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Re: Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

steve_bode@...
 

Hi, Bill.

I have an '94 purchased recently and servicing all the winches was one of my first tasks. The Lewmar electric 58 mains were particularly troublesome and although it may or may not help you, wanted to share my experience in hopes it may give you a little more insight. I discovered that these winches on my boat can not be fully serviced without removing them from the deck. In order to remove them, I had to remove the drive motor from below decks. This was a fairly straightforward process of removing the four bolts that hold the drive motor to the flange that is in turn bolted to the collar that is part of the center stem of the winch. For your information, when I removed the four bolts that connect the motor to the flange, I was able to jiggle the motor and it slid right off the shaft that drives the gears in the stem of the winch. That shaft has a slot and a key arrangement. I uploaded a bunch of pictures of process to this site via the post "servicing lewmar 58 winches". If your motor does not drop off the drive shaft, then it is seized to that shaft. Did your pros try to pry it off the motor assembly from that flange?

Photo album of Winch service:

-Bode
SV Intention
Amel SM117 '94

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Barry Connor
 

Hi Alexandre,
Just to let you know I got the Spurs kit/gear and now back on our boat. It is perfect just what I wanted and like new as you described. Thank’s again, could you send me the link to your list of gear that you still have for sale.
Best Regards,

Barry and Penny Connor
“Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54.  # 17
Marina di Ragusa,  Sicily


On Mar 11, 2018, at 03:14, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre,

And Bill my apologies. 
I lost the drum off the starboard mast Lewmar46 chrome on brass 2 speed winch on passage and am looking for a replacement. 

If anyone has either a replacement drum or entire winch I’d be interested. 

Many thanks,

Porter McRoberts
Ibis
Amel 54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@yahoo..com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Craig for clarification 
Paul

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2018-03-11 8:57 GMT+03:00 c.macdonald@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi all,
Looking for a place to birth my boat (Maramu) in or near Istanbul. any suggestion?
Charles
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Marina in or near istanbul

c.macdonald@...
 

Hi all,
Looking for a place to birth my boat (Maramu) in or near Istanbul. any suggestion?
Charles
Inuit


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Paul,

Yes, you indeed are incorrectly calculating your jib percent size. It is not the foot length / J. In your case the foot length of 8.25m divided by your J of 5m does indeed happen to work out to 165%, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the % size of the jib. You do not have a 165% jib.

The actual calculation for jib percent is LP/J, where LP is the perpendicular distance from the luff to the clew. J is the distance from the headstay-to-deck intersection point back to the front of the mast. The foot length is simply not a measurement used in calculating the genoa %. One can have a 150% genoa (or 135% or whatever) with widely varying foot lengths, depending on how high off the deck the foot is. 

On our Amels, if one takes the position of the end of the rigged downwind pole as a fixed point and then measures the perpendicular to the genoa luff, which is LP, and then divides by J, one gets 150%. 

Cheers, Craig, SN(G&T)#68, Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

Sorry Paul, I don't have those specs available right now.  If I find a nice light-air day, I'll measure the 135's foot.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Paul asked:
Kent
Do you know the foot length of your Genoas?
Original Amel foot is 8,25 m giving an area of 67 sqm. With a J of 5,0 meters I get it to 165%, but I might be wrong in how to calculate the %.
with my way to calculate the foot of your Genoas would be 5,5 m and 6,75 m looks  small, am I correct?
Would guess a 50 sqm Genoa would be a good alternative for the Caribbean.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Porter McRoberts
 

Alexandre,
And Bill my apologies. 
I lost the drum off the starboard mast Lewmar46 chrome on brass 2 speed winch on passage and am looking for a replacement. 

If anyone has either a replacement drum or entire winch I’d be interested. 

Many thanks,

Porter McRoberts
Ibis
Amel 54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool 


Re: Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

Thanks for the interest, but I'd rather stick with the 58.  

Regards,
Bill Shaposki
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

Hi Alexandre,
Thanks for the reply.  Where is the unit located and how old is it?  How much do you want for it?  THe real problem though is getting the old one off.   But if I had a spare in the wings it might allow more options for removal.

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

Thanks for the info.  Very interesting.  I suspect that you are spot on.  I'll do as you say.  Enjoy Guadeloupe.  If you're in Point-a-Pitre in the next week, look us up.  

Regards,
Bill Shaprosk
S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

Mike Ondra
 

Bill, 
We had a similar experience with momentary black cloud from the exhaust and particles in the water with our Onan Generator. Turned out that our exhaust mixing elbow was heavily carboned up so we thought it probable that it blew a chunk of carbon out. You might take a look inside the Volvo mixing elbow and turbo.
Mike
Aletes SM2000
Cruising Guadeloupe

On Mar 10, 2018, at 2:29 PM, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Pacific Cool is currently in Guadeloupe and as I was picking up a mooring in Les Saints, a big cloud of black smoke gushed out of my exhaust.  I also noticed black particles floating on the water.  It lasted about 10-20 seconds and then everything seemed to return to normal.  I.E., water temp seemed normal and the oil pressure was a bit low but increased to 1.5 Bar when I increased the RPM.  I let it run for a few minutes and got into the engine room to loom and listen.  All seemed normal.  I need to get off the mooring tomorrow.


Does anyone know what might have happened?  I have a Volvo Penta 22 TMD which till this has run perfectly.  After being on the hard in Trinidad for 6 months ending on 05 Jan 2018 it started immediately.  I plan t have a mechanic check it when I get to Pointe-a-Pitre.  


Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] new Genoa

karkauai
 

Sorry Paul, I don't have those specs available right now.  If I find a nice light-air day, I'll measure the 135's foot.
Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Paul asked:
Kent
Do you know the foot length of your Genoas?
Original Amel foot is 8,25 m giving an area of 67 sqm. With a J of 5,0 meters I get it to 165%, but I might be wrong in how to calculate the %.
with my way to calculate the foot of your Genoas would be 5,5 m and 6,75 m looks  small, am I correct?
Would guess a 50 sqm Genoa would be a good alternative for the Caribbean.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Porter McRoberts
 

How about a lewmar 46?

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

For information, if you can not have the issue solved, I have an complete Leewmar 58 electric winch for sale.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 3/10/18, pacificcool@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, March 10, 2018, 1:45 PM


 









For the past year and a half, Pacific
Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch
that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30
amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and
Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic
puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the
motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good
condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a
bad bearing or is
really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts
holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear
inserts up into the winch which prevents complete
disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch
stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor
turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works
manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and
they had no clue what to do.  
At this point it seems the best
thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a
good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am
currently in Guadeloupe.  
Best
Regards,Bill
ShaproskiS/V Pacific
Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: new Genoa

Herbert Lackner
 

Hi Ian,  your sail is Dacron, we ordered the same as you, have been very satisfied up to now.
herbert, KALI MERA, SN120, on the hard in Shelter Bay Panama

Re: Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

I forgot to mention that Pacific Cool is SM 141 built in 1995 and has 5,500 hours on the engine.  

Regards,
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

Inability To Remove Port Side Genoa Gearbox

pacificcool@...
 

For the past year and a half, Pacific Cool (SM 141 built in 1995) has had a port side genoa winch that works electrically, but is drawing 160 amps versus 30 amp for the starboard winch. Technicians in Cape Town and Trinidad tried to remove the gear box with a hydraulic puller but it would not budge.  Recently, I removed the motor which drives the gearbox and it seems to be in good condition, so I assume its the gearbox which has a bad bearing or is really gunked up.  There appear to be four nuts holding the gearbox to the underside of the winch and a gear inserts up into the winch which prevents complete disassembly of the winch itself.  Two days ago the winch stopped working electrically, but I can hear the motor turning with no movement of the winch.  It still works manually.  I checked with AMEL in Martinique last year and they had no clue what to do.  


At this point it seems the best thing to do is sell the boat.  But hopefully someone has a good idea on what to do.  Any ideas welcome.  I am currently in Guadeloupe.  


Best Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

 

Black Smoke From Volvo Penta Engine Exhaust

pacificcool@...
 

Pacific Cool is currently in Guadeloupe and as I was picking up a mooring in Les Saints, a big cloud of black smoke gushed out of my exhaust.  I also noticed black particles floating on the water.  It lasted about 10-20 seconds and then everything seemed to return to normal.  I.E., water temp seemed normal and the oil pressure was a bit low but increased to 1.5 Bar when I increased the RPM.  I let it run for a few minutes and got into the engine room to loom and listen.  All seemed normal.  I need to get off the mooring tomorrow.


Does anyone know what might have happened?  I have a Volvo Penta 22 TMD which till this has run perfectly.  After being on the hard in Trinidad for 6 months ending on 05 Jan 2018 it started immediately.  I plan t have a mechanic check it when I get to Pointe-a-Pitre.  


Regards,

Bill Shaproski

S/V Pacific Cool

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries [1 Attachment]

Philippe Morel
 

Hi ! SM owners , Belavita have been equipped with Effekta 120 Ah model in sept. 2010 and cruise along 7 years without any issues . Dead last year in Colombia , and difficult to find the same trademark , I choose equivalent model in 100 Ah in Csb trademark , it is an Hitachi subsidiaries and same technical characteristics . 
Reference is GPL 121000 , can be found in USA , and good price , around 180 USD . 
Fair winds 
Philippe on Belavita SM 2K n 238

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] halyard extensions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

During off-season, or other periods of non-use, the main and mizzen on the SM are routinely left furled inside the mast with halyards eased, while the genoa is dropped and stored inside the boat.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Mar 10, 2018 11:10, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I've been looking at replacing some of my running rigging, and the thread on this list from this morning titled "Recommended Sailmaker in The Bahamas" got me thinking... why does the jib not have a halyard extension?  On my boat, both the main and mizzen are set up with an extension, and looking at the rigging specs available in the uploaded files for this list, that appears normal.  Do we know why Amel decided not to do the same for the jib?  Has anyone modified this to use an extension?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA