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shipwrecked in shelter

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Im not sure how long ago this was, I think I read the story some time ago. It doesn't say why the chain broke but in an anchorage like this with coral sand (terrible holding, perhaps the worst) I would think the chain caught up short on a coral head and with no scope and the boat lunging up and down in a big chop something had to give. If that happens in their situation the only option is to pay out more chain, fast before something does give. So long as a reef is not just behind. We have been in a similar situation but fortunately no breakage. In those tight pacific atoll anchorages  being on anchor in a gale is highly dangerous. If there is warning getting out to sea is the very best option, in fact the only safe option. Comment on the story, the crew completely forgot about the amel watertight bulkheads.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


Super Maramu Deck Hatch Hold-downs.

greatketch@...
 

In amongst the other projects we have been working on this summer, was what was supposed to be a quick and easy cleanup of some rust bleeding from the screws that hold down the deck hatches.

Like many boat projects this turned out to be a bigger project than just a bit of deck cleaning.  In case anybody else is interested, and needs to add it to their lists:


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

As promised, my feedback:

I measured 23.5V at the poles for the water pump on the pump controller. Got puzzled again as it’s meant to be for a 12V pump. Talked to Veco who told me i should measure with the pump connected and running. At which point i measured 13.5V.


Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Curaçao 



On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 at 05:23, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Apologies you are right. I just measured 13.5v at the circulating pump. Not sure how I got that wrong, anyway. So they need to be 12v pumps for sure.


Nick 

Amelia (54)


On 7 Aug 2018, at 02:28, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Today I measured the voltage directly across the circulation pump for the fridges and it measures 12.5 Volts when one or more fridges are running/cooling. That makes sense as the pump is 12 Volt.

Frigoboat does tell you to use a voltage divider in case you have a single  compressor setup and a 24 volt system. They even sell a device for this. But when you use the multi-compressor pump switch the divider is apparently build into the switch already.

So I dont' think the original Frigoboat pump can/should be used at 24 Volt. It's likely to burn up very quickly.

Cheers,

Arno


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

James Cromie
 

I did my first SDR from Martinique to Newport this last May.  It was an interesting rally for me because I never once saw another rally goer from start to finish, and only communicated with one other boat by satellite phone who I knew from Martinique.  The benefit of the rally was simply having access to Chris Parker, as well as seeing where the other boats were going on the map.  Otherwise, it was though I was doing it on my own.  I didn’t partake in any of the pre-rally activities because I left from a different port.  

By the way, not to be competitve, but I did like seeing that I was covering more miles per day than most other boats in the rally!  Amels seem to be rather fast for their class.  

James
SV Soteria 
SM 347

On Aug 28, 2018, at 4:58 PM, gary@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've done 2 Salty Dawg rallies (one each way) and 4 ARC rallies.  

I like the fun of it, the comaraderie , the tiny bit of competition, the weather routing, and the help with check-ins at new destinations. Additionally, there are some genuinely informative and educational seminars that occur prior to the rally itself.

And yes, you ~must~ retain your Captain's hat squarely in place and make your own departure an routing decisions.

With ARC, they've delayed two rallies out of the four we've taken to get better weather.

ARC is much stricter with qualifying crossings and equipment requirements and they cost more being a for-profit business.

I'm looking forward to the ARC to St. Lucia in November. Then we're going with the Salty Dawgs on their Main and Nova Scotia rallies.

I'm looking forward to getting reacquainted with a bunch of people from previous rallies. That, to me, is the real gold of the Rally scene. 

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Malta



shipwrecked in shelter

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Im not sure how long ago this was, I think I read the story some time ago. It doesn't say why the chain broke but in an anchorage like this with coral sand (terrible holding, perhaps the worst) I would think the chain caught up short on a coral head and with no scope and the boat lunging up and down in a big chop something had to give. If that happens in their situation the only option is to pay out more chain, fast before something does give. So long as a reef is not just behind. We have been in a similar situation but fortunately no breakage. In those tight pacific atoll anchorages  being on anchor in a gale is highly dangerous. If there is warning getting out to sea is the very best option, in fact the only safe option. Comment on the story, the crew completely forgot about the amel watertight bulkheads.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Solar panels on the rail

Mark Pitt
 

Paul,

   I have a 125 watt panel on each side.  Did this about 10 years ago.  Panel are attached to the rail with Stauff clamps (http://www.stauff.com/) which allows me to easily rotate them into the sun, or fold them when coming into marina.

   Mark Pitt

  Sabbatical III, SM #419, Lanzarote, Canary Islands

On 8/28/2018 8:31 PM, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] wrote:
For you who have solar panels on the rail, which size do you have?
Currently we have 450 w on an Emek Arc, and 2x 100 watt on the rail, the 2x 100 are semi flexible works ok, but I can see that they degrade and will not last very long. Plan to install ridged panels on the rail instead. 100 watt readily available, in US next step looks as 160 watt but they looks a bit large size wise. hence the question from you with experience.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

Gary Wells
 

I've done 2 Salty Dawg rallies (one each way) and 4 ARC rallies.

I like the fun of it, the comaraderie , the tiny bit of competition, the weather routing, and the help with check-ins at new destinations. Additionally, there are some genuinely informative and educational seminars that occur prior to the rally itself.

And yes, you ~must~ retain your Captain's hat squarely in place and make your own departure an routing decisions.

With ARC, they've delayed two rallies out of the four we've taken to get better weather.

ARC is much stricter with qualifying crossings and equipment requirements and they cost more being a for-profit business.

I'm looking forward to the ARC to St. Lucia in November. Then we're going with the Salty Dawgs on their Main and Nova Scotia rallies.

I'm looking forward to getting reacquainted with a bunch of people from previous rallies. That, to me, is the real gold of the Rally scene.

Gary W.
SM 209, Adagio
Malta


Re: Solar panels on the rail

Alan Leslie
 

We have 3 x 200W panels on the Emek Arch.
We don't have panels on the rail.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse Sm437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Deck light / Steaming light SM2000

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks mark..that's the one
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor chain

ya_fohi
 

Many thanks for all the advice. I'm still not quite sure whether or not it needs replacing, or as some one suggested, just re-galvanising. It's not compltely rusty, but there are signs that links have corroded a bit where they join. I guess that if in doubt I'll replace it, then at least it should be good for another 10 years which is what the current one has.

Cheers,
Paul

Ya Fohi, Amel 54 #98


Solar panels on the rail

Paul Osterberg
 

For you who have solar panels on the rail, which size do you have?
Currently we have 450 w on an Emek Arc, and 2x 100 watt on the rail, the 2x 100 are semi flexible works ok, but I can see that they degrade and will not last very long. Plan to install ridged panels on the rail instead. 100 watt readily available, in US next step looks as 160 watt but they looks a bit large size wise. hence the question from you with experience.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz

ngtnewington Newington
 

Possibly the anchor chain caught under a larger coral head right under the bow so that in effect there was 1:1 scope. If it was blowing 40kn across a coupe of miles of fetch then the sea might have been three or four feet. Coming up short like that would put a huge strain on the chain and windlass, as I believe the snubber had already gone. I would have thought that the brake on the windlass would slip before the chain broke. Of course the chain is only as good as the weakest link.
I think the morals of that story are:

1. To always snorkel your anchor in coral waters, and re anchor if need be.
2. Have a second anchor ready to go.
3. Have a really long snubber of nylon that will stretch and can be let out as the wind builds.

This all brings us back to an earlier discussion about tandem anchors. In this instance in Suvorov it would not have helped. Two separate anchors and cables would have saved the boat.

