Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
Gerhard,
Delighted to read your post and learn that Greece has such skills. Not always the way !
Ian
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Gerhard Mueller via groups.io <carcode@...>
Sent: 30 September 2020 08:16 To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network Ian
I have had the same issue: EchoPilot 20 years old and display dead. Gracefully I was in Greece and able to send only the display unit to a repair company in Athen, Greece. Within one week I got it back repaired and now I'm happy to use it again. Cost was about 100 Euro. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Deck painting
Kaplan,Andre
Jose
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Thanks again
Andre
On Sep 30, 2020, at 11:13 AM, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:
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Re: Deck painting
Jose Alegria
Andre One coat - 1 liter it is enough, use a normal brush and wait at least 48 hours There are only one color- transparent. The original color must be restored by this kind of " varnish". Make a picture before and after. regards José Alegria A55#003MERIT
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 15:13, Kaplan,Andre <kaplan@...> wrote:
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SM2K Lewmar ST 58 winch ELS control box p/n 48000222
Bob Ross
Hello,
Hope this finds everyone doing well. Having trouble finding a supplier with this part. This is for the portside large electric ST58 winch. Does anyone have one for sale or know of a supplier with this unit on hand? Winch symptoms are much like described in previous threads. Works great manually and works barely under power and then is quick to become sluggish and basically stop working. The ELS unit demonstrates 24V in and 10V out. New problem for us so advice is welcome. Thank you Bob Nomad #362 Charleston, SC USA
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Re: Deck painting
Dear Andre,
in respect to the other examples you get, I would follow the procedure in the attached description. Best Arnold SV Zephyr SM203 Am 30.09.2020 um 15:52 schrieb Kaplan,Andre <kaplan@uchc.edu>: To All I have a 1988 Mango lying in Westbrook, CT. I’m considering repainting my deck, photo attached. There are no discernible leaks associated with the cracks. What are my options for repainting the deck with goal of minimizing further cracks and improving appearance? Thanks for any advice Andre Kaplan Renaissance 2000 Mango 71 88 <IMG_1099.jpg> -- Arnold SY Zephyr SM203
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Re: Deck painting
Kaplan,Andre
Jose,
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Thank you.
Is there a particular color I need? How many coats should be applied? Any advice on how to apply? How long to wait for drying.
Andre
On Sep 30, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> wrote:
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Re: Deck painting
Jose Alegria
Andre Try first of all - POLYTROL Don´t solve the cracks but improve the appearance. regards José Alegria A55#003MERIT
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 14:52, Kaplan,Andre <kaplan@...> wrote: To All
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Deck painting
Kaplan,Andre
To All
I have a 1988 Mango lying in Westbrook, CT. I’m considering repainting my deck, photo attached. There are no discernible leaks associated with the cracks. What are my options for repainting the deck with goal of minimizing further cracks and improving appearance? Thanks for any advice Andre Kaplan Renaissance 2000 Mango 71 88
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
My pennyworth . We have had an Echopilot since new , 20 years ago . We very rarely use it .
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However , in Chile we met a local guy with a wooden yacht who surveyed the canales in the south on behalf of fish farm companies . Much of his time was spent in uncharted waters . His experience was to set the forward range at no more than 50 m . He claimed
it was the most essential tool he had .
We did use it in Chile when entering uncharted caletas at very slow speeds and on a handful of occasions it served us well .
I suspect that you need to practice a lot with it to get the best use of it.
Elsewhere its greater comfort is in having a backup depth sounder in case the B&G packed up .
Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 , Kithnos , Greece
On 29 Sep 2020, at 19:29, James Alton via groups.io <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Gerhard Mueller
Ian
I have had the same issue: EchoPilot 20 years old and display dead. Gracefully I was in Greece and able to send only the display unit to a repair company in Athen, Greece. Within one week I got it back repaired and now I'm happy to use it again. Cost was about 100 Euro. -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
We had the Interphase unit on Elyse when we bought her in 2013. About a year later the transducer failed. I obtained a replacement from Garmin in the US who had just bought Interphase. That transducer failed also, so I took it all out and got a 7" B&G plotter to go where the Interphase head unit was on the port side of the helm, and installed a ForwardScan transducer for it.
The ForwardScan system works OK in smooth water and at low speed, but if there's any slight pitching of the bow, it can't handle it and the picture goes crazy. The more expensive forward sonars (eg Furuno) have sensors in them to compensate for boat movement and keep the picture steady. Not sure if Garmin has that. As to hooking something up to a Furuno Navnet radar plotter, I doubt you'd find anything to do that. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 BTW I have 2 working Interphase head units on Elyse, if anybody wants them, you can have them for the cost of the postage, whenever I can get back to the boat.
