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Re: Genoa electric furling gears

Duane Siegfri
 

Kostas,

Thanks for posting the plans, I'll find a place to put them in the "Files" section.

Best regards,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I am glad you have the same layout. No worries about the mailing ,my treat. We'll get everything on the way to you asap.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Thanks Pat...it is greatly appreciated. We have modified our aft stateroom a bit by removing the fiberglass liners on both sides, building the berth on the port side out to King size at the head and queen at the foot, and adding new cabinetry on the stbd side. With that said, the area under the port berth where the drive will go, is not changed in any way that will cause an issue. 

I’ll give you my Hawaii address below, and please let me know if I can send you a check or do a pay pal to reimburse you for mailing cost. 

Aloha,

Steve

Steve Davis
95-464 Kaelo Place
Mililani, Hawaii 96789

Cell: 510-908-1835

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, It is a pretty straight forward solution ,uses no usable space and does not require cutting out any structural components . Remember you need a 24 v linear drive with the long arm. You will also want to buy an A/B switch , in order to switch back and forth between the rotary and linear drive. I will send photo of that as well.I will very soon take many more photos and measurements for you . Do you have the same layout as I do, with the berth to port ? I will try to make a template of the extension arm . Would you have an address , I could mail it to you? By the way, congratulations on making a long passage and dealing well through your steering issue. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Patrick, I have looked at the photo section, and your technique, seems the most simple of the 2 different methods I’ve seen this done with an older SM. We are definitely going to do the job with your method, but not until we get the steering fixed. Any dimensions or template for the quadrant extension would save me a lot of time and energy trying to re-invent the wheel. Since I have the steering apart now, I may start to do some of the legwork in the near future. Whenever you have to time, I’d greatly appreciate it if you can send me what you have. 

Thanks,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm.. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 
Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Pat...it is greatly appreciated. We have modified our aft stateroom a bit by removing the fiberglass liners on both sides, building the berth on the port side out to King size at the head and queen at the foot, and adding new cabinetry on the stbd side. With that said, the area under the port berth where the drive will go, is not changed in any way that will cause an issue. 

I’ll give you my Hawaii address below, and please let me know if I can send you a check or do a pay pal to reimburse you for mailing cost. 

Aloha,

Steve

Steve Davis
95-464 Kaelo Place
Mililani, Hawaii 96789

Cell: 510-908-1835

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 12:33 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, It is a pretty straight forward solution ,uses no usable space and does not require cutting out any structural components . Remember you need a 24 v linear drive with the long arm. You will also want to buy an A/B switch , in order to switch back and forth between the rotary and linear drive. I will send photo of that as well.I will very soon take many more photos and measurements for you . Do you have the same layout as I do, with the berth to port ? I will try to make a template of the extension arm . Would you have an address , I could mail it to you? By the way, congratulations on making a long passage and dealing well through your steering issue. 

Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Patrick, I have looked at the photo section, and your technique, seems the most simple of the 2 different methods I’ve seen this done with an older SM. We are definitely going to do the job with your method, but not until we get the steering fixed. Any dimensions or template for the quadrant extension would save me a lot of time and energy trying to re-invent the wheel. Since I have the steering apart now, I may start to do some of the legwork in the near future. Whenever you have to time, I’d greatly appreciate it if you can send me what you have. 

Thanks,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm.. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 
Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, It is a pretty straight forward solution ,uses no usable space and does not require cutting out any structural components . Remember you need a 24 v linear drive with the long arm. You will also want to buy an A/B switch , in order to switch back and forth between the rotary and linear drive. I will send photo of that as well.I will very soon take many more photos and measurements for you . Do you have the same layout as I do, with the berth to port ? I will try to make a template of the extension arm . Would you have an address , I could mail it to you? By the way, congratulations on making a long passage and dealing well through your steering issue. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
Patrick, I have looked at the photo section, and your technique, seems the most simple of the 2 different methods I’ve seen this done with an older SM. We are definitely going to do the job with your method, but not until we get the steering fixed. Any dimensions or template for the quadrant extension would save me a lot of time and energy trying to re-invent the wheel. Since I have the steering apart now, I may start to do some of the legwork in the near future. Whenever you have to time, I’d greatly appreciate it if you can send me what you have. 

