Date   
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Whisker pole

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternating hot and cold water in showers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Philipp;
 
I'm not familiar with the exact plumbing on a SM. However, since most plumbing should be similar, I can think of two possibilities:
 
  1. The hot water plumbing route is more restricted than the cold. This could be anywhere in the lines, the water heater, etc. Therefore when the pump is running and you have increased pressure in the water system, there is more pressure in the cold water line than the hot. This would result in more cold water pressure at the shower valve, resulting in colder water.
  2. If the shower valve has been changed to an anti- scald one, the anti-scald mechanism may be failing. I believe this to be less likely.
Keep in my mind that I am not familiar with the SM plumbing and systems in any way. These are just a couple of general suggestions.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternating hot and cold water in showers

 

Hi Philipp

That sounds like you have no pressure on your accumulator tank. Between coldwater pump and hot-water-tank you will find the accumulator tank. You can check the pressure via a valve, like car tires. The recomended pressure you may be find in a tank manual. What cold water pump model do you have?
Fair winds
Peter
Wilson, SM 003, La Rochelle


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Am Samstag, März 17, 2018, 10:05 schrieb philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Hi All owners from "old" Super Maramus,

I have the situation, that on my SM #124 I have alternating hot and warm water in the showers. The cold water is this season in La Rochelle real cold, that I feel it very directly. Each moment, when the pressure pump is working, the cold water arrives and the warm water gets cold with the effect, that you get cold shocking moment for some seconds and afterwards the warm shower water arrives again, till the water pressure pump starts working..

Does anybody have an idea how I can eliminate this strange and uncomfortable effect?


Thanks a lot for any suggestions.


Fair winds,


Philipp Sollberger,

Félicie, SM #124

Re: Heading Sensor vs. Solid State Compass???

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

I should mention that our main GPS sensor and the AIS GPS sensor, both from B&G, came with big warnings that these should not be installed up the mast.  So both were installed at deck level.  

Incidentally, I recall noticing that Amel is now installing what look to be a couple of GPS antennas on deck, forward of the pilot's windshield.  I saw this on either a '64 or a '55 in La Rochelle.

Along the same lines, the Amel-factory Furuno heading sensor that was original to #350 sat at nearly water level in the forward closet opposite of the head.  We now have replaced it with a B&G heading sensor sitting in the same little shelf.  

Finally, the original Amel-factory Raytheon/Raymarine heading sensor is still outboard of the dining table, behind the seat, and just aft of the air conditioning vent, i.e, just above the waterline.  It works very well and still provides reliable heading to the Raytheon autopilot.

Cheers,

Peregrinus
SM2K Nr. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Spinalonga, Candia (Crete)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternating hot and cold water in showers

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Philipp
That sounds like you have no pressure on your accumulator tank. Between coldwater pump and hot-water-tank you will find the accumulator tank. You can check the pressure via a valve, like car tires. The recomended pressure you may be find in a tank manual. What cold water pump model do you have?
Fair winds
Peter
Wilson, SM 003, La Rochelle


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Am Samstag, März 17, 2018, 10:05 schrieb philipp.sollberger@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

Hi All owners from "old" Super Maramus,

I have the situation, that on my SM #124 I have alternating hot and warm water in the showers. The cold water is this season in La Rochelle real cold, that I feel it very directly. Each moment, when the pressure pump is working, the cold water arrives and the warm water gets cold with the effect, that you get cold shocking moment for some seconds and afterwards the warm shower water arrives again, till the water pressure pump starts working.

Does anybody have an idea how I can eliminate this strange and uncomfortable effect?


Thanks a lot for any suggestions.


Fair winds,


Philipp Sollberger,

Félicie, SM #124

Amel 54 fuel cap.

Peter Forbes
 

Alex,

Do you have a diesel fuel cap for a 54?

Peter Forbes

Carango 
Amel 54 #035
Anguilla

The Old Rectory
Farnham
Blandford
Dorset
DT11 8DE




Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In Marigot Bay 
St Lucia

On 16 Mar 2018, at 12:46, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Alexandre,
Yes indeed, my oops; indeed it's 1500/1800 rpms. I was thinking of the Fischer Panda generators that run at 3000/3600 rpms. My genset is a 4.8/6.0 kw Northern Lights at 1500/1800. 
My AC panel (from Paneltronics, not original Amel) includes an ampmeter so I can see the load on the genset (or shore power).
Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good morning Craig, 
If I may step in, the Onan actually run at either 1500 or 1800 rpm depending on its frequency setting.  
The load is the issue, which why several owner (Bill, Gary, Eric, etc.) have add Alternate Current Multimeter.  
Illustration of the installation on NIKIMAT:
http://www.nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 8:48 AM
Hi Eric,You bring up an
interesting point when you say you had the same carbon build
up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not
running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a
variable speed genset, it always will be running at a high
rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be the
only issue. Isn't it low load that's the
issue? So
when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt
they're assuming it will be in gear and will present a
full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy
would be to load it with not just battery charging, but also
get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash
clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen,
actually.Sound about
right?Cheers,
Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In
amelyachtowners@...,
wrote :

Hi,I had his problem with my
genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80% of
its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are not
run that hard so is the main engine.Yanmar suggests to run
the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a
few time a dayThis blows the carbon out
of the turbo and the exhaust system.    The carbon is usually
glass hard.However if the elbow is
not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break out
the carbon.You might try something
like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better a
carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have
ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval” on
the elbow.  On eBay there is a fellow
that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless steel.
They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he
makes elbows for your engine.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  
 From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black
Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine
Exhaust   I removed
the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with
very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was only
30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns
freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't
have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least a
week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow should
be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not possible
to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why
not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year
removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating Manual
which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just
sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all the
good suggestions.   


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GPS Antenna below deck?

Andy Buxford
 

Your AIS transmitter depends on its own GPS receiver for the
millisecond-accurate time data supplied by GPS. This is how
packet-collisions are prevented. If you remove the GPS aerial the AIS
transmitter will no longer work, I believe.

Andy.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:04 PM, sailor63109@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

In tracing down the wiring on the boat I've found another GPS antenna!

It provides position data to the ACR Nauticast B AIS. …

We've always had good results from the Nauticast so I'm likely to leave it
there, unless there's a good reason not to?

Alternating hot and cold water in showers

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Hi All owners from "old" Super Maramus,

I have the situation, that on my SM #124 I have alternating hot and warm water in the showers. The cold water is this season in La Rochelle real cold, that I feel it very directly. Each moment, when the pressure pump is working, the cold water arrives and the warm water gets cold with the effect, that you get cold shocking moment for some seconds and afterwards the warm shower water arrives again, till the water pressure pump starts working.

Does anybody have an idea how I can eliminate this strange and uncomfortable effect?


Thanks a lot for any suggestions.


Fair winds,


Philipp Sollberger,

Félicie, SM #124

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

eric freedman
 

Craig,

Of course the generator does not have a variable speed.

What I meant is that we usually do not run the genset under enough load.

80 percent of the output of a 7.5 kw genset, I believe should be a usage of about 27 amps.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 9:49 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

 

 

 

Hi Eric,

You bring up an interesting point when you say you had the same carbon build up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a variable speed genset, it always will be running at a high rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be the only issue. Isn't it low load that's the issue? 

So when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt they're assuming it will be in gear and will present a full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy would be to load it with not just battery charging, but also get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen, actually.

Sound about right?

Cheers, Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Hi,

I had his problem with my genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80% of its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are not run that hard so is the main engine.

Yanmar suggests to run the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a few time a day

This blows the carbon out of the turbo and the exhaust system.

 

 

The carbon is usually glass hard.

However if the elbow is not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break out the carbon.

You might try something like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better a carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval” on the elbow.

 

On eBay there is a fellow that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless steel. They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he makes elbows for your engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

 

 

I removed the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was only 30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least a week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow should be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not possible to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating Manual which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all the good suggestions.  

