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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi Ken,

Good to see your usage of FLS is like mine; like everything else electronic, what is really needed?

I have hit the reef twice; lightly in both cases... in Fiji.  First time was in a buoyed channel near northern Taveuni and it was reported to Navionics as it was not shown on any chart and the second time was on exit from Fulanga with a 5 knot following current.  Just a glancing hit.  Reported to Navionics as well.  Perhaps added to their database by now.

Greets to Z.  Stay safe.


Jean-Pierre Germain



On 30 Sep 2020, at 04:44, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:

Hello James,

I like the fact that the Echo Pilot is completely separate from the rest of the navigation equipment.  I would like a radar overlay on the chart plotter, but not the FLS.  You can spend more to have an integrated system, but I'm not sure it's useful for the FLS.  When I am in shallow water, I have the Echo Pilot going, and a few maps running.  Got my airplane pilot scan going, 1sec per screen, and then out of the cockpit... and repeat.  The FLS is just one of the inputs.  

Is this the best?  That, I could not say, because this is all I know.  Echo Pilot is easy to install, easy to use, and easy to set up.  Once set up, if the FLS needs more than an on off button that's too much.  For this reason, It's the best for me.

Ken
Aquarius SM2K#262


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Mark Erdos
 

You may find this a good read:

 

 

https://www.pbo.co.uk/gear/5-forward-looking-sonar-tested-29321

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Hello James,

I like the fact that the Echo Pilot is completely separate from the rest of the navigation equipment.  I would like a radar overlay on the chart plotter, but not the FLS.  You can spend more to have an integrated system, but I'm not sure it's useful for the FLS.  When I am in shallow water, I have the Echo Pilot going, and a few maps running.  Got my airplane pilot scan going, 1sec per screen, and then out of the cockpit... and repeat.  The FLS is just one of the inputs.  

Is this the best?  That, I could not say, because this is all I know.  Echo Pilot is easy to install, easy to use, and easy to set up.  Once set up, if the FLS needs more than an on off button that's too much.  For this reason, It's the best for me.

Ken
Aquarius SM2K#262


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Gang,

When I decided to integrate an FLS, I chose a Raymarine unit.  Integrates perfectly with the rest of the electronics and displays on either of my 2 plotters.

Additionally, having sailed in close company for many days, I would say Raymarine system compares favourably with Interphase with good data reception up to 2.5 knots SOG.  Obviously, the same restrictions apply in waters obscured by sediments etc.

Kind regards,


Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ




On 29 Sep 2020, at 07:14, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I thinking of  install an Echopilot but can't find the real performance difference between the Platinum an the FLS 2D, the Platinum cost about 1500 € and has no screen and NMA0183 and video S  so can be connected to a MFD given it has an Video S port. the FLS cost 1200 € and has it' own screen. Looks like the FLS is better value but ....
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: SM - How to remove the bumper

Mark McGovern
 
Edited

Phillipe,

The bumper is held in place by four (4) M8 bolts that are molded into the bumper.  You can see the four mounting holes for the bumper bolts in the picture below:  



You access the nuts from the aft lazarette. 

Unfortunately, you do not have access to the heads of the bolts since they are molded into the bumper.  So if there is any corrosion on the nuts and bolt, the bolts will just end up spinning inside the bumper.  At that point you will just have to pull the bumper off the bolt(s) and then re-seat them.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

James Alton
 

Ken,

   A great educated/ personal review of FLS.   Your logic concerning the value and useage of FLS seems sound to me.  This is timely as I am looking at adding FLS to our boat.  Recognizing that this seems to be a still developing technology, may I ask you if you feel that the unit that you have installed on Aquarius is the best unit to consider?

Stay safe and keep having fun out there! We have really enjoyed your videos.

James and Joann
SV Sueno
Maramu #220


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Tue, Sep 29, 2020 5:14 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Z and I have sailed a fairly good distance on Aquarius, and we touched the reef one time...  And that was when I didn't follow the guidance of my FLS.  All the maps said 2.5M, and we were at high tide..  Well, it was less than 2M, and I thought the FLS was wrong because it was saying 1.5M in front of me....  I was wrong, FLS was right, but luckily I only go .5KTS in those situations and was just a light bump and we backed out...  Now, I always listen to the FLS...  

