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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pole height at shroud?

greatketch@...
 


Steve,

We are away from our boat at the moment, so I can not measure, but it is obvious that the two sides should be the same.  

I would say having them NOT match means they were done by eye instead of by matching the original measurement.  That's kind of sloppy work, unless--they were not tightened enough and one or the other slipped up or down the shrouds?

Our inboard jockey poles do angle downward a bit.  Not quite sure I understand the reason, but they do match the angle on the mast fittings pretty closely.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <steve_morrison@...> wrote :






On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all. I recently had Nance and Underwood install new standing rigging here in Florida and noticed that the height of the pole support on the shrouds varied noticeably. I was also on another Amel this morning that also had a new rig from Nance and Underwood and his brackets varied more than mine one side to the other, and were both several inches lower than either of mine.

I had assumed that the inner pole wants to be set perpendicular to the mast and that when set, the outer pole wants to maintain that same line perpendicular to the water(when the boat is level), however I am noticing that the receiving fitting on the mast is welded with an obvious downward cant suggesting perhaps that maybe the pole should dip outboard (alternatively, it could be welded that way so that water doesn’t collect in the welded cup).

My question is whether anyone knows a proper height above deck for the support arm mounted on the shrouds? I have photos of mine as measured from the outboard edge of the decking to the underside of the mounting bracket with a port side height of 77” and a starboard height of 79.25”..

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance

greatketch@...
 

Porter,

We have been with Pantaenius America for 3 years, and did see a jump this year of about 20%.  Our premium cost per insured dollar value is almost identical to what you were quoted.  The big change this year was that they no longer covered ANY sailing in the Caribbean (south of 31N) from July 1 to Oct 31.  They would only cover a boat on the hard, strapped down in a keel pit, and that at double the premium.

We asked if there was a corner of the southwestern Caribbean where they would cover during storm season, and their answer was simple: "No."

One big change in the overall insurance market for midrange yachts like ours, is the number of companies writing policies is greatly reduced from last year.  The good news is that these should be the best managed and most carefully run companies, the bad news is that the reduced competition will not be good for rates in the future.

I can only imagine the insurance cost increase that the large charter companies are seeing for the fleets they keep in the Caribbean hurricane belt year round!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <portermcroberts@...> wrote :

This is really great information Thank you!: 
Especially since Jack Martin can only come up with one quote for our boat starting April: Pantaenius America.  Its 10k  we were paying 6k with Falvey which is not writing yachts anymore.
Thats a big jump as i was told it would go down after our first year of ownership.  

Are others seeing the same situation?

Our specs: 520k and sailing Caribbean and south of the 12 by July.

Always appreciated.

Porter
  
Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
St. Thomas AYH Red Hook
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...




Re: Anchor Locker

greatketch@...
 

Gerhard,

This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF

Warren Traill
 

Hi Duane. We had a similar problem and in the end it was the wire connection to the speaker. So we were transmitting but didn’t realise it because we heard no reply.

The simple solution in our case was to plug in a remote speaker with a volume control.

Regards,

Warren

Manon2

Sharki #15

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 20 February 2018 6:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF

 

 

Our VHF has a history of not working for completely inexplicable reasons.  It will receive but will not send, even at very close ranges.  It will work for a time and then not work for a timeHi Duane. We had similar problems.  Thank goodness I bought a handheld for a backup.



It doesn't seem like it could be the antenna.  We listened to the USCG Charleston SC when we were at the FL/GA border, almost two hundred miles away (they must have a very tall antenna)

 

I'm planning on replacing it (after all, it's 12 years old), but thought I would see if there was a simple repair answer.

 

If you replaced it, what did you pick? 

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

hanspeter baettig
 

Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny
I don't like that you use this forum as an add and marketing platform. Insurance are different by countries. 
Mr. Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My question ? who is paying the avocate ?
Looking forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange platform 
PS: there are lots of other social platforms to share individuels needs.
kr
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
SM16; Las Palmas


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will) However we have confidence in our broker.

Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an email from my new broker sent after he read some of the posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi all,

I’ve been reading some of the comments posted by many of you about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies and they have worked for us and our clients as they should, many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in fact.

What you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims process goes as it should – in addition t o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a good one anyway!

