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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

I’m in contact with a 3-D printing company in Annapolis.  I’ll send one to them as soon as I get back to the boat in 2 weeks, and let you know what they say.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:43 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Looks like a job for somebody with a 3D printer...  


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Volvo temperature sensor

greatketch@...
 

Does anyone have a part number/source for the two wire temperature sensor on the TMD22? Not the high temperature alarm switch, I need the sender for the temperature gauge?


The "standard" Volvo part was a single wire sensor, and even that one is apparently no longer available from Volvo..


Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Martin;

It is unfortunate that you are having so many issues with your Climma. Ours also has been working without any issues in the past 3 years that we have owned her.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
AMEL 54 #099
B&B KOKOMO 

On Jul 5, 2018, at 12:17 AM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Maybe it’s the newer units on Trippin 2008 54 #101 no problem with heat or AC we are the 3rd owners original equipment 

So sorry for your difficulties 
Courtney 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Peter: 

See this link to the photos section of this forum for details and specifications on this replacement:


If the link doesn't work then go to the photos section and search for holding tank, or valve etc.  There is file folder on this issue.  I do wish folks would post all related photos in folders with appropriate searchable titles rather than by boat name etc.  

I would recommend "marine brass"  or "naval brass" (silver colored valves like Amel originally installed), rather than regular brass valve.  See this link for why this is more resistant to dezincification etc.  http://www.nationalbronze.com/News/what-is-naval-brass/
 The fittings, as noted in the photo file, are BPSS  (British straight pipe thread) so you must use a sealant that will harden somewhat or the new valve will rotate when you actuate the handle.

Good luck, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335   
Just completing hurricane repairs, sitting next to a sister ship,  Amel # 331 "Cloud Street" at Island Marine Inc, at Puerto Del Rey, Puerto Rico



Re: ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Mark Isaac
 

Hello Peter,

I just did this job a couple of months ago with the boat in the water.  It was not as difficult or unpleasant as I had expected.  The valve you need can be purchased on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00TUNX1IQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I took the toilet out (three or four bolts on the base and two hoses to remove) for better access only because a large wrench is required to break the valve free.  The gelcoat must be chipped from the base of the valve prior to removal not only so your wrench will fit, but also so the valve will turn more easily.  There is a male pipe fitting glassed into the hull onto which the female side of the valve threads.  A plastic piece with a hose barb threads into the other side of the valve (I reused mine).  Don't forget the pipe dope or teflon tape as well as the bonding wire.

Mark Isaac
Lulu, SM#391
South Freeport, Maine
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

greatketch@...
 

Looks like a job for somebody with a 3D printer...  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: SM stern bumper

greatketch@...
 

Last I heard (18 months ago) there were back in stock at Amel. That's when we got ours.

I had heard described people who had replacements made of painted wood.  A not unreasonable alternative. Certainly easier to replace after a rough bump than FRP!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

James Studdart
 

You should also check the “sensor” part of the pressure switch. Unscrew it from the rest of the pump and look down the short pipe where the water presses on the switch. We replaced ours but I cleaned up the old one as a spare... it’s now doing good service on a friends SM.

Cheers,
James
SeaBean, SM344
Vava’u, Tonga

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:36 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The company Square D makes a wide selection of pressure switches that would be suitable. Pick your liquid connection size, and your pressure range, and your are good to go.

Like the original, the are simple, robust, mechanical. They are widely available at least in the US.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

Hi Miles,  and Hi to Carol,

May the Fourth be with you all!

I will look into the possibility of having some made. I will get back to the group when I find something out.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 4, 2018, at 11:53 AM, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Kent,

I have replaced the broken spring on two of my handles with bits of rubber from a child’s play ball.   It works most of the time, but if someone wants to investigate having some made, I would like to join in.

Regards,

 

Miles

s/y Ladybug, sm 216, on a mooring in Newport, RI


SM stern bumper

william_maffei@...
 