There are Captains out there that will say, "I circled the globe without GPS, Who needs that"!   It's like some people want to prove they are better than others because they don't rely on such technology. "I just stick my wife up there, and she can spot everything". I don't use my FLS........  Great!

Last night I talked to another captain here in Thailand over a drink, and he was telling me the story about another captain he met that complained about other sailors that had to rely on their GPS... WHAT?  It's a device that when used properly, can make you safer captain. 

Here is my OPINION......  IF IT WILL MAKE YOU SAFER, AND IT's EASY TO USE, AND YOU WILL USE IT.  YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT GETTING IT.   For that old sailor that thought GPS was useless, just think how safe he would be with a GPS, and the knowledge on how to use it properly...  All that old sailing knowledge, along with all the new tech, now that's what I would call... SAFE!  My friend said that he never again sailed with the old captain that didn't want to use a GPS.  

I have been saved twice by my forward looking sonar (FLS) "Echo Pilot".  I have several videos that show how I use the Echo Pilot when I am in shallow water, or potentially shallow water on our channel.  The Echo Pilotl helps me understand the shape of the bottom at and anchorage, or when I am trying to work my way in a narrow shallow channel.  Now, Yes, you can stick someone up on the bow....  That might be good idea in some cases.... BUT, in the Tuamotu Archipelago you might think twice about leaving you wife up on the bow for 5 hours as you make your way across one of the Atolls.   And, is she going to be sharp the entire time?  One of our friends hit the reef in the Tuamotu's, and they thought they were being safe.  Someone on lookout on the bow, but just a few second not watching after 4 hours of not seeing a thing, and WHAM they hit the reef.  Had to patch the hole, and head to Tahiti to get hauled out and repaired.  A nice $10K and 3 months later, everything good.  I was crossing one of the Atols, and my Alarm went off, I could see the reef in front of me on the FLS, and immediately applied full reverse, and we came within 10Ms of the reef.... Since I can only see what is directly in front of me, I don't try to turn, I just back out.   Aquarius would have hit that day.  I would like to add.....Sometimes the glare on the water makes it difficult to see the reef, but not for the FLS.  And.....Sometimes the clouds make it difficult to see the reef systems.  And, if the water is really clear... EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT's 2M deep, then what do you do?  So, I guess you can stick someone up on the bow, and do you feel lucky.  Because they might not see it...   Fact is, you have the best chance of seeing the reef with someone up on the bow, and and FLS.   But, the person on the bow will get fatigued over time, and this will reduce the effectiveness of the watch.   $1500...  That's my 2cents....

I still think if you're going to cross oceans and sail new places...  Get an FLS that is easy to use, and you get good information...  I have one, and have been very happy with it.  Quite disappointed when we hit a log off Columbia and cracked my transducer.  It was down for several months....

Downsides to FLS.. Sometimes they will not work if there is heavy sediment in the water sometimes I was not able to get the depth for unto 5 minutes or so..  You can also get weird readings in fast currents with sediment in the water, or when looking into Prop Wash from a large vessel or tugboat.  But, you will get used to reading the prop wash with experience.

Ken Powers
Aquarius 
Super Maramu 262


Re: Main mast Antennas

Slavko Despotovic
 

Thank you Arnold.

Slavko


Re: generator pcb board

Barry Connor
 

Thank you Jeff,

Early this year my Onan generator was giving trouble and I thought that it might be the PCB, it was the 2 relays which I changed. I have  ordered from your supplier so now Arkansas Valley Diesel Service are only showing one left available on Ebay. The delivery time to Florida seems very slow, I hope that they still have this board and they don't have to source it!
Last year I had to have my Desallator board fixed, was lucky that Desallator, Antibes had a person in Holland who did this for them as the boards for the 220v Desallator are not available.
As our boats age we will find many more parts that are becoming rare.
This forum is actually the best, I doubt any other boat builder has anything to match.
Thank you also Bill for all your assistance. 

Hope the Colombian contact can assist.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique

On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 7:29:58 AM EDT, JEFFREY KRAUS <jmkraus@...> wrote:


Eric,
I'll call you this week


Re: Amel 55 sea chest strainer part#

Billy Newport
 

Thanks John
Looks like a vetus ftr1320, confirming with Amel before ordering.