Thanks,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm.. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 
Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Elaine Leishman
 


Hi Mark,

We are currently in Hobart, Tasmania which is a beautiful part of the world and will be staying here for winter while we sort Nebo out.
  First project was to get the diesel heater going which I am very happy to report works well after replacing the glow plug.

Regards,
Elaine and Michael 
SV Nebo No. 251

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date:16/07/2018 21:01 (GMT+10:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc:
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

 

Hi Elaine,

 

Where are you located?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

 

 

 

Hi everyone, I am a new member and a new owner of our first yacht, Amel SM hull no. 251. 

 

Moved onboard a few weeks ago and still unpacking and finding places for our belongings.  I am a keen cook and have quite a large pantry of what I consider essentials and having trouble organising the cupboards in the galley.  Would appreciate any input from the owners out there as to how they have gone about doing it.  The deep, top opening locker in the galley is proving to be the most difficult.  Also has anyone removed the bottle racks to gain extra storage.  Thanks in advance.

Elaine 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Patrick, I have looked at the photo section, and your technique, seems the most simple of the 2 different methods I’ve seen this done with an older SM. We are definitely going to do the job with your method, but not until we get the steering fixed. Any dimensions or template for the quadrant extension would save me a lot of time and energy trying to re-invent the wheel. Since I have the steering apart now, I may start to do some of the legwork in the near future. Whenever you have to time, I’d greatly appreciate it if you can send me what you have. 

Thanks,

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 

Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, Rather than fabricating a new quadrant , which would have been necessary had we attempted to replicate Amels original installation , I only had to fabricate an extension arm and weld it to the existing quadrant .  The design and installation on my boat went very smoothly , easy to do and has proven to work well for thousands of miles . After looking at your options ,if you chose to do an installation such as I did , I will be glad to supply you with more pictures and measurements , perhaps even a template of the extension arm. Have you looked at the photo section , I just did and there is a couple of pics that shows clearly what I did . Let me know if you go this route, and I will help in any way I can. 
Good Luck,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2018 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

 
 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Ryan Meador
 

I think this is a fascinating thread.  I'm getting all kinds of new ideas, and I'm reconsidering some of the storage decisions I've made.  Here's what we do:

  • The cabinet aft of the stove contains plates, bowls, and cups
  • The cabinet forward of the stove contains spices on the top shelf (on a lazy susan... somehow it has yet to get messed up due to waves or heeling) and random snacks/teabags/coffee/condiments on the bottom shelf
  • In-counter storage (is there a name for this?) aft of the stove holds pasta, rice, beans, and many canned goods.  Also some lesser-used kitchen gadgets such as the pasta strainer
  • In-counter storage forward of the stove is food storage containers/bags, aluminum foil, parchment paper, ramen noodles, some canned goods
  • Our SM has the washing machine close to the stove (rather than at the inboard end of the galley as in the 2000).  We store cutting boards in the space above it.
  • The left (outboard) drawer contains silverware, the right drawer contains cooking utensils and knives.  I'd love to swap the uses of these, but the dividers seem to be integral to the drawers.
  • The storage beneath the left drawer is for pots and pans
  • The storage beneath the right drawer is the liquor locker, and like Elaine, we have considered removing it to make more useful storage, but we are abiding by the 1 year rule (and I need a place to put the bottles anyways... under the table isn't enough)
  • Our under-sink dishwasher was removed by the previous owner, so that area stores cleaning supplies, including the vacuum cleaner.
  • The right hand (outboard) under-sink storage cabinet houses the trash bin, and deeper inside we put paper bags for recyclables.  I haven't found a use for the bilge storage under this space because it's so hard to get to.
  • Root vegetables go in a bin in the bilge just forward of the fridge
  • The bilge at the foot of the companionway steps houses canned goods
  • Foul weather boots go in the bilge beneath the companionway stairs. I did this because I've gotten some water in this area a few times, and the boots are waterproof.
  • The pressure cooker (Instant Pot) goes in the next-forward bilge compartment.  It fits just about perfectly because this compartment is smaller than most.
  • The cabinets on the port side behind the table closest to the galley hold additional canned goods, paper goods, and the clothes washing detergent (it's reachable over the counter from the washing machine area)
  • The drawers forward of the nav station hold the Amel-branded dishes.  This is prime real estate, and we hardly use these dishes, but they seem designed to fit this space so I leave them there.  Maybe I should move them.
  • The two drawers beneath the starboard settee are full of tools
  • The aft cabinets behind the starboard settee are full of spare parts.. but after reading this thread, I think I might swap the contents of these cabinets with their counterparts on the port side.  We need the food and paper goods more often than the spare parts.
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:36 AM john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Elaine, congratulations on your new Amel.  Colleen is also 5ft and uses rubber kitchen tongs to reach items stored at the bottom of the corner galley lockers.  We have two of these as the dishwasher is located under the sink on our model.  Colleen stores pots and pans in one cabinet under the forward counter top, the other cabinet is set up as a liquor and glass storage space(is this the bottle rack you are contemplating removing?) which we so far have let as it was.  We store frequently "needed" food items like bags of chips and snacks in the cabinets over the starboard side sofa and less frequently needed items on the port side.   One owner I spoke to recently, but cannot recall who said he stores spare parts on the port side of the salon and spread food storage out to more accessible cabinets around the boat.    We store heavy items, beer, wine, soft drinks, canned food....under the floor in the salon.


