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Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Peter de Groot
 

Hi Mark, Craig and Gary,


Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Peter, 
Mark recommends a Bronze valve (by Groco, although many other brands are out there)  - these are NOT brass and are excellent! 
Gary recommends "Naval Brass" or "Marine Brass".  These also are not (regular) brass and are excellent!
Both are standard for marine use and they contain tin to reduce corrosion. 

The same valves are more readily available in brass - absolutely wrong. The memory jogger for marine use is, "Brass, my ass!"

Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <isaac_02906@...> wrote :

Hello Peter,

I just did this job a couple of months ago with the boat in the water.  It was not as difficult or unpleasant as I had expected.  The valve you need can be purchased on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TUNX1IQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I took the toilet out (three or four bolts on the base and two hoses to remove) for better access only because a large wrench is required to break the valve free.  The gelcoat must be chipped from the base of the valve prior to removal not only so your wrench will fit, but also so the valve will turn more easily.  There is a male pipe fitting glassed into the hull onto which the female side of the valve threads.  A plastic piece with a hose barb threads into the other side of the valve (I reused mine).  Don't forget the pipe dope or teflon tape as well as the bonding wire.

Mark Isaac
Lulu, SM#391
South Freeport, Maine


---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :

Peter: 

See this link to the photos section of this forum for details and specifications on this replacement:


If the link doesn't work then go to the photos section and search for holding tank, or valve etc.  There is file folder on this issue.  I do wish folks would post all related photos in folders with appropriate searchable titles rather than by boat name etc.  

I would recommend "marine brass"  or "naval brass" (silver colored valves like Amel originally installed), rather than regular brass valve.  See this link for why this is more resistant to dezincification etc.  http://www.nationalbronze.com/News/what-is-naval-brass/
 The fittings, as noted in the photo file, are BPSS  (British straight pipe thread) so you must use a sealant that will harden somewhat or the new valve will rotate when you actuate the handle.

Good luck, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335   
Just completing hurricane repairs, sitting next to a sister ship,  Amel # 331 "Cloud Street" at Island Marine Inc, at Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM stern bumper

Mark Erdos
 

Contact Amel France. The bumpers go in and out of stock. If there are none available now, check back in a couple of months.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 1:06 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM stern bumper

 

 

The guys at our Marina in Virginia got us a replacement from Amel last summer in a couple of weeks. We don’t know the cost because the previous owner had it replaced after our survey of the boat. It seemed very straight forward from what they stated.

 

Good Luck!

 

Mark

S/V It’s Good

SM #105

Gloucester, VA

 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 7:59 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After 4 years, the stern bumper on my SM was lost at sea. She was in rough shape and lived a long life. Wondering if anyone had one they wanted to get rid of or had any luck getting a new one from Amel. I read somewhere that a member waited 2 years for one. Thoughts?

 

Bill Maffei

It's all Good 

SM #195


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM stern bumper

Mark Garver
 

The guys at our Marina in Virginia got us a replacement from Amel last summer in a couple of weeks. We don’t know the cost because the previous owner had it replaced after our survey of the boat. It seemed very straight forward from what they stated.

Good Luck!

Mark
S/V It’s Good
SM #105
Gloucester, VA


On Jul 4, 2018, at 7:59 PM, william_maffei@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After 4 years, the stern bumper on my SM was lost at sea. She was in rough shape and lived a long life. Wondering if anyone had one they wanted to get rid of or had any luck getting a new one from Amel. I read somewhere that a member waited 2 years for one. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei

It's all Good 

SM #195


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Hello friends,

Seems , that I am really a unlucky guy and CLIMMA is not as bad as my experience.

Thank you ALL for your willingness to share YOUR experience.

Now I have to reflect........


Fair winds,

Martin


Am 05.07.2018 um 11:41 schrieb 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello Martin;


It is unfortunate that you are having so many issues with your Climma. Ours also has been working without any issues in the past 3 years that we have owned her.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B KOKOMO 

On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Maybe it’s the newer units on Trippin 2008 54 #101 no problem with heat or AC we are the 3rd owners original equipment 

So sorry for your difficulties 
Courtney 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

greatketch@...
 

Thanks Pat!  

It does always help to check the Perkins parts. When available, and a match, they are almost always cheaper...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

greatketch@...
 

Thanks Bill R.,

It does look like all the VDO temperatures sensors are electrically identical, and all I have to do is be sure the threads match the thermostat housing.  