General discussion on Generators and exhaust elbows

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hey Alexandre,
     I've found the Northern Lights to be really good. Mine has 7500 hours, doesn't burn a drop of oil and only routine maintenance needed (never rebuilt). I'm now installing my 3rd set of brushes and a new generator end bearing, all per the maintenance schedule. Have always done oil and filters right on schedule.
     A few pesky problems with DC connections over the years (easily fixed once found), but they've re-engineered that on the newer models. Interesting that their advertising now features the fact their DC system is not solid state and, therefore, can be owner maintained - basically 4 relays and no solid state. I think the marketing boys call that featuring your weaknesses, but after all the posts here about trying to decode and interpret the Onan solid state blinking lights, they may have a point.
     I switched to a Stainless Steel exhaust elbow after earlier ones corroded through and that's now at 2500 hours. The brand is well supported world wide. 
     We've got friends who have been "off the grid" for 10 years now on a Bahamian island and they also have this genset, which they swear by, although they are almost 100% solar so only kick in the generator on rare occasions.
     Almost caught you when you were in Ft Lauderdale a few years ago, but got way-layed.across the canal at Playboy Marina up to my elbows in maintenance. Will keep an eye out in the future.
Cheers,  Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Hello Craig,
Wow the fisher panda runs that high!!!
How do you like your Northern Light? (asking as I am thinking about buying a house and will consider putting a small genset).
Nice you have the Amp meter too!
Hope we get to meet one day, always wanted to visit a Santorin!
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 11:46 AM

Hi Alexandre,Yes indeed, my oops;
indeed it's 1500/1800 rpms. I was thinking of the
Fischer Panda generators that run at 3000/3600 rpms. My
genset is a 4.8/6.0 kw Northern Lights at
1500/1800. My AC panel (from Paneltronics, not
original Amel) includes an ampmeter so I can see the load on
the genset (or shore power).
Cheers,
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@...,
<uster@...> wrote :

Good
morning Craig,

If I may step in, the Onan actually run at either 1500 or
1800 rpm depending on its frequency setting.

The load is the issue, which why several owner (Bill, Gary,
Eric, etc.) have add Alternate Current Multimeter.

Illustration of the installation on NIKIMAT:

http://www.nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html



Sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo
Penta Engine Exhaust

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 8:48 AM
Hi
Eric,You bring up an

interesting point when you say you had the same carbon
build

up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not

running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a

variable speed genset, it always will be running at a
high

rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be
the

only issue. Isn't it low load that's the

issue? So

when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt

they're assuming it will be in gear and will present
a

full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy

would be to load it with not just battery charging, but
also

get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash

clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen,

actually.Sound about

right?Cheers,

Craig SN#68 Sangaris



---In

amelyachtowners@...,
<kimberlite@...>

wrote :



Hi,I had his problem with my

genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80%
of

its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are
not

run that hard so is the main engine.Yanmar suggests to
run

the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a

few time a dayThis blows the carbon out

of the turbo and the exhaust system.    The carbon is
usually

glass hard.However if the elbow is

not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break
out

the carbon.You might try something

like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better
a

carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have

ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval”
on

the elbow.  On eBay there is a fellow

that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless
steel.

They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he

makes elbows for your engine.Fair

WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super

Maramu #376  

 From:

amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16

PM

To:

amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black

Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine

Exhaust   I removed

the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with

very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was
only

30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns

freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't

have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least
a

week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow
should

be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not
possible

to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why

not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year

removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating
Manual

which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just

sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all
the

good suggestions.  

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GPS Antenna below deck?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Duane,

sorry to read about your washing machine problem…

Regarding the extra GPS antenna, I had one at the same location.
More precisely as you remove the top access of the roof, it next to the big starboard winch, like a disc looking.
I was explained mine was in case of emergency (should I press an alarm in case of attack) this is how the ship would be tracked.
I did not continue the service as it was required to send the old antenna to be upgraded or reconfigured.
Then another was GPS antenna was installed next to that one, it was for the radio

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] GPS Antenna below deck?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 2:04 PM


 









In tracing down the wiring on the boat
I've found another GPS antenna!
It provides position data
to the ACR Nauticast B AIS.  It was installed in the
ceiling space above the midship cabin (just fwd of the aft
cabin), attached with silicone to the overhead, and it had
fallen over and must have been rolling around up there in a
heavy sea.
We've always had good results
from the Nauticast so I'm likely to leave it there,
unless there's a good reason not to?   Of course
I'll improve the mounting situation.
I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] GPS Antenna below deck?

Ryan Meador
 

Fiberglass is mostly transparent to radio waves, so it should have only a tiny impact on signal strength.  But GPS (and any satellite) signals are already very weak, so it might be enough to cause you to "see" fewer satellites than you would with a clear view of the sky.  It shouldn't cause any position error.  Take care that your sensor isn't behind any metal or wood, or even some kinds of paint, which can block signals.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:04 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

In tracing down the wiring on the boat I've found another GPS antenna!


