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Re: Engine Vibration

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Ian,
As Arno, James and Bill point out, there could be several sources but your suspicion does seem likely, notwithstanding new mounts. You can easily check if it is a bad engine mount, though. First, stand on the engine and wiggle around with your full weight. If the engine doesn't remain firmly planted you'll easily spot the failed mount(s). (Mine was really wobbly and it was the starboard rear mount!)  You can also rev up the engine and look for one side or the other to lift up, signaling a failed mount. Do it in forward and reverse to identify the bad mount.

However, it being only at high RPM and with having just installed new mounts, that seems it is something else like the suggestions to check the coupling. On my boat years after the failed mount and on two other SN's I've looked at it was loose bolts on the Vetus coupling, and that was, indeed, more noticeable at higher rpm, although there was a rattle on deacceleration.  Put a wrench on all the bolts and check if they are tight - do the same on the engine mounts while you're at it.

One other procedure I've done after popping my engine up to the cockpit to more easily do various maintenance on it is to put it back in place and just loosely tighten the mounting bolts. Then start it up, run it at low rpm in forward and reverse to let it find it's "sweet spot" and then torque up the bolts. You can do that, of course, without uncoupling it or lifting it out of the engine room. It might just let it "settle in" to where it should be.

Keep us posted - would love to hear the final diagnosis.

Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: Running back stays on A54

Sv Garulfo
 

On Garulfo, we have a variation of Arno’s solution with a knot instead of the hook and a small block to lead the tie (black and white in the pic) back to a cleat near the cockpit.



Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Raiatea, French Polynesia 

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 09:51, Laurens Vos <laurensrineke@...> wrote:

Hi Arno,

Thanks for sharing your solution regarding the backstays.
Will try it out. But even with this solution one need to still go out the cockpit to unhook the hanging hook. 

Bill’s solution could be also working well but I’m afraid there will be too much stretch to give the mast a good support. 


Regards 
Laurens Vos 
Fun@Sea A54-92


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Laurens Vos
 

Hi Ulrich,

We’re getting also more problems with a jammed main. Probably it’s because the sails getting older and more out of shape (like most of the skippers 😜). We’re also planning new sails. Sailing with your new Incidences sails was there a drop in speed compared to your main with battens ?

Regards
Laurens Vos
Fun@Sea  - A54 -092 


Re: Running back stays on A54

amelforme
 

Peter, my Amel 54 # 14 was the best and most satisfying boat I have ever owned. The only thing worse than selling it would have been keeping it but not being able to enjoy it in the manner it was intended for. I still like working at selling all the good used Amels I can find which gets harder every year, especially the ‘good’ part. The guy who owns it now gives it plenty of the two things boats like best, exercise and maintenance. We remain friends so all’s well that ends well.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:24 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54

 

 

Joel,

 

We will meet for sure - keep in touch.

 

I can’t sell my Amel 54 I love her too much.

 

Peter 

 

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:12, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Peter, I’ll send you that 20 quid I promised.

 

Sorry that it looks like our pub lunch in the splendid English summertime will have to wait another year.

 

Everybody say a prayer for Bill Rouse. Hurricane Laura may not be kind to Galveston Texas tonight.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:41 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54

 

Arno,

 

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

 

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

 

peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730

 

On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121








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Best wishes

Peter Forbes

+44 (0) 7836 209730


Re: Running back stays on A54

Laurens Vos
 

Hi Arno,

Thanks for sharing your solution regarding the backstays.
Will try it out. But even with this solution one need to still go out the cockpit to unhook the hanging hook. 

Bill’s solution could be also working well but I’m afraid there will be too much stretch to give the mast a good support. 


Regards 
Laurens Vos 
Fun@Sea A54-92


Galley refrigerator not cooling

Slavko Despotovic
 

Coming back to the boat I find refrigerator not cooling. I can hear fun running and compressor as well. But the plate not cold.
I do not have any instructions on board for the refrigerator. On my previous boat this was a signal that gas has to be filled i. What kind of the gas is on 1999 models of SM? How difficult is to get to the  compressor to fill the gas. Or maybe is the thermostat. How can I test that one?
Thank you for help.
--
Slavko
SM 2000
#279


Re: Output on SM

Eloi Bamberg
 

Hallo,
I have something similar on mine. If you have some sort of "marine computer" on yours, il should be the connection for a second screen of this computer.

