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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Porter McRoberts
 

Alexandre,
And Bill my apologies. 
I lost the drum off the starboard mast Lewmar46 chrome on brass 2 speed winch on passage and am looking for a replacement. 

If anyone has either a replacement drum or entire winch I’d be interested. 

Many thanks,

Porter McRoberts
Ibis
Amel 54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool 


Re: Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

Thanks for the interest, but I'd rather stick with the 58.  

Regards,
Bill Shaposki
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

Hi Alexandre,
Thanks for the reply.  Where is the unit located and how old is it?  How much do you want for it?  THe real problem though is getting the old one off.   But if I had a spare in the wings it might allow more options for removal.

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

Thanks for the info.  Very interesting.  I suspect that you are spot on.  I'll do as you say.  Enjoy Guadeloupe.  If you're in Point-a-Pitre in the next week, look us up.  

Regards,
Bill Shaprosk
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Mike Ondra
 

Bill, 
We had a similar experience with momentary black cloud from the exhaust and particles in the water with our Onan Generator. Turned out that our exhaust mixing elbow was heavily carboned up so we thought it probable that it blew a chunk of carbon out. You might take a look inside the Volvo mixing elbow and turbo.
Mike
Aletes SM2000
Cruising Guadeloupe

On Mar 10, 2018, at 2:29 PM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Pacific Cool is currently in Guadeloupe and as I was picking up a mooring in Les Saints, a big cloud of black smoke gushed out of my exhaust.  I also noticed black particles floating on the water.  It lasted about 10-20 seconds and then everything seemed to return to normal.  I.E., water temp seemed normal and the oil pressure was a bit low but increased to 1.5 Bar when I increased the RPM.  I let it run for a few minutes and got into the engine room to loom and listen.  All seemed normal.  I need to get off the mooring tomorrow.


Does anyone know what might have happened?  I have a Volvo Penta 22 TMD which till this has run perfectly.  After being on the hard in Trinidad for 6 months ending on 05 Jan 2018 it started immediately.  I plan t have a mechanic check it when I get to Pointe-a-Pitre.  


Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

karkauai
 

Sorry Paul, I don't have those specs available right now.  If I find a nice light-air day, I'll measure the 135's foot.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Paul asked:
Kent
Do you know the foot length of your Genoas?
Original Amel foot is 8,25 m giving an area of 67 sqm. With a J of 5,0 meters I get it to 165%, but I might be wrong in how to calculate the %.
with my way to calculate the foot of your Genoas would be 5,5 m and 6,75 m looks  small, am I correct?
Would guess a 50 sqm Genoa would be a good alternative for the Caribbean.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Porter McRoberts
 

How about a lewmar 46?

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Genoa

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Ian,  your sail is Dacron, we ordered the same as you, have been very satisfied up to now.
herbert, KALI MERA, SN120, on the hard in Shelter Bay Panama

Re: Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

I forgot to mention that Pacific Cool is SM 141 built in 1995 and has 5,500 hours on the engine.  

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

For the past year and a half, Pacific Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30 amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a bad bearing or is really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear inserts up into the winch which prevents complete disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and they had no clue what to do.  


At this point it seems the best thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am currently in Guadeloupe.  


Best Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

Pacific Cool is currently in Guadeloupe and as I was picking up a mooring in Les Saints, a big cloud of black smoke gushed out of my exhaust.  I also noticed black particles floating on the water.  It lasted about 10-20 seconds and then everything seemed to return to normal.  I.E., water temp seemed normal and the oil pressure was a bit low but increased to 1.5 Bar when I increased the RPM.  I let it run for a few minutes and got into the engine room to loom and listen.  All seemed normal.  I need to get off the mooring tomorrow.


Does anyone know what might have happened?  I have a Volvo Penta 22 TMD which till this has run perfectly.  After being on the hard in Trinidad for 6 months ending on 05 Jan 2018 it started immediately.  I plan t have a mechanic check it when I get to Pointe-a-Pitre.  


Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries [1 Attachment]

Philippe Morel
 

Hi ! SM owners , Belavita have been equipped with Effekta 120 Ah model in sept. 2010 and cruise along 7 years without any issues . Dead last year in Colombia , and difficult to find the same trademark , I choose equivalent model in 100 Ah in Csb trademark , it is an Hitachi subsidiaries and same technical characteristics . 
Reference is GPL 121000 , can be found in USA , and good price , around 180 USD . 
Fair winds 
Philippe on Belavita SM 2K n 238

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] halyard extensions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

During off-season, or other periods of non-use, the main and mizzen on the SM are routinely left furled inside the mast with halyards eased, while the genoa is dropped and stored inside the boat.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 10, 2018 11:10, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I've been looking at replacing some of my running rigging, and the thread on this list from this morning titled "Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas" got me thinking... why does the jib not have a halyard extension?  On my boat, both the main and mizzen are set up with an extension, and looking at the rigging specs available in the uploaded files for this list, that appears normal.  Do we know why Amel decided not to do the same for the jib?  Has anyone modified this to use an extension?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

halyard extensions

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
I've been looking at replacing some of my running rigging, and the thread on this list from this morning titled "Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas" got me thinking... why does the jib not have a halyard extension?  On my boat, both the main and mizzen are set up with an extension, and looking at the rigging specs available in the uploaded files for this list, that appears normal.  Do we know why Amel decided not to do the same for the jib?  Has anyone modified this to use an extension?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

Re: Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Stephanie DiBelardino <stephiedib@...>
 

Mark,

Having lived on Grand Bahama for 14 years, I should highly recommend that you return to Fort Lauderdale for any work — or bring a sailmaker from FortLauderdale to wherever you are. Here, you have no recourse if that job is not done right. I doubt that Nassau or the Abacos could offer any worthwhile sailmaker service.