One thing that took Colleen a while to wrap her mind around was that "kitchen stuff" doesn't all need to be stored in the galley as one would go in a proper house, nor does all food have to be stored in one location.  There is a ton of storage throughout the vessel and it helps to spread things out a bit to make access easier.  

Oh and make a list of where you put things.   It will pay off.  

                   Regards,   John Clark
SV Annie SM#37
Le Marin, Martinique


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

 Hi Patrick,

Thanks for your response regarding our steering. We have it on our very long list while in Hawaii this year to add a linear drive. Do you have any specs on how you modified the quadrant on the drive attachment side?  Any info you have on this would be a big help in figuring out how to make the modification.

If you want to email me directly, try flyboyscd at gmail dot com.

Thanks,

Steve
Aloha SM 72


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Stephen Davis
 

Hello Olivier,

Thank you so much for your response regarding our steering problems. We have owned our SM for a little over 4 years, and sailed her 15,000 miles, and believe her to be around the 75,000 mile mark in her life, but are not sure of this number. We had no idea the steering cables may have been changed on the boat, but having cables 2 feet short may have contributed to our steering failure. We emailed Maude last Thursday and again just now regarding availability of new cables, but have not heard back from her as yet. Because our racks are new, we feel hopeful new cables will solve all our steering problems. We have it on our list to install a linear drive while in Hawaii this year, and any information you have on how to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again for your help.

Warm Regards,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii


On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:55 AM Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Steve,

I just read your story. Congratulations for sailing 1200 nm with the emergency tiller.

The original ULTRAFLEX cables are M61 FT25, 25 feet. Yours seem to be 23 feet long which is too short (even seems incredibly short...), probably making too tight curves. Moreover, M61 is the diameter (6.1mm) of the internal cable, if you have M41, this is too small. These cables may have been replaced already with the wrong type. What is the outside diameter of your cables including sheath?
I think one of your cable is damaged and prevents the rod to come fully out (which can also happen with an M61 cable).
You should order a new pair of cables from AMEL. Do you know how many nm ALOHA made so far?

Did you try to move the cables in their sheath while they are not connected (at both ends)? Did you notice any difference between both (more resistancein one of them)?

When I was working at AMEL, we always advised the owners of a damaged steering system to replace the whole thing, rack and pinion + cables.

You all understand that with the rotary pilot (chain at wheel) only, the steering wheel system is more subject to wear than if you have a linear drive at the quadrant. For the older Super Maramus, it is possible to install a linear drive without too much work if you install it under the port double berth, working front to aft (unlike the SM 2000 where it moves sideways).

Good luck.



On Monday, July 16, 2018, 2:14:30 AM GMT+2, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 


Bill,

Thanks for checking, as every scrap of information is helpful at this point. I am curious as to why you new cables would be 2 feet longer than the originals.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:33 PM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steering Failure on 1992 SM72 "Aloha"

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Steve,

I just read your story. Congratulations for sailing 1200 nm with the emergency tiller.