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Hi Ken. The FLS was on the boat when we bought it. We thought it was pretty cool and we could use it in areas where we were uncertain and therefore give us more confidence in exploring or anchoring areas with changing depth contours. We had never had one before. To a certain extent, although minimally, this was true. We relied on it maybe two or three times. And we did notice the occasional false reading which gave our hearts a jump every so often.
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Our EchoPilot unit was 20 years old. The display died and to replace it would have meant switching out everything including transducer, wiring and control head. We talked with all the major guys at the Fort Lauderdale show in 2018. The issues they had, even with their own technology, were twofold. First, rated forward distance capability is not that far (it varies by manufacturer but not by much) and whether you could actually react in time. Second, consistent accuracy. As with everything, one must weigh the cost vs. benefit. For us, we have been happy to put our money into other things, including new electronics. Ian & Margaret Loca Lola II SM153
On Sep 29, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Patrick McAneny
I have not read the bad press about the B&G FLS ,but I am less than impressed . I had it installed a few years ago when I replaced all my electronic on board . It sends out false signals showing obstruction and then disappears . No rep could explain or solve the issue. It may be that on the Bay we have a mud bottom ??? I should have tried to use it in the Caribbean or New England ,but forgot to and never felt I need it. Maybe next time I have a hard bottom I will try to use it and see if it works better. But right now I wish I had spent the money on a lead line.
Does forward speed of the boat play a role in accuracy ? Maybe its me ,because this boat came with a new Interphase in the box , I installed it and was very disappointed in that as well. Going back to having my wife swim in front of the boat.
Pat
SM Shenanigans
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From: Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Sun, Sep 27, 2020 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network Hi Stefan,
Actually the B&G version got some pretty bad press. I have no first hand experience so I cannot confirm. If your plotter supports video-in you could consider this one: https://echopilot.com/products/fls-platinum-engine/ This company has been working on this stuff for quite some time and what I've seen they get pretty decent reviews. Kind regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Bottom paint
Patrick McAneny
Craig, Three coats have to be better than one ,and the barrier coats can only help to keep the keel dry ,plus it provides a better bond for the bottom paint . Looking at Petit Premium HRT ,the manager at a local marina has gotten 3 yrs. and only $129. Gal.
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From: Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris@...> To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Sent: Tue, Sep 29, 2020 2:59 pm Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint Pat,
You're right - their Technical Bulletin says one coat and their Product Data Sheet says three minimum. Also says don't let anything dry before the next coat until you've got the High Build Epoxy primer on (first coat, I'd assume.) Their words suggest the Rustloc is the water proof part, so a specific barrier coat seems redundant, plus there is no fiberglass to protect from osmosis. Good luck with it. Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Bottom paint
Pat,
You're right - their Technical Bulletin says one coat and their Product Data Sheet says three minimum. Also says don't let anything dry before the next coat until you've got the High Build Epoxy primer on (first coat, I'd assume.) Their words suggest the Rustloc is the water proof part, so a specific barrier coat seems redundant, plus there is no fiberglass to protect from osmosis. Good luck with it. Craig - SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Ken, what is the make and model of your fls. Does it have a stand alone display. Thanks Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 29 September 2020 at 22:14 Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Hello Ian,
It would be nice to know how the Echo Pilot died. What happened, how it happened? We hit a log off Columbia, and had to replace the transducer. I really missed the EchoPilot when it was INOP, and was nice to get it operational again. It's nice to get more information than... it died. Also, you say you "Wanted to replace it". So, I would think with this statement, you thought at the time having the FLS was in a word... "worthwhile". Then you write.... "talked with all the major electronics manufacturers, none of whom seemed enthused by the technology." What does this mean? You talked with all the manufacturers of FLS units and none were enthused with their technology? They all told you you should not replace your FLS because they are all junk? Seems very interesting that all the FLS manufacturers would say this! Sorry for the sarcasm, just can't help myself. Ken
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Justin,
No, I have not seen anything on their website, but had told them a year ago they could use any video they wanted from our YouTube channel. Ken on Aquarius
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
We had an EchoPilot on our SM until it died two years ago. We wanted to replace it and talked with all the major electronics manufacturers, none of whom seemed enthused by the technology. So we have been without it since then including spending a lot of time in shallow and reef-laden waters. We don't miss it. Ian SM153 Loca Lola II Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> Date: 2020-09-29 12:06 (GMT-05:00) To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network You may find this a good read:
https://www.pbo.co.uk/gear/5-forward-looking-sonar-tested-29321
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia www.creampuff.us
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Re: Forward looking Sonar - Amel 54 - Furuno NavNet Plotter Network
Ken, Did you know that they have a video of Aquarius on the Echo Pilot website? It is right under the "Get Quote" button on this page: https://echopilot.com/products/fls-2d/ - Justin Hopeful future SM/SM2k owner
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:50 AM Ken Powers SV Aquarius <ken@...> wrote:
-- Justin Paulsen IT Professional "The world is open, are you?"
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