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Re: Who can guess what this is

sherman.gifford
 

It's a leaf to extend the salon dining table - enjoy!! 



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From: "Mark Garver via groups.io" <mgarver@...>
Date: 4/28/21 3:35 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: AmelYachtOwners@groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Who can guess what this is

Greetings! This has been in the front hanging locker and I only saw part of it and had thought it was the small cockpit table. Today, I pulled it out and I have no idea what this is for. The stainless “legs” do not move and look like they are meant to be inserted/installed in something, somewhere. Anyone have the answer?


Re: Who can guess what this is

Dan Wilcox
 

I vote table extension.

Thanks, Dan
Feierabend SM#86

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 12:35:13 PM PDT, Mark Garver via groups.io <mgarver@...> wrote:


Greetings! This has been in the front hanging locker and I only saw part of it and had thought it was the small cockpit table. Today, I pulled it out and I have no idea what this is for. The stainless “legs” do not move and look like they are meant to be inserted/installed in something, somewhere. Anyone have the answer?


Who can guess what this is

Mark Garver
 

Greetings! This has been in the front hanging locker and I only saw part of it and had thought it was the small cockpit table. Today, I pulled it out and I have no idea what this is for. The stainless “legs” do not move and look like they are meant to be inserted/installed in something, somewhere. Anyone have the answer?


Re: High Presure Limitor for the Watermaker

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 


Does anybody no where I can find the limitor in the USA I am in the Bahamas on the Moment helping my frend  Andreas on his SM 2000, hul Nr 372. Thanks Heinz Sailing Vessel Quetzal. 

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292


High Presure Limitor for Watertank.

heinz@quetzal.berlin
 

Dies anybody no where I can find the limitor in the USA I am in the Bahamas on the Moment gelohnt my frend  Andreas on his SM 2000, hul Nr 372. Thanks Heinz Sailing Vessel Quetzal. 

--
Hello 
Since yesterday when I tried to park in a box in a marina in Auckland my bow thruster motor failed. 
If I turn the beam to the left or right the whole power supply breaks down for a moment. After that the power is back. 
I took the rudder off and it can be turned perfectly by hand. 
But the same happens with the engine. No power for a few seconds, all instruments off, no rotation of the motor. 
Does anyone know this problem. 
Does anyone know how I can find out if it's the motor or maybe a relay that doesn't work. 
Can I test the motor without a relay, maybe on the 4 cables marked D1, D2, and A1, A2?
I am grateful for a quick answer.
Heinz SY Quetzal, SM 2000, 292


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Dean,

You are right, we do have a different alternator. But this makes me wonder even more as the compact alternators have much more airgaps to let the heat out then the high output ones. The fans on these alternators are mounted internally.
I guess the build of the high output ones is more heat resistant. What I don't like about this is that most high-current devices use temperature sensors (shore chargers, solar chargers, etc). What if the airflow gets restricted (for example engine room ventilation breaks down) or a bearing runs hot?
For me it was easy as I did no have to buy any additional things to achieve temperature control on the alternator. But I still find it strange that Mastervolt claims you don't need it. In luxury cars nowadays the alternator is even water-cooled and I'm pretty sure those have less work to do then a lithium charging alternator.

But you could just stick a Amazon remote thermometer on the alternator to see what it's doing and build confidence that way.

Cheers,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

Paul Stascavage
 

Paul,

We spent much of this past winter in cold weather climates and that area was one of the first we noticed the mold stains.  We tried vinegar as well as many other products, but the only one that worked for us on that material, in a timely fashion, was Tilex (which contains a significant amount of bleach).  Spray it on with a good deal of ventilation and wait a few hours.  Dry the area with a fan to get rid of the bleach odors.  Repeat if necessary. That material is colorfast but the bleach will lighten the color a bit as it bleaches out old dirt and grime.  We had to treat the entire area to end up with a uniformly clean surface.

