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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Nick

Yes, I believe any alternator will self-excite at higher revs.

One side of the relay has 12VDVC input when the engine start switch is turned to ON. The other side of the relay switches ON 24VDC to excite the alternator.

It is likely a loose or dirty connection on the relay.

Some Amels had the red warning light for the alternator wired in series with the excite circuit, and if that bulb were burned-out, the alternator will not excite. To be on the safe side, check that bulb, which on a SM is located on the bottom left of the 24 Volt panel. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Jan 24, 2018 12:49, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,


The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick

B&G sonic speed for sale

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

I replaced my sonic speed for paddle wheel type as the sonic sensors failed, and I did not feel like digging the old out and re-glassing new ones. I have the old sonic speed main control box that was returned to A & T instruments in the UK for a check and found to be in perfect order. I would like to offer this control unit for sale. I have the paperwork from A&T.


Nick S/Y Amelia (located Antigua) but I am in the UK with the sonic speed controller. Could send it anywhere.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

Hi Bill,

The boat is in Antigua, but I am in the UK for the moment. So you suspect that the excitation circuit needs to be checked. If this is the case I guess it self excites at the higher rpm. Would you agree?

Nick

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Nick, 

There is a small relay that is connected in-line before the alternator. This relay controls the excite circuit of the alternator. One side of the relay is 12VDC from your engine...the other side of the relay is 24VDC. Your alternator needs to be excited with 24VDC.

Either there is a loose wire on the relay or in that circuit, or the relay needs replacing.

You didn't post where you are so I can't recommend a source of help.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Jan 24, 2018 12:13, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have this alternator my Amel 54 number 019. I notice that it does not kick in to charge until about 1500 RPM then it kicks in and I can throttle back.

 

Is this normal?

If not could it be a case of the residual magnetism being low or a problem with the excitation?

If it is normal then great I need not worry.


Nick S/Y Amelia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

Ryan Meador
 

I don't know what the model of my alternator is, but it has the same behavior.  I believe this is so that the load of the alternator doesn't bog down the engine when it's trying to start (the starter generating power via the alternator is just a waste).  I was told it is normal.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 1:09 PM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have this alternator my Amel 54 number 019. I notice that it does not kick in to charge until about 1500 RPM then it kicks in and I can throttle back.

 

Is this normal?

If not could it be a case of the residual magnetism being low or a problem with the excitation?

If it is normal then great I need not worry.


Nick S/Y Amelia


Leece Neville 175 A 24v alternator

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

I have this alternator my Amel 54 number 019. I notice that it does not kick in to charge until about 1500 RPM then it kicks in and I can throttle back.

 

Is this normal?

If not could it be a case of the residual magnetism being low or a problem with the excitation?

If it is normal then great I need not worry.


Nick S/Y Amelia

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

.....so, the important clarification here is that I meant Cartagena in Colombia,
thanks, Alex


On Wednesday, January 24, 2018, 8:15:12 AM GMT-4, 'Willem J. Kroes' kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Alex,

 

Are you aiming at Cartagena in Spain (Murcia)?  If this is the case I have experience with Yacht Port Cartagena. I My boat was wintering there for two years. It is a safe marina at walking distance of the centre of a beautiful city. The marina staff is very helpful. Prices for a contract during the winter time are affordable. For catamarans it is relatively cheap because they don’t charge an extra percentage. There are quite a few liveaboards in this marina during the winter time. Ask Julia for a quotation in advance. Very good English speaking!

 

Best regards,

 

Willem Kroes

 

SM2K # 351  KAVANGA

 

 

Van: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 januari 2018 21:27
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

 

 

Dear Amelians,

do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?

Thanks for sharing your insights!

Best Regards,

Alex Ramseyer

SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

I just saw your email. The pump on Ebay has been sold, bad timing there. I have placed an order for two pumps thru Prevalent but have not yet received a confirmation either in my browser or via email so not sure yet of what is wrong. No need to pay for my pump, but thank you for that. I just hope that this company actually has stock and that these are the correct pumps for our engines. I will update you when I have more information.