After 4 years, the stern bumper on my SM was lost at sea. She was in rough shape and lived a long life. Wondering if anyone had one they wanted to get rid of or had any luck getting a new one from Amel. I read somewhere that a member waited 2 years for one. Thoughts?


Bill Maffei

It's all Good 

SM #195


ball valve on outlet of holding tank replacement

Peter de Groot
 

Greetings all,

 Last weekend we needed to close the holding tanks for an overnight anchorage close to shore, and the forward tank valve would not budge.  After multiple days of penetrating fluid treatment, I broke the stem off. The valves had been left open for over 9 months.  The aft holding tank valve moved freely.


I was about to attempt to remove the broken valve, but realized this could get ugly very quickly.  So I'm asking the group if anyone has had to do this delightful job, and if so are there any tips?

Also, I would love to have a replacement valve in hand before removing the broken one.  Has anyone sourced these?

Does anyone have a complete specification? thread type? inch or metric or BSP tapered?

What is the connection to the hull?  fiberglass to a male threaded nipple? then nipple to valve? It seems that there might be a risk of damaging the hull connection so I would like to understand the construction technique Amel used.


It seems the valve is at or just above the waterline...so I'm being a little more cautious than I usually am.


I'm also weighing the possible advantage of taking out the toilet and cubby hole paneling in order to get better access to the valve.  This also doesn't seem very straight forward.


Thanks in advance for any guidance.


Peter de Groot

La Querida SM 207

Moss Landing, California



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Maybe it’s the newer units on Trippin 2008 54 #101 no problem with heat or AC we are the 3rd owners original equipment 
So sorry for your difficulties 
Courtney 


On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA



Re: CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Martin, I can relate my experience and opinion on the air conditioning on my 54. I am not interested in entering into a debate but offer my opinion only.
Four years ago I replaced the a/c in the main cabin with a unit from Flagship Marine from Stuart Florida, on recommendation from a trusted friend. The unit is terrible. Too noisy, much vibration, it cycles and you hear the loud on and off of the compressor, and related to the limited ducting, there is not enough air flow to cool well enough. I often do not run it because it is so annoying.
This past winter I was In Martinique and the day before my scheduled departure the aft cabin unit failed. The salt air had rotted the fins and the gas leaked out, it was trash. The local provider, Caraibe Marine, had on hand a unit and installed it in my time frame, so there was no shopping for the right unit, I bought what was available. It is a Frigomar, self contained unit referred to as the inverter series. It is the BEST! Whisper quiet. It is powered by the 230 volt already there, 50 or 60 Hz., but the fan and compressor both are DC variable speed drives, so no noise and no large current draw at start. It starts very slow and quiet, ramps up to what is needed, can cool the aft cabin so you could hang meat.
I like it so well, if I were in a place where I could have it done, and cost was no object, I would replace both the other units with like systems.
It does include heat pump heat. I have never used heat on my boat as I have always been in the tropics, so I can not comment on the heat.
I would be happy to answer any questions if you want to email me direct.

Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31
currently stored in Raiatea, French Polynesia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Bill and Martin:

For clarity and when referring to my last email on this where I used the term "dual cycle", I was talking about dual cycle in the context of 50/60Hz (not heating and cooling).


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 5:28 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: Freshwater Pump - pressure sensing mechanical switch

greatketch@...
 

The company Square D makes a wide selection of pressure switches that would be suitable. Pick your liquid connection size, and your pressure range, and your are good to go.

Like the original, the are simple, robust, mechanical. They are widely available at least in the US.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill K,

We chose the “reverse cycle” and used it often when wintering in SO Italy.  

However, as you state, we rarely use ti.

:-)

JPG, SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Tahiti.

On 4 Jul 2018, at 11:28, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.  

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

greatketch@...
 

Actually it was Bill R who commented on the reverse cycle.

Fortunately I mostly agree. I wouldn’t pay extra for reverse cycle, and we have never used it on our units. Of course we tend to stay where it is warm!