It provides position data to the ACR Nauticast B AIS.  It was installed in the ceiling space above the midship cabin (just fwd of the aft cabin), attached with silicone to the overhead, and it had fallen over and must have been rolling around up there in a heavy sea.


We've always had good results from the Nauticast so I'm likely to leave it there, unless there's a good reason not to?   Of course I'll improve the mounting situation.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.


GPS Antenna below deck?

Duane Siegfri
 

In tracing down the wiring on the boat I've found another GPS antenna!


It provides position data to the ACR Nauticast B AIS.  It was installed in the ceiling space above the midship cabin (just fwd of the aft cabin), attached with silicone to the overhead, and it had fallen over and must have been rolling around up there in a heavy sea.


We've always had good results from the Nauticast so I'm likely to leave it there, unless there's a good reason not to?   Of course I'll improve the mounting situation.


I'd appreciate your thoughts.

Washing Machine Hose Leak - Something to check...

Duane Siegfri
 

I woke up this morning to our fresh water pump happily pumping away, but nobody was using water!


A quick check found that the hose going from the sink cabinet shut-off valve to the port side and then through the cabinet floor (at least on my boat), then to the washing machine had a hole.


Where it went through the cabinet floor it had rubbed against the floor enough to put a hole in it.  You can easily check this by pulling a bit of the hose upward and feeling along the length. 


Repair was simple, I simply cut the hose in the deck locker in front of the stove, and used a repair hose barb and ran new hose to the shutoff valve.  I also took a piece of 3/4" diameter hose, split it, and put it around the 1/2" hose to protect it from chafe.


 It would have been much worse if we had left the boat for the day without shutting off the water pump.  Another good reason to shut off the water pump!


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Craig,
Wow the fisher panda runs that high!!!
How do you like your Northern Light? (asking as I am thinking about buying a house and will consider putting a small genset).
Nice you have the Amp meter too!
Hope we get to meet one day, always wanted to visit a Santorin!
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 11:46 AM


 









Hi Alexandre,Yes indeed, my oops;
indeed it's 1500/1800 rpms. I was thinking of the
Fischer Panda generators that run at 3000/3600 rpms. My
genset is a 4.8/6.0 kw Northern Lights at
1500/1800. My AC panel (from Paneltronics, not
original Amel) includes an ampmeter so I can see the load on
the genset (or shore power).
Cheers,
Craig


---In amelyachtowners@...,
<uster@...> wrote :

Good
morning Craig,

If I may step in, the Onan actually run at either 1500 or
1800 rpm depending on its frequency setting.

The load is the issue, which why several owner (Bill, Gary,
Eric, etc.) have add Alternate Current Multimeter.

Illustration of the installation on NIKIMAT:

http://www.nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html



Sincerely, Alexandre







--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo
Penta Engine Exhaust

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 8:48 AM
Hi
Eric,You bring up an

interesting point when you say you had the same carbon
build

up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not

running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a

variable speed genset, it always will be running at a
high

rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be
the

only issue. Isn't it low load that's the

issue? So

when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt

they're assuming it will be in gear and will present
a

full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy

would be to load it with not just battery charging, but
also

get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash

clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen,

actually.Sound about

right?Cheers,

Craig SN#68 Sangaris



---In

amelyachtowners@...,
<kimberlite@...>

wrote :



Hi,I had his problem with my

genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80%
of

its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are
not

run that hard so is the main engine.Yanmar suggests to
run

the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a

few time a dayThis blows the carbon out

of the turbo and the exhaust system.    The carbon is
usually

glass hard.However if the elbow is

not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break
out

the carbon.You might try something

like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better
a

carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have

ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval”
on

the elbow.  On eBay there is a fellow

that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless
steel.

They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he

makes elbows for your engine.Fair

WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super

Maramu #376  

 From:

amelyachtowners@...

[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16

PM

To:

amelyachtowners@...