Re: generator pcb board

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Eric,
I'll call you this week


SM - How to remove the bumper

Philippe Chatton
 

Dear all,
I came across interesting messages on how to treat and repaint the bumper.     
I plan to do this in the near future but would like first to take it off.
Could one of you advise on the steps to remove the bumper - have no clue on how the bumper is attached to the hull.       
Thanks!
Philippe
SM 445 Antibes FR  


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 
Edited

Z and I have sailed a fairly good distance on Aquarius, and we touched the reef one time...  And that was when I didn't follow the guidance of my FLS.  All the maps said 2.5M, and we were at high tide..  Well, it was less than 2M, and I thought the FLS was wrong because it was saying 1.5M in front of me....  I was wrong, FLS was right, but luckily I only go .5KTS in those situations and was just a light bump and we backed out...  Now, I always listen to the FLS...  

There are Captains out there that will say, "I circled the globe without GPS, Who needs that"!   It's like some people want to prove they are better than others because they don't rely on such technology. "I just stick my wife up there, and she can spot everything". I don't use my FLS........  Great!

Last night I talked to another captain here in Thailand over a drink, and he was telling me the story about another captain he met that complained about other sailors that had to rely on their GPS... WHAT?  It's a device that when used properly, can make you safer captain. 


Here is my OPINION......  IF IT WILL MAKE YOU SAFER, AND IT's EASY TO USE, AND YOU WILL USE IT.  YOU SHOULD PROBABLY THINK ABOUT GETTING IT.   For that old sailor that thought GPS was useless, just think how safe he would be with a GPS, and the knowledge on how to use it properly...  All that old sailing knowledge, along with all the new tech, now that's what I would call... SAFE!  My friend said that he never again sailed with the old captain that didn't want to use a GPS.  

I have been saved twice by my forward looking sonar (FLS) "Echo Pilot".  I have several videos that show how I use the Echo Pilot when I am in shallow water, or potentially shallow water on our channel.  The Echo Pilotl helps me understand the shape of the bottom at and anchorage, or when I am trying to work my way in a narrow shallow channel.  Now, Yes, you can stick someone up on the bow....  That might be good idea in some cases.... BUT, in the Tuamotu Archipelago you might think twice about leaving you wife up on the bow for 5 hours as you make your way across one of the Atolls.   And, is she going to be sharp the entire time?  One of our friends hit the reef in the Tuamotu's, and they thought they were being safe.  Someone on lookout on the bow, but just a few second not watching after 4 hours of not seeing a thing, and WHAM they hit the reef.  Had to patch the hole, and head to Tahiti to get hauled out and repaired.  A nice $10K and 3 months later, everything good.  I was crossing one of the Atols, and my Alarm went off, I could see the reef in front of me on the FLS, and immediately applied full reverse, and we came within 10Ms of the reef.... Since I can only see what is directly in front of me, I don't try to turn, I just back out.   Aquarius would have hit that day.  I would like to add.....Sometimes the glare on the water makes it difficult to see the reef, but not for the FLS.  And.....Sometimes the clouds make it difficult to see the reef systems.  And, if the water is really clear... EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT's 2M deep, then what do you do?  So, I guess you can stick someone up on the bow, and do you feel lucky.  Because they might not see it...   Fact is, you have the best chance of seeing the reef with someone up on the bow, and and FLS.   But, the person on the bow will get fatigued over time, and this will reduce the effectiveness of the watch.   $1500...  That's my 2cents....

I still think if you're going to cross oceans and sail new places...  Get an FLS that is easy to use, and you get good information...  I have one, and have been very happy with it.  Quite disappointed when we hit a log off Columbia and cracked my transducer.  It was down for several months....

Downsides to FLS.. Sometimes an FLS will not work if there is heavy sediment in the water.  I have had times when I was not able to get the depth for up to 5 minutes in some areas..  You can also get weird readings in fast currents with sediment in the water, or when looking into Prop Wash from a large vessel or tugboat.  But, you will get used to reading the prop wash with experience.

Ken Powers
Aquarius 
Super Maramu 262


Re: Indicator lamp 24V panel

Arnold Mente
 

Thank You so much!!!

Am 28.09.2020 um 20:53 schrieb Ryan Meador <ryan.d.meador@...>:

On our boat, they're 8mm.  I used this LED to replace the pressure water indicator and it worked great.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:35 AM Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Amelians,
 
does anyone know the diameter for the signal lights of pressurized water and bilge pump on the 24V panel of the SM?
 
