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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
You’re talking about the center pole on AC plugs, right? Nothing AC alive on Kristy when shock occurred. No shore power connected, although worker might have dragged a 110AC extension aboard.
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When you short a 12v battery between pos and neg, you get a huge arc. Why wouldn’t that shock the crap out of you? Direct current shock is what we use to shock the heart back into rhythm, gives the patient a big jolt. Kent Robertson
On Oct 5, 2018, at 8:13 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, When you measure that potential Bill R suggests, be sure you measure it both as AC and DC voltages. If you find a significant AC voltage between the windlass and earth, I would unplug from shore power right away, confirm that the voltage has gone away, and stay unplugged until the problem is diagnosed and fixed. If there is any kind of cross connection between an AC "hot" wire and the DC system, or the bonding wires it has the potential to be quite dangerous. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore
Willem Kroes
Hello Martin,
Thanks for your fast reaction. The SM does not have a clutch like the 54. It's either the top- gears or the gears on he foot that failed. I will see what's wrong after the haul out next week.
Best regards,
Willem
SM #351 KAVANGA
Op 5 okt. 2018 11:20 schreef "Martin K luvkante@... [amelyachtowners]" :
Your clutch is broken Martin
AMEL54 #149 „CHIARA“ Von meinem iPad gesendet
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Suddenly screaming noise from the bowthruster and not moving the prop anymore
Willem Kroes
Thanks Bill, I will go to the boatyard next Wednesday for a already planned haul out. The broblem must be on the foot or on the top gears.
Best regards,
Willem
SM # 351 KAVANGA
Op 5 okt. 2018 15:43 schreef "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" :
There can be several causes.
Nikimat gave you a very complete answer, but to find the exact cause, you will need to disassemble the bow thruster.
Best,
CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School http://www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered
when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred
to above.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Roller Removal...
Bill, I seem to remember that the axel was welded on 387. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Anchor Roller Removal...
greatketch@...
Mark,
Thanks, If only it was that simple... Our pulpit is a lot simpler in construction, and I have a good view of both sides of the axle, but both have flared heads. There is obviously a magic trick I am missing! I would be fine changing it out for a bolt if that makes sense, but surely there has to be a better way to disassemble than cutting it apart... Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: Making O Rings
Bob and Suzanne!
Thank you for the tip, I sometimes had problem finding o-rings, thrust it will be less of a problem in the future. Will definitely have a o ring splicing kit aboard Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Making O Rings
rossirossix4
We have had really good luck with an O Ring Splicing kit. You can buy these in metric or inch versions and they come with a tool that helps you size and cut it AND line it up when gluing. e.g. https://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=607&products_id=18578&zenid=9ed43caca167650bcb1de3dbd43b3748 They come in a plastic box kit. You can also find them on eBay and Amazon and I think Buna and Loctite are the best known. It is almost impossible to carry all the O ring sizes we have on our boats. Sometimes, if an O ring is missing you have to buy several "guesses" to fit it and a kit eliminates that problem as you can size it by measuring diameter and length in place before you make it. Looked around--this guy made a YouTube on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MniGPMJb1H0 and this boater made one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDb5CrayM-U&t=14s You would think that the glued splice would be a weak point but as a test have stretched these beyond recognition without having it separate at the splice.
Bob and Suzanne KAIMI SM 429 Barcelona
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foghorn?
eric freedman
We have a Raymarine VHF with a fog horn. The horn speaker is mounted pointed down directly above the first Mizzen spreader. It has a number of options. It only broke once when we were hit by a breaking wave in a hurricane. It has work flawlessly. We have a handset at the helm and at the nav station. Running a wire from the mizzen to the nav station is very easy. Not so easy from the main mast. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 6:22 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foghorn?
Has anyone fitted a foghorn on the main mast? I don't see too many boats with one, but we were in fog for 8 hours earlier this year, and an automatic horn driven by the vhf would have been great.
If you have one, would you recommend the brand?
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
greatketch@...
Kent,
When you measure that potential Bill R suggests, be sure you measure it both as AC and DC voltages. If you find a significant AC voltage between the windlass and earth, I would unplug from shore power right away, confirm that the voltage has gone away, and stay unplugged until the problem is diagnosed and fixed. If there is any kind of cross connection between an AC "hot" wire and the DC system, or the bonding wires it has the potential to be quite dangerous. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foghorn?
Duane,
If you purchase another VHF/Hailer/Horn, I would suggest mounting it at the helm.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Aruba www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 6:22 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foghorn?
Has anyone fitted a foghorn on the main mast? I don't see too many boats with one, but we were in fog for 8 hours earlier this year, and an automatic horn driven by the vhf would have been great.
If you have one, would you recommend the brand?
Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
Kent, Earth is Earth and not bonding or Negative pole on a battery or battery bank. In the US, Earth is the center pole, is the green wire, which terminates on a copper rod driven into the earth. On an untouched original SM, Earth is the center pole, green/yellow wire that is not the green/yellow bonding wire. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 18:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Shock from windlass
Thanks Duane, I’ll do that and report what I find.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM 243
On Oct 5, 2018, at 6:31 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, I've been working on my windlass recently. The motor wires directly to the negative battery terminal. The switching happens on the positive side. If your guy was touching the lifeline and the windlass and got a shock, I'll bet the positive was from the lifeline, and the negative for a circuit was from the windlass. So the wires in the lifeline is the thing to check first. Check the voltage from the lifeline to the motor casing (I'm assuming there is some connection from the motor negative to the casing, which may be inadvertent). Also, if one button works and the other doesn't, it could be the button, or it could be the control box. My control box welded the contacts on one side for a runaway condition. After "repairing" the control box, the up button works but not the down button because some of the wires from the solenoids to the control button spade terminals inside the box came free and I had to resolder them. Apparently I was successful on the up button but not the down. Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Foghorn?
Duane, Based on a recent conversation, I think that you are going to be buying a new VHF. Almost all new VHFs come with a foghorn option that sounds through an external speaker. The easiest place to mount that speaker below the radome on the Mizzen. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: Shock from windlass
Duane Siegfri
Kent,
I've been working on my windlass recently. The motor wires directly to the negative battery terminal. The switching happens on the positive side. If your guy was touching the lifeline and the windlass and got a shock, I'll bet the positive was from the lifeline, and the negative for a circuit was from the windlass. So the wires in the lifeline is the thing to check first. Check the voltage from the lifeline to the motor casing (I'm assuming there is some connection from the motor negative to the casing, which may be inadvertent). Also, if one button works and the other doesn't, it could be the button, or it could be the control box. My control box welded the contacts on one side for a runaway condition. After "repairing" the control box, the up button works but not the down button because some of the wires from the solenoids to the control button spade terminals inside the box came free and I had to resolder them. Apparently I was successful on the up button but not the down. Duane
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
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On Oct 5, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I assume KRISTY is still on the hard. Maybe you should measure the voltage between the rail and earth, and the windlass case and earth. Let me know...I have several ideas. And, the guy must have been touching something other than the switch and the rail because the switch is rubber. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 16:26 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
Thanks Bill. I’ll do that tomorrow and let you know what I find. By “earth” do you mean battery negative or bonding? Or both?Voltage or Resistance or both?
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I assume he was touching the windlass case. Seems like a stretch to be pushing the button and rail at the same time??? Kent Robertson
On Oct 5, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I assume KRISTY is still on the hard. Maybe you should measure the voltage between the rail and earth, and the windlass case and earth. Let me know...I have several ideas. And, the guy must have been touching something other than the switch and the rail because the switch is rubber. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 16:26 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Foghorn?
Duane Siegfri
Has anyone fitted a foghorn on the main mast? I don't see too many boats with one, but we were in fog for 8 hours earlier this year, and an automatic horn driven by the vhf would have been great. If you have one, would you recommend the brand? Thanks, Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
I assume KRISTY is still on the hard. Maybe you should measure the voltage between the rail and earth, and the windlass case and earth. Let me know...I have several ideas. And, the guy must have been touching something other than the switch and the rail because the switch is rubber. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018, 16:26 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Shock from windlass
Thanks Steve. I just ran new wires to the port nav light last year. I’ll look there first.
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Thinking out loud here: So that means there was a fault in the windlass energizing the case (? Dust from the contacts?), and the circuit is completed by the negative wire from the nav light? Light doesn’t have to be on because switch for the lights is on the (+) wire, (-) is always connected. If it were the (+) wire from the light, it would only be hot when the switch for the light was on. Uhhhh, right??? Kent Robertson
On Oct 5, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hey Kent, Had a similar problem on Aloha a few years ago. It was a part of the nav light wire which had brittle insulation and exposed wire was making contact with inside of rail. It would give you a mild DC shock. Good luck sorting out the problem. Steve Aloha SM 72 Hawaii
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck running lights
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Most welcome Paul,
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Well that is a long story in itself. In short no: while the insurance totally agreed I was at zero fault, they wanted me to accept 50% responsibility as it was “not worth” for them to hire a lawyer and defend the case… I argued for 8 months, then gave up, so out of the $20k I paid 10 then 4 years later still asking the remaining 3 of the 10 k. Good luck with your installation! Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Fri, 10/5/18, paul.cooper74@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck running lights To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 5, 2018, 9:54 AM Thank for the pics, Alexandre and I am sorry to see the damage that was done to your bow. I hope your repair was satisfactory and covered by insurance. I will definitely have a SS plate made and welded in place just like your installation. Very nice. I will look for the smallest possible LED lights with the required brightness (2 nm), and I think there are some now that are completely round with no edges that a line could get caught on. Paul C.
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