Best,

James
Maramu #220

On Jan 24, 2018, at 11:30 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


hi there James

tried the eBay code but Zero results reply ... lost
tried purchase from Prévalent-first but cannot complete registration ...
tried to purchase via getezone site ... no reply yet

As I do not want to lose one of those pumps I would ask you to purchase both & sell back one to me, I will pay for both - bank transfer to your account - and arrange with you for shipment of one to me in Martinique. Soon as mounted I will confirm if OK & then you can reimburse the one you chose.

Your help is really appreciated there

fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :



Christian Alby,


Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114? If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps. One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html. I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you..

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348. The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154.

Fingers crossed that this helps.. I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique


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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Christian Alby,


I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck. I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure. The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause. It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning. Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft? I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess. If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed, you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip. Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure. Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure. I will post here if I am able to find another pump. Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Miles,

The voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.





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Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... <mailto:smilesbernard@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives..

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes

Miles

Sent from my iPhone

On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... <mailto:calbyy@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:



Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats.
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



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Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms! Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two... in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>, <calbyy@....> wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below 1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000

No loss of oil single de started.
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did not risk acceleration.

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde



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Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> a écrit :

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me. There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

hi there James

tried the eBay code but Zero results reply ... lost
tried purchase from Prévalent-first but cannot complete registration ...
tried to purchase via getezone site ... no reply yet

As I do not want to lose one of those pumps I would ask you to purchase both & sell back one to me, I will pay for both - bank transfer to your account - and arrange with you for shipment of one to me in Martinique. Soon as mounted I will confirm if OK & then you can reimburse the one you chose.

Your help is really appreciated there

fair winds

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Christian Alby,


   Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114?  If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps.    One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html.  I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you.  

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348.  The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154. 

Fingers crossed that this helps..  I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
 I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique



Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Christian Alby,


   I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.  I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure.  The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause.  It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning.    Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft?  I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess.  If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed,  you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip.  Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure.   Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure.   I will post here if I am able to find another pump.   Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,

The  voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold 
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets 

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.






Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives.. 

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes 

Miles


On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats. 
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019 
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds 
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 


Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms!  Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two...  in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below  1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000 

No loss of oil single de started.  
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did  not  risk acceleration. 

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde




Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me.  There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?  
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?  
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?  
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

Maren
replacing a Perkins M 4.154 on an Amel boat means you boat is a Maramu ? 
I have to replace my engine in the near future either by new engine, Volvo D2-55 no turbo was the choice as it fits the engine room supports & adapts on the propeller shaft without too much fiddling.
Power of the 55 HP is more than enough on my propeller, dia.20 - pitch 16 - drive ratio 2.73 / 1 - for port moves, battery charge, & pulling out of strong (5 knots) current or dead calm weather.
Worth to check before committing

one thing I might be interested in is to buy back you old M 4.54 engine if in running condition; would then be able to rebuild & keep as spare for my boat to replace existing one every 2 years, & therefore save a little on engine change over for new, to use on extra hours of sailing time; would you be selling ? or already booked to someone else ?

regards
& fair winds to come soon 

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎mardi‎ ‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎49‎:‎18‎ ‎-04, we3lhwbwcrmyelobwgjzvrv3zpxsyelcww55jvcu@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi,

we try to replace our Perkins 4154 with a Volvo d2-60. However, there are problems. We have to shorten the engine foundation by 8 cm in height so that the gearbox fits the shaft. We are not sure if this is a good idea. Today they get the old engine out of the boot.

 

The engine has 4500 engine hours. Is it better to do the old engine back or shorten the foundation and take the new engine. Or has anyone an idea for an other solution?

We want to start sailing in may for same years

Maren, SY Ariadne, Germany



 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

hi there James
best news this morning, reading yur msge
the pump shown on prévalent web site P/N 41314114 looks a lot like the pump I removed from the engine
inlet, outlet flanges look alike
shaft & gear - slight differences but look alike for length & size
only pressure relief valve location looks slightly different
I shall try & order the one on prévalent-first ... today (not well versed on eBay purchase, might try)
price is nothing compared to cost of new engine; Worth a try to repair with this pump.

the one on eBay is same P/N therefore a good bet that it will match - will check pictures & revert.

thanks again for assistance

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Now in Le Marin Martinique

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Le ‎mardi‎ ‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎17‎:‎00‎:‎25‎ ‎-04, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Christian Alby,


   Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114?  If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps.    One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html.  I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you.  

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348.  The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154. 

Fingers crossed that this helps..  I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
 I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique



Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Christian Alby,


   I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.  I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure.  The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause.  It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning.    Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft?  I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess.  If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed,  you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip.  Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure.   Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure.   I will post here if I am able to find another pump.   Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,

The  voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold 
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets 

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.






Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives.. 

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes 

Miles


On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats. 
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump ..... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019 
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds 
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 


Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms!  Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two...  in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below  1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000 

No loss of oil single de started.  
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did  not  risk acceleration. 

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde




Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me.  There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?  
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?  
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?  
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?








Re :Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

37° 35' S
000° 59' W
When entering the bay - behind breakwater - head to the entrance to the right, call on channel 9, marinero will be at head of pontoon to show you the berth & assist with lines
Have a nice stay
Christian - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - le Marin Martinique


Le mer., janv. 24, 2018 à 2:17, Gabriele Antolini svsunnyside@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 

Hi Christian
please could you tell me where Yacht Port Cartagena is situated ?  If you have the coordinated it is much easier.
Thank you

Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu 219



From: "christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners]"
Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018, 17:02
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

 
alex
yacht port Cartagena is open to all boats; slightly more expensive than the neighbouring one reserved mostly for resident boats.
very good berths with easy access, well orientated for prevailing winds & close to a lively & historical city.
facilities not up to spanish standards met in Barcelona or other ports in Spain, but cheaper price also.
Worth the stop over; we did early october 2017 & enjoyed every mn of it.
enjoy

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique




Le ‎mardi‎ ‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎40‎:‎18‎ ‎-04, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 
Dear Amelians,
do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Best Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Alex,

 

Are you aiming at Cartagena in Spain (Murcia)?  If this is the case I have experience with Yacht Port Cartagena. I My boat was wintering there for two years. It is a safe marina at walking distance of the centre of a beautiful city. The marina staff is very helpful. Prices for a contract during the winter time are affordable. For catamarans it is relatively cheap because they don’t charge an extra percentage. There are quite a few liveaboards in this marina during the winter time. Ask Julia for a quotation in advance. Very good English speaking!

 

Best regards,

 

Willem Kroes

 

SM2K # 351  KAVANGA

 

 

Van: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Verzonden: dinsdag 23 januari 2018 21:27
Aan: amelyachtowners@...
Onderwerp: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

 

 

Dear Amelians,

do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?

Thanks for sharing your insights!

Best Regards,

Alex Ramseyer

SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15

 

Re: Oh no...MOLD

Gary Wells
 

I had considerable staining when I acquired Adagio.  Folex makes a mold/mildew product which did a good job.  I did, however, also use a lot of elbow grease and a carpet steamer/cleaner to get it out .. well .. ~most~ of it.  It seems very difficult bring the carpeting/lining material back to 'purity', but the Folex was the best thing I've used that does not have chlorine in it.  Starbright make a powerful mold-remover for canvas but it definitely has bleach in it.  I used it on our bimini with great success, you just have to rinse thoroughly and quickly.

Best of luck!