Something else that we found that works on fabric and carpet (but takes a good deal of time) is what piratical sailor (https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/fighting-mildew-mold-and-lichen) calls formula b:

2 tablespoons of baking soda
2 tablespoons of borax
1 tablespoon of trisodiumphosphate (TSP)

Mix in 1 quart of warm water with stirring.

What  worked for us on fabric and carpet is to spray the area with the formula b and let sit for a few days.  Come back with vinegar and a brush.  Repeat until the stains are completely gone, which could be 3 or 4 applications. 

If you spent a good deal of time under those conditions, I suggest looking around the boat for other potentially impacted areas.

Cabinets, lockers, closets, under berths, etc. Any areas close to the hull is where there would have been excessive condensation and possibly a problem.

We just completed an extensive cleaning of the boat from stem to stern.  Feel free to email me (paul dot stascavage at icloud dot com) if you find your problem is more extensive than you thought and I will share what I have learned.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Exploring Brunswick, GA

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Dean Gillies
 

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 08:33 PM, Scott SV Tengah wrote:
I've had it run at full output from 30% SOC, so that's around 4 hours at full "realistic" output.
Hi Scott,
That's about the highest load scenario I'm contemplating. That gives me confidence.

I hear you re managing the charging sources. My system design includes a "charge enable" signal from the BMS which is only active when the BMS is completely happy for the batteries to be charged. BMS fault conditions requiring charging to cease, including an "almost-full" battery, disable the alternator as well as managing the Smart Solar MPPT, Multi-Plus 3000 and Mastervolt 100/40 chargers. The wonders of Multi-Plus, CAN-Bus and the Victron Cerbo GX!

Best regards
Dean
SV Stella A54-154

 
    
 


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Arno,
I don't believe that is my alternator that your manual is referencing. My alternator is not the "Compact" version, its the "High Output" version. 
I have attached the manual, and I have the 110A variant.

Section 4.3 discusses the temperature issue, and recommends a temperature sensor for "Non-Mastervolt Alternators", and specifically says this:  "The Mastervolt high power output alternators do not need this alternator temperature sensor since they are designed to charge cyclic used batteries".

Mastervolt seem to have confidence in these High Output Alternators... maybe I should too ??

Best regards
Dean
SV Stella A54-154


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Scott SV Tengah
 

Dean,

I've been running the MV 110 alternator with my 450AH Victron lifepo4 battery setup for over two years now, nearly full time live aboard. I've had it run at full output from 30% SOC, so that's around 4 hours at full "realistic" output.

I talked to a MV tech and they swore up and down that I didn't need to because their alternator can handle lithium just fine, but I still installed the included battery temp monitor onto the alternator and used the MV software to configure it to taper output if temp gets above a certain point. Can't recall that point and I'm not at the boat right now.

Note I switched out to the MV AP2 as the AP3 wasn't available in my area when I was installing.

Over the last 2+ years, the MV110 has not once suffered power taper due to overheating. It has, of course, tapered due to cell imbalance, which is why I keep harping that people need to understand how their system reacts when the inevitable high SOC, high charge rate induced cell imbalance occurs. On my system, as you know, the BMS just tells the chargers to stop charging, without any disconnect. 

Hope this gives you some comfort.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Dean,

See page six  of the added document and the notes on page 13

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bill, I had the same problem and did the same. After a tightening or two in time to come I will add the third.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 26 April 2021 at 10:23 Bill Kinney <cruisingconsulting@...> wrote:

Also with the dual caveats that this might be confusing, and that this is a report of success, NOT advice...

Like many Amel owners, when it was finally time to repack our rudder I was very frustrated with the fit of the standard packing.  No matter how hard I worked it, with all the tricks that have been discussed here--and a few more--I could not get the packing compressed enough to get enough threads on the plastic nut engaged to properly torque it down.  Applying all the torque I could without stripping threads wasn't enough: It leaked in a seaway.