Interestingly, the 1/2"MPT style in that EBay listing you posted is on the VDO website as obsolete and no longer manufactured.  If mine turns out to have a 1/2" thread, I think I'll buy two...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

 

Bill Kinney,

I think what you need is a VDO Isolated Ground sensor. I believe that almost any diesel engine isolated ground sensor will work. Take a look at this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/262536815778?rmvSB=true

The above is probably a sensor, but the seller also states "switch." It is only $5.69 plus $1.69 delivery...I would give it a try...be sure to let all of us know if this works for you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 5:58 AM greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have a part number/source for the two wire temperature sensor on the TMD22? Not the high temperature alarm switch, I need the sender for the temperature gauge?


The "standard" Volvo part was a single wire sensor, and even that one is apparently no longer available from Volvo..


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

 

Colin,

In the following, I assume that you have an unmodified Amel OEM 66b (standard) or 88b (optional) fresh water pump.

Square D is worldwide and commonly used on water-well pumps throughout the world. It is a very good and reliable pressure switch with a life of around 10-15 years. It difficult to get adjusted correctly. If you search online, you will find several videos and Square D instructions. In my Amel School Book I have 10 pages devoted to the Amel OEM fresh water pump and pressure switch, which I will summarize for you.

Your Amel OEM freshwater pump originally cost 600-900 and is completely rebuildable. There are several things that could be wrong which I will list in order of probability:
  1. The wet-side of the Square D electro-mechanical valve is clogged with debris
  2. The one-way valve is either worn out or compromised with a piece of debris.
  3. There is a suction leak
  4. The impeller is broken or otherwise compromised.
  5. The impeller key has moved
  6. The Square D mechanical switches need adjustment 
  7. The Square D mechanical/electrical switches have electrically failed (poor contact).
I think that you may have started at the bottom, rather than the top of the above list. Also, it sounds like you might have made an error in wiring to the switch...there are 3 wires to the switch: 24VDC positive, 24VDC negative, and 24VDC positive output to the pilot light on the 24VDC panel.

I have more information than above, you might want to email me directly at ADMbill "at" amelschool.com

The Jabsco pump you discussed is basically a throw-away pump. If you go that route, buy 2 pumps so that you have a replacement when the first fails. Your AMEL OEM pump is no longer available, but very good freshwater pumps from MARCO (www.marco.it) are available. I would suggest the MARCO UP12/A Water pressure system PTFE gears 9.5 gpm. Plus ATX2 Stainless steel accumulator. Part N 16468013 & 16508110...about 340€ for the pump and 80€ for the accumulator...OR you could use UP6/A Water pressure system 6.9 gpm. Part N 16462013 & 16508110 ...about 245€ for the pump and 80€ for the accumulator. Email Email export "at" marco.it BTW, Amel School Clients get a 20% Discount at MARCO in Europe/worldwide and the US through their distributor mate-usa.com.

I hope this helps.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970






On Wed, Jul 4, 2018 at 12:36 PM colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We have had as issue with our freshwater pump remaining on when it shouldn't, and have tried all potential remedies we could find in the files on this forum, but to no avail. Amel does not have a new one available for us despite the same switch being used on both the 53's and 54's and possibly beyond.


The pump, one way valve, and pressure cylinder are all working as designed, so we removed the housing off the pressure switch itself, and initially fiddled with the settings (by screwing both adjustment bolts in and out in different sequences) which is pretty much a black art as we have no manual showing how to set this mechanism (min pressure for pump to switch on and max pressure for pump to switch off).


Having no luck with this today we took the entire mechanical switch apart and on putting it back together now nothing works! Such is life!


A fellow Amel 54 cruiser here (previously owned a SM from new for 8 yea rs) informs me that he is aware that many other owners have done away with the original freshwater pump in favour of the Jabsco freshwater pump, (without the pressure cylinder) and actually prefer those allbeit they are slightly more noisy. Aparently they provide a smooth flow even without the pressure balancing cylinder.


With no suitable Jabsco pumps available here in Mauritius, I am looking at temporary alternatives but thought there may be some wisdom in this group about: 

1) someone has a manual for this switch and could kindly send it to us at svislandpearl@...; or 

2) some of you may have encountered this problem before, and already made step by step instructions on correct re-assembly/parts list, as well as adjustment advice for the mechanical/electrical pressure switch to work correctly; and/or 

3) some of you have already converted to the Jabsco (or equivalent) pumps and could offer some warnings and/or advice regardin g max psi model to purchase, as well as how you best plumbed it in.


In our usual style with backups for everything on Island Pearl II, I am planning to both fix/replace the existing Amel supplied unit,  and also add a second "jabsco style" option with plumbing done so that we have a quick flick over switch to use the other if either fails in future.