Gary W
s/v Adagio, SM 209
Fethiye, Turkey

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

svsunnyside
 

Hi Christian
please could you tell me where Yacht Port Cartagena is situated ?  If you have the coordinated it is much easier.
Thank you

Gabriele
S/V Sunny Side
Maramu 219



From: "christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: "Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners]"
Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2018, 17:02
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

 
alex
yacht port Cartagena is open to all boats; slightly more expensive than the neighbouring one reserved mostly for resident boats.
very good berths with easy access, well orientated for prevailing winds & close to a lively & historical city.
facilities not up to spanish standards met in Barcelona or other ports in Spain, but cheaper price also.
Worth the stop over; we did early october 2017 & enjoyed every mn of it.
enjoy

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique




Le ‎mardi‎ ‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎40‎:‎18‎ ‎-04, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 
Dear Amelians,
do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Best Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

James Alton
 

Christian Alby,

   Can you verify if the correct Perkins part number for the oil pump you need is #41314114?  If so then I may have found two sources for new surplus oil pumps.    One is located on the website at: https://www.prevalent-first.top/perkins-4-154-oil-pump-41314114-cf-bedford-marine-engine-p-5822.html.  I am thinking ordering one for myself as a spare if this information looks correct to you.  

The other pump is located on Ebay, item #162047206348.  The Ebay ad shows part #41314114 and says that this pump fits the 4.154. 

Fingers crossed that this helps.  I also have some inquiries in for a used pump.  

Best,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

162047206348

On Jan 23, 2018, at 3:06 PM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James

Thanks for assistance
 I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique



Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Christian Alby,


   I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.  I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure.  The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause.  It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning.    Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft?  I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess.  If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed,  you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip.  Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure.   Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure.   I will post here if I am able to find another pump.   Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,

The  voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold 
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets 

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.






Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives. 

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes 

Miles


On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats. 
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump .... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019 
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds 
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 


Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms!  Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two...  in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below  1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000 

No loss of oil single de started.  
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did  not  risk acceleration. 

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde




Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me.  There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?  
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?  
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?  
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

alex
yacht port Cartagena is open to all boats; slightly more expensive than the neighbouring one reserved mostly for resident boats.
very good berths with easy access, well orientated for prevailing winds & close to a lively & historical city.
facilities not up to spanish standards met in Barcelona or other ports in Spain, but cheaper price also.
Worth the stop over; we did early october 2017 & enjoyed every mn of it.
enjoy

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Le Marin Martinique




Le ‎mardi‎ ‎23‎ ‎janvier‎ ‎2018‎ ‎16‎:‎40‎:‎18‎ ‎-04, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Dear Amelians,
do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Best Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15

Re: Perkins M 4.154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

we3lhwbwcrmyelobwgjzvrv3zpxsyelcww55jvcu@...
 

Hi,

we try to replace our Perkins 4154 with a Volvo d2-60. However, there are problems. We have to shorten the engine foundation by 8 cm in height so that the gearbox fits the shaft. We are not sure if this is a good idea. Today they get the old engine out of the boot.

 

The engine has 4500 engine hours. Is it better to do the old engine back or shorten the foundation and take the new engine. Or has anyone an idea for an other solution?

We want to start sailing in may for same years

Maren, SY Ariadne, Germany



 

Marinas in Cartagena / Colombia

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Dear Amelians,
do you know the marinas in Cartagena? I see three of them on the net. Is there any that you recommend or avoid?
Thanks for sharing your insights!
Best Regards,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS, AMEL54#15

Re :Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4 .154 engine repairs, rescheduling trip

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

James
Thanks for assistance
 I do not remember the way the gear is fixed but will try to see from pictures taken.
The non-marine version -perkins made, not the kubota look alike - has the same oil pump.
Fair wind
Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique

Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 15:33, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]
a écrit :
 

Christian Alby,


   I have been keeping my eye out for a replacement pump for you but so far no luck.  I think that you are correct that the worn pump is at least part of what is causing the lower than normal oil pressure.  The sudden drop of oil pressure to 0 when you reach 2000 RPM is very strange and I have been pondering a possible cause.  It makes me think that somehow the pump gear has sopped stopped turning.    Did you notice if any of the gears on your oil pump are pinned to the shaft?  I have seen some oil pumps secured with pins but am not sure about the Perkins 4.154, hence this is just an educated guess.  If one of these pins were to shear from the engine runaway and lack of lubrication which you said occurred when the engine failed,  you might still have enough friction present to drive the pump gear at low engine speeds but it could then begin to slip.  Replacement of that pin (if it exists) might solve the problem with the sudden loss of oil pressure.   Please let me know if you someday figure out what is the actual cause of this sudden loss of oil pressure.   I will post here if I am able to find another pump.   Can you tell me from your research if the non-marine version of the 4-154 has the same oil pump as your engine?

