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Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Was the Orion charger an upgrade?  Check the battery.  The start battery should not be discharged just because the start-battery-charger goes down.  Unless there is a short somewhere.
1A. Replace the fuse with a 15amp fuse.
1.  Check there is no short or leakage in the start circuit for the Genset.
2.  Check there is no short or leakage in the start circuit for the Engine.
3.  Try a different battery for the start circuit.
4.  Check to see if there is a short in the key switch for the engine start.
5.  If, nothing fixed the problem, there is probably something wrong within the Orion Charger. 


I don't believe that the start battery should be supplying current to anything with the engine off and the genset off.  Even if your charger went dead for 10 engine starts, your battery should be able to handle it.

Just my thoughts.. 
Hope you find the problem.

Ken on Aquarius SM2K #262


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

John Clanton
 

Joerg’s advice is the first thing I thought of when reading the original post.

The fuse size is not the problem. As in all things Amel, there is logic in why that particular fuse is 15 amps, even though it is not obvious to the rest of us.

Once resolved, please post the underlying problem as well as the logic that does not seem obvious.

Fair Winds,


John
SV Devereux
A55, No.65


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Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

 

David, don't forget, "before David."
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:21 PM Craig Briggs via groups.io <sangaris=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Dave,
It sure quacks like the balooner halyard not being removed. Although you've not had the balooner up yourself, my guess is it was done by a prior owner and those were bent when you got the boat. How long have you had her?
Craig -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: New rub rail inserts

Craig Briggs
 

Hi again, Dave. When you say you've had a couple of cracks in your rub rail inserts, it sounds like you've got a rigid plastic insert.  Eric mentioned that's what he had too. These new inserts are EPDM rubber - not a rigiid plastic and they, by definition, don't crack - they flex.
Nobody has pinned it down definitively, but it seems Amel may have had the rigid plastic at some time. I believe the underlying structure is the same, though, and these new rubber inserts will fit perfectly. Just want you to realize they are flexible rubber, not a hard plastic, 

Cheers, Craig  ---  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Dave,
It sure quacks like the balooner halyard not being removed. Although you've not had the balooner up yourself, my guess is it was done by a prior owner and those were bent when you got the boat. How long have you had her?
Craig -- SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: New rub rail inserts

David Kurtz
 

OK, Pat, I’m in as well.  I had a couple of cracks in my rubrail inserts previously, but the trip through the Erie Canal and 36 locks has been a little rough on the rubrail.  And I accumulated several more cracks in the inserts.  I see your email address in another post so I’ll be in touch regarding details.  And thanks for putting this together!

Regards,
Dave
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

David Kurtz
 

So... I returned to the boat to take a closer look at the roller furling swivel, which is down at deck level since the sail is not hoisted.  The swivel turns freely, with no sign of jamming.  And the ballooner has yet to be hoisted, so that’s not it.  I’m going to fabricate a couple of temporary guide rods (until I can get originals from Amel) and hoist the sail with those.  I still do not feel I have the answer to the bent rods.  I’m just going to watch them more closely.
--
Dave Kurtz
SM2 #380
S/V Celtic Cross

Detroit, Michigan


Re: Galley refrigerator not cooling

Barry Connor
 

Thank you Bill, I have been dealing with Caraibe Marine and they are very helpful. I didn’t know that they would do gas pressure settings on fridges. I will see them this week.
Best
Barry


On Aug 30, 2020, at 09:24, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Thank you Paul. I will ask Alban at Amel Le Marin to recommend someone.
Best
Barry


On Aug 29, 2020, at 04:47, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Barry,

 

Yes it is the same. I don’t want to cast aspersions but I can say that Stuart from Iguana Marine in Grenada managed to fix a fridge that was not fixable in Le Marin.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 28 August 2020 14:40
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

Hi Paul, 

We are still in Le Marin. Went to the shop upstairs above Caraibe Marine and bought a new fridge door opening latch. The big French man in the shop was nice and recommended the all stainless steel latch instead of the original latch which was part plastic. (The plastic part had broken).His price was the same as advertised online from UK supplier. Easy install by me.

Is this possibly who you are referring to as we are thinking of asking him to check our fridge gas pressure? The gas pipe at the back is freezing up and dropping water on top of the water tank inspection port, then the water runs to under the stair. Mopping it up each morning. Think I have too much gas in the system. I have already Re-claged the pipe in insulation but still freezing up.

