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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

eric freedman
 

I mounted my Raymarine chart plotter at the helm in a Navpod which is VERY water resistant.

I removed it once and the unit looked like new.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 7:28 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

Hi Duane

 

Glad to hear you found the cause.

 

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

 

Here is an IPX list from the web.

 

Best - Daniel

 

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?

 

 

Transmission and c drive question please.

Porter McRoberts
 

To get the transmission off the front of the engine.
Can one raise the cap off the c drive?
The c drive gearbox?





Many thanks

Porter
Amel 54-152 st Thomas


Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone
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Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hi Duane

Glad to hear you found the cause.

Most electronic devices have a water Ingress rating, which means, how much water they can "digest". I have a B&G Zeus 2 at the helm (on the starboard side, behind a window, which can't be opened on the Santorin) and its water Ingress rating is IPX 6 and 7. I dont know what Your Furuno plotter has. But according to the protection it is built one can "stress" it.

Here is an IPX list from the web.

Best - Daniel

IPX0 – This means it’s not water resistant at all. Think of what happens to paper when it gets wet. It’s a mess and your novella is ruined.

IPX1 – This will protect a device from some water drops that are falling vertically on said device. I guess it’s possible for this situation to actually occur but so is winning the lottery. If you or someone you know has won the lottery, sharing is caring.

IPX2 –  This will protect your thingy from some water drops when the device is tilted up to and including 15°. If you have your device at 16°, you are screwed, sorry but there are limits in the world.

IPX3 – Getting better, you can now spray your gear up to 60° from the top of the device. So that’s cool, I guess.

IPX4 – Now we are getting somewhere. This will keep “yo ish chill” from splashing water from any direction. So if you drop some cubes of ice into you scotch and it splashes, there is no need to worry. Well, except for those drops of scotch that didn’t make it into your tummy.

IPX5 – (this is where the super soaker is allowed). Will protect your stuff from water jets at any direction. Spray away kiddo, spray away.

IPX6 – Protects from powerful water jets. So if you modified your super soaker with an air compressor and an aftermarket tip, your stuff is still safe.

Everything after this is now water proof.

IPX7 – Full splashdown accepted captain. If you drop your device in water up to 3 feet (1 meter but this is ‘Merica and we don’t do the metric system. USA USA USA) your device is still going to work.

IPX8 – You can protect your device in water over 3 feet. This is for your stuff at the bottom of a pool, lake, or even a super deep public hot tub. What’s up with that one couple that never gets out of the hot tub?


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Porter McRoberts
 

Duane. 
I have a Furuno, same locale. I’ve had some issues too. Not to add fuel to your misery after the fact but corrosion X can help in the future with this. I spray this stuff everywhere and liberally. It really seems to help. Bill R’s great suggestion. 

Also no weather cover on the RS-232. Installed by Pochon in Martinique. I was also disappointed. 

I’ll be in your shoes in time. Sorry you have to deal with that!

Porter
54-152


On Feb 26, 2018, at 4:46 AM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

In fact, Furuno is not "bullet proof".  The old Furuno at the helm was sent in for repair.  Here is there response:


RDP148 S/N 4325-0332    Tested unit, network functions are intermittent.  Inspected the unit and found  data ports 1 & 3 are corroded on the SPU PCB and  Power PCB is water damaged.  Power boards are no longer available for this model; unit is unrepairable.  Would you like to have the unit returned unrepaired at no charge?   

Note the "water damage" item.  This unit was installed by Amel without any kind of weather cover so I expect that it should have been fine in its location.  If you leave the windshield up, and it starts to rain the unit will get somewhat wet.  Even washing the boat carefully some water may splash on the unit.  So getting wet should not have been too much of a problem.  Maybe past owners hosed the unit down while washing the boat.  Definitely not bullet proof.

The replacement unit was from Ebay and had remains of sealant on it where the old weather cover had been removed.  So it was an outdoor unit as well.  

Amazingly enough the refer started to work again shortly after I posted the note.  I used the hi/low speed button and it came on, so maybe that switch is bad.  

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
and sometimes old gear is just about to fail gear...
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

An update on the reefer - it was a loose wire, most likely from the "salty" sailing!

Duane


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

In fact, Furuno is not "bullet proof".  The old Furuno at the helm was sent in for repair.  Here is there response:

RDP148 S/N 4325-0332    Tested unit, network functions are intermittent.  Inspected the unit and found  data ports 1 & 3 are corroded on the SPU PCB and  Power PCB is water damaged.  Power boards are no longer available for this model; unit is unrepairable.  Would you like to have the unit returned unrepaired at no charge?   

Note the "water damage" item.  This unit was installed by Amel without any kind of weather cover so I expect that it should have been fine in its location.  If you leave the windshield up, and it starts to rain the unit will get somewhat wet.  Even washing the boat carefully some water may splash on the unit.  So getting wet should not have been too much of a problem.  Maybe past owners hosed the unit down while washing the boat.  Definitely not bullet proof.

The replacement unit was from Ebay and had remains of sealant on it where the old weather cover had been removed.  So it was an outdoor unit as well.  

Amazingly enough the refer started to work again shortly after I posted the note.  I used the hi/low speed button and it came on, so maybe that switch is bad.  

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
and sometimes old gear is just about to fail gear...
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

eric freedman
 

That would also be my guess or “St Elmo’s fire”

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

 

 

I would guess a nearby lighting strike.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 26, 2018 03:40, "danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

 

I would first look for the reasons why.

 

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

 

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

 

Have they been checked?

 

Just some thoughts.

 

Best - Daniel

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I would guess a nearby lighting strike.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 26, 2018 03:40, "danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

I would first look for the reasons why.

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

Have they been checked?

Just some thoughts.

Best - Daniel


Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

Alan Leslie
 

Furuno is famous for ruggedness and reliability. Look at fishing boats, what do they have? Furuno.
Elyse has had Furuno plotters since 2004...so that's 14 years...without any problems at all. Seems very odd that you have 2 plotters die in one year, and other problems. Seems to me that it may not be a Furuno problem but a boat wiring problem you have.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

amelforme
 

Any electrical storm/lightning nearby?

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, danielmfrey63@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

I would first look for the reasons why.

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

Have they been checked?

Just some thoughts.

Best - Daniel

Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

danielmfrey63@...
 

Hi

Isn't it a Little bit strange that on the same trip 2 or 3 electronic devices (1 or 2 Plotters and 1 VHF) "die"?

I would first look for the reasons why.

Maybe something wrong with the electronic circuit?

And aren't These devices "protected" by fuses?

Have they been checked?

Just some thoughts.

Best - Daniel

Re: Maretron Electronics experience?

greatketch@...
 


Duane,

I can not comment specifically on the Maretron brand other than by reputation (good!), but I have a lot of experience with NMEA2k network.  It really is plug and play.  Mostly...  

Raymarine Seatalk NG is one special case. They use the NMEA2k protocol, but with their own proprietary connectors.  We integrated a Raymarine AIS system into our mostly B&G network without a problem just by using an adapter cable.  Simrad does the same thing with different connectors. Adapters are available for all.  

The good news is that the cables are really simple, just four wires, two for power, two for data.  You can splice them without a problem if you end up with connector frustration.

Other than occasional issues with connector matching, I have never had any problem with instruments talking to each other over the NMEA2k network.

If you are thinking about the WS0100, you might want to seriously look at the line of ultrasonic wind sensors from Airmar.  Some of them are designed more with sailboats in mind.  They understand heel, and true vs apparent wind, and other such details.  I used one with a B&G based NMEA2k network on my old boat and was very happy with it. Some of these also include gyro compass data so you can use them to supply heading data to your AP.  All over the NMEA2k network. In my past experience Airmar's tech support is excellent, and worth a call to help you decide between the many models available.

Along with wind, temperature, compass, gyro rate, barometric pressure, pitch, roll, yaw, GPS data, some of them incorporate a dew point sensor.  That has a reputation as a bit fragile, so might not be worth spending extra on unless you are a real weather geek!

Bill Kinney
Sm160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas








---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

Recently on a trip from Georgia to West Palm Beach FL our Furuno plotter at the helm died, this is the second Furuno helm plotter to die in a year.  The Furuno at the nav desk has taken to going "blip" and resetting itself.  Neither of these things inspires any confidence so we've decided to bite the bullet and replace much of the electronics.

