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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Hi Mark

We had the 100L/Hr Duo on Island Pearl II and went around the work in three years with a new 2016 set of membranes. Those membranes were still perfect at the end of our trip doing a full 100L/Hr easily on the a/c current but slightly down to 75L/hr on the DC current motor. 

We were absolutely fussy about the cleanliness of ocean water before running it and were sometimes scoffed at by others eg in Rodrigues (Indian Ocean) for lifting anchor, risking losing our good spot to go out to sea every four-five days to make water whilst other cruiser friends simply made water inside the large seawater harbour where we felt the water was not up to scratch. Also, we never took the boat out onto the hard for a season, even though we had planned to do this in the Caribbean in 2019.

If you are careful like this, which I suspect you are, then there must be something else at play with your system and I look forward to hearing about that from other more experienced cruisers here.

Also, since we have communicated often and I admire your equally careful approach to looking after Creampuff, I highly suspect that when you refer to "running your watermaker at least once per week in marina's", that you actually meant "doing a freshwater flush cycle" in the marina from your tank as per the manual requirements.... rather than actually making water from the extremely dirty marina seawater which would totally explain everything about your problems, but which I am equally sure you would never have done. 

Colin Streeter
Brisbane ex Island Pearl II

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 12:10 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:

Hi Mark.

I am very careful about where i run my watermaker. Never in a marina and it has to be an exeptionaly clean harbour before I will run it there. Also I am paranoid about even traces of chlorine. It is many years since I allowed any chlorinated water into my tank. However you living full time aboard would suggest a lot of use. Like a car,  its not the time that wears them out but the milage. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 19 April 2020 at 12:21 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please.

 

Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes.

 

When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes.

 

We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range.

 

Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 



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Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Mark.

I am very careful about where i run my watermaker. Never in a marina and it has to be an exeptionaly clean harbour before I will run it there. Also I am paranoid about even traces of chlorine. It is many years since I allowed any chlorinated water into my tank. However you living full time aboard would suggest a lot of use. Like a car,  its not the time that wears them out but the milage. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 19 April 2020 at 12:21 Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please.

 

Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes.

 

When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes.

 

We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range.

 

Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


 


 

Re: Excessive usage of water maker membranes

Bill Hall
 

Running your water maker in a marina environment can expose it to oil and fuel residues.  Oils will ruin water maker membrains.   If you don’t have an oil separation filter on your intake it would be worth installing one

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please.

 

Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes.

 

When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes.

 

We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range.

 

Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

Excessive usage of water maker membranes

Mark Erdos
 

I need a little help with water maker usage and maintenance, please.

 

Cream Puff has a 24v D60 water-maker. My problem is we seem to be going through membranes at the rate of a pair a year. I have read where others have used the same set of membranes for years and still get drinkable water. This is not the case with us. We are in our 5th year of full time cruising and are now on our 6th set of membranes.

 

When I last change membranes in Colombia, this was about March 2019. Our current membranes are just over a year old. The PPMs are starting to creep up a bit now and we have gone from the 300 range to the 500 range. We notice a change in drinking quality over 600 PPMs. This is when we usually change the membranes.

 

We run the water-maker at least once a week when in a marina, flush it with the fresh water rinse. I have a double charcoal filter set up for the tank rinse. When on anchor it is run just about every day. I am careful to watch the pressure and water making float gauge. I normally set it at 55 liters per hour and this put the pressure in lower side of the green range.

 

Any ideas why our membranes are not lasting or why our PPMs creep up?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

I’d like to attend also…

Jean-Pierre Germain,  SY Eleuthera SM 007



On 19 Apr 2020, at 09:21, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:

I’d like to join also! Let us know the date & time!

Thanks, Karen
S/v Harmonie SM #160






Jean-Pierre Germain



Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Karen Smith
 

I’d like to join also! Let us know the date & time!

Thanks, Karen
S/v Harmonie SM #160



Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Roy Zakheym
 

Hi Bill
I'm interested as well
Best regards
Roy zakheym.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


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Date: 4/17/20 20:12 (GMT+02:00)
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All,

I received an excellent suggestion from an Amel owner this morning. He suggested a ZOOM meeting for interested owners to discuss a few topics.

I envision us meeting for a total of 30 minutes to discuss two issues. If there is interest we could schedule subsequent ZOOM meetings.

Is there any member of our group that is experienced with hosting a ZOOM meeting and willing to volunteer to moderate the meeting?

Any other thoughts?

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar

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Teun BAAS
 

Bill,

 

Interested.

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

Currently on the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

April 18, 2020 10:22:30

 

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All,

 

I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.

 

Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.

 

When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.

 

I am looking forward to this.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:

As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.

 

Cheers!

Brian Riggs

 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.

Porter 

S/v ibis



On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Fabio Palazzo
 

I’d like to listen in as well. 