Fair winds!
Stephanie DiBelardino

Re: Toe rail / Genoa Track Repair

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Woody,

The swelling and cracking in your picture sure looks like a classic case moisture having gotten to the steel backing into which the bolts are fastened. The backing, which Amel buried in the fiberglass layup during construction, then rusts and when it gets really bad the rusting metal starts to expand and bursts the fiberglass structure, along with the gelcoat. 

 

No amount of cosmetic repair will fix this - one needs to cut the fiberglass open, remove and replace the steel and reconstruct the toe rail. You will develop excellent fiberglassing skills by the time you are done and drilling out the nylon screws will be a minor step. 

 

I would recommend not embedding the new backing in the rebuilt fiberglass, but putting it on the underside, exposed to air, and using stainless steel (lest you have a repeat performance at some future date).  

 

This is a common problem that has been discussed often on this forum, with trouble areas being the engine room and other hatch cover supports and hinges, stanchion bases and so on.

 

Optionally, just live with it for a few seasons. It will slowly get worse but won't present a structural problem nor make the eventual repair work much more difficult. Use some hydrochloric acid to wipe off the rust stains now and then, put in some cosmetic fill that will last a while and when the toe rail actually cracks open, you can tackle the repair. 

 

Cheers,

Craig Briggs, SN(G&T) 68, Sangaris



---In amelyachtowners@..., <alanwood123@...> wrote :

Hi all..


The family and I (3 kids) are now six months into owning and living aboard our 1997 SM#189 in Lefkas, Greece and getting our teeth into lots of maintenance! First of all I'd like to thank all those who have contributed to the forums both here and on Facebook.. it's been very informative and immeasurably helpful and I fully intend to contribute my own insights/photos/videos.. when I get a moment!


So first off.. after copious amounts of rain over the last few months I noticed this swelling and cracking of the gelcoat and what looks like rust marks on the toe rail under the genoa track. The underside of this is at the back of the galley cupboard (left of the microwave).  


A couple of opinions/insights please, before I go at it like a bull in a china shop:

  • What's the best way to remove the lining from the back of the cupboard to inspect the underside of the toe rail - just peel it all out or cut the area I need to inspect ..?
  • What is the best way to remove the nylon screws from the track without stripping them - tried screwdriver and they're stuck fast ..?

Thanks in advance..


Woody

https://www.youtube.com/c/mothershipadrift

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Mark,

As Pat says, you'll need an extension on the halyard. I've seen some Amels that have full length halyards on the main and mizzen and some that do not, as is the case with mine. I think the original rigging all had short halyards and the boats were supplied with an extension line for the rare occasions when you would actually lower the main or mizzen, rather than dealing with a big wad of halyard always flopping around. 

You likely have a rope clutch/lock on the mizzen just below the halyard exit slot. That let's you remove the extension line after tensioning the halyard. The long halyards were likely added by "professional" riggers who didn't know Amel's way.

Using the extension line is a bit fussy as the joint has to travel through the mast exit slot (and rope clutch on the mizzen). I usually do a butt-to-butt joint with waxed whipping line starting with sewing the lines together longitudinally (4 or 5 passes), then a few passes around. Takes about 5 minutes but it is very strong and runs freely - better than fussing with knots that easily jamb inside the mast. 

Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Mark, Are you saying that neither sail can be hoisted to the point where the luffs are tight ? Regardless of not reaching the "top of the mast" , if the luff is tight , its as far as it goes. Its hard to understand the mizzen halyard being too short , how was it hoisted . It could be that the previous owner used a short halyard and then installed an extension when lowering it , same procedure as used on the main halyard. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2018 9:01 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

 
Hello all,

It appears as though our main and mizzen sails were either cut or rigged incorrectly (won't raise to the top of the mast).  I made an attempt to fix this myself, finding out along the way (yes, the hard way) that the mizzen halyard is about 15 feet too short to allow the sail to be dropped.  Now I think (and my wife knows) it's time to get some expert advice.  Do any members of the group know or have used a sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Thanks,

Mark
Lulu, SM #391
Great Harbor, Berry Islands

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, Are you saying that neither sail can be hoisted to the point where the luffs are tight ? Regardless of not reaching the "top of the mast" , if the luff is tight , its as far as it goes. Its hard to understand the mizzen halyard being too short , how was it hoisted . It could be that the previous owner used a short halyard and then installed an extension when lowering it , same procedure as used on the main halyard. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: isaac_02906@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2018 9:01 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

 
Hello all,

It appears as though our main and mizzen sails were either cut or rigged incorrectly (won't raise to the top of the mast).  I made an attempt to fix this myself, finding out along the way (yes, the hard way) that the mizzen halyard is about 15 feet too short to allow the sail to be dropped.  Now I think (and my wife knows) it's time to get some expert advice.  Do any members of the group know or have used a sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Thanks,

Mark
Lulu, SM #391
Great Harbor, Berry Islands

Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas?

Mark Isaac
 

Hello all,


It appears as though our main and mizzen sails were either cut or rigged incorrectly (won't raise to the top of the mast).  I made an attempt to fix this myself, finding out along the way (yes, the hard way) that the mizzen halyard is about 15 feet too short to allow the sail to be dropped.  Now I think (and my wife knows) it's time to get some expert advice.  Do any members of the group know or have used a sailmaker in The Bahamas?


Thanks,


Mark

Lulu, SM #391

Great Harbor, Berry Islands