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Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Matt Salatino
 

How about the Channel Islands, or Gibraltar?

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 3, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: New England Lobster Pots

James Alton
 

Bill,
   I forgot to add that most of the deep water pots will have a second smaller float on them called a toggle.  The toggle aids in preventing the main float from being pulled underwater due to current or wind.  Try to avoid passing between the toggle and the main float since the pick-up line runs between these two floats.  Best of luck. James.  

On Aug 3, 2020 11:13 AM, "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...> wrote:


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Mohammad Shirloo
 

When we were wintering in Greece, this is the same information we were told. The time that the cruising permit is surrendered to customs, is not counted towards the 18 month time limit.

 

However, opinions and responses vary drastically in the EU, depending on the country and the official you are talking to. We did take this issue seriously, but in our 6 years of cruising the Med, we have never been faced with an inquiry from any official regarding the amount of time Kokomo has been in EU waters.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 7:20 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

 

Bill,

 

   Depending on when Greece reopens to US travellers, I am potentially in a very similar situation with regard to the VAT and the 18 month limit.  My boat is located in Preveza, Greece and I have been using an agent there named Sofia to handle the paperwork.  I inquired with her on this issue and received the response posted below:

 

Hello

James

As long as the transit log deposit to the the customs office the clock is stopped

So the sueno can stay without VAT mire time than 18 months.

 

 

Beat regards

Sofia Gravani

Agency manager

 

(Sofia placed the transit log for Sueño with the customs office last October)

 

Despite this positive response I am still concerned about going over the 18 month limit.  Do you feel that this information is adequate or should I follow up and try to verify this information?  If you recommend that I verify then would you know who I should contact?

 

Thanks,

 

James Alton

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:49 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

Joerg,

 

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

 

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

 

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

 

Bill

 

 

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

  

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain

 

 

 


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

Ralph Heilig
 

Thank You Bill,

but when the engine is running, the brake is not engaging and the ram is pressed in.

I got the pads from Amel today and will be on the boat on Thursday. I will let you know what I found.

Ralph


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

France will certainly not be “more” helpful.  

Don’t play game with the customs, especially not the French.  

“They” will decided on the value of your boat to charge you the 20% VAT.  

Can’t you sail to Morocco, Tunisia, Turkey?  Any non-EU country?  


Sincerely, Alexandre


On Monday, August 3, 2020, 08:24:10 AM CDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

JB Duler
 

Another reliable option is to hire a captain to take her to Tunisia. I have used the Marina Monestir in the past. If you are in the Med, it is an easy trip. Sometimes at this time of the year it involves just motoring on a flat Med, just like glass.

If you are in Vigo, other non EEU options are Morocco (super easy) and  Guernesey, if they have room (more difficult). Sailing North and around Britany could be complicated (storms + massive tides).

This is unfortunate and I am painfully aware of the various trade related disputes between the US and Europe. The US has shown little flexibility, if any, so I would expect the same in return from Europe.

JB
San Francisco

Em seg., 3 de ago. de 2020 às 10:25, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> escreveu:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain





Re: New England Lobster Pots

karkauai
 

Thanks Bill and James, the wind has freshened a bit, and we should be able to sail again soon. More worried about motoring or motor sailiing. Will get into 175 ft or so and see what we run across, so to speak.

Kent

On Aug 3, 2020 10:47 AM, "James Alton via groups.io" <lokiyawl2@...> wrote:
Bill,

   We sailed for 8 seasons in Maine and unfortunately these pots will often be set in waters deeper than 200’.  The deep set ones tend to be the worst since they will have significant ballast  (concrete blocks usually) in the pot to keep the pot from dragging so you don’t want to draw these into your running gear.  Sailing at night is probably ok so long as you clear your prop before starting your engine and getting under power.  You should be able to tell if you are dragging one of these things without going under to have a look since they cause a lot of drag. If things open up and you are able, consider Nova Scotia.  No pots at all on the South Shore during the season and even during the season the pots are minimal.  The water is also much warmer.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Bill Hall <billhall95688@...> wrote:

Usually past 160 feet of water

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:29 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243





Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Roque
 

Joerg. You could try to reach Barbara at info@....  Whatsapp +34  620 87 50 97. She lives in Alicante, and used to be the Amel representative in Spain. Bárbara handled everything I needed during almost 4 years while sailing in the Med.  She became a good friend, since. Even if she can’t help you directly, she may point you to the right direction. She speaks English.  Good luck. 