On my first boat I sat out a gale at the Club Med Motu in Bora Bora in 1991, there were quite a few yachts in the anchorage, maybe 10. We had just sailed in from Raiatea and by dusk, having snorkelled the area I decided to lay a second anchor at 45 degrees to the first. The night started with SE 25kn and gradually veered to the South and SW peeking at 60 kn in the gusts. Two yachts were wrecked that night. My boat was only 35 ft. I could row out anchors by hand quite easily.
 With a big Amel anchor of 40kg it is still possible but harder. I have had good results using a couple of fenders slipped through the anchor itself and towing it with a load of chain and rope in the dinghy, then letting slip when the anchor is positioned. Not easy when it gets rough!

Nick ( Amelia)

On 28 Aug 2018, at 17:00, brentcameron61@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I believe that rather than morbid curiosity, the original reason to post this tragedy was because Bill R had asked if anyone had ever heard of an anchor chain breaking.  The listing for Makoko suggests they had 70 m of 12mm chain with a Spade Anchor.  The Kiwi article says that their anchor chain broke in 35-40 knots of wind.   Ian, I did find a subsequent reference on another blog of the same owners as in the article calling the boat Makoko as you had suggested.  I suspect they had just renamed her prior to this.  It's very sad.  


Brent Cameron
Future SM2K Owner



Re: Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz

Brent Cameron
 

I believe that rather than morbid curiosity, the original reason to post this tragedy was because Bill R had asked if anyone had ever heard of an anchor chain breaking.  The listing for Makoko suggests they had 70 m of 12mm chain with a Spade Anchor.  The Kiwi article says that their anchor chain broke in 35-40 knots of wind.   Ian, I did find a subsequent reference on another blog of the same owners as in the article calling the boat Makoko as you had suggested.  I suspect they had just renamed her prior to this.  It's very sad.  

Brent Cameron
Future SM2K Owner


Re: Salty Dog Rally

Paul Osterberg
 

We have enrolled for the SD rally, we have attended a few Rallies and that have given us several close good friends and the camaraderie have been very nice indeed . That is the main reason for us to attend. Security is always your own responsibility. When we sailed with the Jimmy Cornell Rally from the Canaries to Barbados, one boat the steering cable broke, they were two aboard and got rather exhausted by hand steering. One of the Rally boat did sail up to them and transferred an person to their boat to help them out. I was crewing on a a boat participating in a rally up the Amazone river, great camaraderie and all boats helped out each other’s when needed. But One should not count on being helped
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shipwrecked in shelter | Stuff.co.nz

Brent Cameron
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi All

Whilst on this topic, I heard somewhere that there may be a rally which sails out of the Caribbean at the start of the hurricane season, around via Colombia etc and back to the Caribbean in the next safe season. Does anyone here know if there is such a rally, and what it was called?

Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Mahangura, Madagascar
(waiting for weather to cross to Cape Town)

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:36 PM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve, Presently there are three Amels signed up with the Salty Dogs for the fall rally to the Caribbean. This will be my third trip south with them, it cost about $200 to join the rally, and in the past  you could more than recoup that ,as one of the benefits was free moorings for a month. Now that the Bitter End is out of business that is probably no longer available.Other than that there is a few parties ,weather routing , daily weather routing from Chris Parker daily via SSB. ,daily check ins via SSB ,daily tracking , crew placement . The boats gather in Hampton Va. a few days before departure. Is it worth it,I don't know ,its cool to look at all the offshore boats in one place and to meet some of the people you have something in common with. I think it lends some sense of security to some , probably somewhat a false sense, once out there you are on your own, and within a few hours out of sight of other boats. With the advent of many weather sites ,such as Predict Wind and the ability to access it offshore ,there is no compelling reason to join the rally,but then none not to.

Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 8:57 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

 
Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this group...) about it?

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SV TouRai SM 380
Portland, Maine



--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

greatketch@...
 

Maude has just told use that she has these in stock. If they are not in stock, they might not be easy to get from Amel.  The ones we have are cast parts and not cheaply made in small quantities.