Fair winds & following seas


Colin, SV Island Pearl II; SM #332

Mauritius

svislandpearl.com


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, just noticed that they have it for the TMD22 as well ,same price. I believe they ship from UK , but I still received my parts within a week.
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

 
Does anyone have a part number/source for the two wire temperature sensor on the TMD22? Not the high temperature alarm switch, I need the sender for the temperature gauge?

The "standard" Volvo part was a single wire sensor, and even that one is apparently no longer available from Volvo..

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Parts4Engines have the two wire sender for the M80T , should be the same , for $16.68 . 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Volvo temperature sensor

 
Does anyone have a part number/source for the two wire temperature sensor on the TMD22? Not the high temperature alarm switch, I need the sender for the temperature gauge?

The "standard" Volvo part was a single wire sensor, and even that one is apparently no longer available from Volvo..

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

I’m in contact with a 3-D printing company in Annapolis.  I’ll send one to them as soon as I get back to the boat in 2 weeks, and let you know what they say.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:43 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Looks like a job for somebody with a 3D printer...  


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Volvo temperature sensor

greatketch@...
 

Does anyone have a part number/source for the two wire temperature sensor on the TMD22? Not the high temperature alarm switch, I need the sender for the temperature gauge?


The "standard" Volvo part was a single wire sensor, and even that one is apparently no longer available from Volvo..


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Martin;

It is unfortunate that you are having so many issues with your Climma. Ours also has been working without any issues in the past 3 years that we have owned her.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B KOKOMO 

On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Maybe it’s the newer units on Trippin 2008 54 #101 no problem with heat or AC we are the 3rd owners original equipment 

So sorry for your difficulties 
Courtney 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Peter: 

See this link to the photos section of this forum for details and specifications on this replacement:


If the link doesn't work then go to the photos section and search for holding tank, or valve etc.  There is file folder on this issue.  I do wish folks would post all related photos in folders with appropriate searchable titles rather than by boat name etc.  

I would recommend "marine brass"  or "naval brass" (silver colored valves like Amel originally installed), rather than regular brass valve.  See this link for why this is more resistant to dezincification etc.  http://www.nationalbronze.com/News/what-is-naval-brass/
 The fittings, as noted in the photo file, are BPSS  (British straight pipe thread) so you must use a sealant that will harden somewhat or the new valve will rotate when you actuate the handle.

Good luck, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335   
Just completing hurricane repairs, sitting next to a sister ship,  Amel # 331 "Cloud Street" at Island Marine Inc, at Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico



Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Mark Isaac
 

Hello Peter,

I just did this job a couple of months ago with the boat in the water.  It was not as difficult or unpleasant as I had expected.  The valve you need can be purchased on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TUNX1IQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I took the toilet out (three or four bolts on the base and two hoses to remove) for better access only because a large wrench is required to break the valve free.  The gelcoat must be chipped from the base of the valve prior to removal not only so your wrench will fit, but also so the valve will turn more easily.  There is a male pipe fitting glassed into the hull onto which the female side of the valve threads.  A plastic piece with a hose barb threads into the other side of the valve (I reused mine).  Don't forget the pipe dope or teflon tape as well as the bonding wire.

Mark Isaac
Lulu, SM#391
South Freeport, Maine
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

greatketch@...
 

Looks like a job for somebody with a 3D printer...  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: SM stern bumper

greatketch@...
 

Last I heard (18 months ago) there were back in stock at Amel. That's when we got ours.

I had heard described people who had replacements made of painted wood.  A not unreasonable alternative. Certainly easier to replace after a rough bump than FRP!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

James Studdart
 

You should also check the “sensor” part of the pressure switch. Unscrew it from the rest of the pump and look down the short pipe where the water presses on the switch. We replaced ours but I cleaned up the old one as a spare... it’s now doing good service on a friends SM.

Cheers,
James
SeaBean, SM344
Vava’u, Tonga

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:36 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The company Square D makes a wide selection of pressure switches that would be suitable. Pick your liquid connection size, and your pressure range, and your are good to go.

Like the original, the are simple, robust, mechanical. They are widely available at least in the US.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

Hi Miles,  and Hi to Carol,

May the Fourth be with you all!

I will look into the possibility of having some made. I will get back to the group when I find something out.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:53 AM, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

I have replaced the broken spring on two of my handles with bits of rubber from a child’s play ball.   It works most of the time, but if someone wants to investigate having some made, I would like to join in.

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, on a mooring in Newport, RI