There are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.  Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written on.

Sincere regards,

Neil Bailey

Director

Bailey Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 60;

 

Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because, firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value" policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 
New Zealand


On 16 February 2018 at 06:42 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre, Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their responsibly . I will guarantee that the vast majority of boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story to a wider audience. 

Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye

 
Hello Pat,

I totally agree with you Danny.

This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you are covered, but you are not.

I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask for mine).

I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we have a way to make things better.

Example on my insurance policy it says in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is: bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy, etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat. As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues. That is why they say “anything” even if not listed...
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders, dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.

I really implore Rafael to tell his story…

Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now simply has liability.

Alexandre

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On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM


 









The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value ,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to the
entire boating community through the internet and sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to relate
their story , if  it results in lost business maybe they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose a
dream .
Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye








 













Good morning Danny,





I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as, it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting more
than the market value).


That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens es were higher than the
average, etc...


So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with all
the details.


We have been working since November on this.





So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.





Sincerely, Alexandre





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On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye


To: amely achtowners@...


Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM








 
































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now


have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that


would help in the case of a write off.DannySM


299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19


"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...


[amelyachtowners]"


<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





  Dear Rafael,








I think you need to tell


the Group “your” story about the insu rance.





We have the same insurance


Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think


every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they


used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.





It is not “my” place to


tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will


write mine with all the details when it will be settled.






I am definitely sorry that


your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did


not had the joy of sailing her.





Sincerely, Alexandre








--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie


<no_reply@...>
wrote:





Subject: [Am el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying


goodbye


To:


amelyachtowners@...


Date:


Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM








 





























Dear


friends AMEL ownersProbably this


will be


the last email that I send and I will withdraw from


the group. The reason is that Hurricane


Irma


destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be


impossible for me to


recover it.The


insurance will only pay a fraction of


what


it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and


other reasons.This situation not only


destroyed my< br>

ship but my dreams. My dreams


of living on board with my


wife, my dreams


of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my





dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other


seas


and finally returning to the beautiful


South of


Chile.


In this


group I gained friends


and knowledge and


for that, I thank each and every one of





you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning


helped me with their advice.





If


you sail to Chile you will have a


friend


here.Greetings to





all


Fair


windsRafaelSM2k


246











 
< /div>

 


 

 


 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu dimensions for dinghy storage

David Wallace
 

Miles,

If no one provides it soon, I can get you the measurement when we get back aboard Air Ops in about two weeks.  In the meantime I can tell you that we have stored our Aquapro 10’ inflatable dinghy (inflated) there but I can’t remember how much clearance, if any, we had for the windlass. Well, that’s kind of a worthless answer and I hope you get a real one. In the meantime, one thing to consider is that it does cut down on forward visibility. For that reason we now store in on the aft coachroof if conditions prohibit carrying it on the davits.

Best regards,

Dave Wallace
Maramu #104
Sea of Cortez, Mx

On Feb 19, 2018, at 12:00 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hello fellow Maramilians !

I’m in the process of building a 10ft grp dinghy. Sailing rowing and motor is the plan

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It’s for the kids really but I’m hoping we can use it almost exclusively as the boat tender.

It’s a lovely thing but will need to be chopped in half once I have plucked up the courage 😐

But I’m away from our maramu. She’s in the canaries and we are in the uk working /school etc and getting ready for an extended cruise in the summer.

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how much space there is between the main mast and the windlass?

I think it’s 2.3m but would love to hear if that’s the case or I made it up as I can’t find my measurement notes.

The dinghy design is a copy of an old Falmouth punt so it won’t nest perfectly so I’m planning to just chop off the minimum so the remaining aft section fits between main mast and windlass. With luck the remaining fwd section will stow inside the aft section or failing that under the mizzen boom !

Hopefully she will sail like a witch and make up for the hassle of putting her together each time. We will see. We have Davits for night time hoisting in harbour if needed but won’t sail with her on the davits

If you are interested she’s going to be super light layup although I’m going to have to add bulkheads and seats etc and a spot of hull stiffening but so far 15kg for the hull alone.
If we can keep her <35kg I’ll be happy
I’ll send a few pics once shes complete if anyone is interested
First build for me and really enjoying it

Any help with the measurements much appreciated !