I don’t think having the reverse cycle adds a significant failure point however. So I don’t see having it installed is a downside. The biggest risk is that the reverse valve sticks and you are stuck forever cooling.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Gang,

We installed Webasto AC in 2015 and are very pleased with the performance… except for the poor installation done by the turkeys in Turkey… works well after a review by Webasto tech.

Don’t ask ….

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Tahiti French Polynesia


On 4 Jul 2018, at 10:13, Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Webasto FCF Platinum. Three 10,000 BTU units. 220/40V. 50/60Hz. This is one of the few brands that still have the dual rating.

March brand AC-5C-MD pump. 1000 gph located on floor next to fresh water pump in engine room.

Locations. One fwd cabin (beneath fwd part of the v-berth). One in main salon (aft portside corner of the horseshoe). One in aft head (behind toilet).

Draws about 14-15 amps when all units are running.

Total price for all of the above (not including other supplies) when ordered from Defender and delivered to Florida was about $5800.

To reiterate, it is still early in the lifecycle of these units and Bill Rouse's advice is spot on. It's impossible for me to say when they will begin to show signs of age. But I know that AMEL Martinique does install this brand. And frankly, if they only worked as long as CLIMMA then at least they can be replaced and the total amount spent for two sets of units (here in North America) would only equal the cost of ONE set of CLIMMAs.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA










Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

I agree with Bill K. about dual cycle and it's one of the reasons we chose Webasto. Before deciding on this brand, I talked or met with many if the major manufacturers and several installers. Many installers say it's OK but most manufacturers are increasingly backing away from marketing or endorsing their products for dual cycle usage. 

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 12:34 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Our boat had the CoastalAir units installed.  The one in the main saloon is still going strong (after 23 years), the aft cabin unit died 2 years ago when the check valve in the compressor stuck.


We replaced it with one from MarinAire.  Pretty much a drop in replacement if you use the 8000BTU unit for the aft cabin.  

Nothing to report, other than it works as needed--when needed.  Price was excellent.  Delivery was quick from Florida.  Engineering looks good.  Time will tell...

No matter which unit you use, it helps to be sure that the system will work on either 50 or 60 hz systems.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] CLIMMA AC on AMEL 54

Ian Townsend
 

Webasto FCF Platinum. Three 10,000 BTU units. 220/40V. 50/60Hz. This is one of the few brands that still have the dual rating.

March brand AC-5C-MD pump. 1000 gph located on floor next to fresh water pump in engine room.

Locations. One fwd cabin (beneath fwd part of the v-berth). One in main salon (aft portside corner of the horseshoe). One in aft head (behind toilet).

Draws about 14-15 amps when all units are running.

Total price for all of the above (not including other supplies) when ordered from Defender and delivered to Florida was about $5800.

To reiterate, it is still early in the lifecycle of these units and Bill Rouse's advice is spot on. It's impossible for me to say when they will begin to show signs of age. But I know that AMEL Martinique does install this brand. And frankly, if they only worked as long as CLIMMA then at least they can be replaced and the total amount spent for two sets of units (here in North America) would only equal the cost of ONE set of CLIMMAs.


Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153

On Jul 4, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Ian,


Yes please , I would be happy to receive some more information!

Anybody with some longterm experience?

Von meinem iPad gesendet

Am 04.07.2018 um 15:46 schrieb Ian Townsend smlocalola@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Martin:

We installed Webasto brand AC in September 2017 in our SM. Three 10,000 BTU units. We have used them in Florida for a total of five months and in the Bahamas for about one month. They have a good reputation in North America and I am impressed with their performance and reliability so far (bearing in mind, they have only seen six months of service). Let me know if you want any further details.

Ian
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, Florida

On Jul 4, 2018, at 9:32 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello everybody,


I am sick and tired of my CLIMMA AC`s on CHIARA. They are constantly quitting their service. I had repaired them so many times since I bought CHIARA new in 2010: electronics defect, fan defect, heater defect, leaks and leaks and leaks........


Does anybody have experience with a new generation of CLIMMA ACs (if there is any) or even better: with a more reliable brand? 

Fit? Installation? Reliability?


I am ready to get rid of them.


Martin

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA