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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Teun, there certainly seems to be a widespread reluctance to insure off shore yachts. Who is the company that gave you your cover and the broker that arranged it. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 13 May 2020 at 04:22 Teun BAAS <teun@...> wrote:
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Re: RE : [Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle
#IMPORTANT
#ZOOM
Jose, Thanks! Your attendance is very much appreciated. Please confirm here: An RSVP is requested. Click here to RSVP
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:22 AM ESTELLER <jose.esteller@...> wrote:
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Re: Washing Machine and 50 htz
Teun BAAS
Hi Barry,
Have now received my policy for AMELIT on very acceptable conditions & agreed value.
FWIW: I also received a quote from the last agency recommended via this AYOG forum and he also came with the same insurance company. All 3 agents advised me that the carrier didn’t want to increase the agreed hull/machinery/equipment (HMEV) value except my current agent was able to have the HMEV increased to a level I preferred. Very worrying that out of 8 agencies only 4 were able to offer me a cover at all and ALL 4 agents proposals came from the same European Insurance company ☹
Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
In storage on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 12, 2020 09:16:11
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Teun BAAS via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2020 09:53 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Washing Machine and 50 htz
Hi Barry,
Sorry for late reply.
As soon as I have a copy of the policy I will send you the requested information. However, so far nothing. This is the latest feedback I have from the agent:
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I called GYC several times yesterday but the office was not open because of the 8th of May day. Trust I will receive the policy today. So sorry, I know you need the certificate for the marina. Will revert shortly.
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Best Regards Teun SV AMELIT A54 #128
On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA May 9, 2020 09:52:33
USA cell: +1 832 477 8842 AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909
You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT
From:
main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Hi Teun and Mohammad, Teun, I have an Australian friend who is having trouble getting insurance. Can you give me the broker that you went with, maybe the NZ broker as well. They just lost cover that they took out 2 months ago through a Caribbean crook. If anyone wants to know who the company was, please ask.
Mohammad, when the lock down is eased I am visiting Oliver who is anchored in front of me. I will be doing the same as your plan and designing the new lithium battery system. I will let you know what I find out as I progress. Things are getting better and easier every year. Can you imagine what this lockdown is doing to people. In nearly 40 years Penny and I have never gone for a month without shopping or spending any money.
Best
Barry and Penny “SV Lady Penelope II” Amel 54. #17 Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
eric freedman
HI, I believe it is 80-90 weight gear oil. Fair Winds Eric Amel Super Maramu #376
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of PAOLO CUNEO
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:32 AM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Lubricant Oil for the z drive
hi all,
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Re: Lubricant Oil for the z drive
Paolo, About 4-5 years ago Amel revised the type of oil for the Amel C-Drive to 80/90 Gear Oil
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:31 AM PAOLO CUNEO <pc43ge@...> wrote: hi all,
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
Gary Silver
Hi Bill & All:
Mark at Borel returned my phone call yesterday afternoon. I told him of my long favorable use of his product aboard my boat and the renewed interest in the pump run-on alarm. He has retired and no longer manufactures his products. I told him there might be an expanded market for the product due to publication of its utility. He indicated he would not restart production. I further inquired if he would be willing to sell the production rights etc. and he expressed no interest in doing so. Darn it, I guess we will have to look elsewhere for a 28 VDC pump run-on alarm. Gary Silver s/v Liahona Amel SM 2000 #335 Farmington, UT
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Re: Replacement of carpets in SM
Alexander, I am of no help in France but we made our own replacements without too much trouble.
We made a template.from large wrapping paper then bought a "remnant" piece from a big-box store. Cutting it with a box cutter was not too hard, just have to be careful. Once we had the pieces cut out we took them to a real "Carpeting and Flooring" store and asked them to "Bind" the edges which they did nicely in only a couple of days. We learned that the "Binding" process adds a small amount of extra material to the edges so our pieces were just a tiny bit too big but still fit ok. I think we will do it again this summer as the first attempt was mostly an experiment anyway. It was not very expensive overall. Best wishes! Gary W SM 209, Adagio Georgia, USA
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Lubricant Oil for the z drive
PAOLO CUNEO
hi all,
locked down home and out of reach of the boat, currently on the dry, and of my owner’s manual, I must instruct a technician about the change of oil of the Amel Z drive. Can anybody remind me the grade or type of oil and quantity? Many thanks in advance Paolo Cuneo SM 454 Whisper Genoa, Italy
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RE : [Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle
#IMPORTANT
#ZOOM
ESTELLER
Hi Bill Thank you and congratulations for this initiative. I plan to participate in the meeting, although I know the 50 for having visited it at CANNES. In addition I have as a pontoon neighbor an AMEL 50, unfortunately confined because its owner lives more than 100 KM from the marina
Best regards
José Esteller Expert à la Cour d’Appel de Montpellier (Honoraire) Expert près la Cour Administrative d’Appel de Marseille Professeur à l’ICH Montpelier
De : CW Bill Rouse
Envoyé le :lundi 11 mai 2020 16:09 À : main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Objet :[Special] [AmelYachtOwners] ZOOM Meeting - Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle #IMPORTANT #ZOOM
Re: Confirmation of Amel 50 ZOOM Meeting: Saturday, May 16th at 20:00 UTC.
Direct link to Join the 16 May at 20:00 UTC - ZOOM Meeting https://epfl.zoom.us/j/98523568530 Meeting ID: 985 2356 8530 Join by SIP 98523568530@...
If you missed our first ZOOM meeting, you can view it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/7Mm1bbL-PaA. The first meeting was a test to understand the process. We did not have an expert guest speaker but we plan to have an expert guest speaker for most future meetings. I am currently working to line up experts for:
Best,
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF
greg greg
there are no simple solutions. the leakage can appear anywhere in the system. the discharge can be fast or slow, it can be regular or occur in specific condition (of temperature for example).
the timer is not the solution as it can cut the water when you are just second or third taking shower. the only way is to implement AI to distinguish leakage loss from normal water consumption. kind of analysis of presence of crew, times of running for FW and bilge pumps etc. the only reasonable way is to switch it off when needn't and, when on, watch FW and bilge pumps indicators as you must do for all other things as a responsible sailor under COLREG-72.
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Replacement of carpets in SM
Hello,
We are looking at replacing our carpets (al cleaning efforts did not pay out) and would like to know if anybody has any good tips on this. Preferably a supplier in Northern France, as our boat is currently located in Roscoff, Britany. Best Alexander Schenk SM #231 - Antinea ,_
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF
Hello Steve
I like your safety minded approach ! I am not electronically inclined In any way unfortunately ,but I would like to follow your progress and participate if I can . Nick Nicolas Klene DarNico SM2K # 471 In Marseille
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
I've had this Square D switch with safety feature for some time now. The added safety is good but if a hose starts leaking it will do nothing to prevent pumping your fresh water tank empty unless the leak is massive and close to the pump. The main objective of the safety is to prevent the pump from running when the tank is empty.
Our pump never runs continuously when using the taps or the showers. Only for the toilets the demand exceeds the pump-supply capacity. In all other cases the pump supplies more water then requested, causing the pressure vessel to fill up. At some point the pressure exceeds the shut off pressure (even when the tap is still running) and the pumps stops for a short while until the pressure vessel has lost enough pressure to re-activate the pump. In other words in many cases the pressure drop will not be enough to activate the safety feature on the Sqare D switch. So when, let's say the shower tape starts leaking it will happily empty out the watertank even with the Square D safety feature. The most simple way to secure the system is obviously switching off the pump when you leave. A timer may work but with a big leak you can pump quite a lot of water out of the system in an hour so the question becomes at what duration the time should be set. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
Pardon me if this is a stupid question but how does the pressure switch know the difference between a leak and an open running faucet?
Regards, Robert Giroux Future Amel Owner
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
On Behalf Of John Clanton
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:06 PM To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
The 55 has the same Square D pressure switch. If the pressure drops below a certain level, one must manually engage, and hold, the pressure switch (by way of a small lever on the lower, right side of the Square D unit) until a minimum pressure is achieved. This is typically only a few seconds.
I always turn the pressure pump breaker off when I leave, but never considered do so at night. It makes sense.
John Clanton S/V Devereux Antibes, France
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
John Clanton <jclanton@...>
The 55 has the same Square D pressure switch. If the pressure drops below a certain level, one must manually engage, and hold, the pressure switch (by way of a small lever on the lower, right side of the Square D unit) until a minimum pressure is achieved. This is typically only a few seconds.
I always turn the pressure pump breaker off when I leave, but never considered do so at night. It makes sense.
John Clanton S/V Devereux Antibes, France
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF
Thomas Kleman
We went with the SOP solution; keep the breaker off. Additionally, the fresh water pump LED goes green when the breaker is pushed in vs when the pump is active.....it helps me remember to turn it off.