In looking at what's available I liked the Maretron DST110 Triducer for depth, speed and temperature.  I'm not sure if it will fit yet, but Delos plugged it into their existing thru-hull.  I also like the Maretron masthead unit WS0100 for being solid state, no moving parts, and being a weather station to boot (air temp, humidity and barometric pressure).  Both of these are NMEA 2000.  I know there's been a lot of discussion on the speed/depth sensors, but those discussions were based on keeping the Hydra, I'm going to ditch it in favor of a new system.

I wonder, is NMEA 2000 really going to let me plug in different manufacturers and be successful? I understand it's the stated goal, but is it practical?  If I were to go with a B&G Zeus 3 (and 4G radar) and the above Maretron sensors (and maybe the small Maretron multi-function displays to replace the B&G) it should work, right?

I plan on keeping the Raymarine Autopilot (S3G) system and using a multiplexer/converter to port it over to the chartplotter.  By keeping the S3G I should be able to use the Raymarine Fluxgate Compass and rudder sensor for the whole system (right?).  

My Raymarine VHF died on this same trip, so instead of trying to save it, I'm going to replace it with a NMEA 2000 black box.  The B&G V90 does both VHF and AIS, one unit, one aerial.

I'd appreciate any experience with the Maretron instruments, and whether the mix and match approach seems reasonable.  Any hints or suggestions are also welcome.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Maretron Electronics experience?

Duane Siegfri
 

Recently on a trip from Georgia to West Palm Beach FL our Furuno plotter at the helm died, this is the second Furuno helm plotter to die in a year.  The Furuno at the nav desk has taken to going "blip" and resetting itself.  Neither of these things inspires any confidence so we've decided to bite the bullet and replace much of the electronics.

In looking at what's available I liked the Maretron DST110 Triducer for depth, speed and temperature.  I'm not sure if it will fit yet, but Delos plugged it into their existing thru-hull.  I also like the Maretron masthead unit WS0100 for being solid state, no moving parts, and being a weather station to boot (air temp, humidity and barometric pressure).  Both of these are NMEA 2000.  I know there's been a lot of discussion on the speed/depth sensors, but those discussions were based on keeping the Hydra, I'm going to ditch it in favor of a new system.

I wonder, is NMEA 2000 really going to let me plug in different manufacturers and be successful? I understand it's the stated goal, but is it practical?  If I were to go with a B&G Zeus 3 (and 4G radar) and the above Maretron sensors (and maybe the small Maretron multi-function displays to replace the B&G) it should work, right?

I plan on keeping the Raymarine Autopilot (S3G) system and using a multiplexer/converter to port it over to the chartplotter.  By keeping the S3G I should be able to use the Raymarine Fluxgate Compass and rudder sensor for the whole system (right?).  

My Raymarine VHF died on this same trip, so instead of trying to save it, I'm going to replace it with a NMEA 2000 black box.  The B&G V90 does both VHF and AIS, one unit, one aerial.

I'd appreciate any experience with the Maretron instruments, and whether the mix and match approach seems reasonable.  Any hints or suggestions are also welcome.

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker

James Alton
 

Miles

   I think that you are right about  ventilation in the chain locker helping to reducing the growth of the the mold in the chain locker.  If  the moisture content of wood is kept below 20-28% (depending on species and whether rot is established already) it won’t rot either.  It is nice to know that people like yourself are doing what they can to take good care of these amazing boats.   

Best,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 22, 2018, at 4:22 PM, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello James,

You make an excellent point in advising that the chain locker door be opened when the boat is in a marina.  I try to always open the door in a marina and when the boat is out of the water.  The  open door allows a nice air flow through the locker and makes a noticeable difference in the growth of mold and dampness of the wood.  

Regards,

Miles 

 s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Le Marin, Martinique



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers

Porter McRoberts
 

Thx Bill. 
Portermcroberts@... is correct. 
Porter


On Feb 22, 2018, at 2:01 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

@yahoo.com


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 22, 2018 11:57, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Porter, 


What is the rest of the email address. Portermcroberts@......?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of seals for gearbox oil change

Peter Forbes
 

Trying to contact Gian Piero Staffa.