Fair winds

Miles





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Porter;
 
Our agent based out of Florida has provided us with a more competitive option than you have received through Lloyds of London. If you are interested, please send me a private e-mail and I will provide you his information. Our coverage is for the Med. I'm not sure how they compare in the Caribbean.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 6:51 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance

This is really great information Thank you!: 
Especially since Jack Martin can only come up with one quote for our boat starting April: Pantaenius America.  Its 10k  we were paying 6k with Falvey which is not writing yachts anymore.
Thats a big jump as i was told it would go down after our first year of ownership.  

Are others seeing the same situation?

Our specs: 520k and sailing Caribbean and south of the 12 by July.

Always appreciated.

Porter
  
Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
St. Thomas AYH Red Hook
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:17 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Craig,
Scott was very diplomatic in the conversation. 
I'll try to summarize as best as possible.
Pantaenious does not specifically address the issue of solo sailing. That said, all insurance coverages expect that the vessel covered has all necessary equipment aboard for a safe passage, and during passage, posts persons for regular watches.
The issue is what happens IF an incident occurs? Will Pantaenious walk away if the vessel was piloted solo? 
Marine law is very different then "terrestrial law." I know first hand. I lost F/V Elizabeth J when she was T-boned while scalloping in deep fog south of LI by a 52' Sportfisherman traveling at 25kts. The Sporty never even slowed down. Sounds pretty cut and dry right? Guess again.
So, back to the question.
An incident occurs while solo sailing, and damages, and/or injuries are involved, Pantaenious has never walked away from protective coverage due to the vessel being piloted solo.
Now, does that mean they won't do it in the future? Read the last sentence.
Now, if a person is sailing solo and is unfamiliar with the offshore experience, in unfamiliar territory, as compared with a seasoned offshore person, there are obviously different circumstances involved with every incident.
Now, go back to the statement.......Pantaenious has never walked away from coverage in an incident due to solo sailing. 
Does this mean that they cover a person who is solo sailing? 
My take was/is this. Sail at your own risk. Solo only if you MUST. I spend a lot of time offshore between F/V Alisha J and S/V Spirit. I'll solo Spirit when I have no alternative. I felt/feel comfortable that Pantaenious would provide legal coverage if an incident occurred. If a person wasn't comfortable offshore alone, I wouldn't encourage them to solo any vessel for a passage other then one of short duration, ie, a daysail.
But, and this is important, Pantaenious doesn't, and won't, imply coverage will be there. 
I hope this is helpful Craig.
Best Regards to all,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14




On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 08:34 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff,

You left us "hanging" - what did Scott Stusek say about you being covered single handed?

I, too, have Pantaenius (America) and they are great (albeit, no claims). One nuance for anyone who may transport their boat is that the policy is totally clear that it does not cover that and you'll need separate insurance during the transport. The transport company made a point of that also and offered an "all-risk" policy for $300.  What they don't tell you is that when your boat is being transported it is considered "marine cargo", not a "yacht", and if there is damage you will only get the depreciated value (plus installation cost). Caveat emptor.

Cheers, Craig 


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Amelians,
Just a note on insurance from my perspective.
After arriving back in Puerto Real, Puerto Rico after sailing my escape before Maria's arrival, there were a great number of destroyed boats. I spent days with my dinghy helping salvage equipment and personal items with various boat owners.
My Norwegian friend had his S/V Strega holed and awash on the beach. We spent days and countless trips back and forth removing everything aboard. They managed to refloat her, and bring her back to the marina. 
Using my sat phone email connection (ocens software) he made contact with Pantaneous (Europe). They had a group of adjusters in Puerto Rico within weeks (I think it was 2 weeks), and he was one of the first to be contacted. His boat was valued at 60K. He received a check for 64K. They paid him 4K extra for the salvage of the boat. He is allowed to keep the boat as it was declared a wreck. You should see the pictures of it awash. An owners worst nightmare. He had the boat hole reepaired and gel coated the repair. His intention is to keep it. I will join him aboard for a Regatta within a couple months, and Strega is currently sailing.
I also had a lengthy discussion with Scott Stusek of Pantaenious America (they cover Spirit). He explained a number of issues I had clearly and without beating around the bush. Our discussion regarding solo sailing was quite enlightening. I had done a 80 hr solo trip to avoid Maria, and wanted to know the stand Pantaenious would have taken in the event of a collision or other event aboard during that trip.
I feel very comfortable with Pantaenious coverage..
Best Regards to All!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

