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Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Thanks for checking your notes to see what you could find.  As I have time,  I will do some digging and if I can find out what Amel is now using that works.    While the loose liner is a bit of an eyesore, at least this is not a problem that keeps me from sailing my boat,  Amel seemed to do a good job on the things that matter the most.

Best,

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 8:12 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

Hello James. I did some digging around in old notes regarding Amel production during that time. The previous vinyl with the polyurethane foam was trade named Skai and still has a presence in the marine market according to a quick internet search. Perhaps they now make a marine vinyl with felt/cotton backing as the safety rules governing using polyurethane have changed over the years. If they have a suitable material, I’m sure the distributor could recommend an adhesive.
 
Sorry to say I could find no mention of the replacement material. I seem to recall someone at the shipyard in La Rochelle mentioning that it was Naugahyde, but that term gets used a lot generically and not always describing the exact brand of Naugahyde. I have used Naugahyde for other projects and it could be a good replacement if you can find a color-texture match. They were pretty strict when it comes to what adhesives to use and they only recommend their own branded adhesives.
 
During my digging, I found that quite possibly some boats from the 1995 production year may have used the new overhead as the exact break was loosely described as around 1996 production which means September 1995 forward. They still had some of the old headliner when the new arrived so….
 
Perhaps Olivier might know but beyond that, I’m out of luck.
 
Sorry not to be more helpful. Joel
       
       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.
                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE 
                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485
 
 
From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix
 
Joel,
 
   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.
 
James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220
 
On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:
 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 


On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
-- 
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky 
SM 110 
 


Re: Leaking water heater

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Ofer,

Do you know where the leakage was from, other than "the inside part of the water heater"?  Having had 5 tanks fail in the 5 years since you got the boat is pretty amazing. Have you asked the factory or your mechanic what the problem has been?  Was it the same for all 5 heaters?

If you have an interest in chasing this down yourself you can take off the decorative SS jacket of a failed unit, then remove the insulation jacket, fill the tank and turn it on and perhaps see exactly where the "inside part" is leaking. You'll want it to get hot since it may only leak when it's hot.  As Yogi Berra said, "You can observe a lot by looking around".

I did see a post on another db that Isotemp had to redesign the thermostat circuitry of the Basic model because the heating coil wasn't being shut off and that caused overheating that distorted the tank, but that doesn't sound like your issue.

Years ago I had leakage from the bottom of my tank from pin holes of corrosion from particles of heating elements that had broken off when I replaced them. I cleaned them out and patched with JB Weld years ago. Certainly not your problem with brand new units repeatedly failing (mine is now 15 years old).

Good luck with it,
Craig
Craig

Re: Headliner fix

Courtney Gorman
 

Just an FYI I have a 2008 54 and there is some saging in the headliner.  the back is still sticky so with my hand it is easy to push back up but this needs doing about every month.  
Courtney
trippin
54 #101


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From: James Alton via Groups.Io <lokiyawl2@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2020 7:40 am
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

Miles and All,

My primary concern with the headliner project is to be sure to use a material that does not break down and an adhesive that does not let go over time.  It seems that Amel has things figured out with the 1996 and later boats so why experiment going forward?  It’s going to be a huge project to do it right so I really only want to do it once.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 4:33 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Miles 
I’m going to pursue the hydrovane and appreciate the setup photos. 
Many thanks 

Martin


On Feb 28, 2020, at 1:31 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:


Hydrovane works excellently for us on SeaLove
I think the bigger of the WindPilot range  (the pacific 2?) also works on the same principles - ie you lock your rudder and the vane takes over 
probably excellent also 
If you decide to exchange for a hydrovane i'd happily send some photos of our install
Libertad of this forum was kind enough to share his similar instal photos - infact i think they are still on the hydrovane website - search maramu

All the best
Miles

FW: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

amelforme
 

Hello James. I did some digging around in old notes regarding Amel production during that time. The previous vinyl with the polyurethane foam was trade named Skai and still has a presence in the marine market according to a quick internet search. Perhaps they now make a marine vinyl with felt/cotton backing as the safety rules governing using polyurethane have changed over the years. If they have a suitable material, I’m sure the distributor could recommend an adhesive.

 

Sorry to say I could find no mention of the replacement material. I seem to recall someone at the shipyard in La Rochelle mentioning that it was Naugahyde, but that term gets used a lot generically and not always describing the exact brand of Naugahyde. I have used Naugahyde for other projects and it could be a good replacement if you can find a color-texture match. They were pretty strict when it comes to what adhesives to use and they only recommend their own branded adhesives.

 

During my digging, I found that quite possibly some boats from the 1995 production year may have used the new overhead as the exact break was loosely described as around 1996 production which means September 1995 forward. They still had some of the old headliner when the new arrived so….

 

Perhaps Olivier might know but beyond that, I’m out of luck.

 

Sorry not to be more helpful. Joel

      

       JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST~L.L.C.

                                           THE  EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                   Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Alton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Headliner fix

 

Joel,

 

   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.

 

James 

SV Sueno

Maramu #220

 

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER

CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

Office 954-462-5869 



On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

 

Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Miles and All,

My primary concern with the headliner project is to be sure to use a material that does not break down and an adhesive that does not let go over time.  It seems that Amel has things figured out with the 1996 and later boats so why experiment going forward?  It’s going to be a huge project to do it right so I really only want to do it once.  

James
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 28, 2020, at 4:33 AM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Bottom paint removal problem

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Mark,

  I  do wonder if there is much difference between soda and other dry materials. For what it's worth we had our hull cleaned with dry sand in the UK when the boat was 10 years old.  The old paint was taken off within a few hours and the hull looked as though it had just come out of the mould. So perfect was the gelcoat that it needed a light abrasion before a couple of layers of clear epoxy were put on. In our case that was sufficient as we then put on Coppercoat, itself an epoxy.

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Kilada, Greece


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...>
Sent: 25 February 2020 19:28
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal problem
 
I have owned my Super Maramu since she was launched in 2003.  Amel applied a hard bottom paint before launch in 2003 but since then I have only used ablative paint.  The layer is now thick and a bit uneven.  Having carefully examined the words of caution on the Amel owners group, particularly those of Joel Potter, I have looked in vain for a soda blaster to remove all the old bottom paint. I just cannot find one in Rhode Island.  The contractor recommended by my Rhode Island marina uses glass and is apparently very experienced with blasting boat bottoms. 

Last week I contacted the large Hinckley repair yard in Portsmouth, RI and it turns out that they do not have access to soda blasting either and use the same glass blasting contractor used by the full service marina where Sabbatical III is stored.  Hinckley recommends the glass blasting followed by 5 coats of epoxy (the 5 coats is their rule for European boats).  My yard has suggested 3 coats of epoxy as a water barrier.
I had been hoping for soda blasting plus a single coat of epoxy as a primer, on the assumption that the barrier coat under the gel coat would remain intact.  I did not expect that it would not be possible to find a soda blasting contractor in Rhode Island (or nearby Massachusetts) who works on boat hulls.
 
Any suggestions for me?  I feel stuck and am inclined to use glass blasting following by 3 or more coats of epoxy as a barrier coat.
 
Mark Pitt
“Sabbatical III”, SM#419, Wickford, Rhode Island, USA
 

Re: Headliner fix

smiles bernard
 

I'm also really interested to find a headliner match - if anyone knows a close one
thinking of doing my aft cabin roof at some point soon
All the best
Miles
Maramu #162

Re: Windvane advise

smiles bernard
 

Hydrovane works excellently for us on SeaLove
I think the bigger of the WindPilot range  (the pacific 2?) also works on the same principles - ie you lock your rudder and the vane takes over 
probably excellent also 
If you decide to exchange for a hydrovane i'd happily send some photos of our install
Libertad of this forum was kind enough to share his similar instal photos - infact i think they are still on the hydrovane website - search maramu

All the best
Miles

Re: Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Hi Mat,

The water heaters were installed by professionals that were sent by the factory.
It is something else...
The leakage was from the tank .



Ofer Magen

Re: Headliner fix

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Would you by chance know of a source for the exact headliner material and adhesive that Amel has been using since 1996?  Thanks for the background on this issue.

James 
SV Sueno
Maramu #220

On Feb 27, 2020, at 11:21 AM, amelforme <jfpottercys@...> wrote:

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

Re: A55: fresh water pump system : Beam IV

michael winand
 

Just a thought. 
If you have a leak on the suction side it will allow air to enter the water pipes and this won't compress enough to reach the shut off pressure. 

On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 at 10:39 pm, CW Bill Rouse
<brouse@...> wrote:
Stuart,

I gave you all of my ideas. Like I said before I don't think the accumulator tank pressure has anything to do with a continuous running pump. 


Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   

On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM Stuart Hemingway <stuart@...> wrote:
Hello Joerg & Bill,

Who ever thought you’d need a bicycle pump on a boat , but you do!

We bought this fancy cycle pump in Bonaire ( the old fashion type would be better ) pumped up the accumulator and we have water!!

THANK YOU 

The pump is still running continuously though any ideas on that one?

Very best regards & thanks ..

Stuart

Stuart Hemingway AA Dipl DMS RIBA


Symbiotic Relationships Ltd.,


 Grove Park Studios,

188-192 Sutton court Road,

Chiswick,

London,

W4 3HR

 

Telephone

From the UK  :    001 561 371 2321

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On 25 Feb 2020, at 01:53, Joerg Esdorn via Groups.Io <jhe1313=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

In my experience, there has to be nothing wrong to create this condition.   I’ve had this happen on my boat when I get back after many months away.  Or if the tank was run very low.   Pump up the tank and see whether it works.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain

Re: Leaking water heater

Matt Salatino
 

Many times, I’ve heard of people causing leaks  in water heaters from overtightening plumbing connections.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Feb 27, 2020, at 3:36 PM, ofer magen <ofermagen@...> wrote:

Hi to all,

Few month after buying my boat in 2015, i had a leakage from the inside part of the water heater.

I bought a new one from isotherm ,the same model -basic 40.
Since then , 3 more boilers were leaking and replaced  under warranty by the factory- very good service, but what can be the reason for the failure of 4 boilers in 5 years?

The pressure in the water system is 1-2.5 bar.
The heater has a security valve that opens in 7 bar.

Anyone experienced this?

Ideas welcome.

Thanks to the great group!

Ofer,
SY Alba
Amel 54 # 160
Cyprus

Re: Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Fantastic Miles

Great information and User Verified. Even though I have a new monitor, the hydrovane is the set up I desire. 

Many thanks 

Martin Hameline 
VoileOVent 
129


On Feb 27, 2020, at 12:06 PM, smiles bernard via Groups.Io <smilesbernard@...> wrote:


hi there Martin

I am a big fan of windvanes and put one on our maramu last year
on my old boat (30ft) we had a monitor
this time we chose a hydrovane as we used on on a family boat before and they are really good
The monitor will require lines lead to the wheel - which i'm sure will work but will need some thought 
 
i mainly went for the hydrovane as it does not drive the main rudder. you lock the main rudder off and the hydrovane takes over - so acts as a completely separate and spare rudder system which was a big draw for us on long haul journeys as a back up

we routed the hydrovane pole through our swim step and that worked well. We also bought the longer shaft version so the whole vane part was positioned just level with our solar arch.

The monitor rudder swings side to side as it steers - so i'm sure youve been thinking about how that might work  with your swim platform

We have stopped using the electric autopilot for all but motoring (which we avoid if at all possible)
it was such a relief to get rid of the noise of the electric autopilot and its inherent complexity

The SM have a wonderful redundant autopilot system so i can totally understand that for SMs a Windvane might be overkill but once you have sailed across an ocean with a windvane silently helming for weeks on end its hard to entertain anything else - wonderful inventions.

Good luck fitting yours - i'd be interested to hear how that goes

Miles


On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 04:45:20 PM GMT, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:


Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu.  Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor.  I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129


Leaking water heater

ofer magen
 

Hi to all,

Few month after buying my boat in 2015, i had a leakage from the inside part of the water heater.

I bought a new one from isotherm ,the same model -basic 40.
Since then , 3 more boilers were leaking and replaced  under warranty by the factory- very good service, but what can be the reason for the failure of 4 boilers in 5 years?

The pressure in the water system is 1-2.5 bar.
The heater has a security valve that opens in 7 bar.

Anyone experienced this?

Ideas welcome.

Thanks to the great group!

Ofer,
SY Alba
Amel 54 # 160
Cyprus

Re: Windvane advise

smiles bernard
 

hi there Martin

I am a big fan of windvanes and put one on our maramu last year
on my old boat (30ft) we had a monitor
this time we chose a hydrovane as we used on on a family boat before and they are really good
The monitor will require lines lead to the wheel - which i'm sure will work but will need some thought 
 
i mainly went for the hydrovane as it does not drive the main rudder. you lock the main rudder off and the hydrovane takes over - so acts as a completely separate and spare rudder system which was a big draw for us on long haul journeys as a back up

we routed the hydrovane pole through our swim step and that worked well. We also bought the longer shaft version so the whole vane part was positioned just level with our solar arch.

The monitor rudder swings side to side as it steers - so i'm sure youve been thinking about how that might work  with your swim platform

We have stopped using the electric autopilot for all but motoring (which we avoid if at all possible)
it was such a relief to get rid of the noise of the electric autopilot and its inherent complexity

The SM have a wonderful redundant autopilot system so i can totally understand that for SMs a Windvane might be overkill but once you have sailed across an ocean with a windvane silently helming for weeks on end its hard to entertain anything else - wonderful inventions.

Good luck fitting yours - i'd be interested to hear how that goes

Miles


On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 04:45:20 PM GMT, martin haméline <marafiki37@...> wrote:


Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu.  Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor.  I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] C Drive Photos

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Mitchell,
Were you able to go through the pictures in the "C-Drive - Technical " photo album? You'll see my unit with the fairing material cut away. That exposes the cover plate on the front of the prop shaft and another pic shows it with its 4 machine screws. You have to cut the fairing back about 1 1/2 inches to totally expose the cover plate as it is about an inch thick. Again, see the pictures. (By the way, there are a couple of pictures the entire unit being lifted out that may be of interest.)

The cover plate carries the forward shaft bearing, so once it is off the prop shaft is totally free to be lifted out by hand. You can then lift out the aft bearings. Again there are pics of all that.

Cutting back the fairing material is a destructive process because it adheres to the metal housing. I had to guess about how big the plate was, so I just cut out small pieces until I figured it out. With the pictures to go by you'll have an easier time of it.  You will, of course, have to build up new material when you reassemble. I recall I used West System epoxy with a tough filler. Not rocket science, just messy, and you can then shape it back to the original size with a sander.

If you wish, send me your email address and I'll send more pictures that I didn't post here.  I'm at sangaris at aol dot com.

Craig

Windvane advise

martin haméline
 

Hello

I just bought an Amel Maramu in Martinique and am selling my Rafiki 37 in San Diego.
I have a new Monitor Windvane and am thinking I should transfer it to the Maramu. Scanmar of Monitor says they have put monitors on Santorum boats

I love the quiet energy efficiency of the monitor. I do have a fold down swim platform and a dinghy davit on the Maramu which Scanmar says won’t be a problem.
Appreciate your opinions and advice.

Cheers

Martin Hameline
SV VoileOVent
129

Re: Headliner fix

amelforme
 

It has come to my attention that I made a mistake when I represented that all the Amel  boats built after 2006 have the desired spun cotton/felt backing on the vinyl overhead instead of the polyurethane foam . Actually it is from model year 1996 forward. I regret the error and thank Duane and Peg on Wanderer for the heads up.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Mark Barter <markbarter100@...> wrote:

Our 1993 Super Maramu has the same fix except that the battens are white. It looks like it was tedious process to fit but the result is perfectly acceptable. I am not near the boat at the moment so I can't post a photo.
--
Mark & Nicky Barter
S/V Nunky
SM 110

Main sail foil connection

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Hi all,

 

My main furler appears to have a rubber “plug” fitted inside the driving hub such that the lower bolt goes through this and only the upper bolt goes through the foil. See attached (although I know it’s not that clear but you can just see it if you zoom in a lot). So in effect, the foil drops into the hub by only 3cm and is attached with only the upper bolt. I thought this may have been done by the previous owner so that the foil can then undergo more breakages before it needs to be replaced in full, but he know nothing about it. I also think that given that the fracture is probably always going to be just above the hub, this is of no consequence. I would be interested to hear if anyone has seen this before, and also hear some opinions as to whether I should continue to use it as it is or try to remove the rubber plug.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98