Roque
Attika  A54 #117
Paraty - Brazil

Em seg., 3 de ago. de 2020 às 10:25, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> escreveu:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: New England Lobster Pots

James Alton
 

Bill,

   We sailed for 8 seasons in Maine and unfortunately these pots will often be set in waters deeper than 200’.  The deep set ones tend to be the worst since they will have significant ballast  (concrete blocks usually) in the pot to keep the pot from dragging so you don’t want to draw these into your running gear.  Sailing at night is probably ok so long as you clear your prop before starting your engine and getting under power.  You should be able to tell if you are dragging one of these things without going under to have a look since they cause a lot of drag. If things open up and you are able, consider Nova Scotia.  No pots at all on the South Shore during the season and even during the season the pots are minimal.  The water is also much warmer.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Bill Hall <billhall95688@...> wrote:

Usually past 160 feet of water

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:29 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243




Re: New England Lobster Pots

Bill Hall
 

Usually past 160 feet of water

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:29 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243


New England Lobster Pots

karkauai
 

Hi All,
We are finally making our way to Maine, first time North of Cape Cod. There are lobster Pots EVERYWHERE, even in 120 feet of water.  We'd like to sail overnight, but don't have a line cutter on the prop.
Does anyone know if there's a depth or distance offshore where we would be unlikely to encounter lobster pots and could safely sail at night?

Thanks,
Kent and Iris
Kristy
SM243


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Hey, Bill
yes, I think this is a matter that can be brought to court , but that would have the risk that the boat will be set up to the verdict or the tax will be deposited .
i would ask a specialist for EU tax law about the exceptions to be provided for here, and I would not rely on the Spanish authorities alone.

Moreover , I must agree with Gerhard , and why should the Spanish be generous in this area , they need every cent

Elja
SM Balu
Kalamata

Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Depending on when Greece reopens to US travellers, I am potentially in a very similar situation with regard to the VAT and the 18 month limit.  My boat is located in Preveza, Greece and I have been using an agent there named Sofia to handle the paperwork.  I inquired with her on this issue and received the response posted below:

Hello
James
As long as the transit log deposit to the the customs office the clock is stopped
So the sueno can stay without VAT mire time than 18 months.


Beat regards
Sofia Gravani
Agency manager

(Sofia placed the transit log for Sueño with the customs office last October)

Despite this positive response I am still concerned about going over the 18 month limit.  Do you feel that this information is adequate or should I follow up and try to verify this information?  If you recommend that I verify then would you know who I should contact?

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Aug 3, 2020, at 9:49 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Joerg,

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
  
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain





Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Gerhard Mueller
 

It is right what Bill is telling. But I'm afraid the europaen people has changed their mind about the US since the changes in US politics.
I see more and more people in Europe since some years talking bad about the US now. Hopefully that will change after the elections.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Joerg

why don't you check if you can sail to England? Thy leave the eu some month ago.

if it is allowed to enter the EU for us members
furthermore , entry restrictions are in place to the EU .




Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Re: Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

 

Joerg,

For what it is worth, I found the strictest countries to be Spain and Greece and the most liberal, Malta. Of course, this was my experience several years ago, and as you know the customs officer that you approach varies, some strict, some not. Some Ships Agents get away with everything, some get away with nothing. Some owners are shown leniency from an official, while the same official is strict with another vessel's owner. 