Jeff Spirit A



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 04:47 AM, simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Miles, thanks for this. However I am fortunate not to be one of the major or total loss incidents. We had a surge from a nearby lightning strike.. We were not hit but lost a lot of electronics from the surge. The insurers turned themselves inside out to make life as difficult as possible for us.. In the end we got everything replaced with new equipment the same as we had. All good but cost us a lot. It was several years ago and all systems have worked fine ever since. I have talked it over with our new broker
Regards
Danny

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 17 Feb 2018 11:38, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Danny,


 

I have been following your sad story and I feel very badly for you.  It is of no value to you, but, on behalf of others,  I want to put in some comments following Eric’s post about Pantaenius insurance.  I had Pantaenius for 8 years in Europe after 6 months with Lloyds.  Pantaenius was about one-third the cost for better coverage.  I didn’t have any claims, but a friend had his boat almost destroyed on the hard by a hurricane in Granada.  He said that Pantaenius adjusters were the first on the scene.  His boat had a repair estimate (shipping back to France) about the same as the agreed value.  He chose to repair and still has the boat.   Pantaenius  Europe does not insure American owned boats in US waters (they don’t like trial lawyers) so I had to give it up when I came back. 

Now, Pantaenius has a US company affiliate (subsidiary?) and I again have their insurance.  I have an agreed upon value policy that appears to be exactly what they say it is.  There is no fine print.  We agreed upon the value after I had an appraiser go over my boat and list all of the things that I had added or replaced and the condition and we estimated a market value that Pantaenius accepted without question.   I did have a major claim a year ago after something big ran into my boat when it was on a mooring in Newport RI.  Pantaenius took care of their part without  difficulty for me and without any argument.  


 

Regards,


 

Miles  s/y Ladybug, sm216 in Port du Marin, Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Porter,

Insurance is something that changes like the wind.

You might try Velos Insurance UK. 
Insurance"at"velosgroup.co.uk

They'll be good for you, except not in US waters. They will allow US territorial waters of the Caribbean, and cover you most everywhere except the US.

Ask for Chris Bassett and tell him that Bill Rouse Ex-BeBe referred you.

I have sent you some more information directly.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance

Porter McRoberts
 

This is really great information Thank you!: 
Especially since Jack Martin can only come up with one quote for our boat starting April: Pantaenius America.  Its 10k  we were paying 6k with Falvey which is not writing yachts anymore.
Thats a big jump as i was told it would go down after our first year of ownership.  

Are others seeing the same situation?

Our specs: 520k and sailing Caribbean and south of the 12 by July.

Always appreciated.

Porter
  
Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
St. Thomas AYH Red Hook
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Feb 18, 2018, at 9:17 AM, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Craig,
Scott was very diplomatic in the conversation. 
I'll try to summarize as best as possible.
Pantaenious does not specifically address the issue of solo sailing. That said, all insurance coverages expect that the vessel covered has all necessary equipment aboard for a safe passage, and during passage, posts persons for regular watches.
The issue is what happens IF an incident occurs? Will Pantaenious walk away if the vessel was piloted solo? 
Marine law is very different then "terrestrial law." I know first hand. I lost F/V Elizabeth J when she was T-boned while scalloping in deep fog south of LI by a 52' Sportfisherman traveling at 25kts. The Sporty never even slowed down. Sounds pretty cut and dry right? Guess again.
So, back to the question.
An incident occurs while solo sailing, and damages, and/or injuries are involved, Pantaenious has never walked away from protective coverage due to the vessel being piloted solo.
Now, does that mean they won't do it in the future? Read the last sentence.
Now, if a person is sailing solo and is unfamiliar with the offshore experience, in unfamiliar territory, as compared with a seasoned offshore person, there are obviously different circumstances involved with every incident.
Now, go back to the statement......Pantaenious has never walked away from coverage in an incident due to solo sailing. 
Does this mean that they cover a person who is solo sailing? 
My take was/is this. Sail at your own risk. Solo only if you MUST. I spend a lot of time offshore between F/V Alisha J and S/V Spirit. I'll solo Spirit when I have no alternative. I felt/feel comfortable that Pantaenious would provide legal coverage if an incident occurred. If a person wasn't comfortable offshore alone, I wouldn't encourage them to solo any vessel for a passage other then one of short duration, ie, a daysail.
But, and this is important, Pantaenious doesn't, and won't, imply coverage will be there. 
I hope this is helpful Craig.
Best Regards to all,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14




