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shipwrecked in shelter
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Im not sure how long ago this was, I think I read the story some time ago. It doesn't say why the chain broke but in an anchorage like this with coral sand (terrible holding, perhaps the worst) I would think the chain caught up short on a coral head and with no scope and the boat lunging up and down in a big chop something had to give. If that happens in their situation the only option is to pay out more chain, fast before something does give. So long as a reef is not just behind. We have been in a similar situation but fortunately no breakage. In those tight pacific atoll anchorages being on anchor in a gale is highly dangerous. If there is warning getting out to sea is the very best option, in fact the only safe option. Comment on the story, the crew completely forgot about the amel watertight bulkheads. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Super Maramu Deck Hatch Hold-downs.
greatketch@...
In amongst the other projects we have been working on this summer, was what was supposed to be a quick and easy cleanup of some rust bleeding from the screws that hold down the deck hatches.
Like many boat projects this turned out to be a bigger project than just a bit of deck cleaning. In case anybody else is interested, and needs to add it to their lists: Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
Sv Garulfo
Hi all, As promised, my feedback: I measured 23.5V at the poles for the water pump on the pump controller. Got puzzled again as it’s meant to be for a 12V pump. Talked to Veco who told me i should measure with the pump connected and running. At which point i measured 13.5V. Best, Thomas GARULFO A54-122 Curaçao
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
James Cromie
I did my first SDR from Martinique to Newport this last May. It was an interesting rally for me because I never once saw another rally goer from start to finish, and only communicated with one other boat by satellite phone who I knew from Martinique. The benefit of the rally was simply having access to Chris Parker, as well as seeing where the other boats were going on the map. Otherwise, it was though I was doing it on my own. I didn’t partake in any of the pre-rally activities because I left from a different port.
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By the way, not to be competitve, but I did like seeing that I was covering more miles per day than most other boats in the rally! Amels seem to be rather fast for their class. James SV Soteria SM 347
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shipwrecked in shelter
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Im not sure how long ago this was, I think I read the story some time ago. It doesn't say why the chain broke but in an anchorage like this with coral sand (terrible holding, perhaps the worst) I would think the chain caught up short on a coral head and with no scope and the boat lunging up and down in a big chop something had to give. If that happens in their situation the only option is to pay out more chain, fast before something does give. So long as a reef is not just behind. We have been in a similar situation but fortunately no breakage. In those tight pacific atoll anchorages being on anchor in a gale is highly dangerous. If there is warning getting out to sea is the very best option, in fact the only safe option. Comment on the story, the crew completely forgot about the amel watertight bulkheads. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panels on the rail
Mark Pitt
Paul,
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I have a 125 watt panel on each side. Did this about 10 years ago. Panel are attached to the rail with Stauff clamps (http://www.stauff.com/) which allows me to easily rotate them into the sun, or fold them when coming into marina. Mark Pitt Sabbatical III, SM #419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands
On 8/28/2018 8:31 PM, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] wrote:
For you who have solar panels on the rail, which size do you have?
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
I've done 2 Salty Dawg rallies (one each way) and 4 ARC rallies.
I like the fun of it, the comaraderie , the tiny bit of competition, the weather routing, and the help with check-ins at new destinations. Additionally, there are some genuinely informative and educational seminars that occur prior to the rally itself. And yes, you ~must~ retain your Captain's hat squarely in place and make your own departure an routing decisions. With ARC, they've delayed two rallies out of the four we've taken to get better weather. ARC is much stricter with qualifying crossings and equipment requirements and they cost more being a for-profit business. I'm looking forward to the ARC to St. Lucia in November. Then we're going with the Salty Dawgs on their Main and Nova Scotia rallies. I'm looking forward to getting reacquainted with a bunch of people from previous rallies. That, to me, is the real gold of the Rally scene. Gary W. SM 209, Adagio Malta
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Re: Solar panels on the rail
We have 3 x 200W panels on the Emek Arch. We don't have panels on the rail.Cheers Alan Elyse Sm437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck light / Steaming light SM2000
Thanks mark..that's the one
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor chain
ya_fohi
Many thanks for all the advice. I'm still not quite sure whether or not it needs replacing, or as some one suggested, just re-galvanising. It's not compltely rusty, but there are signs that links have corroded a bit where they join. I guess that if in doubt I'll replace it, then at least it should be good for another 10 years which is what the current one has. Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98
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Solar panels on the rail
For you who have solar panels on the rail, which size do you have?
Currently we have 450 w on an Emek Arc, and 2x 100 watt on the rail, the 2x 100 are semi flexible works ok, but I can see that they degrade and will not last very long. Plan to install ridged panels on the rail instead. 100 watt readily available, in US next step looks as 160 watt but they looks a bit large size wise. hence the question from you with experience. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz
Possibly the anchor chain caught under a larger coral head right under the bow so that in effect there was 1:1 scope. If it was blowing 40kn across a coupe of miles of fetch then the sea might have been three or four feet. Coming up short like that would put a huge strain on the chain and windlass, as I believe the snubber had already gone. I would have thought that the brake on the windlass would slip before the chain broke. Of course the chain is only as good as the weakest link.