Tom and Kirstin SV L'ORIENT Cruising Oahu, Hawaii
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
Gary, If Borell happens to be out of production, tell them that I will promote this alarm in my book, my website, and here. Bill
This is a good discussion. I have had three forays into this arena:
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
I think the Amel 50 has the safety cutoff switch. I go, weekly to a friend’s boat while they’re out of country and fresh water flush the watermaker. I have to turn on 24 volts. The pump will not come on, I assume now, as the pressure is low. I have to flip a lever on the pressure switch to start the pump. Once the pressure builds, it works fine after that. I thought it was a problem with the switch until this thread, when the lightbulb went off...(above my head). Amel finally figured it out....
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On May 11, 2020, at 6:54 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:
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Re: Updated Event: Zoom Meeting Presentation of the Amel 50 from La Rochelle - Saturday, 16 May 2020
#cal-invite
Thanks for setting this up, Bill!
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As mentioned, the best experience is via Zoom link (https://epfl.zoom.us/j/98523568530, Meeting ID: 985 2356 8530), as it will give you the best output and you will see things as they are transmitted. So far, I have been amazed at how well zoom performs over relatively low-bandwidth connections. I especially recommend using the app that you can download for free at zoom.us. I have also created a YouTube Live stream: https://youtu.be/Ffks9eEkGG4 This stream may be a bit off, as it seems to show my control view and not the speaker view that is normally transmitted via Zoom. After the meeting I will upload the Zoom recording to YouTube and send out that link as well, but these days Zoom is taking 48-72 hours to process the videos. See you Saturday (or Sunday, depending upon what part of the world you’re in)! Tilo Zurich, Switzerland
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Re: FRESH WATER SAFETY CUTOFF Maybe Gary Silver will respond
Gary Silver
This is a good discussion. I have had three forays into this arena:
1. I once manually set my Dessalator fresh water flush valve to the flush position, got distracted and pumped 800 liters of "flush" water thru my membranes. This while motoring into Providencialis in the Turks and Caicos (the lesser draft may have aided in this circumstance). Only when I investigated why my water tank was empty, did I discover my forgetfulness induced error. In this instance my fresh water was pumped overboard while coming into port, so no major issues. 2. Once while under sail and running the water maker, I was surprised to hear the bilge water-level alarm go off, I raised the engine compartment cover to see water sloshing about just around the feet of the Calpeda AC seawater pump. A quick finger lick proved it to be salt water and investigation revealed it was coming from the seal of the low pressure Dessalator feed pump. I assume my bilge pump had been operating for some time until it was overwhelmed. 3. While sailing from Grenada to Carriacou one boisterous day I overheard a one sided MayDay discussion and noted we were only about 5 miles away from the lat-long of a vessel that was sinking. We arrived first on scene about 20 minutes after the 4 folks took to their life-raft and watched their home disappear into 11,000 ft of water 2 days before Christmas. Getting them and their life-raft aboard in 25+ knots and 8 ft seas was quite an adventure. They were sailing along, when the wife decided to go below and get something to eat only to find the floor boards floating. All attempts to find the site of the water intrusion were futile as the water was already too deep. Early warning may have helped them save their boat. This got me to remembering my first offshore sail training aboard the Orange Coast College vessel Alaska Eagle en-route from Costa Rica to San Diego via Clipperton Atoll. When standing watch we manually pumped the bilge every hour and logged it. Able then to deal with any increase in bilge level. At any rate, after one or more of the above episodes, I purchased a bilge pump run-on alarm from Borel Manufacturing of California. Wired into the bilge pump circuit, if that circuit runs for more than 2 minutes it sounds a 110 dB sonalert that will awaken the dead. Once the pump stops momentarily it resets the solid state timer of the run-on alarm. When aboard I test it daily by switching the bilge pump to the manual position for more than 2 minutes. A similar alarm could be utilized on the fresh water pressure pump. It would only activate if the pressure pump (Amfa or otherwise) ran for more than 2 minutes. I checked the Borel Mfg. web site just now and don't see this alarm offered currently, however, I have a call into the owner to inquire about its status. I do like the idea of switching the pressure pump power off at night or when off the boat and I plan to incorporate that into my routine. Thanks for the discussion. I'll post as soon as I hear from Borel Mfg. Gary S. Silver, M.D. (retired) Amel SM 2000 Hull # 335 Puerto Del Rey Marina, Puerto Rico
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