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 22 Feb 2018, at 06:59, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Jean-Pierre,

Hope all is well with you?


Thank you yes please can you send me his mail address and I will tell him of your reco.
Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory
Farnham
Blandford
Dorset
DT11 8DE




On 21 Feb 2018, at 17:17, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Peter,


Gian Piero Staffa lives in Antigua and has a ’54.  If you need his email, I’ll send you his perso email addy.

Tell him I sent you…

Kind regards 

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY ELEUTHERA, SM 007

On 21 Feb 2018, at 10:47, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Fellow Amelians,

Does any one know of a mechanic experienced enough to undertake change of prop gearbox seals on Amel 54 in Antigua. 

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730
Carango
Amel 54 
St Lucia en route to Antigua 




Re: Anchor Locker

Miles
 

Hello James,

You make an excellent point in advising that the chain locker door be opened when the boat is in a marina.  I try to always open the door in a marina and when the boat is out of the water.  The  open door allows a nice air flow through the locker and makes a noticeable difference in the growth of mold and dampness of the wood.  

Regards,

Miles

 s/y Ladybug, SM 216, Le Marin, Martinique

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

@yahoo.com


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 22, 2018 11:57, "kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Porter, 


What is the rest of the email address. Portermcroberts@......?

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Porter, I Appreciate your comment.

Regards

Danny

On 23 February 2018 at 00:17 "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Danny. 

Porter
54-152


On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well said Pat,

And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM


 









Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group  . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat

SM#123






-----Original
Message-----

From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver








 















Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny

I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries. 

Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?

Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform 

PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.

kr

Hanspeter

Tamango
2

SM16; Las
Palmas





Von meinem iPhone gesendet



Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:




















 











Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.



Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 


 



Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi
all,

I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in
fact.

What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!

There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there. 
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.

Sincere
regards,

Neil
Bailey

Director

Bailey
Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New
Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:




60;

 



Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 

New Zealand





On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 

Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience. 

Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye





 



Hello Pat,



I totally agree with you Danny.



This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.


You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.



I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.

Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).



I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.



Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:

remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....


Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.

Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.

Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...

Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.

IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.



I really implore Rafael to tell his story…



Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.

He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.



Alexandre



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On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM





 



















The

insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,

and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the

market value is, because they don't want you to be

enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging

excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended

to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the

entire boating community through the internet and
sailing

magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate

their story , if  it results in lost business maybe
they

will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company

cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the

reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a

dream .

Pat 



SM Shenanigans













-----Original

Message-----



From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown



Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying

goodbye

















 



























Good morning Danny,











I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de

Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it

is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right

to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market

value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case

of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the

agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more

than the market value).





That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to

compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that

1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,

2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher

agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the

average, etc...





So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all

the details.





We have been working since November on this.











So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an

“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you

want I can show the specific section where what I just

explained is written. That will be in french in my case.











Sincerely, Alexandre











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On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying

goodbye





To: amely
achtowners@...





Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

















 

































































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now





have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope

that





would help in the case of a write off.DannySM





299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19





"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...





[amelyachtowners]"





<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











  Dear Rafael,

















I think you need to tell





the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.











We have the same insurance





Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think





every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they





used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.











It is not “my” place to





tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I

will





write mine with all the details when it will be settled.













I am definitely sorry that





your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and

did





not had the joy of sailing her.











Sincerely, Alexandre

















--------------------------------------------





On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie





<no_reply@...>

wrote:











Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying





goodbye





To:





amelyachtowners@...





Date:





Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM

















 



























































Dear





friends AMEL ownersProbably this





will be





the last email that I send and I will withdraw from





the group. The reason is that Hurricane





Irma





destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be





impossible for me to





recover it.The





insurance will only pay a fraction of





what





it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and





other reasons.This situation not only





destroyed my<
br>



ship but my dreams. My dreams





of living on board with my





wife, my dreams





of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my











dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other





seas





and finally returning to the beautiful





South of





Chile.





In this





group I gained friends





and knowledge and





for that, I thank each and every one of











you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the

beginning





helped me with their advice.











If





you sail to Chile you will have a





friend





here.Greetings to











all





Fair





windsRafaelSM2k





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers

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Hi Porter, 

What is the rest of the email address. Portermcroberts@......?