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I think the morals of that story are: 1. To always snorkel your anchor in coral waters, and re anchor if need be. 2. Have a second anchor ready to go. 3. Have a really long snubber of nylon that will stretch and can be let out as the wind builds. This all brings us back to an earlier discussion about tandem anchors. In this instance in Suvorov it would not have helped. Two separate anchors and cables would have saved the boat. On my first boat I sat out a gale at the Club Med Motu in Bora Bora in 1991, there were quite a few yachts in the anchorage, maybe 10. We had just sailed in from Raiatea and by dusk, having snorkelled the area I decided to lay a second anchor at 45 degrees to the first. The night started with SE 25kn and gradually veered to the South and SW peeking at 60 kn in the gusts. Two yachts were wrecked that night. My boat was only 35 ft. I could row out anchors by hand quite easily. With a big Amel anchor of 40kg it is still possible but harder. I have had good results using a couple of fenders slipped through the anchor itself and towing it with a load of chain and rope in the dinghy, then letting slip when the anchor is positioned. Not easy when it gets rough! Nick ( Amelia)
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Re: Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz
I believe that rather than morbid curiosity, the original reason to post this tragedy was because Bill R had asked if anyone had ever heard of an anchor chain breaking. The listing for Makoko suggests they had 70 m of 12mm chain with a Spade Anchor. The Kiwi article says that their anchor chain broke in 35-40 knots of wind. Ian, I did find a subsequent reference on another blog of the same owners as in the article calling the boat Makoko as you had suggested. I suspect they had just renamed her prior to this. It's very sad.
Brent Cameron Future SM2K Owner
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Re: Salty Dog Rally
We have enrolled for the SD rally, we have attended a few Rallies and that have given us several close good friends and the camaraderie have been very nice indeed . That is the main reason for us to attend. Security is always your own responsibility. When we sailed with the Jimmy Cornell Rally from the Canaries to Barbados, one boat the steering cable broke, they were two aboard and got rather exhausted by hand steering. One of the Rally boat did sail up to them and transferred an person to their boat to help them out. I was crewing on a a boat participating in a rally up the Amazone river, great camaraderie and all boats helped out each other’s when needed. But One should not count on being helped
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
Hi All Whilst on this topic, I heard somewhere that there may be a rally which sails out of the Caribbean at the start of the hurricane season, around via Colombia etc and back to the Caribbean in the next safe season. Does anyone here know if there is such a rally, and what it was called? Colin SV Island Pearl II, SM#332 Mahangura, Madagascar (waiting for weather to cross to Cape Town)
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:36 PM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)
greatketch@...
Maude has just told use that she has these in stock. If they are not in stock, they might not be easy to get from Amel. The ones we have are cast parts and not cheaply made in small quantities.
We have been lucky that we had the in-stock boat spares sufficient to replace ours--this time! If you get new ones, be SURE to install them with LOTS of Lanocte, Tef-gel, or whatever other flavor of anticorrosion magic goop you prefer. Use it everywhere between stainless and aluminum. The ones on our boat had been installed "dry", and the resulting corrosion of the aluminum in contact with stainless was what destroyed them--of course on the bottom first where we couldn't see it happening! With just a little bit of redesign, these can be easily made by conventional machining. I have the dimensions taken off ours in case we ever need new ones and Amel's stock is depleted. If people are interested, I can finish and post the drawings for a standard machine shop build. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
Colin,
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the World ARC does the circumnavigation. www.worldcruising.com.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
Patrick McAneny
Steve, I think you made a very good point and if you decide to join a rally, you should never relinquish decision making to others. On my first trip with them they were prepared to leave with a low pressure system off Fla., I decided I was not going to leave until I could see what it was going to do, two days later it exploded , they then decided not to depart. With or without a rally ,you need to be responsible for you and your crew and always make your own calls. Boats in rallies don't all depart at the same time ,some leave earlier ,some at the same time and some later ,making their own determinations as to the best window.
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Pat
SM 123
-----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 9:46 am Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally Steve,
I am not a big
fan of rallies. I think it is best to not be on someone else’s schedule and
leave when the weather is right.
A few years ago
the Salty Dog group got the snot beat out of them because they missed a weather
window and waited two days for the scheduled leave date. We departed in the
window and had a great sail.
Just my 2 cents
worth. Although, I can see how the camaraderie of the rally’s would be appealing.
With best
regards,
Mark
Skipper
Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently
cruising - Bonaire
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the
Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it
previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this
group...) about it?
All the best, Steve Morrison SV TouRai SM 380 Portland, Maine
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
Steve,
I am not a big fan of rallies. I think it is best to not be on someone else’s schedule and leave when the weather is right.
A few years ago the Salty Dog group got the snot beat out of them because they missed a weather window and waited two days for the scheduled leave date. We departed in the window and had a great sail.
Just my 2 cents worth. Although, I can see how the camaraderie of the rally’s would be appealing.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Bonaire www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:57 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the
Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it
previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this
group...) about it?
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