With another passage coming up quickly, and fresh out of ideas and time, I was getting desperate, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Figuring that doing nothing wasn't an option, I tried the last thing I could think of:  I ripped out the top piece of packing, and tightened the nut down hard on the remaining two.  Success!  No leaks--not a drop--even in some pretty rough sailing.  Two well fit, tightly compressed rings of packing did a much better job of keeping the ocean on the outside of the boat than three lightly compressed rings.

I am not at all sure this is a satisfactory long term solution, but it got us where we needed to go and kept us dry. I have ONE more trick up my sleeve that I want to try on this.  I'll report back here if it works...

Bill Kinney
SM160,  Harmonie
Hollywood, Florida, USA


Re: Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
  a few years ago we sailed north and had same issue.  Cold weather makes a perfect incubator inside a warm boat.  For routine cleaning I too use a vinegar-alcohol solution but for tough mildew like this I recommend a product called X-14.  It has some kind of chlorine (not bleach) ingredient which wipes out the mildew.  Spray it on, let it sit for a minute or two, then wipe off.    I have used it on the vinyl fabric inside, leather and vinyl seats outside and on fiberglass with no trouble.  Other surfaces I cannot attest to.  

Regards,  John Clark

Annie   SM #37
St Thomas, USVI

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 6:14 PM Paul Guenette via groups.io <paulguenette=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello,

I am looking for some advice on cleaning the fabric on the wall of the passage way berth.

I spent this past winter in the Pacific North West. While in Comox BC Canada I have been using a dehumidifier and also using the exhaust fan while using the propane stove to help reduce moisture in the boat.  Over the course of the last six months the fabric on the walls of the passageway berth has started to get a little discolored in some spots. Attached are a couple of photos.

I am wondering what products and methods of cleaning others have used on this fabric.

I appreciate your advice and feed back.

Thank you, Paul
Aramis  SM-2K  444
Comox, BC, Canada


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

Bill Kinney
 

Eric,

When all else fails.. GET A BIGGER HAMMER!

The only thing I missed was the Molycote! Surprising, considering how much I love and use that stuff.

I am going to try using Western Pacific Trading's dripless packing. I have always had great success with that in prop shaft applications. I expect that 2 rings of standard packing with about 8mm of dripless packing in between will be a pretty good, and nearly permanent, solution.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, Florida, USA


Re: Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Paul,

 

Using a spray bottle, I spray the fabric with a mild vinegar solution and use a scrub brush. Then, I shop-vac it dry. Repeat until clean. Afterward, rinse with plain water and shop-vac dry again. This method has removed almost all stains on Amel fabrics.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Guenette via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 12:14 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

 

Hello,

I am looking for some advice on cleaning the fabric on the wall of the passage way berth.

I spent this past winter in the Pacific North West. While in Comox BC Canada I have been using a dehumidifier and also using the exhaust fan while using the propane stove to help reduce moisture in the boat.  Over the course of the last six months the fabric on the walls of the passageway berth has started to get a little discolored in some spots. Attached are a couple of photos.

I am wondering what products and methods of cleaning others have used on this fabric.

I appreciate your advice and feed back.

Thank you, Paul
Aramis  SM-2K  444
Comox, BC, Canada


Re: Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Paul,

We have this problem as well. 

Solved with a commercial product called Exit Mould. 

Good luck

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007


On 26/04/2021, at 10:14 AM, Paul Guenette via groups.io <paulguenette@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for some advice on cleaning the fabric on the wall of the passage way berth.

I spent this past winter in the Pacific North West. While in Comox BC Canada I have been using a dehumidifier and also using the exhaust fan while using the propane stove to help reduce moisture in the boat.  Over the course of the last six months the fabric on the walls of the passageway berth has started to get a little discolored in some spots. Attached are a couple of photos.

I am wondering what products and methods of cleaning others have used on this fabric.

I appreciate your advice and feed back.