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black

Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine

Exhaust   I removed

the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with

very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was
only

30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns

freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't

have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least
a

week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow
should

be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not
possible

to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why

not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year

removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating
Manual

which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just

sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all
the

good suggestions.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Alexandre,
Yes indeed, my oops; indeed it's 1500/1800 rpms. I was thinking of the Fischer Panda generators that run at 3000/3600 rpms. My genset is a 4.8/6.0 kw Northern Lights at 1500/1800. 
My AC panel (from Paneltronics, not original Amel) includes an ampmeter so I can see the load on the genset (or shore power).
Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote :

Good morning Craig,
If I may step in, the Onan actually run at either 1500 or 1800 rpm depending on its frequency setting.
The load is the issue, which why several owner (Bill, Gary, Eric, etc.) have add Alternate Current Multimeter.
Illustration of the installation on NIKIMAT:
http://www.nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 8:48 AM
Hi Eric,You bring up an
interesting point when you say you had the same carbon build
up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not
running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a
variable speed genset, it always will be running at a high
rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be the
only issue. Isn't it low load that's the
issue? So
when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt
they're assuming it will be in gear and will present a
full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy
would be to load it with not just battery charging, but also
get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash
clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen,
actually.Sound about
right?Cheers,
Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In
amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...>
wrote :

Hi,I had his problem with my
genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80% of
its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are not
run that hard so is the main engine.Yanmar suggests to run
the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a
few time a dayThis blows the carbon out
of the turbo and the exhaust system.    The carbon is usually
glass hard.However if the elbow is
not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break out
the carbon.You might try something
like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better a
carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have
ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval” on
the elbow.  On eBay there is a fellow
that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless steel.
They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he
makes elbows for your engine.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  
 From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black
Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine
Exhaust   I removed
the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with
very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was only
30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns
freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't
have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least a
week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow should
be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not possible
to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why
not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year
removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating Manual
which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just
sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all the
good suggestions.  

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Craig,
If I may step in, the Onan actually run at either 1500 or 1800 rpm depending on its frequency setting.
The load is the issue, which why several owner (Bill, Gary, Eric, etc.) have add Alternate Current Multimeter.
Illustration of the installation on NIKIMAT:
http://www.nikimat.com/blue_sea_ac_multimeter_8247.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Fri, 3/16/18, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, March 16, 2018, 8:48 AM


 










Hi Eric,You bring up an
interesting point when you say you had the same carbon build
up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not
running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a
variable speed genset, it always will be running at a high
rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be the
only issue. Isn't it low load that's the
issue? So
when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt
they're assuming it will be in gear and will present a
full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy
would be to load it with not just battery charging, but also
get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash
clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen,
actually.Sound about
right?Cheers,
Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In
amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...>
wrote :

Hi,I had his problem with my
genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80% of
its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are not
run that hard so is the main engine.Yanmar suggests to run
the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a
few time a dayThis blows the carbon out
of the turbo and the exhaust system.    The carbon is usually
glass hard.However if the elbow is
not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break out
the carbon.You might try something
like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better a
carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have
ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval” on
the elbow.  On eBay there is a fellow
that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless steel.
They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he
makes elbows for your engine.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376  
 From:
amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black
Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine
Exhaust   I removed
the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with
very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was only
30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns
freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't
have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least a
week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow should
be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not possible
to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why
not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year
removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating Manual
which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just
sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all the
good suggestions.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Arno Luijten
 

Clogged up elbows are pretty common. As said by others mainly because of under utilization of the engine's power. You need to push it into 70%-80% of it's power to achieve the high temperatures in the exhaust manifold to burn off the soot. If not, it will start to build-up and become hard.
If your elbow is still looking fairly OK then you can use muriatic/hydrochloric acid to get rid of the soot. Use the same stuff that is used to clean brick-walls. Keep an eye on the process and check the progress regularly. If you see holes starting to show in the injection pipe (that mixes the seawater with the exhaust fumes (look inside the elbow), you will need a new elbow. But you would have needed one anyway as the cast iron corroded completely (not because of the acid but the seawater).
As said by others check for elbows on Ebay. There is a US source that makes stainless elbows for about the same price as the regular Volvo one. I bought one of those a while ago  (for a VP D2-40), they are impeccable, other then the color there is no difference in appearance and shape. This will last much longer, although cleaning will be required every few years, depending on usage.

