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Brand of Steeringwheel and axis?

Arthur Sundqvist
 

I am going to install a parallell autopilot, the rotary drive from RM.

I need to know the brand of steering wheel/Axis , on SM to find the right tooth sprocket for that axis.

RM has the tooth sprocket for the rotary drive I think.

Does anyone know?


Kind regards and FAIR Winds

Arthur Sundqvist

SM 435 Vista


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Thank you Bill 
Heinz

Am 21.11.2018 11:06 schrieb "Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Gear oil 80/90...same as bow thruster. Amel changed the oil specification for all Amel bow thrusters about 2 or 3 years ago..


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 09:21 Heinz Stutenbaeumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Do you new what Kind off Oil I can take? 
I can not get the 15W 90 from the Handbook. 
Thanks Heinz


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa sheet sizing

smiles bernard
 

Thanks for this John!
I guess we will get smoother at tacking with a bit more practise 
Given my sheets are looking, well, ropey, I’ll try and get a single length ant try  the cow hitch for a while. If I do t like it I can always go back to 2 sheets and bowlines 
All the very best
Miles


On 21 Nov 2018, at 12:46, john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Miles,

   I purchased Annie with 16mm genoa sheets fastened to the sail with a cowhitch/larkshead.   I replaced the sheet shortly after purchase and found the knot was rock solid...no chance it would slip at all.  After an hour with a marlinspike I gave up and cut the knot.  I used a cowhitch/larkshead on the new line and it held fine, no slipage.  I untied the know after a year because I didn't like the way the line looked like it was bending as it left the knot under load.  I cut the line and used two bowlines, which I still have now.  

The bowlines do seem to catch on the forward lower shrouds and if the sail is allowed to flog during a tack the weight of the two knots seems to make things worse.    

Take home message:  cowhitch is smother, does not seem to slip once set, but I am concerned about concentrating force on a small point of the line.  Bowlines seem to spread the stress across a larger area of the rope, won't slip and have the benefit of being two separate sheets in the event of a failure near the knot/sail.  


                    Regards,  John

SV Annie  SM37
Le Marin Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

 

Gear oil 80/90...same as bow thruster. Amel changed the oil specification for all Amel bow thrusters about 2 or 3 years ago.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 09:21 Heinz Stutenbaeumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... wrote:
 

Do you new what Kind off Oil I can take? 
I can not get the 15W 90 from the Handbook. 
Thanks Heinz


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

eric freedman
 

Hi Willem,

Why do you want to release the brake?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2018 7:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

 

 

Hi Eric,

 

My boat, #351, has an Autoprop and a shaft brake. With the boat on the hard and servicing the prop, how to get the brake off for a while?

 

Willem Kroes

 

SY KAVANGA 


Gearbox

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Do you new what Kind off Oil I can take? 
I can not get the 15W 90 from the Handbook. 
Thanks Heinz


Re: Gearbox

John Clark
 

Heinz,
   Definitely follow Bill's advice on this maintenance item.  Cleaning and lots of grease!   Where I in your shoes I would be concerned about what is happening inside the C-drive.  If it does not turn freely and smoothly (with transmission in neutral) there may be damage inside.  

I just performed this maintenance (with help from Olaf Bauer, SM Sayanora II)  and on disassemble the inside of the gearbox was perfectly clean and there was no sign of corrosion.  If this is not the case for you then I would consider having the c-drive inspected before launching.  

                  Regards,  John
SV Annie SM 37
Le Marin MQ


---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote :

hello,
After 5 months in the drydock in Panama I noticed that an Oel-water mixture was leaking out of the gearbox. I had the seals and the oil changed by Amel in Martinique a year ago. Now I can't turn the propeller by hand.
Is that normal or does anyone know what to do?
I am grateful for every suggestion.
All the best
Heinz
Amel SM200, 292


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

 

Heinz,

There are 7 very important things that, if not done precisely correct, will result in water
seeping into the C Drive.
Some of the things that commonly cause water seepage are:
1.) Seals and/or wear bushings NOT purchased from Amel.
2.) The wall of the seal cavity NOT completely cleaned with emery cloth.
3.) The seals NOT oriented according to Amel specs.
4.) The seals NOT inserted the correct depth.
5.) The seals NOT completely greased with waterproof grease
6.) The wear bushing O ring NOT greased and/or not the correct size
7.) The propeller shaft NOT completely cleaned where the wear bushing O ring meets the shaft.

Are you 100% positive that all of the above was performed correctly?

Are you aware that Amel now specifies 80/90 gear oil for the C Drive?

If you need more information, please let me know at bill"at"amelschool.com.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970



On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:39 AM 'Stutenbaeumer.Berlin' heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello and thanks to everyone. 
The Oil-water mixture came from the propeller's drive shaft. After 5 months there was only a small amount left. More water than oil.  
I removed the seals and started the engine. At the first time in the forward gear the engine stopped. 
The second time in reverse the propeller turned. 
I can turne the Propeller by hand now.
I have now changed the gaskets and will get new oil today. 
I can't explain why the seals don't work after a year. 
Many thanks Heinz

SM2000, 292


Am 21.11.2018 um 07:01 schrieb kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Eric,

My boat, #351, has an Autoprop and a shaft brake. With the boat on the hard and servicing the prop, how to get the brake off for a while?