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jan 23, 2018, at 8:15 AM, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles,

The  voice of Volvo D2/55 la 3 fold 
Available immediatly in Martinique.
Do not want a turbo on my marine engine, useless & more prone to failures.
Recent model , widely spread, will find parts for a while.

Against volvo
Tied up with agents for service & parts.
Price ...

I still might give up on replacement here in martinique & keep on looking for an oil pump to do repairs, then sail to better deal location.

Note : old faithful M 4.154 is still reliable & so easy to run & maintain. Regrets 

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in le Marin Martinique.






Le mar., janv. 23, 2018 à 8:37, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Hi there Christian

As a fellow maramu owner with an older engine I’d be interested in your thoughts about the Volvo D2/55 as a replacement vs other alternatives. 

Size, simplicity, cost etc? What led you to choose the Volvo?

Many thanks and best wishes 

Miles


On 21 Jan 2018, at 14:29, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for concern & assistance Bill
guess all the advice & analysis of fault helped me come to the conclusion (already uderstood & applied before) that there is no shortcut when repairing engines or sailing boats. 
Oil pump is at fault - 100% sure
camshaft is unllikely eve though showing some wear on,poppets.

I am now in Le Marin, waiting for a firm quote on one Volvo D2/55 available for fit up ... on solution even though unplanned this year;
I am also looking for one Perkins Oil pump .... could replace in situ at no great cost & would postpone replacement by new engine to 2019 
or back to Europ in April & do a change over of engines with Perkins or else ... Selling back my 'Old Faithful'

fair winds 
chrsitian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 - Le Marin Martinique



Le ‎dimanche‎ ‎31‎ ‎décembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎12‎:‎53‎:‎11‎ ‎-04, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :


 


Christian,

I am afraid I have no good ideas that match your symptoms!  Since you have both the gauge and alarm reporting low pressure, I have to assume it is real and not a problem with the measurement.

Sometimes low oil level can cause low pressure at high rpm as the pump sucks so much oil out of the crankcase it sucks air, but you checked that.

A stuck open pressure relief valve that resets itself when the engine shuts down could be an an issue, but that seems unlikely.

Maybe someone else has an idea or two...  in any event do let us know what the solution turns out to be!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Key West, FL



---In amelyachtowners@...,
Here is

Yes - oil pressure gauge and l'os pressure alarme on
When oil pressure below  1 bar, alarme nées
Oil pressure drops quickly at 2000 rpm
Oil pressure remains stable when low or normal
Oil pressure remains low when reducing speed from 2000 

No loss of oil single de started.  
Ran 1hour maneuvring in port at 1300 rpm at 2 bars, went To idle after 1 hour at 700 rpm with 1.1 bar oil pressure.
Did  not  risk acceleration. 

Thks for assiste

Christian alby - Desirade VIII - Maramu 116 - now in Mindelo Carbo Verde




Le dim., déc. 31, 2017 à 14:58, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :
 

Losing oil pressure at high RPM and having it come back at low RPM is a bit of a puzzle to me.  There are ways it can happen, but they are a bit exotic


Do you have an oil pressure gauge AND an low oil pressure alarm?  
If so, is the gauge showing low pressure AND you get an alarm?  
Does the oil pressure drop quickly at 2000RPM or does it drift down slowly?  
Is it stable, or does it bounce around?
Does it come back quickly when you reduce the RPM, or does it stay low?