Please let me know if you think this is the same man?

We contacted Driftwood about our windscreens but can’t get to Granada, still stuck in Martinique. Thank’s for the contact.

Very Best 

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 



On Aug 28, 2020, at 04:00, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Yes, that’s exactly what happened to me in Le Marin and I fell for it

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: 28 August 2020 07:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

You need to be very careful when cleaning your fridge.  If you get the ice off the plate with something that could puncture the gas lines within the plate, this is not being very careful.  One of my fridges was not working, and actually found a honest refrigeration guy in Tahiti.  He said, yeah I could change some parts, but I don't think that's the problem.  The quick connect links (that only cost a few dollars) usually go bad, so let's change them and fill up back up and run it.  It worked!  Paid for an hour of time, little bit of gas, and two quick connect gaskets...  Still working 2.5 years later....  All for less than $100 dollar bill.  

Now, if you were in Le Marin. there's a 6' 2" French guy that will tell you you need a new refrigerator and installation which cost only $3500.

Cheers,

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

Gary Wells
 

Happened to us early on as we didn't get the idea that the ballooner/spinnaker halyard has to remain quite tight and well out of the way (aft) of the spinning foil.  A halyard wrap into the genoa will cause the swivel and horns to rotate until you stop furling or the halyard parts.

In my case it was caused by an effort to tack the gennaker.  I figured since the gennaker had to be doused and cleared to the other side we  might as well use the genoa for a while to keep speed.  During the transition, when I was in fact holding on to the spinnaker halyard, it got wrapped up in the genoa as it was being furled and quite literally pulled me up and onto my feet.  Even stopping the furling immediately the horns we now pretzels.  Lesson learned; that spinnaker halyard must be kept tight and aft of the furler so it doesn't get caught in a wrap-up at the top.

sav@... has them in stock as far as I know, and if you choose to have a couple made up at a machine shop, it'll likely be just about the same price as ordering them. 

Almost lastly ... if the 'horns' are installed incorrectly, or if the swivel has lost its bearings or the "Crayon" inside, it can lead to scoring on the foil.  It could also lead to the horns catching onto one of the sail tracks and spinning with the foil.

Lastly, I douse that genoa and inspect and lube that swivel fairly often; two or three times a year.  :)

Hope that helps a little.

 

Gary W.
SM209, Adagio
Maryland, USA

 

 


Re: Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

I recommend that you contact the following in e Marin:
Contact: 
Patrice FOUGEROUSE 
CARAIBE REFRIGERATION

Port du Marin, Bassin N°1
Bl Allegre
97290 LE MARIN
MARTINIQUE FWI

patrice@... OR
contact@...
+596 (0) 696 82 24 04 
  
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 8:24 AM Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you Paul. I will ask Alban at Amel Le Marin to recommend someone.
Best
Barry


On Aug 29, 2020, at 04:47, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Barry,

 

Yes it is the same. I don’t want to cast aspersions but I can say that Stuart from Iguana Marine in Grenada managed to fix a fridge that was not fixable in Le Marin.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 28 August 2020 14:40
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

Hi Paul, 

We are still in Le Marin. Went to the shop upstairs above Caraibe Marine and bought a new fridge door opening latch. The big French man in the shop was nice and recommended the all stainless steel latch instead of the original latch which was part plastic. (The plastic part had broken).His price was the same as advertised online from UK supplier. Easy install by me.

Is this possibly who you are referring to as we are thinking of asking him to check our fridge gas pressure? The gas pipe at the back is freezing up and dropping water on top of the water tank inspection port, then the water runs to under the stair. Mopping it up each morning. Think I have too much gas in the system. I have already Re-claged the pipe in insulation but still freezing up.

Please let me know if you think this is the same man?

We contacted Driftwood about our windscreens but can’t get to Granada, still stuck in Martinique. Thank’s for the contact.

