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Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Roque
 

Joerg. You could try to reach Barbara at info@....  Whatsapp +34  620 87 50 97. She lives in Alicante, and used to be the Amel representative in Spain. Bárbara handled everything I needed during almost 4 years while sailing in the Med.  She became a good friend, since. Even if she can’t help you directly, she may point you to the right direction. She speaks English.  Good luck. 

Roque
Attika  A54 #117
Paraty - Brazil

Em seg., 3 de ago. de 2020 às 10:25, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> escreveu:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: New England Lobster Pots

James Alton
 

Bill,

   We sailed for 8 seasons in Maine and unfortunately these pots will often be set in waters deeper than 200’.  The deep set ones tend to be the worst since they will have significant ballast  (concrete blocks usually) in the pot to keep the pot from dragging so you don’t want to draw these into your running gear.  Sailing at night is probably ok so long as you clear your prop before starting your engine and getting under power.  You should be able to tell if you are dragging one of these things without going under to have a look since they cause a lot of drag. If things open up and you are able, consider Nova Scotia.  No pots at all on the South Shore during the season and even during the season the pots are minimal.  The water is also much warmer.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Bill Hall <billhall95688@...> wrote:

Usually past 160 feet of water

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:29 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243




Re: New England Lobster Pots

Bill Hall
 

Usually past 160 feet of water

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:29 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243


New England Lobster Pots

karkauai
 

Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hey, Bill
yes, I think this is a matter that can be brought to court , but that would have the risk that the boat will be set up to the verdict or the tax will be deposited .
i would ask a specialist for EU tax law about the exceptions to be provided for here, and I would not rely on the Spanish authorities alone.

Moreover , I must agree with Gerhard , and why should the Spanish be generous in this area , they need every cent

Elja
SM Balu
Kalamata

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Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Depending on when Greece reopens to US travellers, I am potentially in a very similar situation with regard to the VAT and the 18 month limit.  My boat is located in Preveza, Greece and I have been using an agent there named Sofia to handle the paperwork.  I inquired with her on this issue and received the response posted below:

Hello
James
As long as the transit log deposit to the the customs office the clock is stopped
So the sueno can stay without VAT mire time than 18 months.


Beat regards
Sofia Gravani
Agency manager

(Sofia placed the transit log for Sueño with the customs office last October)

Despite this positive response I am still concerned about going over the 18 month limit.  Do you feel that this information is adequate or should I follow up and try to verify this information?  If you recommend that I verify then would you know who I should contact?

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:49 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Joerg,

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain





Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Gerhard Mueller
 

It is right what Bill is telling. But I'm afraid the europaen people has changed their mind about the US since the changes in US politics.
I see more and more people in Europe since some years talking bad about the US now. Hopefully that will change after the elections.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Joerg

why don't you check if you can sail to England? Thy leave the eu some month ago.

if it is allowed to enter the EU for us members
furthermore , entry restrictions are in place to the EU .




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Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

 

Joerg,

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Scott,

To answer your question, the foam tied about every 2 meters is to keep the wires from twisting inside the channel and jamming. This is something that, as far as I know, only Amel does. I suspect that the reason you have a jam is that somehow the wires twisted anyway.
image.png

I hope all Amel owners are reading this because the biggest cause of the wires jamming is someone adds wires that do not have this simple piece of foam.

I think there are 3 possible solutions:
  1. Pull the entire group of wires in that channel down, then reinstall them.
  2. Try pulling from the top. 
  3. You might also attempt someone at the top and someone at the bottom alternately pulling up, then down.
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:45 AM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello Scott,

1. You need to pull up the mouse line with the foam dampers to the masttop, while there is a line fixed at the lower end to pull it back in later.

2. You use the plain mouse line to pull in your new cable

3. Plull the damping line back in


That way we have been successfull. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 04:05 Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
Main

Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 10:03 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

 

Ralph,

It is possible to damage your Volvo engine or Reversing ZF Hurth Transmission if you run the engine with the brake engaged. If the brake is dragging when the engine is running, it is best to remove it now.

Good luck.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:57 PM Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:
Thank's Bill, Courtney, Porter,

it realy looks like something is broken. Maud already shipped the new brake pads, which I will change anyhow when I remove the brake (picture below). I hope to get them this week and then next week demount the brake and inspect.

The tip's with the coin or washer are great, but in my case, when you watch the video, there seems to be something broken. I don't think that's normal, that you can move the whole brake like this. The video was made with the engine NOT running and the ram out at max 60mm.

Ralph
Santa Isabella, A54, #144


Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Joerg Esdorn
 

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello Scott,

1. You need to pull up the mouse line with the foam dampers to the masttop, while there is a line fixed at the lower end to pull it back in later.

2. You use the plain mouse line to pull in your new cable

3. Plull the damping line back in


That way we have been successfull. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 04:05 Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
Main

Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 10:03 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Main

Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 10:03 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Scott SV Tengah
 

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg
 

Hi Scott
This is what we found inside our mast when we had it down for maintanance.
All guide lines had loosened from the top and had fallen down inside the mast. Each line had a lot of soft closed cell pieces tighed on the lines probably to prevent noice. We hade never managed to get this out with the mast standing up.
The second channel is still jammed probably for the same reason


Hälsningar
Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 08:58 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

We just spent two days trying to get two cable pulled through the mizzen without any success. I saw a few threads about it but it seems we must be doing something wrong.

For our A54, there are two cable channels that seem to be built as part of the mizzen mast (one starboard, one port), leading to two small circular forward facing openings that you access through an inspection hatch located on the port side of the mast. No matter what we did, we couldn't pull cables through the mast. Things we've tried, all with unterminated cable:

- taped the new VHF/AIS cable to the old one at the masthead and tried to pull down. It went about halfway then got completely jammed to the point where we pulled so hard that the old VHF/AIS cable ripped in half.
- tried pulling the cables using the Amel installed nylon mousing lines from the mast base. We literally could not get the vhf/ais cable more than 5cm past the port side channel opening before it jammed up on something.-
- as a followup to this, we tried to tie a similarly thin 1.5mm line to the Amel mousing line at the mastbase and tried to pull it up the mast. Again, we couldn't get the 1.5mm line more than 5cm up the mast! 

Each of the two conduits has two mousing lines in it. One of the mousing lines has a few 2-3cm cylindrical foam gaskets (like the ones on our Goiot port lights) tied perpendicular to the mast. Any idea what these are for? There is clearly something inside the mast that is jamming the line, but I can't figure out what it is. 

FYI here are the two cables we are trying to pull through:

(1) RG8X replacement wire for a replacement AIS antenna
(2) GBC400 Iridium Go antenna lead (10mm!)

I think I'm going to give up on the second cable due to the thickness but I'm about to give up on the first one, too!

Any tips appreciated.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Scott SV Tengah
 

We just spent two days trying to get two cable pulled through the mizzen without any success. I saw a few threads about it but it seems we must be doing something wrong.

For our A54, there are two cable channels that seem to be built as part of the mizzen mast (one starboard, one port), leading to two small circular forward facing openings that you access through an inspection hatch located on the port side of the mast. No matter what we did, we couldn't pull cables through the mast. Things we've tried, all with unterminated cable:

- taped the new VHF/AIS cable to the old one at the masthead and tried to pull down. It went about halfway then got completely jammed to the point where we pulled so hard that the old VHF/AIS cable ripped in half.
- tried pulling the cables using the Amel installed nylon mousing lines from the mast base. We literally could not get the vhf/ais cable more than 5cm past the port side channel opening before it jammed up on something.-
- as a followup to this, we tried to tie a similarly thin 1.5mm line to the Amel mousing line at the mastbase and tried to pull it up the mast. Again, we couldn't get the 1.5mm line more than 5cm up the mast! 

Each of the two conduits has two mousing lines in it. One of the mousing lines has a few 2-3cm cylindrical foam gaskets (like the ones on our Goiot port lights) tied perpendicular to the mast. Any idea what these are for? There is clearly something inside the mast that is jamming the line, but I can't figure out what it is. 

FYI here are the two cables we are trying to pull through:

(1) RG8X replacement wire for a replacement AIS antenna
(2) GBC400 Iridium Go antenna lead (10mm!)

I think I'm going to give up on the second cable due to the thickness but I'm about to give up on the first one, too!

Any tips appreciated.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

Ralph Heilig
 

Thank's Bill, Courtney, Porter,

it realy looks like something is broken. Maud already shipped the new brake pads, which I will change anyhow when I remove the brake (picture below). I hope to get them this week and then next week demount the brake and inspect.

The tip's with the coin or washer are great, but in my case, when you watch the video, there seems to be something broken. I don't think that's normal, that you can move the whole brake like this. The video was made with the engine NOT running and the ram out at max 60mm.

Ralph
Santa Isabella, A54, #144


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

Porter McRoberts
 

We epoxied in a washer.  Great service for 10k NM. Don’t see a reason to change. 
Porter
Ibis 54-152


On Aug 2, 2020, at 4:38 PM, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <Itsfun1@...> wrote:

If the pads are not pressing enough A short-term fix is to place a quarter or similar coin where the ram press is to engage the brakes this will stop your shaft from spinning while Sailing and get rid of the irritating noise


On Aug 2, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Bill for your feedback!

I have ordered new brake pads from Maud. I also sent the video and waiting for a feedback.

I wanted to remove the whole brake but I have NO experience with hydraulics. Do I need a specialist for the hydraulic line to remove and remount? My fear is, if I decouple the hydraulic line from the braker I will lose hydraulic oil and air will get into the system. Also the two screws, that hold the brake on the bar look pretty hard to access.

So until now I could not evaluate the reason for the shaking. It is hard to find a marine mechanic in Italy with hydraulic disk brake know how....something very special.

Ralph


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

 

Ralph,

I can explain the hydraulic part to you. The brake release hydraulic cylinder gets the hydraulic fluid and pressure from the ZF Hurth reversing transmission mounted on the main engine output. There is a bleed screw on the cylinder that you cannot miss. You will want to bleed all air from the cylinder, replacing lost fluid by adding it to the ZF Hurth reversing transmission. Probably any engine mechanic will have no problem helping you. 

I would be surprised if Maud helps you diagnose your problem from the video. One more issue is that the last time one of my clients tried to order the style brake pads that you have, he was told by Amel that these are no longer available and the only thing my client could do is order the entire new brake unit (photo in my previous email). This new brake unit does not fit exactly the same pattern as the older one, so there are some minor modifications needed to install the new one, again an engine mechanic will be able to help. 

I looked at the video again. I believe that there is something mechanically wrong and it has nothing to do with hydraulics, or worn brake shoes (which look good in the video). Possibly you would see the problem if you removed the bolt circled in the photo below. Maybe it is something simple.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 12:28 PM Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Bill for your feedback!

I have ordered new brake pads from Maud. I also sent the video and waiting for a feedback.

I wanted to remove the whole brake but I have NO experience with hydraulics. Do I need a specialist for the hydraulic line to remove and remount? My fear is, if I decouple the hydraulic line from the braker I will lose hydraulic oil and air will get into the system. Also the two screws, that hold the brake on the bar look pretty hard to access.

So until now I could not evaluate the reason for the shaking. It is hard to find a marine mechanic in Italy with hydraulic disk brake know how....something very special.

Ralph