Another side note: I really hated to meet with a customs official who was just "lectured to" by an English speaking person, telling him how to do his job. That official assumed the worst with me, simply because I spoke English.

I would try another Ship's Agent, hopefully 3rd-party recommended. I heard that these disputes can wind up in a local court with a judge making the final decision. Even though this can be expensive hiring a lawyer, in the end, this could be good for you, unless the judge had a not-so-good experience with someone he associates with you (like my example above).

I hope this helps, at least somewhat.

Bill


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 8:25 AM Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

 

Scott,

To answer your question, the foam tied about every 2 meters is to keep the wires from twisting inside the channel and jamming. This is something that, as far as I know, only Amel does. I suspect that the reason you have a jam is that somehow the wires twisted anyway.
image.png

I hope all Amel owners are reading this because the biggest cause of the wires jamming is someone adds wires that do not have this simple piece of foam.

I think there are 3 possible solutions:
  1. Pull the entire group of wires in that channel down, then reinstall them.
  2. Try pulling from the top. 
  3. You might also attempt someone at the top and someone at the bottom alternately pulling up, then down.
Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 5:45 AM Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica <oliver.henrichsen@...> wrote:
Hello Scott,

1. You need to pull up the mouse line with the foam dampers to the masttop, while there is a line fixed at the lower end to pull it back in later.

2. You use the plain mouse line to pull in your new cable

3. Plull the damping line back in


That way we have been successfull. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 04:05 Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
Main

Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 10:03 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: File /disk brake A54 slipping shaky.mov uploaded

 

Ralph,

It is possible to damage your Volvo engine or Reversing ZF Hurth Transmission if you run the engine with the brake engaged. If the brake is dragging when the engine is running, it is best to remove it now.

Good luck.
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 11:57 PM Ralph Heilig <ralph.heilig@...> wrote:
Thank's Bill, Courtney, Porter,

it realy looks like something is broken. Maud already shipped the new brake pads, which I will change anyhow when I remove the brake (picture below). I hope to get them this week and then next week demount the brake and inspect.

The tip's with the coin or washer are great, but in my case, when you watch the video, there seems to be something broken. I don't think that's normal, that you can move the whole brake like this. The video was made with the engine NOT running and the ram out at max 60mm.

Ralph
Santa Isabella, A54, #144


Covid, Spanish VAT and the18 month temporary importation rule

Joerg Esdorn
 

My boat - US flagged - is in Spain on the hard and I am getting close to the maximum 18 months temporary importation period for VAT purposes.  Keeping the boat in Europe past the 18 months would mean that I owe VAT on the value of the boat.  Yet I cannot currently travel to the boat from the US and have had to cancel my entire season, including a sail to the Faroe Islands to get out of the EU customs zone and reset my 18 months.  The EU indicated in March that local customs offices should show flexibility in situations like mine.  So I engaged a customs agent is Spain to get me an extension of the 18 months to next summer.  They just got back to me that they could not help me.  Has anyone had success with Spanish customs (or French customs) on this issue?  I’m thinking of sailing the boat to France if the French are more helpful.  Many thanks for any help you can provide!


joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem, Vigo Spain


Re: Tips appreciated: Major frustration trying to pull cable through Mizzen.

Oliver Henrichsen, SV Vela Nautica
 

Hello Scott,

1. You need to pull up the mouse line with the foam dampers to the masttop, while there is a line fixed at the lower end to pull it back in later.

2. You use the plain mouse line to pull in your new cable

3. Plull the damping line back in


That way we have been successfull. 

Oliver from Vela Nautica Amel54#39 
Martinique 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 04:05 Annsofie & Jonas Svanberg <ann-sofie@...> wrote:
Main

Ann-Sofie & Jonas
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998

Skickat från min iPhone

3 aug. 2020 kl. 10:03 skrev Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>:

Yes, that's what our foam pieces look like too. 

This is for your mizzen or main? Thanks!


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com