The original ULTRAFLEX cables are M61 FT25, 25 feet. Yours seem to be 23 feet long which is too short (even seems incredibly short...), probably making too tight curves. Moreover, M61 is the diameter (6.1mm) of the internal cable, if you have M41, this is too small. These cables may have been replaced already with the wrong type. What is the outside diameter of your cables including sheath?
I think one of your cable is damaged and prevents the rod to come fully out (which can also happen with an M61 cable).
You should order a new pair of cables from AMEL. Do you know how many nm ALOHA made so far?

Did you try to move the cables in their sheath while they are not connected (at both ends)? Did you notice any difference between both (more resistancein one of them)?

When I was working at AMEL, we always advised the owners of a damaged steering system to replace the whole thing, rack and pinion + cables.

You all understand that with the rotary pilot (chain at wheel) only, the steering wheel system is more subject to wear than if you have a linear drive at the quadrant. For the older Super Maramus, it is possible to install a linear drive without too much work if you install it under the port double berth, working front to aft (unlike the SM 2000 where it moves sideways).

Good luck.



On Monday, July 16, 2018, 2:14:30 AM GMT+2, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 


Bill,

Thanks for checking, as every scrap of information is helpful at this point. I am curious as to why you new cables would be 2 feet longer than the originals.

Steve

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:33 PM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve,


I have been scrolling through the previous owner’s  blog, and can’t find exactly when the cables were replaced.  I’ll guess and say about 2012.  They had trouble with the steering being very stiff, and tracked it down to the cables.  I don’t remember them having any special difficulties installing the new cables.

I have not dug into the details of the differences between the various ultraflex systems, other than to see that it is a complex mix of current, legacy, and obsolete systems!

Bill Kinney
Sm 160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

Mark Erdos
 

Gary,

 

It is really odd someone would think that installation made sense.

 

If you turn the unit around, you should find the fan cover rotates allowing  the air duct to point either way. It will pretty easy to re-connect the air duct without a lot of re-plumbing. Because the exhaust from the fan rotates, I don’t think they made left or right versions of the units.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 7:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

 

 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

 

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

 

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

 

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

 

Thanks,

 

Gary W.

SM 209, "Adagio"

Malta

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Gary,

May be it will help, here is the illustrations for my Aft and Forward Air Conditioning.
http://www.nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
The section referring to the Aft units are mentioned.
Let us know what you find!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Mon, 7/16/18, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, July 16, 2018, 6:38 AM


 









Hi Gary,   we still have
the original Climma unit aft, it is installed with fins
facing inboard, so that the fan draws air from the area
behind the head and blows into duct work facing
aft.                         
 John
SV Annie SM
37Le Marin
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at
7:20 AM, @svadagio
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









Well, here's a question I just need to
bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on
my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed
"backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I
am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but
unfortunately that answer comes with no
solution.
I have the
aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way
it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard,
kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them
without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for
access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking
over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it
and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were
facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for
the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as
far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were
right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if
others might have a similar orientation with their
units.
I'm not
sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's
normal.
Could someone
else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look
see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,
Gary W.SM 209,
"Adagio"Malta


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Climma AC, SM

John Clark
 

Hi Gary,
   we still have the original Climma unit aft, it is installed with fins facing inboard, so that the fan draws air from the area behind the head and blows into duct work facing aft.  
                         John

SV Annie SM 37
Le Marin

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:20 AM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Malta




Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

John Clark
 

Hi Elaine, congratulations on your new Amel.  Colleen is also 5ft and uses rubber kitchen tongs to reach items stored at the bottom of the corner galley lockers.  We have two of these as the dishwasher is located under the sink on our model.  Colleen stores pots and pans in one cabinet under the forward counter top, the other cabinet is set up as a liquor and glass storage space(is this the bottle rack you are contemplating removing?) which we so far have let as it was.  We store frequently "needed" food items like bags of chips and snacks in the cabinets over the starboard side sofa and less frequently needed items on the port side.   One owner I spoke to recently, but cannot recall who said he stores spare parts on the port side of the salon and spread food storage out to more accessible cabinets around the boat.    We store heavy items, beer, wine, soft drinks, canned food....under the floor in the salon.