We have been lucky that we had the in-stock boat spares sufficient to replace ours--this time!

If you get new ones, be SURE to install them with LOTS of Lanocte, Tef-gel, or whatever other flavor of anticorrosion magic goop you prefer. Use it everywhere between stainless and aluminum. The ones on our boat had been installed "dry", and the resulting corrosion of the aluminum in contact with stainless was what destroyed them--of course on the bottom first where we couldn't see it happening!

With just a little bit of redesign, these can be easily made by conventional machining.  I have the dimensions taken off ours in case we ever need new ones and Amel's stock is depleted.  If people are interested, I can finish and post the drawings for a standard machine shop build.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

Peter Forbes
 

Colin, 

the World ARC does the circumnavigation. www.worldcruising.com.


Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In La Rochelle

On 28 Aug 2018, at 15:48, Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi All

Whilst on this topic, I heard somewhere that there may be a rally which sails out of the Caribbean at the start of the hurricane season, around via Colombia etc and back to the Caribbean in the next safe season. Does anyone here know if there is such a rally, and what it was called?

Colin
SV Island Pearl II, SM#332
Mahangura, Madagascar
(waiting for weather to cross to Cape Town)

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 5:36 PM Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve, Presently there are three Amels signed up with the Salty Dogs for the fall rally to the Caribbean. This will be my third trip south with them, it cost about $200 to join the rally, and in the past  you could more than recoup that ,as one of the benefits was free moorings for a month. Now that the Bitter End is out of business that is probably no longer available.Other than that there is a few parties ,weather routing , daily weather routing from Chris Parker daily via SSB. ,daily check ins via SSB ,daily tracking , crew placement . The boats gather in Hampton Va. a few days before departure. Is it worth it,I don't know ,its cool to look at all the offshore boats in one place and to meet some of the people you have something in common with. I think it lends some sense of security to some , probably somewhat a false sense, once out there you are on your own, and within a few hours out of sight of other boats. With the advent of many weather sites ,such as Predict Wind and the ability to access it offshore ,there is no compelling reason to join the rally,but then none not to.

Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 8:57 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

 
Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this group...) about it?

All the best,
Steve Morrison 
SV TouRai SM 380
Portland, Maine



-- 
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I think you made a very good point and if you decide to join a rally, you should never relinquish decision making to others. On my first trip with them they were prepared to leave with a low pressure system off Fla., I decided I was not going to leave until I could see what it was going to do, two days later it exploded , they then decided not to depart. With or without a rally ,you need to be responsible for you and your crew and always make your own calls. Boats in rallies don't all depart at the same time ,some leave earlier ,some at the same time and some later ,making  their own determinations as to the best window.
Pat
SM 123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Aug 28, 2018 9:46 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

 
Steve,
 
I am not a big fan of rallies. I think it is best to not be on someone else’s schedule and leave when the weather is right.  
 
A few years ago the Salty Dog group got the snot beat out of them because they missed a weather window and waited two days for the scheduled leave date. We departed in the window and had a great sail.
 
Just my 2 cents worth. Although, I can see how the camaraderie of the rally’s would be appealing.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Bonaire
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally
 
 
Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this group...) about it?

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SV TouRai SM 380
Portland, Maine


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

I am not a big fan of rallies. I think it is best to not be on someone else’s schedule and leave when the weather is right.  

 

A few years ago the Salty Dog group got the snot beat out of them because they missed a weather window and waited two days for the scheduled leave date. We departed in the window and had a great sail.

 

Just my 2 cents worth. Although, I can see how the camaraderie of the rally’s would be appealing.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 8:57 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salty Dog Rally

 

 

Hello all. The 4 of us here on TouRai (SM380) are considering doing the Salty Dog Rally to the BVI in November and are wondering if others have done it previously or may be doing it this year? Any thoughts or opinions (this group...) about it?

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SV TouRai SM 380
Portland, Maine

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