On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 08:34 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Jeff,

You left us "hanging" - what did Scott Stusek say about you being covered single handed?

I, too, have Pantaenius (America) and they are great (albeit, no claims). One nuance for anyone who may transport their boat is that the policy is totally clear that it does not cover that and you'll need separate insurance during the transport. The transport company made a point of that also and offered an "all-risk" policy for $300.  What they don't tell you is that when your boat is being transported it is considered "marine cargo", not a "yacht", and if there is damage you will only get the depreciated value (plus installation cost). Caveat emptor.

Cheers, Craig 


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Amelians,
Just a note on insurance from my perspective.
After arriving back in Puerto Real, Puerto Rico after sailing my escape before Maria's arrival, there were a great number of destroyed boats. I spent days with my dinghy helping salvage equipment and personal items with various boat owners.
My Norwegian friend had his S/V Strega holed and awash on the beach. We spent days and countless trips back and forth removing everything aboard. They managed to refloat her, and bring her back to the marina. 
Using my sat phone email connection (ocens software) he made contact with Pantaneous (Europe). They had a group of adjusters in Puerto Rico within weeks (I think it was 2 weeks), and he was one of the first to be contacted. His boat was valued at 60K. He received a check for 64K. They paid him 4K extra for the salvage of the boat. He is allowed to keep the boat as it was declared a wreck. You should see the pictures of it awash. An owners worst nightmare. He had the boat hole reepaired and gel coated the repair. His intention is to keep it. I will join him aboard for a Regatta within a couple months, and Strega is currently sailing.
I also had a lengthy discussion with Scott Stusek of Pantaenious America (they cover Spirit). He explained a number of issues I had clearly and without beating around the bush. Our discussion regarding solo sailing was quite enlightening. I had done a 80 hr solo trip to avoid Maria, and wanted to know the stand Pantaenious would have taken in the event of a collision or other event aboard during that trip.
I feel very comfortable with Pantaenious coverage.
Best Regards to All!

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

Jeff Spirit A



On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 04:47 AM, simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Miles, thanks for this. However I am fortunate not to be one of the major or total loss incidents. We had a surge from a nearby lightning strike. We were not hit but lost a lot of electronics from the surge. The insurers turned themselves inside out to make life as difficult as possible for us. In the end we got everything replaced with new equipment the same as we had. All good but cost us a lot. It was several years ago and all systems have worked fine ever since. I have talked it over with our new broker
Regards
Danny

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 17 Feb 2018 11:38, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Danny,

 

I have been following your sad story and I feel very badly for you.  It is of no value to you, but, on behalf of others,  I want to put in some comments following Eric’s post about Pantaenius insurance.  I had Pantaenius for 8 years in Europe after 6 months with Lloyds.  Pantaenius was about one-third the cost for better coverage.  I didn’t have any claims, but a friend had his boat almost destroyed on the hard by a hurricane in Granada.  He said that Pantaenius adjusters were the first on the scene.  His boat had a repair estimate (shipping back to France) about the same as the agreed value.  He chose to repair and still has the boat.   Pantaenius  Europe does not insure American owned boats in US waters (they don’t like trial lawyers) so I had to give it up when I came back. 

Now, Pantaenius has a US company affiliate (subsidiary?) and I again have their insurance.  I have an agreed upon value policy that appears to be exactly what they say it is.  There is no fine print.  We agreed upon the value after I had an appraiser go over my boat and list all of the things that I had added or replaced and the condition and we estimated a market value that Pantaenius accepted without question.   I did have a major claim a year ago after something big ran into my boat when it was on a mooring in Newport RI.  Pantaenius took care of their part without  difficulty for me and without any argument.  

