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Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

Arno Luijten
 

There is a recent episode of Delos where Brian shows you how he repacks the rudder gland. It one of the episodes where they do boatwork on Grenada,


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

The point is that I wanted to also the EM boxes available as a backup. Also I wanted to protection to work both on furling and unfurling. I did think about the argument that the majority of power is dissipated when furling, but if something snags it might as well be when unfurling.

The staysail on our Amel only has 2 wires from the remote switch and no 24 volt feed line to the switch from the sail locker. I also did not like to use the 6 pin plug for both the connection of the furler as the connection of the remote switch. Using separate plugs makes troubleshooting easier.

This combined with the additional functionality of the local switch and status LEDs made me come up with this installation. I did not say there were no other ways of doing it. They all have drawbacks.

Arno


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

eric freedman
 

Hi Thomas,

I install the packing with a axel grease on the rudder post and the perimeter of the inside of the stuffing box.

I drive the stuffing down with a large diameter piece if PVC pipe and a small sledge hammer until the packing bottoms out.

Over the years I have had the top few threads of the stuffing box strip.

This fall I had a 10 mm thick round piece of fiberglass made  with the inside formed around the nut, thus threaded.

Its outside diameter is about the same as the stuffing box.

It was fixed in place with epoxy and screws. I now have a stuffing box with 5 pieces of packing.

Having 5 pieces of packing also allows 4 pieces to be changed in the water.

 

If you have a big shop vac you can also change all the packing while in the water with some weight moved to the bow.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Stuffing Box

 

Hi Thomas,

As an opinion, I would not relaunch before getting a solution.  So it works on launch... how about in 2 years??

 

Good luck

 

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 10:32 Thomas Kleman, <lorient422@...> wrote:

Yes- I removed all three rings.....probably original to the boat. When I put three of the Amel supplied rings in, the nut won't grab the stuffing box. I'm going back in the water soon so we will see if it leaks.


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

James Alton
 

Thomas,

  IMO the plastic threads on the packing nut are not really strong enough to compress all of the packing until you have a few threads engaged.  You might try pressing your new packing into the groove using some other creative means. Just don’t damage the packing or the threads.  It can help to compress one ring at a time getting the first two rings fully bottomed before adding the third, the packing nut should work to compress the first two rings.  Then when you install the plastic packing nut but sure that it is not cross threaded and give it a little gentle help compressing the packing by installing some wedges between the quadrant and the nut. Be sure that the threads on the packing nut have not be damaged from your first attempt.  

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueno

On Feb 17, 2019, at 4:32 PM, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Yes- I removed all three rings.....probably original to the boat. When I put three of the Amel supplied rings in, the nut won't grab the stuffing box. I'm going back in the water soon so we will see if it leaks.


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

Dave Ritten <daveritten@...>
 

If the thread is stripped you could try Loctite Thread Repair

https://www.amazon.com/Loctite-442-28654-4-80ml-Thread-Stripped/dp/B000WSEUII




Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Thomas,
As an opinion, I would not relaunch before getting a solution.  So it works on launch... how about in 2 years??

Good luck

On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 10:32 Thomas Kleman, <lorient422@...> wrote:
Yes- I removed all three rings.....probably original to the boat. When I put three of the Amel supplied rings in, the nut won't grab the stuffing box. I'm going back in the water soon so we will see if it leaks.


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

Thomas Kleman
 

Yes- I removed all three rings.....probably original to the boat. When I put three of the Amel supplied rings in, the nut won't grab the stuffing box. I'm going back in the water soon so we will see if it leaks.


Re: New Group

amelforme
 

To Bill and his exalted team of tech cronies, fantastic work. Just got a few minutes today to play around with the new AYOG and it is a clear improvement in every way.

 

Thanks for your efforts. They are appreciated by one and all more than you will ever know. Thanks again.

 

All The Best, Joel

 

          JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 


Re: Rudder Stuffing Box

Jean-Pierre Germain <jp.germain45@...>
 


Hello Thomas,

Did you remove all the old stuffing material?  There should be 3 rings with the ends butting 120 degrees apart.

I also use plenty of waterproof silicone grease when installing the packing nut.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM 007,
Opua, NZ



On 18 Feb 2019, at 09:44, Thomas Kleman <lorient422@...> wrote:

Was down to my last quarter turn on the plastic nut so decided to repack the stuffing box while on the hard. Quadrant was seized and needed 6 hours and a custom made puller tool to get it off. Then pulled out the stuffing and repacked it. Tapped it down and all seemed good...except nut now encounters stuffing too high in box to grab......stuffing is mashed down so I guess top part of box is stripped. Its not the nut (I have three and tried all of them). For now I have two rings of stuffing in and ironically Im back to one quarter turn left on the nut......and a day of my life gone. Ideas ?


Rudder Stuffing Box

Thomas Kleman
 

Was down to my last quarter turn on the plastic nut so decided to repack the stuffing box while on the hard. Quadrant was seized and needed 6 hours and a custom made puller tool to get it off. Then pulled out the stuffing and repacked it. Tapped it down and all seemed good...except nut now encounters stuffing too high in box to grab......stuffing is mashed down so I guess top part of box is stripped. Its not the nut (I have three and tried all of them). For now I have two rings of stuffing in and ironically Im back to one quarter turn left on the nut......and a day of my life gone. Ideas ?