Eloi,
Red Lion
SM426


Re: Engine Vibration

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Lots of possibilities here and the experts on the BB will help.  Just adding that especially since work was done not too long ago to check all of the pertinent fasteners to be sure that nothing has worked itself loose.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

My Prima M50 is vibrating badly at the rear (end furthest from the C Drive). It’s OK below 1800 rpm.
All the engine And transmission mounts were replaced in Martinique in 2018 and the engine re-aligned.
I am assuming one of the rear mounts has failed. Is there anything else that can cause this vibration?
I had refurbished injectors fitted before setting off at the beginning of August and I have re-bled them to ensure no air locks.
Is my suspicion of a failed engine mount(s) most likely?


Re: Running back stays on A54

Peter Forbes
 


Joel,

We will meet for sure - keep in touch.

I can’t sell my Amel 54 I love her too much.

Peter 


On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 at 18:12, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Peter, I’ll send you that 20 quid I promised.

 

Sorry that it looks like our pub lunch in the splendid English summertime will have to wait another year.

 

Everybody say a prayer for Bill Rouse. Hurricane Laura may not be kind to Galveston Texas tonight.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:41 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54

 

Arno,

 

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

 

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

 

peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121









--
Best wishes
Peter Forbes
+44 (0) 7836 209730


Re: Running back stays on A54

amelforme
 

Peter, I’ll send you that 20 quid I promised.

 

Sorry that it looks like our pub lunch in the splendid English summertime will have to wait another year.

 

Everybody say a prayer for Bill Rouse. Hurricane Laura may not be kind to Galveston Texas tonight.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:41 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54

 

Arno,

 

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

 

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

 

peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: Engine Vibration

Arno Luijten
 

Is the vibration both present in Neutral and in Gear?

Given the fact they have been working on the injectors it could be one of the cylinders not firing at higher RPMs. Did the phenomenon started out of the blue or after after some work done to the engine/transmission.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Engine Vibration

 

The Vetus Coupling may be failing and/or the alignment may have been done incorrectly. Did they use a fixed coupling alignment tool?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:33 AM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
Sorry, failed to put my name etc.

Ian
’Ocean Hobo’ Santorin 96 currently in the Scilly Isles.


Re: Running back stays on A54

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Joerg. 
Great description. I’m going to try it out!  
Really appreciated 

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:


Thank's Arno,
Really appreciate your post with explanation and photos.
I get so much from this forum.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique


On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 9:36:32 AM EDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Engine Vibration

Ian Park
 

Sorry, failed to put my name etc.

Ian
’Ocean Hobo’ Santorin 96 currently in the Scilly Isles.


Engine Vibration

Ian Park
 

My Prima M50 is vibrating badly at the rear (end furthest from the C Drive). It’s OK below 1800 rpm.
All the engine And transmission mounts were replaced in Martinique in 2018 and the engine re-aligned.
I am assuming one of the rear mounts has failed. Is there anything else that can cause this vibration?
I had refurbished injectors fitted before setting off at the beginning of August and I have re-bled them to ensure no air locks.
Is my suspicion of a failed engine mount(s) most likely?


Re: Running back stays on A54

Barry Connor
 

Thank's Arno,
Really appreciate your post with explanation and photos.
I get so much from this forum.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique


On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 9:36:32 AM EDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Running back stays on A54

Joerg Esdorn
 

About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Running back stays on A54

Peter Forbes
 

Arno,

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

peter
Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>


From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>


Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: Amel Club

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Joerg,

First time I visited this site I thought it was kind of "empty" but I notice the added quite some contents now. I find it quite slow though. This is my favorite from the club 😉



For some reason when it's about clubs I always have to think about Groucho Marx and his remark "I don't want to be member of a club that wants me as a member", so maybe this is why I forgot about it lately.
Thanks for reminding me.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Running back stays on A54

Arno Luijten
 

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121