Fabio Palazzo
Future Maramu owner


On Apr 18, 2020, at 5:59 PM, stevejb59 <stevejb59@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:26 AM, Ian Townsend wrote:
Interested. 
 
 
A couple of SM specific topics:
- furler maintenance
- dodger window replacement 
- galley upgrades eg. Refrigeration, oven/stove, sinks, taps, counters, etc.
 
Topics that might apply to all/most:
- rig tuning
- blue water dinghy storage 
- anchors
 
Ian
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 
 
-------- Original message --------
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Date: 2020-04-18 10:14 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
 
All,
 
I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.
 
Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.
 
When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.
 
I am looking forward to this.
 
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:
As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.
 
Cheers!
Brian Riggs

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis

 

On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

 

 


 Hi All.
We would also be intrested if timing is suitable.
locked down in Spain.

Regards

Steve Bell
S/Y Dusk
SM #378

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Steve Bell
 

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 09:26 AM, Ian Townsend wrote:
Interested. 
 
 
A couple of SM specific topics:
- furler maintenance
- dodger window replacement 
- galley upgrades eg. Refrigeration, oven/stove, sinks, taps, counters, etc.
 
Topics that might apply to all/most:
- rig tuning
- blue water dinghy storage 
- anchors
 
Ian
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 
 
-------- Original message --------
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Date: 2020-04-18 10:14 (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿
 
All,
 
I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.
 
Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.
 
When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.
 
I am looking forward to this.
 
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
 
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
 
View My Training Calendar

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:
As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.
 
Cheers!
Brian Riggs

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis

 

On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

 

 


 Hi All.
We would also be intrested if timing is suitable.
locked down in Spain.

Regards

Steve Bell
S/Y Dusk
SM #378

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Ian Townsend
 

Interested. 


A couple of SM specific topics:
- furler maintenance
- dodger window replacement 
- galley upgrades eg. Refrigeration, oven/stove, sinks, taps, counters, etc.

Topics that might apply to all/most:
- rig tuning
- blue water dinghy storage 
- anchors

Ian
SM153
Fort Lauderdale, FL

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
Date: 2020-04-18 10:14 (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification" <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

All,

I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.

Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.

When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.

I am looking forward to this.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:
As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.

Cheers!
Brian Riggs

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis


On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

 

All,

I am going to wait a few more days to be able to get some more comments. I have been contacted by one group member who is an experienced ZOOM administrator and has a commercial account with ZOOM. This will benefit all of us.

Those interested please reply to this thread with their suggested topic(s), or any other suggestions. Once I have those suggestions, I will produce a "poll" of suggested date/times and topics.

When the above is completed, I plan to turn it over to the volunteer owner/administrator.

I am looking forward to this.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:26 AM Brian Riggs <7briggs@...> wrote:
As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.

Cheers!
Brian Riggs

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis


On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Brian Riggs
 

As a future SM2k owner, I'd love to lurk as well.

Cheers!
Brian Riggs

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 09:20 Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis


On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Paul Stascavage
 

I would be interested in joining the meeting.

All the Best,

Paul Stascavage
S/V Rita Kathryn SM #466

RitaKathryn.com

Currently Cruising Bahamas

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

Porter McRoberts
 

Love to be a part of this. Regardless of topics.
Porter 
S/v ibis


On Apr 18, 2020, at 9:03 AM, HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ <hoffi@...> wrote:

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

HOFMEYR SCHOLTZ
 

I there,
I'm a near-future Amel owner. If you'd have me please count me in.
Hofmeyr

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

greg greg
 

initially i thought to ask about the agenda for the meeting.... but now i'm sure the meeting itself is valuable regardless of the agenda :)

i go. don't see the time..

Re: Shaft and propeller for Sharki - R&D project.

Ph Belloir <pbelloir@...>
 

Original amel plan

Philippe

Re: 𝗭𝗢𝗢𝗠 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗴𝗲𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿

scentstone
 

HI BIll,

Thank you ! I'll be very happy to join if time-difference allows ;-)

Just one word about Zoom, as some stated, they are facing serious privacy concerns.

Another suggestion if you prefer not installing their crappy stuff you can try an open source, very simple system at https://meet.jit.si/ . Jitsi Meet is a fully encrypted, 100% open source video conferencing solution that you can use all day, every day, for free — with no account needed. ;-)

Example https://meet.jit.si/AmelYachtOwners   straight into your browser's window. Nothing else but joining (just look at the bottom for activating camera and sound )

[Note] Feel free to edit the post if it's not interesting or respecting the etiquette 

Fred S/V ScentStone SM2K #375

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Alejandro Paquin
 

Good morning, I´d like to take part too....
--
Alex Paquin
S/V " SIMPATICO"
Amel Maramu
Hull #94, 1981