 

Regards,

 

Miles  s/y Ladybug, sm216 in Port du Marin, Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line cutter Size

Alan Leslie
 

Yup it's "B" size on Elyse SM437....it has nothing to do with the Yanmar engine of course, its the diameter of the prop shaft from the C-drive that determines it's size. Most 54's don't have Yanmar engines but have the same C-drive and hence the same Spurs cutter.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Greenland Calling

Hans Rowedder
 

We are hopefully ’owners to be’ :) Living in Greenland saving for the Super Maramu has a big disadvantage. It is quite difficult to go ‘boat-shopping’ from the arctic! We have planned an Easter trip to Denmark to see a Super Maramu in the Netherlands but unfortunately for us it has just been sold. And the broker shows no intention of communication contact information to the new owners. We have spent hours, days and nights researching for the perfect boat and we found it to be the Super Maramu. Now we only need to see one in real life to be convinced and start the real search for a buy. Is there anybody out there who will help us in this situation? Do you have a Super Maramu and will you allow us onboard to see the boat? Please let us know – we will arrive in Denmark on the 23. of march so it has to be the following dates. You might also consider sailing up here to one of the most beautiful Places in the World and we will assist you in any possible ways ;o)   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line cutter Size

eric freedman
 

Please have them look up Kimberlite,

They said it was a standard line cutter.

It is for the shaft that goes with the Yanmar Engine.

I am almost sure it is a “B” size

I have rebuilt it at least 8 times using the B line cutter parts and have had part of the

Rotating part replaced.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 1:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line cutter Size

 

 

We are in the process of purchasing a spare Spurs Cutter.  When we were in Turkey we had to pay (national distributor in Istanbul) about the same amount as an entire unit costs in the US.  

 

We have been doing some research on the diameter size (we are away from our boat in Malta).  Many Super Maramu's are reporting that they have used 1.5", we have also seen 38mm and 35mm in the group.  Spurs is able to look up orders by last name so I found a few that were 1.5" then had them look up Eric Freedman--they only use last name.  On his they show 38mm and Bryony told me that was an very unusual and custom size.  If produced and was wrong could not be returned.  38 mm is 1.49606" or 4/1000" larger than38mm.  She informed me that if there was a problem I could return it for exchange.

 

Anyone have THE definitive answer?

 

Bob and Suzanne 

KAIMI SM 429

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pole height at shroud?

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 






On Feb 19, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all. I recently had Nance and Underwood install new standing rigging here in Florida and noticed that the height of the pole support on the shrouds varied noticeably. I was also on another Amel this morning that also had a new rig from Nance and Underwood and his brackets varied more than mine one side to the other, and were both several inches lower than either of mine.

I had assumed that the inner pole wants to be set perpendicular to the mast and that when set, the outer pole wants to maintain that same line perpendicular to the water(when the boat is level), however I am noticing that the receiving fitting on the mast is welded with an obvious downward cant suggesting perhaps that maybe the pole should dip outboard (alternatively, it could be welded that way so that water doesn’t collect in the welded cup).

My question is whether anyone knows a proper height above deck for the support arm mounted on the shrouds? I have photos of mine as measured from the outboard edge of the decking to the underside of the mounting bracket with a port side height of 77” and a starboard height of 79.25”..

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale

Pole height at shroud?

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

Hello all. I recently had Nance and Underwood install new standing rigging here in Florida and noticed that the height of the pole support on the shrouds varied noticeably. I was also on another Amel this morning that also had a new rig from Nance and Underwood and his brackets varied more than mine one side to the other, and were both several inches lower than either of mine.

I had assumed that the inner pole wants to be set perpendicular to the mast and that when set, the outer pole wants to maintain that same line perpendicular to the water(when the boat is level), however I am noticing that the receiving fitting on the mast is welded with an obvious downward cant suggesting perhaps that maybe the pole should dip outboard (alternatively, it could be welded that way so that water doesn’t collect in the welded cup).

My question is whether anyone knows a proper height above deck for the support arm mounted on the shrouds? I have photos of mine as measured from the outboard edge of the decking to the underside of the mounting bracket with a port side height of 77” and a starboard height of 79.25”.