Very Best 

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 



On Aug 28, 2020, at 04:00, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Yes, that’s exactly what happened to me in Le Marin and I fell for it

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: 28 August 2020 07:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

You need to be very careful when cleaning your fridge.  If you get the ice off the plate with something that could puncture the gas lines within the plate, this is not being very careful.  One of my fridges was not working, and actually found a honest refrigeration guy in Tahiti.  He said, yeah I could change some parts, but I don't think that's the problem.  The quick connect links (that only cost a few dollars) usually go bad, so let's change them and fill up back up and run it.  It worked!  Paid for an hour of time, little bit of gas, and two quick connect gaskets...  Still working 2.5 years later....  All for less than $100 dollar bill.  

Now, if you were in Le Marin. there's a 6' 2" French guy that will tell you you need a new refrigerator and installation which cost only $3500.

Cheers,

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


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Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Paolo,
Now that you confirm there's no 240v involved, it is dollars to donuts just some corrosion in the windlass feed wires inside its housing. And you're right, the windlass, rails and rigging are not in the anti-galvanic ("grounding") system. The 24v short is taking a different path to the rails, like down your chain or whatever.

Regardless, this is so likely such a basic and simple fix that you really should do it yourself, if for no other reason than to gain some self-sufficiency for your trans Atlantic crossing ;-)  Don't even bother checking with your multimeter - just open the windlass cover and clean up the connections!  If you've still got the problem, then spend the money for the electrician, or, better yet, keep looking yourself. Plus, as Ken points out, it's good to do this as preventive maintenance. 

Good luck with it,
Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Joerg Esdorn
 

The electrical plans confirm this is a 15A fuse.  I would contact Stephane at Pochon and ask him your question.  Pochon designs all the electrical systems for Amel.  Stephane is the client relations guy for all Amel owners.  stephane@...

Good Luck!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Galley refrigerator not cooling

Barry Connor
 

Thank you Paul. I will ask Alban at Amel Le Marin to recommend someone.
Best
Barry


On Aug 29, 2020, at 04:47, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Barry,

 

Yes it is the same. I don’t want to cast aspersions but I can say that Stuart from Iguana Marine in Grenada managed to fix a fridge that was not fixable in Le Marin.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 28 August 2020 14:40
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

Hi Paul, 

We are still in Le Marin. Went to the shop upstairs above Caraibe Marine and bought a new fridge door opening latch. The big French man in the shop was nice and recommended the all stainless steel latch instead of the original latch which was part plastic. (The plastic part had broken).His price was the same as advertised online from UK supplier. Easy install by me.

Is this possibly who you are referring to as we are thinking of asking him to check our fridge gas pressure? The gas pipe at the back is freezing up and dropping water on top of the water tank inspection port, then the water runs to under the stair. Mopping it up each morning. Think I have too much gas in the system. I have already Re-claged the pipe in insulation but still freezing up.

Please let me know if you think this is the same man?

We contacted Driftwood about our windscreens but can’t get to Granada, still stuck in Martinique. Thank’s for the contact.

Very Best 

 

Barry and Penny

“SV Lady Penelope II”

Amel 54. #17

Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 

 

 



On Aug 28, 2020, at 04:00, Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown <paul.dowd@...> wrote:



Yes, that’s exactly what happened to me in Le Marin and I fell for it

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ken Powers SV Aquarius
Sent: 28 August 2020 07:29
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Galley refrigerator not cooling

 

You need to be very careful when cleaning your fridge.  If you get the ice off the plate with something that could puncture the gas lines within the plate, this is not being very careful.  One of my fridges was not working, and actually found a honest refrigeration guy in Tahiti.  He said, yeah I could change some parts, but I don't think that's the problem.  The quick connect links (that only cost a few dollars) usually go bad, so let's change them and fill up back up and run it.  It worked!  Paid for an hour of time, little bit of gas, and two quick connect gaskets...  Still working 2.5 years later....  All for less than $100 dollar bill.  

Now, if you were in Le Marin. there's a 6' 2" French guy that will tell you you need a new refrigerator and installation which cost only $3500.

Cheers,

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Still in Thailand 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Billy Newport
 

I thought about that but then why use a 25A charger, the whole thing would be pointless. The charger puts out 25A, the wiring supports 15A, use a 15A fuse and pop...

The unknown on my side is how long is that wire. I'll try trace it better today.


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

Ken Powers SV Aquarius
 

Since there is no connection to 240VAC in the windless circuit, I fail to see how toggling the windless switch could result in a 240VAC short?  It is much more likely to be a 24VDC issue, which is not too dangerous.  Measure the voltage with a volt meter, not a crew member!  Unless you have an undesirable crew member,  this could be your lucky day.