Thanks for the help, I'm far away from the boat at the moment.
 
 
-- 
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203



Arnold Mente

Urbaniweg 12
7000 Eisenstadt 

Tel: +43 660 6699019

arnold.mente@...




--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Bottom paint

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Pat,
Regarding your keel blasting and refinishing, I'd recommend you review Joel's "classic" post #2960 (and 2964 and 2116). (Just type the number in the "Msg #" box above.)

Plus you could review this Petit Technical Bulletin specifying only one coat of Rustlok, followed within 1/2 to 2 hours by three coats of Petit High Build Epoxy Primer, then fairing as needed with 7050 EZ Fair, then two coats of antifouling with a Petit product.

Note the Technical Bulletin does not call for any barrier coat, because, of course, this is cast iron, not fiberglass.

Joel's posts advise to stick to one manufacturer's system, so if you start with Petit, stay with Petit. And the key to all is to get the first coat (Rustlok) applied within minutes after sandblasting. 

Good luck with the project - and thanks for arranging the new rub rails - I'm picking mine up tomorrow.
Best,
Craig -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Bottom paint

Patrick McAneny
 

The bottom of my keel is going to be sand blasted in a few day,I will immediately apply several coats of Petit Rustlok ,followed by several coats of barrier coat and then a couple of coats of bottom paint. I have used Sea Hawk Biocop before and their Cukote also. They say to compare it to Micron CSC ,which is like $80 Gal. compared to $210. for Cukote ,big difference when you are talking about six gallons. Has anyone used CSC and would they use it again? I need a paint good for salt and fresh water,any recommendations.
BTW , the new rub rails are being shipped today ,for you owners that were part of the group purchase.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Amel 55 sea chest strainer part#

John Clanton
 

Billy,

 

The sea chest and strainer are made by Vetus, although the top is a special Amel adaptation.  A quick look on ebay under “vetus strainer” yields a number of different options.

 

 

John

S/V Devereux, A55, No.65

Currently in Antibes



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Amel 55 sea chest strainer part#

Billy Newport
 

We were cleaning our sea chest strainer for first time since getting the boat and it was pretty dirty but the upper lip on the strainer was also broken and taped back on by previous owner. I'm having trouble contacting Amel for spares whether by email yesterday or by phone, noone answered today.

Is there a spares web site where parts can be ordered or does anyone know if a 3rd party supplies the sea strainer?

Thanks
Billy


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

I have a forward looking sonar. It came with the boat. I have used it only a handful of times in the San Blas Islands and now in French Poly. It is a very expensive item that can easily be substituted by a person on the bow.

 

Just my 2 cents but I think you are better off reading the water colors and with a bow lookout rather than relying on a monitor. IMO - The technology is iffy, at best. I certainly wouldn’t risk my vessel based on the display. The distance the sonar looks forward is very dependent on the depth. In other words, if in shallow water, the distance forward looking is very minimal. Chances are you will hit whatever is in front of you in shallow water if relying on the sonar. I found it to be more of a distraction rather than an aid. Again, just my 2¢.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Osterberg
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:15 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

 

I thinking of  install an Echopilot but can't find the real performance difference between the Platinum an the FLS 2D, the Platinum cost about 1500 € and has no screen and NMA0183 and video S  so can be connected to a MFD given it has an Video S port. the FLS cost 1200 € and has it' own screen. Looks like the FLS is better value but ....
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Indicator lamp 24V panel

Ryan Meador
 

On our boat, they're 8mm.  I used this LED to replace the pressure water indicator and it worked great.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:35 AM Arnold Mente via groups.io <Arnold.mente=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Amelians,
 
does anyone know the diameter for the signal lights of pressurized water and bilge pump on the 24V panel of the SM?
 
Thanks for the help, I'm far away from the boat at the moment.
 
 
--
Arnold
SY Zephyr SM203


Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network

Paul Osterberg
 

I thinking of  install an Echopilot but can't find the real performance difference between the Platinum an the FLS 2D, the Platinum cost about 1500 € and has no screen and NMA0183 and video S  so can be connected to a MFD given it has an Video S port. the FLS cost 1200 € and has it' own screen. Looks like the FLS is better value but ....
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259

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