Cheers,

Arno

Re: Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

John Clark
 

Last year during the survey of my SM #37 (1990)  there was a puff of black smoke and some floating oil sheen, just for a second.  Never repeated.  The previous owners had not run the genset in several months as they stayed in marinas.   The surveyor and Jean Collin, the Amel rep in Le Marin who came along for the sailing part of the survey, both noticed it and both stated that it is normal for an engine that has been idle for a long period.

Over the last year, I have run the genset once a day (when not on shore power) and have not seen a repeat nor have I had any issues with the genset.

On the Volvo TAMD22 every once in a while if there is no wind and the motor has not been run in a while I can see some black smoke, which dissipates after a minute of run time.   

I would monitor the situation and not rush to spend money on it until I was sure there was a problem that needs to be fixed.  On the carbon build up, I think it is nonsense to say it cannot be cleaned up.  A Dremel took with a stainless steel wire brush would make short work of carbon.  If it is really hard then switch to a stone tip wheel.  
   Hope this helps.  John

John Clark 
SV Annie SM 37
Rock Sound Harbor,  Eleuthera

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 


Hi Eric,
You bring up an interesting point when you say you had the same carbon build up problem in your genset exhaust elbow, caused by not running at high enough rpm's. Unless you've got a variable speed genset, it always will be running at a high rpm (3000 or 3600 depending on Hertz), so rpm may not be the only issue. Isn't it low load that's the issue? 
So when Yanmar says to run the engine way up, no doubt they're assuming it will be in gear and will present a full load from the propeller. I think the genset analogy would be to load it with not just battery charging, but also get the Admiral to run her hair dryer, make toast, wash clothes and iron your shorts. Not a bad regimen, actually.
Sound about right?
Cheers, Craig SN#68 Sangaris

---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Hi,

I had his problem with my genset. It is caused by not running a diesel at about 80% of its redline. Diesels like to work hard. Our diesels are not run that hard so is the main engine.

Yanmar suggests to run the engine way up. In my case 3000 rpm for 15 minutes  a few time a day

This blows the carbon out of the turbo and the exhaust system.

 

 

The carbon is usually glass hard.

However if the elbow is not perforated due to corrosion, I would try  to break out the carbon.

You might try something like a dremel tool with a hard steel bit, or even better a carbide bit ,or a small cutoff disk. Being that they have ordered a new elbow for you,  you could go Medieval” on the elbow.

 

On eBay there is a fellow that makes beautiful Yanmar elbows out of stainless steel. They are much better than the factory unit. Possibly he makes elbows for your engine.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

 

 

I removed the elbow in Point-a-Pitre and it was almost blocked with very hard carbon deposits.  I'd guess that it was only 30% open. Even so the engine ran well. The turbo turns freely so is probably OK.  Unfortunately, they don't have the elbow here and must order it.  Will be at least a week.  The mechanic who looked at it said the elbow should be replaced every 3 years. He says that it is not possible to just clean out the carbon, but I don;t understand why not.  It's the first I'd heard about the 3 year removal requirement and saw nothing in the Operating Manual which has all of the routine maintenance identified. Just sending this to close out the question.  Thanks for all the good suggestions.  

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Placement of EV-1 sensor for Raymarine EV-400 autopilot

Thomas Peacock
 

We put in the exact system two years ago. While I had some concern about the proximity to the salon air conditioning unit and freezer, I did place the EV unit in the corner behind the settee, aft. The old flux gate is same location but in forward corner. We have had no problems. 
Tom Peacock
SM  240 Aletes
Isles des Saintes


On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:55 AM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Greetings all,


We are supplementing/replacing our existing Raymarine 400(G) autopilot to a Raymarine Evolution (EV-400), re-using the linear drive and rudder reference units.


Basis: improve reliability and redundancy going forward; eliminate some RF interference that the Furuno IF-NMEA-2K2 NMEA 183<->2000 data converter is introducing.  [This converter is used to take wind & nav info off the N2K bus and send it to existing 400G (which can only accept NMEA-183); also takes NMEA-183 heading data from the 400G (fluxgate compas & rate gyro) and puts it onto N2K bus for the chartplotter & radar.]


Does anyone already have the EV-400 with the EV-1 Sensor Core (the white dome thingey that looks a little like the starship enterprise)?  If so, where did you place the EV-1 sensor unit?


Thanks in anticipation,


David

SV Perigee SM#396

On Anchor, Sint Maarten