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Ft Lauderdale

Raymarine Ray240 VHF

Duane Siegfri
 

Our VHF has a history of not working for completely inexplicable reasons.  It will receive but will not send, even at very close ranges.  It will work for a time and then not work for a time.  Thank goodness I bought a handheld for a backup.


It doesn't seem like it could be the antenna.  We listened to the USCG Charleston SC when we were at the FL/GA border, almost two hundred miles away (they must have a very tall antenna)


I'm planning on replacing it (after all, it's 12 years old), but thought I would see if there was a simple repair answer.


If you replaced it, what did you pick? 


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Hydra 2000 "Cal" Flashing

Duane Siegfri
 

Hi all,


The depth reading on the FFD flashes "CAL" alternating with the depth readout.  The manual says this will happen after a system reset or as a result of the internal battery is exhausted.  


I can't find anything in the manual on how to change the battery, which gives me the impression that it's soldered to the board and requires a factory service. 


Has anyone had to replace a battery?  And how did you do that?



Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Maramu dimensions for dinghy storage

James Alton
 

Miles,

   Sorry, I am not on my boat currently so I cannot provide the measurement that you need at this time.  I did want to wish you luck with your plans to section your 10’ Falmouth Punt and try to make her stackable.  The hull shape suggests to me that this will make a nice rowing dinghy though the shape might be a little tough to stack.   If you are planning to put in two bulkheads, it might be worth considering installing these before you cut the dinghy in half.  This will effectively lock in the hull shape exactly so that the two pcs. will mate just right.  Especially with a thin hull skin, things will want to move around quite a bit when you cut through otherwise.    Be sure to use some good wax and PVA to keep the two bulkheads from bonding!  Looks like a great project.  Let me know how your project goes and best of luck!
 
James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220
 

On Feb 19, 2018, at 3:00 PM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello fellow Maramilians !

I’m in the process of building a 10ft grp dinghy. Sailing rowing and motor is the plan 



It’s for the kids really but I’m hoping we can use it almost exclusively as the boat tender. 

It’s a lovely thing but will need to be chopped in half once I have plucked up the courage 😐

But I’m away from our maramu. She’s in the canaries and we are in the uk working /school etc and getting ready for an extended cruise in the summer. 

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how much space there is between the main mast and the windlass?

I think it’s 2.3m but would love to hear if that’s the case or I made it up as I can’t find my measurement notes. 

The dinghy design is a copy of an old Falmouth punt so it won’t nest perfectly so I’m planning to just chop off the minimum so the remaining aft section fits between main mast and windlass. With luck the remaining fwd section will stow inside the aft section or failing that under the mizzen boom !

Hopefully she will sail like a witch and make up for the hassle of putting her together each time. We will see. We have Davits for night time hoisting in harbour if needed but won’t sail with her on the davits

If you are interested she’s going to be super light layup although I’m going to have to add bulkheads and seats etc and a spot of hull stiffening but so far 15kg for the hull alone. 
If we can keep her <35kg I’ll be happy
I’ll send a few pics once shes complete if anyone is interested 
First build for me and really enjoying it 

Any help with the measurements much appreciated !


Fair winds

Miles





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line cutter Size

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bob,
Here are my Spurs invoices.
You will see the ship name and my name.
You will also see 1.1/2” Type B.

Complete unit May 2015
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_03_18_spurs_2.jpg

Reconditioning of the unit I had onboard and spare half in March 2015
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2015_03_18_spurs_1.jpg

Then in September 2013 14 x rebuilt kit
http://www.nikimat.com/factures/2013_09_17_SPURS_MARINE.pdf

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 2/19/18, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line cutter Size
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, February 19, 2018, 12:50 PM


 









We are in the process of purchasing a spare Spurs
Cutter.  When we were in Turkey we had to pay (national
distributor in Istanbul) about the same amount as an entire
unit costs in the US.  
We have been doing some research on
the diameter size (we are away from our boat in Malta). 
Many Super Maramu's are reporting that they have used
1.5", we have also seen 38mm and 35mm in the group. 
Spurs is able to look up orders by last name so I found a
few that were 1.5" then had them look up Eric
Freedman--they only use last name.  On his they show 38mm
and Bryony told me that was an very unusual and custom
size.  If produced and was wrong could not be returned. 
38 mm is 1.49606" or 4/1000" larger than38mm. 
She informed me that if there was a problem I could return
it for exchange.
Anyone have THE definitive
answer?
Bob and
Suzanne KAIMI SM 429

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will) However we have confidence in our broker.

Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an email from my new broker sent after he read some of the posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi all,

I’ve been reading some of the comments posted by many of you about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies and they have worked for us and our clients as they should, many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in fact.

What you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims process goes as it should – in addition to ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a good one anyway!

There are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.  Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written on.

Sincere regards,

Neil Bailey

Director

Bailey Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because, firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value" policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 
New Zealand


On 16 February 2018 at 06:42 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre, Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their responsibly . I will guarantee that the vast majority of boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story to a wider audience. 

Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye

 
Hello Pat,

I totally agree with you Danny.

This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you are covered, but you are not.

I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask for mine).

I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we have a way to make things better.

Example on my insurance policy it says in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is: bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy, etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat. As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues. That is why they say “anything” even if not listed...
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders, dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.

I really implore Rafael to tell his story…

Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I understood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now simply has liability.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM


 









The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value ,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not enrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to the
entire boating community through the internet and sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to relate
their story , if  it results in lost business maybe they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose a
dream .
Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown

Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye








 













Good morning Danny,





I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as, it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting more
than the market value).


That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expenses were higher than the
average, etc...


So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with all
the details.


We have been working since November on this.





So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.





Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye


To: amelyachtowners@...


Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM








 
































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now


have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that


would help in the case of a write off.DannySM


299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19


"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...


[amelyachtowners]"


<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





  Dear Rafael,








I think you need to tell


the Group “your” story about the insurance.





We have the same insurance


Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think


every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they


used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.





It is not “my” place to


tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will


write mine with all the details when it will be settled.






I am definitely sorry that


your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did


not had the joy of sailing her.





Sincerely, Alexandre








--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie


<no_reply@...>
wrote:





Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying


goodbye


To:


amelyachtowners@...


Date:


Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM








 





























Dear


friends AMEL ownersProbably this


will be


the last email that I send and I will withdraw from


the group. The reason is that Hurricane


Irma


destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be


impossible for me to


recover it.The


insurance will only pay a fraction of


what


it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and


other reasons.This situation not only


destroyed my


ship but my dreams. My dreams


of living on board with my


wife, my dreams


of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my





dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other


seas


and finally returning to the beautiful


South of


Chile.


In this


group I gained friends


and knowledge and


for that, I thank each and every one of





you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning


helped me with their advice.





If


you sail to Chile you will have a


friend


here.Greetings to





all


Fair


windsRafaelSM2k


246











 

 


 

 


 

 


 

Maramu dimensions for dinghy storage

smiles bernard
 

Hello fellow Maramilians !


I’m in the process of building a 10ft grp dinghy. Sailing rowing and motor is the plan




It’s for the kids really but I’m hoping we can use it almost exclusively as the boat tender.

It’s a lovely thing but will need to be chopped in half once I have plucked up the courage 😐

But I’m away from our maramu. She’s in the canaries and we are in the uk working /school etc and getting ready for an extended cruise in the summer.

Would someone be kind enough to tell me how much space there is between the main mast and the windlass?

I think it’s 2.3m but would love to hear if that’s the case or I made it up as I can’t find my measurement notes.

The dinghy design is a copy of an old Falmouth punt so it won’t nest perfectly so I’m planning to just chop off the minimum so the remaining aft section fits between main mast and windlass. With luck the remaining fwd section will stow inside the aft section or failing that under the mizzen boom !

Hopefully she will sail like a witch and make up for the hassle of putting her together each time. We will see. We have Davits for night time hoisting in harbour if needed but won’t sail with her on the davits

If you are interested she’s going to be super light layup although I’m going to have to add bulkheads and seats etc and a spot of hull stiffening but so far 15kg for the hull alone.
If we can keep her <35kg I’ll be happy
I’ll send a few pics once shes complete if anyone is interested
First build for me and really enjoying it

Any help with the measurements much appreciated !


Fair winds

Miles