One thing that took Colleen a while to wrap her mind around was that "kitchen stuff" doesn't all need to be stored in the galley as one would go in a proper house, nor does all food have to be stored in one location.  There is a ton of storage throughout the vessel and it helps to spread things out a bit to make access easier.  

Oh and make a list of where you put things.   It will pay off.  

                   Regards,   John Clark
SV Annie SM#37
Le Marin, Martinique


---In amelyachtowners@..., <gary@...> wrote :

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Aft Climma AC, SM

Gary Wells
 

Well, here's a question I just need to bounce around.  I need to see if the aft air conditioner on my SM is mounted correctly, or was installed "backwards".  I talked to Bill R. about it, and I am pretty sure I have exactly the right answer, but unfortunately that answer comes with no solution.

I have the aft air conditioner out and sitting in the head.  The way it was installed put the air input/cooling fins outboard, kind of against the hull and it is impossible to clean them without detaching the whole unit and sliding it out for access (meaning pulling out the head). 

Looking over the situation, it would be pretty easy to re-plumb it and reverse the orientation so that the cooling fins were facing inboard into the head. ~but~ , the exhaust elbow for the blower fan does not appear to be in any way movable as far as I can see.  Makes me wonder if there were right-hand/left-hand versions of the eh-9 compact, or if others might have a similar orientation with their units.

I'm not sure I want to 'solve' the problem if it's normal.

Could someone else with a hull number close (we are 209) take a quick look see and let me know how your unit is oriented? 

Thanks,

Gary W.
SM 209, "Adagio"
Malta



Re: Finally a real forum member

John Clark
 

Congratulations again Arno, make sure to come by and visit when you return.  

                                         John
SV Annie SM37
Le Marin 


Re: Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Gary Wells
 

Well,my wife would be the expert but here's what I've learned through keen observations and the occasional "honey, where do we keep the .....?"

At 5'2" she has a pretty good challenge with the deep cabinets as well.  We do own a pair of 'reaching-thingies" .. can grabber claws . that help manage that..  Mostly, the cabinets are full of seldom used things including the Soda Stream, electric kettle and vacuum sealer (only out at dock) and 'back-up" canned goods.
Our boat (#209) doesn't have a dishwasher so the extra cupboard is full of the zip-loc bags, foils, parchment, and the lesser used spices in a portable rack. the cupboard under the sink has the pressure cooker and some other nesting pots and pans.

Virtually all of the silverware and cutlery are in the two drawers under the countertop .. with the exception of the plastic and nylon stuff (spatulas, ladles, stirring spoons, tongs) which are held in "vases" in the rack above the fridge.

All our dishware is kept in the two aft cabinets, stbd side, in the salon.  It stacks nicely (all melamine) and since it's not metal can safely live close to the electronics.

All the foodstuffs basically are in the bilges, in their own bins (in case of leakage). Keeps the weight of canned goods low.

We have the two big drawers beneath the salon settee; one has mixing bowls and other 'big' vessels and the other has my "geek" stuff like the printer and scanner. The three drawers just fwd of the nav station, which I think were originally Amel's plan for dishes, are full of camera gear, extra aa, c and d cell batteries, some first aid supplies (not a full kit) and miscellaneous office supplies from sticky notes to playing cards. I'm sure everybody comes into their own plan; I know ours has evolved quite a bit as we figured out what got used most.

Nevertheless, there are still the times when my 6'2" comes in handy to reach the bottom of that deep locker for cleaning or retrieving he errant can of beets :)

Gary W.
s/v Adagio SM209
Malta



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Elaine,

 

Where are you located?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 6:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Storage in the galley Super Maramu 2000

 

 

 

Hi everyone, I am a new member and a new owner of our first yacht, Amel SM hull no. 251. 

 

Moved onboard a few weeks ago and still unpacking and finding places for our belongings.  I am a keen cook and have quite a large pantry of what I consider essentials and having trouble organising the cupboards in the galley.  Would appreciate any input from the owners out there as to how they have gone about doing it.  The deep, top opening locker in the galley is proving to be the most difficult.  Also has anyone removed the bottle racks to gain extra storage.  Thanks in advance.

Elaine 

 

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