre-purchase consulting he has now been on board, here in NOUMEA, NEW CALEDONIA, for 1 week AMEL school A54 training.

This has been an incredible experience – so informative that I added 5 more days; he will now leave Wednesday March 7, 2018.

His training, combined with his knowledge and his AMEL book have taught me many things I was NOT aware off and will give me more confidence to sail the A54 anywhere.

 

Highly recommended.

 

You can contact Bill at: bill”at”amelschool.com.

www.amelschool.com

 

Best Regards

 

Teun BAAS

AMELIT A54 128

 

 

 

 

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Upgrade Program

Teun BAAS <teunbaas@...>
 

Hi Bill,

 

Thanks for this recommendation – will consider.

 

Best regards

 

Teun BAAS

AMELIT A54 128

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:58 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar Upgrade Program

 

 

Mark,

 

I think that this is a good deal and I would urge any 54 owner who has not upgraded his Bamar furlers from the original belt-driven model to the new gear-driven model to take advantage of this offer.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:22 PM, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I talked with Paul at Bamar USA Friday.  Paul forwarded the letter below, I told him I would send it out to all interested parties on the A O G.  With the interest generated from the Amel Owners Group plus a few other contacts he has made he believes he can very shortly place an order with Bamar for at least five units which will then put us in an advantageous pricing position.  Paul did say that he represents Bamar in North America and the northern Caribbean, please check with Paul if you are outside of his territorial sales area to determine how this program can be beneficial for you.  In areas where Bamar does not have representation he can extend this program directly to you.

 

Together our buying power will allow us receive significant discounts on these items.  Possibly not as good as the original program but still significant savings.  Please contact Paul or one of the Bamar dealers if you are ready to pursue this.  I have committed to Paul to purchase and I will be contacting a dealer Monday.

If I forgotten to anyone that you know has expressed interest please forward this to them.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Mark & Debbie Mueller
s/v Brass Ring   A54
currently Fort Lauderdale

Letter from Paul below:


If we can get organized where we can place orders for at least 5 EJF1 furling motorizations, then we can get the prices down very low.

BAMAR USA PROMOTIONAL OFFER TO AMEL 54 OWNERS – UPGRADE YOUR FORESAIL FURLERS TO EJF1’S

You will be purchasing from one of our major Bamar Dealers such as Nance & Underwood Rigging and Sails  in Ft . Lauderdale or Mack Sails, in Stuart FL, or Island Rigging & Hydraulics in St Thomas USVI are some examples.

These dealers are very experienced with the EJF 1 installations and they have riggers that will travel anywhere, and they can ship anywhere.

The special pricing that is available will look something like:

EJF1 24V Motorization retail $12,500.00  your price approx.  $7000.00

Various rigging fittings, tack socket, toggles, clevis pin, boxtron control box if needed retail $2800.00  your price approx.  $1715.00

Complete package, per motorization, your cost $8715.00, shipping not included. Installation not included.

The rigging details we would need from the Amel boats:

The type and size of furling foil (pictures), the forestay wire diameter, bottom clevis pin diameter, toggle orientation on deck (picture please), and the type of Boxtron control box existing onboard (picture)

Please let me know how I can help you organize your order and connect you with a Bamar dealer.

Thank you, and

Best regards,

Paul Hrabowsky


President
Bamar USA
604-728-7445
www.bamarusa.com

 



 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: [Amel] Amel 54 Heating

eric freedman
 

Peter,

On my 53 Kimberlite we had a fresh air system that took fresh air from the cockpit and blew it into the aft cabin, the main cabin , and the forward cabin.

 

It was relatively easy to install an espar heater into this system.

If you do not have a fresh air system , adding the ductwork, I believe , would be a nightmare.

 

I bought my espar from a company in England  on eBay. It was a complete heater including the installation kit.

I see it on eBay now for $2360- US

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Eberspacher-Espar-Airtronic-D5-12v-5-5kW-Diesel-Night-Truck-Boat-Air-Heater-Kit/261359134974?hash=item3cda37e8fe:g:vxwAAMXQVERStvZS&vxp=mtr

You just have to order the 24 volt unit- same price.

 

 

They are very helpful  and deliver the unit so quickly it is amazing.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 5:27 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: [Amel] Amel 54 Heating

 

 

Bill,

 

Amel just told me €12,000 and that only if we have “ provision for heating ducts in place.i have no idea whether we have those provisions or not. Sadly I suspect not - so it could be even more.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

00447836 209730


On 1 Mar 2018, at 20:28, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Peter,

 

Be careful in comparison of Amels that aren't exactly  as your 54. And, it may be best to  check with Amel. It would be much more pleasant to sail back to the tropics😀😀😀.

 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Mar 2, 2018 01:32, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Does anyone have a price estimate for retrofitting a heater system on an Amel 54?

 

 

Peter Forbes

0044 7836 209730

Carango  Sailing Ketch

Amel 54 #035

In Marigot Bay 

St Lucia

 

On 3 Sep 2013, at 13:24, Tony Robinson <tonywrobinson51@...> wrote:

 



Has anyone retrofitted a diesel heating system to an Amel 54 ? I was wondering if it is possible, and how expensive it might be.

Tony Robinson

Catriona R Amel 54 #102

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furler

eric freedman
 

Hi Pat ,

What boat do you have?

Fair Winds

Eric

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main Sail Furler

 

 

For some time in heavy air while furling the main , the motor did not seem strong enough. I now believe it may have been that the furler had a bearing that was near seizing . Last fall the main would not roll out , assuming it was the motor , I used a winch handle  and the it would not budge , eventually I broke it free and sailed on. At the end of the season I dismantled the gearbox and found the tapered bearing was completely seized. So if you think your furler is a littlle slow/weak , you may want to have a look inside. Duane posted some pics that were helpful . It took me longer to find the seals than the bearings, so I thought I would post the bearing and seal info and sources.

Bearings: Source , Motion Industries - Tapered bearing item # 32009xm-90kmi   , Bore 45mm, OD. 75mm, Width 20mm , Manufacturer Timken

Ball Bearing , item # 9105k Bore 25mm, OD. 47mm, Width 12mm  Manufacturer Fafnir 

Oil Seals : Source , Metric Seals Inc. 45mmX60mmX7mm    25mmX33mm X6mm  

You will need one each of bearings and seals

Pat

SM Shenanigans
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Berth conversion

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Oh, that is funny ‘target of opportunity’ is right! First hand knowledge. Sorry keep it technical.
Re: Main Sail Furler

Duane Siegfri
 

Pat,

Great information!  Thanks for posting it, I made a jpg out of your post and posted it with the photos of the manual winch.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477
Extra halyard???

Duane Siegfri
 

I have an odd halyard that goes up to the first spreader.  The previous owner had looped some heavy line around the lower spreaders and hung a block from it which has a halyard in it.


I don't know the reason for it.  #477 came stock with a 3rd main mast halyard (top of mast) for the gennaker (original equipment, it's in the Amel book).  The third main mast halyard would be fine for raising a dinghy so why the odd additional halyard at the spreader?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477