Willem Kroes

SY KAVANGA 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Hello and thanks to everyone. 
The Oil-water mixture came from the propeller's drive shaft. After 5 months there was only a small amount left. More water than oil.  
I removed the seals and started the engine. At the first time in the forward gear the engine stopped. 
The second time in reverse the propeller turned. 
I can turne the Propeller by hand now.
I have now changed the gaskets and will get new oil today. 
I can't explain why the seals don't work after a year. 
Many thanks Heinz

SM2000, 292


Am 21.11.2018 um 07:01 schrieb kavanga@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Eric,

My boat, #351, has an Autoprop and a shaft brake. With the boat on the hard and servicing the prop, how to get the brake off for a while?

Willem Kroes

SY KAVANGA 


Re: Genoa sheet sizing

John Clark
 

Miles,
   I purchased Annie with 16mm genoa sheets fastened to the sail with a cowhitch/larkshead.   I replaced the sheet shortly after purchase and found the knot was rock solid...no chance it would slip at all.  After an hour with a marlinspike I gave up and cut the knot.  I used a cowhitch/larkshead on the new line and it held fine, no slipage.  I untied the know after a year because I didn't like the way the line looked like it was bending as it left the knot under load.  I cut the line and used two bowlines, which I still have now.  

The bowlines do seem to catch on the forward lower shrouds and if the sail is allowed to flog during a tack the weight of the two knots seems to make things worse.    

Take home message:  cowhitch is smother, does not seem to slip once set, but I am concerned about concentrating force on a small point of the line.  Bowlines seem to spread the stress across a larger area of the rope, won't slip and have the benefit of being two separate sheets in the event of a failure near the knot/sail.  


                    Regards,  John

SV Annie  SM37
Le Marin Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Eric,

My boat, #351, has an Autoprop and a shaft brake. With the boat on the hard and servicing the prop, how to get the brake off for a while?

Willem Kroes

SY KAVANGA 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa sheet sizing

Alan Leslie
 

Cow hitches have a tendency to slip if the pull isn't even. eg if you spend a long time on one tack in reasonable breeze, you'll probably end up with one sheet longer than the other.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Heinz,
As Eric notes, some more information would help. 
By "gearbox" can we assume you mean the "C" drive (not the transmission gearbox)? 
Where is the oil-water mixture leaking from? - around the propeller shaft?  -from the outside of the wearing out bushing? - from the drain plug? from the front of the "C" drive lower unit? from the upper seals where the drive shaft enters in the engine room? 
Is the oil milky? 
With no shaft brake, that's obviously not the problem, but is the transmission in neutral?
Does the propeller turn when you start the engine and put it in gear?
Cheers, Craig SN68



---In amelyachtowners@..., <heinz@...> wrote :

 Hello and thanks for the answer. I have a folding propeller but no brake
Heinz

Am 20.11.2018 09:35 schrieb "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Heinz,

Do you have an autoprop with a disk brake on the shaft?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:35 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

 

 

hello,
After 5 months in the drydock in Panama I noticed that an Oel-water mixture was leaking out of the gearbox. I had the seals and the oil changed by Amel in Martinique a year ago. Now I can't turn the propeller by hand.
Is that normal or does anyone know what to do?
I am grateful for every suggestion.
All the best
Heinz
Amel SM200, 292



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Genoa sheet sizing

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Craig and thanks Bill 

Very helpful 

I definitely want to go for a single long line with a cow hitch /larks head attachment to the clew

Turns out I’m in a place that only has 14mm line so unless I wait that’s that decision taken care of!

Many thanks 
Miles


On 20 Nov 2018, at 15:29, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Here's an appealing way with a soft shackle:

Or just form a loop in the middle of a single long line, put it through the clew cringle and pass the rest of the line through that, pulling snug. Hard to remove (mine's been on for seasons) but no hangups. No seizing needed. And 14mm should be fine.
Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi there

My Genoa sheets need replacing
Currently I have 16mm polyester
they don’t run too well through the cars, the bowlines tend to get hung up on the lower fwd shrouds when tacking etc.
So am considering other options - a single long line with a single alpine butterfly knot to reduce hangups on the shrouds

My older/vintage Maramu Genoa is I believe around 60m sq. and I’m also wondering if I can move down to 14mm good quality sheets to reduce friction in the cars

Thoughts and experience most appreciated.

All the very best
Miles


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

 Hello and thanks for the answer. I have a folding propeller but no brake
Heinz

Am 20.11.2018 09:35 schrieb "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Heinz,

Do you have an autoprop with a disk brake on the shaft?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 8:35 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gearbox

 

 

hello,
After 5 months in the drydock in Panama I noticed that an Oel-water mixture was leaking out of the gearbox. I had the seals and the oil changed by Amel in Martinique a year ago. Now I can't turn the propeller by hand.
Is that normal or does anyone know what to do?
I am grateful for every suggestion.
All the best
Heinz
Amel SM200, 292



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salon mod

Steve Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

I can tell you that my SM 380 TouRai, was built with a full length settee in place of the loveseat, end table configuration.  This boat was built with several factory built differences for a legacy buyer who was quite tall.

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
BVI

On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Jay Hosford jay.hosford@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hey Bill,

Just saw a sm that had the salon love seat, cabinets and pull out birth replaced with a traditional settee.   Am i correct that this was never an option and was a mod done by the owner?   I do think it would be more practical than the pull out but it may not be very “Amel” aproved.


On Nov 5, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wolfgang,

There are a lot of birds in Deltaville and will surely find your beautiful 54. Other than that, it is a safe place.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:22 PM webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello to the group,
The first days of january I will start the atlantic crossing from Lanzarote via Cape Verde. We hope to sail upnorth to Virginia from the Caribbean sea and leave the boat in Deltaville? From the middle of May  until beginning of August.Then starting upnorth to Newengland or Nova Scotia and return back to Virginia in October, waiting for the next season in the Caribbean sea.
Any recommendations or advices,  safe place to leave the boat ?

Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162





Re: Adding weight to the bow

Craig Briggs
 

Just do what the power boaters do and add lead forward, or in the starboard hanging locker (where you might also keep your tools.) And/or add another 1 or 2 hundred feet of chain. Don't know if you've got a fixed bimini over the cockpit but if so that could be an alternate solar panel location, eliminating the arch.
Good luck with it.
Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <ericmeury@...> wrote :

This has been going on sometime and seem to be a "common problem" but my santorin is ass heavy and we made the issue worse last year when we added 4 L16 batteries to the engine room and installed the hydrovane.  We want to add an Arch mainly for getting the solar panels off the deck behind the mast since we have a new crew member.

The fwd head thru hull is pretty much fully exposed our of the water about an inch.  We have the rocna 33kg mounted on the bow with 190 feet of chain.  and a the original CQR sitting in the the stb fwd locker.

Spare parts are mid ship under the birth and the passage way to the aft cabin carries the tools.  I do plan on moving those to the forward hanging locker.

What else an be done?

Looking for ideas before we add the arch


Re: Genoa sheet sizing

Craig Briggs
 


Here's an appealing way with a soft shackle:

Or just form a loop in the middle of a single long line, put it through the clew cringle and pass the rest of the line through that, pulling snug. Hard to remove (mine's been on for seasons) but no hangups. No seizing needed. And 14mm should be fine.
Cheers, Craig SN68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <smilesbernard@...> wrote :

Hi there

My Genoa sheets need replacing
Currently I have 16mm polyester
they don’t run too well through the cars, the bowlines tend to get hung up on the lower fwd shrouds when tacking etc.
So am considering other options - a single long line with a single alpine butterfly knot to reduce hangups on the shrouds

My older/vintage Maramu Genoa is I believe around 60m sq. and I’m also wondering if I can move down to 14mm good quality sheets to reduce friction in the cars

Thoughts and experience most appreciated.

All the very best
Miles


Re: Resealing fixed portlights

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Update: it was pretty easy to do, just a bit time consuming.

Use a utility knife around the edges of the arcylic/GRP portlight flange and slowly open it up. We put small wedges to hold a gap between the acrylic and GRP to ease further cutting. The thickness of the GRP means there is very little risk of breaking the lens, IMO.

Being that it's silicone, the sealant released quite easily with a little leverage once you got far enough around.

Once it was off, the real work began.  We spent a lot of time cleaning off the old silicone with a wood chisel to get the big pieces off. Then it was fingernails and rubbing with your fingers. A trick I learned was to rub a flour/water paste on the surfaces to highlight any small areas you may have missed. The flour sticks to the silicone and makes it very apparent what you have missed!

Final cleanse with microfiber and rubbing alcohol and then apply a LOT of silicone (most of a 300ml tube) and screw the lens back on, using opposite corners. I asked Olivier if we needed to let the silicone set a bit to avoid it all squeezing out when you tighten the 8 screws, but he said that Amel screws it down immediately to fill all the gaps and we should do the same. :)

I considered using Sika 291i but found that a lot of those adhesive/sealants are not compatible with acrylic. We could have used Sika 295 UV, but the preparation was far more involved and the seal would fail unless it's done perfectly. If silicone was good enough for the Amel Shipyard, it's good enough for me!

Ps - I didn't bother taping the lens or the outside of the portlight opening. Silicone doesn't really stick well to either, so getting off the excess was quite easy. 

PPS - When I was asking around for tips on doing it, the other boat owners who looked at the portlight said the same thing most people say when they see my Amel up close: "Wow, they made that really robust!" 

Hope this helps someone...

-Scott
Amel 54 #69 Tengah


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