If there is a potential(or Voltage) a volt meter should see it.  Stick the negative on you and put the positive on the what ever was shocking you.  You should see movement in the voltage without having to touch the rail and shock yourself.  

I believe Craig is correct.  Remove the back cap off the windless and make sure everything is clean and tidy!  Might want to use some Corrosion X on the motor when you open it up.  I do this to keep corrosion down on the motor housing, just paint the entire motor with CorrosionX.

Best,
Ken 
Aquarius SM262


Re: Electric shock from the windlass

PAOLO CUNEO
 

hi Craig, Bill, Nick,
I understand from your words that you all seriously care about my safety in case we are talking about 220V AC, and I sincerely appreciate your attention. But no, it never happened to me with the shore power, but only operating the windlass on 24V in some bay for the night. Occasionally I have also had the generator switched on during the anchoring maneuvers, but in the great majority of cases the generator was switched off, so I would feel like excluding 220V. I add that the sensation was more like a burn than the classic shock that can happen to you at home.
I hadn't thought about disconnecting the small inverter that permanently powers the chart table area but I certainly will.
I add a question: I seem to have read somewhere in this forum that, at least on SMs, the rigging and the guardrail (and perhaps also the windlass) are not included in the Amel general bonding system, and I wonder how this can direct my research (or rather , give the correct information to the electrician who I will certainly call).
Bests to you all and thanks for your help

Paolo - SM 454 Whisper, Genoa

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Re: SM2 Roller Reefer Guide Rods

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all. A jammed swivel can cause the pretzles. Another method of forming them is to put yourcspar

On 30 August 2020 at 13:35 "Craig Briggs via groups.io" <sangaris@...> wrote:


Hi Dave,
PS to my earlier post.
Actually, as I think about it, I can't quite figure out how a "jammed swivel" would cause the "pretzels" of your anti-rotation rods.  A jammed swivel would perhaps cause the lower rivets to break, but it would not, kind of by definition, allow the upper swivel to rotate and bend over your anti-rotation bars that are now pretzels. Clearly either you or a prior owner has forgotten to lower and remove the balooner mouse and halyard before furling the genoa. Hence, the raised balooner halyard locks the ends of anti-rotation rods while the swivel turns freely with the full force of the motor and bends the rods into pretzels. 
Alternate interpretations welcomed, but this is how I see it.
--
Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL


Re: DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Clive Chapman
 

I know nothing about Amel specific electrics, but a fuse can also protect the wiring. Is it possible the cabling is only rated at 15A? The danger with uprating the fuse is you could create a fire risk because the wiring now effectively becomes the fuse (sorry if this is teaching you what you already know). 



DC DC starter battery charger on Amel 55 fuse sizes

Billy Newport
 

My generator wouldn't start last weekend so on poking around, the starter was weak. I could start the engine and then I could start the generator. On checking why the starter was weak, the DC-DC charger output side (#3 under the nav seat) was blown. It's a 15A fuse. So, no charger, dead battery, gen won't start. Ok.

Looking at the Victron manuals for an Orion 24/12/25 DC DC charger. It has a normal bulk output current of 25A with a peak output of 35A. Why have Amel installed a 15A fuse, it's even labeled 15A.

So, I left the boat this week and when I came back today, the 15A fuse I replaced is blown again. I discussed with BillR and for now, I've replaced both fuses with a 20A and a 40A (don't have a 35A). Now, given what I can figure out, I don't know how this ever worked but clearly the boat is 4 years old and has 20k nm on it. I've sent an email to Denis, the old owner asking what gives.

Do the alternators on the gen OR engine charge the starter battery? Is it just the DC-DC charging it?

The cables are 10 gauge wire. I can't see how long they are. 24V @ 20A is no problem for 10 awg. 12V at 25A is good at 10 feet long with 1% V drop.

Thanks
Billy
Amel 55#56


Re: Raw Water Manifold Failure - A54

Alan Leslie
 

We had a complete manifold made out of stainless steel by EMEK Marine in Turkey for our SM.
Beautifully made, I think this is the answer.
Not sure if SM and 54 manifolds are the same, if not it surely wouldn't be difficult to modify the design.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 stuck in Opua NZ