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

I don't get the confusion on the new Bamar furler electronic connection.
I just did the change to the new EJF1. The wiring scheme on the (if I remember correctly) 7 pin plug was 2 thermal leads to 2 pins, 3 leads to the furler to control the in/out to 2 pins, with 1 of those pins having 2 wires attached to 1 pin, and the 2 switch leads to 2 other pins. There was 1 unused pin. Plug it in (after the hot +/-)in and +/-out to the furler) are connected, and you're done. This wiring was confirmed by Paul from Bamar. 
I'm not on the boat, but will be Monday. I can tell you which pin #s to connect the wires to if I looked at the wiring scheme in the manual. It works just fine. No extra switches or anything.
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 11:38 AM, Mark Mueller wrote:

An alternative connection scheme: I ran into this problem when changing over to the new Bamar about 7 months ago.  After several conversations with Paul and him communicating with Bamar’s engineers an alternative connection plan was utilized.

 

Assuming that majority of the power is utilized when furling and therefore heat generated I connected the thermal cut-off switch in series with the “Furl” switch.  If the motor overheats when furling the thermal overload opens and protects the motor.  All the connections were made in the new control box mounted in the forepeak with no additional interface necessary. 

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54

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How to Edit a Post

Mark McGovern
 

One of the nice new features that we got from moving from Yahoo Groups to Groups.io is the ability to edit your posts AFTER they have been posted.  We've had a few questions from Group members on how to do that so I decided to make this post showing you how to edit your posts.  NOTE:  You can even edit posts that you made years earlier on the Yahoo Group!  
 
1.  Go to the post you want to edit
2.  Click the "More" Option circled in RED in the picture below:
 
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3.  Click on the "EDIT MESSAGE" option shown below circled in RED
 
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4.  Wait for the Edit Message window to pop open and edit the message:
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5.  To save your changes click one of the two (2) buttons circled in RED below.  The one on the far left called "Save and Send to Group" will save the changes AND will send an email message to the group about the edit.  The one to the right of that called "Save without Sending" just saves the changes but does NOT send an email to the group about the edit.
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I hope that helps.  Let me know if you have any more questions.
 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: New Group

Kaplan,Andre
 

To Bill and his colleagues who moved this forum to groups.io...
I would like to extend my sincere thanks for your efforts in this endeavor. This platform is far easier for me to use and has opened up previously hard to find data.
Nice Job!
Andre Kaplan
Mango 71 88


On Feb 17, 2019, at 2:12 PM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

This is a test message.  Ignore me!

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Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

An alternative connection scheme: I ran into this problem when changing over to the new Bamar about 7 months ago.  After several conversations with Paul and him communicating with Bamar’s engineers an alternative connection plan was utilized.

 

Assuming that majority of the power is utilized when furling and therefore heat generated I connected the thermal cut-off switch in series with the “Furl” switch.  If the motor overheats when furling the thermal overload opens and protects the motor.  All the connections were made in the new control box mounted in the forepeak with no additional interface necessary. 

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Alex,

Well, planning 10 months in the the future is almost impossible in the Caribbean but nothing spectacular happens (like a Hurricane or so) I will be happy to help.

It will be interesting to see the differences between our 54’s. What build number do you have?

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Additional solar location?

smiles bernard
 

A big thanks to all who replied to this

I’ve got some great ideas to work with and a good project to get started with on the ‘nice to do soon’ list

Many thanks
Miles


Apologies

 

When we were testing Groups.io, I wanted to test the Groups.io Facebook integration because I had hoped to integrate Dimitris Krasopoulos' excellent Amel Owners Group Facebook Group. Dimitris was all for it, and Mark McGovern, Gary Wells, Mark Erdos, and Danny Simms were in agreement. 

So, I tested it with the Facebook Page that I controlled...it worked fine during the test.

Today I made some changes to that Facebook Page and each change posted in our new Amel Yacht Owners Group. I am embarrassed and sorry for the mistake. I can't undo it, but I have deleted those automatic postings, and changed the settings so that it will not happen again.

The rest of the story is, even though the test worked great from a facebook Page, it does not work from a Facebook Group...and Dimitris has a group located at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/amelyachtowners/
--
 
Best,
 
Bill Rouse


Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Alexander Ramseyer
 

Hi Arno,
would you eventually assist me with the electrics if I came to St. Martin to do the job in the Nov/December timeframe?

I could bring you things from the U.S. if needed..

Best regards, Alex
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Am 16.02.19, 06:44, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> schrieb:

Yes FKG did the mechanics. I did all electrics myself.
Haven’t been out sailing yet but they seem to have done a good job.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121



Re: New furlers on an Amel 54

Arno Luijten
 

Yes FKG did the mechanics. I did all electrics myself.
Haven’t been out sailing yet but they seem to have done a good job.

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: Requesting advice marinas in Puerto Rico and St. Thomas

James Cromie
 

Thank you Gary.  Yes, I experienced a bit of sticker shock with the St. Thomas rates.  
-James

On Feb 15, 2019, at 11:08 AM, Gary Wells <gary@...> wrote:

I know that in St. Thomas things will be expensive.  Crown Bay Marina came in at $4.15 per foot per day, with our a slight discount for monthly rates.  Yacht Haven Grande is higher and I'm not sure about American Yacht Harbor in Red Hook.
With the ease of ferry access, it might be worth it.to consider Nanny Cay ($1.85/ft) or even Virgin Gorda Yacht Harbor ($1.30/ft) in the BVIs.

Only caveat there is that you'll need to import your boat ($202) if you plan on staying more than 30 cumulative days in the BVIs in a year. 

Cheers!
Gary W
SV Adagio, SM #209
St. Thomas (at anchor :)

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