Thank you, Paul
Aramis  SM-2K  444
Comox, BC, Canada
<Passage way berth 2 IMG_3625.jpg>
<Passage way berth wall 1 IMG_3626.jpg>


Re: Passageway berth wall fabric cleaning advice

Courtney Gorman
 

Start with Vinegar 50/50 mix with water soak well if that doesn’t work try Barkeepers Friend 
Cheers 


On Apr 25, 2021, at 6:14 PM, Paul Guenette via groups.io <paulguenette@...> wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for some advice on cleaning the fabric on the wall of the passage way berth.

I spent this past winter in the Pacific North West. While in Comox BC Canada I have been using a dehumidifier and also using the exhaust fan while using the propane stove to help reduce moisture in the boat.  Over the course of the last six months the fabric on the walls of the passageway berth has started to get a little discolored in some spots. Attached are a couple of photos.

I am wondering what products and methods of cleaning others have used on this fabric.

I appreciate your advice and feed back.

Thank you, Paul
Aramis  SM-2K  444
Comox, BC, Canada
<Passage way berth 2 IMG_3625.jpg>
<Passage way berth wall 1 IMG_3626.jpg>


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

eric freedman
 

HI Bill.

I use a piece of PVC pipe probably 2 inch. I take a small sledge hammer and with molycote the inside walls of the stuffing box I pound each piece of packing one at a time  in place.

This works for me.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Double Face Sledge Hammer, 3 lb Head Weight, 1 3/4 in Head Width, 15 1/4 in Overall Length

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io On Behalf Of Bill Kinney
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] 5 piece stuffing box

 

Also with the dual caveats that this might be confusing, and that this is a report of success, NOT advice...

Like many Amel owners, when it was finally time to repack our rudder I was very frustrated with the fit of the standard packing.  No matter how hard I worked it, with all the tricks that have been discussed here--and a few more--I could not get the packing compressed enough to get enough threads on the plastic nut engaged to properly torque it down.  Applying all the torque I could without stripping threads wasn't enough: It leaked in a seaway.

With another passage coming up quickly, and fresh out of ideas and time, I was getting desperate, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Figuring that doing nothing wasn't an option, I tried the last thing I could think of:  I ripped out the top piece of packing, and tightened the nut down hard on the remaining two.  Success!  No leaks--not a drop--even in some pretty rough sailing.  Two well fit, tightly compressed rings of packing did a much better job of keeping the ocean on the outside of the boat than three lightly compressed rings.

I am not at all sure this is a satisfactory long term solution, but it got us where we needed to go and kept us dry. I have ONE more trick up my sleeve that I want to try on this.  I'll report back here if it works...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, Florida, USA


Re: Mastervolt Alpha High-Output Alternator Temperature when charging LiFePO4

Dean Gillies
 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 02:59 AM, Dominique Sery wrote:
I'm going to the boat in 3 weeks to install the lithium batteries.

Hi Dominique,
That's exciting! It would be very helpful information to know how your alternator temperature behaves when charging at full-load for an extended time. Thank you.
Best regards
Dean
SV Stella
A54-154



 


Re: 5 piece stuffing box

Bill Kinney
 

Also with the dual caveats that this might be confusing, and that this is a report of success, NOT advice...

Like many Amel owners, when it was finally time to repack our rudder I was very frustrated with the fit of the standard packing.  No matter how hard I worked it, with all the tricks that have been discussed here--and a few more--I could not get the packing compressed enough to get enough threads on the plastic nut engaged to properly torque it down.  Applying all the torque I could without stripping threads wasn't enough: It leaked in a seaway.

With another passage coming up quickly, and fresh out of ideas and time, I was getting desperate, and desperate times call for desperate measures. Figuring that doing nothing wasn't an option, I tried the last thing I could think of:  I ripped out the top piece of packing, and tightened the nut down hard on the remaining two.  Success!  No leaks--not a drop--even in some pretty rough sailing.  Two well fit, tightly compressed rings of packing did a much better job of keeping the ocean on the outside of the boat than three lightly compressed rings.

I am not at all sure this is a satisfactory long term solution, but it got us where we needed to go and kept us dry. I have ONE more trick up my sleeve that I want to try on this.  I'll report back here if it works...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Hollywood, Florida, USA

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