Date   
Search and Rescue Contact Info

rossirossix4
 

Hi All,

I was just updating SAR info for Malta, Sardinia, Corsica, etc and found an informative site https://sarcontacts.info/  I hope you find it useful--it covers area worldwide.  Nice interactive map.


Thinking that I might have missed something in Noonsite, I sent it on to them and received a reply that made me feel good!


Hi Bob, 

Thanks for the great suggestion - I can't believe we've overlooked getting that info. on Noonsite! 

I have already added the site to our Safety page - http://www.noonsite.com/General/MedicalSafety/, and we will get on and add each SAR base to the Emergency section for each country.

Really helpful info. thanks so much.

Look forward to some Malta updates when you get the chance! 

All the best, 

Sue


Evidently  “The worldwide Search and Rescue Contacts" website is managed by the Canadian Coast Guard in JRCC Halifax location.


Bob (Colorado), KAIMI SM429 (Malta)

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bamar MEJ1 Furlers

Porter McRoberts
 

 I couldn’t find a new motor for mine. While not new. I did rebuild my motor right before taking it off the boat. Let me know if your interested. 
Please contact me directly if so
Amel54-152


On Feb 13, 2018, at 7:39 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I was wondering if anyone knows what the specs are for the 24v motor that drives the Bamar MEJ1 furlers.  I want to buy a spare motor but the UK agent charges £766 inc VAT for it. This strikes me as excessively expensive. I bet that the motor itself would be available direct from its manufacturer for a fraction of that price. For example last year I bought two spare toothed belts for the Bamar, they cost me £49 each. Since then I have managed to source them direct for £6 each, simply by using the code stamped on the belt. Exactly the same belt, same quality, same size etc.


Nick S/Y Amelia (Amel 54 #019)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boat Insurance///transmission Amel 54 IBIS

Porter McRoberts
 

Yes. The tranny’s ordered from florida. 1750+280 fedex. 53lbs. Only??  
Shipping Friday 2 day air. Arrives Tuesday?. Then customs......

Appreciate your confirmation. 

Porter



On Feb 21, 2018, at 11:12 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

Yes, taking into consideration all of the history, I agree you only have 1 realistic and dependable choice. Do you plan to do it in St. Thomas?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:54 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Bill. Appreciated. 


Had a guy come out to the boat. We took the old filter back to his shop. Cut it open. Lots of metal inside. I am going to get a new transmission unless you argue against it. It solves both problems. Mystery air ( transmission guy here was also scratching his head as to a solution, and no he doesn’t sell tranny’s,) and metal loss on gears. 
I spoke to the ZF dealer in Florida. He said on all ZFs older than 4-5 years they would routinely machine off 10/1000” to make the cup fit into the cylinder. This was a common problem. 

Problem is I am dead in the water without a good tranny. 

Any guidance is always appreciated. 

Thanks
Porter. 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Danny. 
Porter
54-152


On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:14 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well said Pat,

And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM


 









Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group  . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat

SM#123






-----Original
Message-----

From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver








 















Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny

I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries. 

Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?

Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform 

PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.

kr

Hanspeter

Tamango
2

SM16; Las
Palmas





Von meinem iPhone gesendet



Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:




















 











Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.



Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 


 



Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi
all,

I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in
fact.

What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!

There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there. 
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.

Sincere
regards,

Neil
Bailey

Director

Bailey
Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New
Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:




60;

 



Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 

New Zealand





On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 

Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience. 

Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye





 



Hello Pat,



I totally agree with you Danny.



This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.


You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.



I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.

Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).



I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.



Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:

remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....


Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.

Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.

Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...

Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.

IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.



I really implore Rafael to tell his story…



Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.

He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.



Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM





 



















The

insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,

and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the

market value is, because they don't want you to be

enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging

excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended

to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the

entire boating community through the internet and
sailing

magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate

their story , if  it results in lost business maybe
they

will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company

cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the

reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a

dream .

Pat 



SM Shenanigans













-----Original

Message-----



From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



To: amelyachtowners


Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying

goodbye

















 



























Good morning Danny,











I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de

Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it

is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right

to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market

value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case

of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the

agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more

than the market value).





That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to

compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that

1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,

2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher

agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the

average, etc...





So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all

the details.





We have been working since November on this.











So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an

“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you

want I can show the specific section where what I just

explained is written. That will be in french in my case.











Sincerely, Alexandre











--------------------------------------------





On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying

goodbye





To: amely
achtowners@...





Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

















 

































































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now





have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope

that





would help in the case of a write off.DannySM





299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19





"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...





[amelyachtowners]"





<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











  Dear Rafael,

















I think you need to tell





the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.











We have the same insurance





Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think





every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they





used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.











It is not “my” place to





tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I

will





write mine with all the details when it will be settled.













I am definitely sorry that





your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and

did





not had the joy of sailing her.











Sincerely, Alexandre

















--------------------------------------------





On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie





<no_reply@...>

wrote:











Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying





goodbye





To:





amelyachtowners@...





Date:





Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM

















 



























































Dear





friends AMEL ownersProbably this





will be





the last email that I send and I will withdraw from





the group. The reason is that Hurricane





Irma





destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be





impossible for me to





recover it.The





insurance will only pay a fraction of





what





it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and





other reasons.This situation not only





destroyed my<
br>



ship but my dreams. My dreams





of living on board with my





wife, my dreams





of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my











dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other





seas





and finally returning to the beautiful





South of





Chile.





In this





group I gained friends





and knowledge and





for that, I thank each and every one of











you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the

beginning





helped me with their advice.











If





you sail to Chile you will have a





friend





here.Greetings to











all





Fair





windsRafaelSM2k





246























Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF

Andy Buxford
 

The amount of power put through an aerial (and coax) makes
transmitting incomparable with receiving.

The nature of receiving means that you can receive with a poorly-tuned
antenna or, often, with just a bit of wire.

VHF signals are normally bound by the horizon - if you were able to
hear VHF channels at 100's of miles distance then that's caused by
unusual atmospheric conditions (e.g. ducting) and I wouldn't draw any
conclusions from it.

The best thing to do is find a local ham or amateur radio club and ask
them to help you test your feed line with their SWR meter.




On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:59 PM, sailor63109@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Our VHF has a history of not working for completely inexplicable reasons. It will receive but will not send, even at very close ranges. It will work for a time and then not work for a time. Thank goodness I bought a handheld for a backup.


It doesn't seem like it could be the antenna. We listened to the USCG Charleston SC when we were at the FL/GA border, almost two hundred miles away (they must have a very tall antenna)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Thanks Alexandre,

we all have our contribution to make.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 22 February 2018 at 02:14 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Well said Pat,

And Thanks Danny for taking the time to share your experience with us regarding the insurance.

Sincerely Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 2/21/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 6:39 AM


 









Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a
member of this group for 11 years and never realized that
this group was strictly a "technical exchange
platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of
the group  . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a
technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !
Pat

SM#123






-----Original
Message-----

From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...'
hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it
deliver








 















Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny

I
don't like that you use this forum as an add and
marketing platform. Insurance are different by
countries. 

Mr.
Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My
question ? who is paying the avocate ?

Looking
forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange
platform 

PS: there
are lots of other social platforms to share individuels
needs.

kr

Hanspeter

Tamango
2

SM16; Las
Palmas





Von meinem iPhone gesendet



Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:




















 











Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the
insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox
Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The
Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of
New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of
Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE
Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company
is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you
don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to
have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will)
However we have confidence in our broker.



Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 


 



Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an
email from my new broker sent after he read some of the
posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi
all,

I’ve
been reading some of the comments posted by many of you
about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I
feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good
situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and
sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or
support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies
and they have worked for us and our clients as they should,
many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in
fact.

What
you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims
process goes as it should – in addition t
o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where
an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a
good one anyway!

There
are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there. 
Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written
on.

Sincere
regards,

Neil
Bailey

Director

Bailey
Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New
Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27
"Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:




60;

 



Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance
company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed
value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because,
firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly
to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value"
policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does
have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with
the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add
something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 

New Zealand





On 16 February 2018 at 06:42
"Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



 

Alexandre,
Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more
critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would
look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their
responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of
boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that
they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does
not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story
to a wider audience. 

Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>

Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a
m

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye





 



Hello Pat,



I totally agree with you Danny.



This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.


You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you
are covered, but you are not.



I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.

Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask
for mine).



I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we
have a way to make things better.



Example on my insurance policy it says
in case of a name storm approaching you have to:

remove anything that offers wind resistance which is:
bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy,
etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat.
As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues.
That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....


Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.

Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.

Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled
and store on land...

Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders,
dock lines, etc.

IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.



I really implore Rafael to tell his story…



Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be
hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a
boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster
would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u
nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is
at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t
reimburse.

He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now
simply has liability.



Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM





 



















The

insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value
,

and then only will pay out based on what they determine
the

market value is, because they don't want you to be

enriched ! Did they not e
nrich themselves by charging

excessive premiums for coverage they probably never
intended

to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to
the

entire boating community through the internet and
sailing

magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to
relate

their story , if  it results in lost business maybe
they

will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a
company

cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the

reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose
a

dream .

Pat 



SM Shenanigans













-----Original

Message-----



From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>



To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown



Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne
rs] Amel owner saying

goodbye

















 



























Good morning Danny,











I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through
de

Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as,
it

is written on the contrat that the insurance has the
right

to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the
market

value because the owner would “enrich” himself if
case

of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the

agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting
more

than the market value).





That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me
to

compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove
that

1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed
value,

2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher

agreed value) 3) that my expens
es were higher than the

average, etc...





So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with
all

the details.





We have been working since November on this.











So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an

“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If
you

want I can show the specific section where what I just

explained is written. That will be in french in my case.











Sincerely, Alexandre











--------------------------------------------





On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying

goodbye





To: amely
achtowners@...





Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM

















 

































































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now





have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope

that





would help in the case of a write off.DannySM





299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19





"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...





[amelyachtowners]"





<amelyachtowners@...>

wrote:











  Dear Rafael,

















I think you need to tell





the Group “your” story about the insu
rance.











We have the same insurance





Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think





every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they





used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.











It is not “my” place to





tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I

will





write mine with all the details when it will be settled.













I am definitely sorry that





your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and

did





not had the joy of sailing her.











Sincerely, Alexandre

















--------------------------------------------





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wrote:











Subject: [Am
el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying





goodbye





To:





amelyachtowners@...





Date:





Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM

















 



























































Dear





friends AMEL ownersProbably this





will be





the last email that I send and I will withdraw from





the group. The reason is that Hurricane





Irma





destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be





impossible for me to





recover it.The





insurance will only pay a fraction of





what





it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and





other reasons.This situation not only





destroyed my<
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ship but my dreams. My dreams





of living on board with my





wife, my dreams





of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my











dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other





seas





and finally returning to the beautiful





South of





Chile.





In this





group I gained friends





and knowledge and





for that, I thank each and every one of











you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the

beginning





helped me with their advice.











If





you sail to Chile you will have a





friend





here.Greetings to











all





Fair





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF

eric freedman
 

Hi Bill,

I guess I am a group of 1. In 2001, I talked Jean-Jacques into installing all Raymarine equipment except for the SSB and Weatherfax with navtex..  I believe I created the first Red Line even though my boot stripe was the Amel orange.

My Raymarine products have been working perfectly. My VHF has a handset at the nav station and one at the helm.

I have had Raymarine ,, Raytheon, Autohelm products on 4 boats now and I am very satisfied with the products and service.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF

 

 

I hate to make this comment, but I have always had bad experience with Raymarine VHF - handheld or standard. They make great autopilots.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

On Feb 21, 2018 17:59, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Duane,

I had a problem like that.  I replaced the wire to the masthead and all was well.  The range is now much bigger.   Maybe that is worth trying for you..

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug sm 216 , Port du Marin, Martinique

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker

James Studdart
 

Good to know. Thanks Vladimir. It seems prudent to keep an eye on the locker and then perform this at any sign it’s not in the best shape.

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean #344
Tahiti, FP

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 15:20 Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Yes it will work against gravity because of capillary effect. Water goes up in the trees because of capillary effect. I would roll it with a paint roller. It is very important to dry it well first. 

Vladimir

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Feb 21, 2018 15:40, "James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Out of curiosity, does penetrating epoxy work on the underside of the plywood (working against gravity). The plywood will draw in some I expect, but is it enough?

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
Tahiti, FP

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 05:56 Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Moldy pywood can be saved. Just clean it, dry well and apply penetrating epoxy. Follow instructions. Your can add a layer of fiberglass on top if needed. 

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 




On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@yahoo..com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker

James Alton
 

James,

   There are a lot of different kinds of mold, some are just superficial and some indicate that the wood is being consumed.  You can try poking the wood in areas with an ice pick to see if there is any unusual softness which would indicate dry rot..which is actually misnomer since some moisture is required for rot to progress.

   If the wood is dry, it will certainly absorb epoxy regardless of the orientation of the application.   Epoxy can do a great job protecting wood from absorbing moisture but if the wood is already wet (wood can appear dry on the surface but there still be a lot of moisture deeper into the wood) you will be sealing the moisture in which can in some cases accelerate the deterioration.   Think of the way the wood core in a deck with fibreglass on both sides of it will rot if the core gets wet.  The moisture can enter through a small hole but due to the fibreglass it cannot easily dry back out.   Keep in mind that with plywood, any moisture has to cross multiple glue lines to get out so the drying from the bottom could take a long time to complete if you want to go that route.  

  Another option would be to treat the wood with a water borne fungicide which actually works best if the wood is already wet.  The borate products work pretty well in preventing or slowing rot and are used for instance in the cellulose insulation used in attics to keep the paper from rotting or bugs eating it, while still being pretty safe for humans living in the house.  One such product that I have some experience with is called Timbor, which is a white powder that is mixed with water and can then be applied via brush or spray.  The product is essentially odourless and cleans up with water.  It will leave a white residue if allowed to dry on a surface but can be removed with soap and water.  Given time and enough applications the borate can completely penetrate the plywood and should slow  deterioration of the wood.  The anchor locker is a pretty harsh environment for wood due to the continual dampness so if I ever have to rebuild my own locker, I will consider my options to eliminate the wood panels.

   The cleaning that you are doing is certainly going to help.  I try to pull my anchor chain out each time I am in a marina, rinse and dry the locker.   I just lay a couple square rubber pads on the deck and pile it up close to the hawse pipe, I don’t bother stretching it out.  I also keep the chain door open to vent as much as I can so that things can dry inside the locker.  Good ventilation will help more than anything to reduce mildew and rot of the wood.

Best,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Feb 21, 2018, at 2:39 PM, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Out of curiosity, does penetrating epoxy work on the underside of the plywood (working against gravity). The plywood will draw in some I expect, but is it enough?

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
Tahiti, FP

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 05:56 Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Moldy pywood can be saved. Just clean it, dry well and apply penetrating epoxy. Follow instructions. Your can add a layer of fiberglass on top if needed. 

Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"



On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 






On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@yahoo..com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I hate to make this comment, but I have always had bad experience with Raymarine VHF - handheld or standard. They make great autopilots.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Feb 21, 2018 17:59, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Duane,

I had a problem like that.  I replaced the wire to the masthead and all was well.  The range is now much bigger.   Maybe that is worth trying for you.

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug sm 216 , Port du Marin, Martinique

Re: Raymarine Ray240 VHF

Miles
 

Hi Duane,

I had a problem like that.  I replaced the wire to the masthead and all was well.  The range is now much bigger.   Maybe that is worth trying for you.

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug sm 216 , Port du Marin, Martinique

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Yes it will work against gravity because of capillary effect. Water goes up in the trees because of capillary effect. I would roll it with a paint roller. It is very important to dry it well first. 

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Feb 21, 2018 15:40, "James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Out of curiosity, does penetrating epoxy work on the underside of the plywood (working against gravity). The plywood will draw in some I expect, but is it enough?

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
Tahiti, FP

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 05:56 Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Moldy pywood can be saved. Just clean it, dry well and apply penetrating epoxy. Follow instructions. Your can add a layer of fiberglass on top if needed. 

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 




On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@yahoo..com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of seals for gearbox oil change

Peter Forbes
 

Judy,

How nice to hear from you and thank you - do you have his direct e- mail?

How is living on land.

Peter

Do

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730

On 21 Feb 2018, at 19:25, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Peter,

Amel owner Gian Piero Staffa lives in Antigua.  He is a member of the Facebook Amel Group and could be contacted there.  Maybe he would know someone locally who can help you with this project.

Judy Rouse

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor Locker

James Studdart
 

Out of curiosity, does penetrating epoxy work on the underside of the plywood (working against gravity). The plywood will draw in some I expect, but is it enough?

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
Tahiti, FP

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 05:56 Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Moldy pywood can be saved. Just clean it, dry well and apply penetrating epoxy. Follow instructions. Your can add a layer of fiberglass on top if needed. 

Vladimir
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 




On Feb 21, 2018 05:01, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Gerhard,


This has been a popular topic recently.  It seems that this year many Super Maramus (mine included) have reached the age where the plywood in the chain locker reached the end of its useful life.  The only reason I can see for not fully encapsulating the plywood in the chain locker is just manufacturing expedience. There are very few places where Amel took shortcuts, so I guess I can forgive them this one.  Where our wood was coated, it was coated with glass and resin, not simply paint.

If the plywood is "moldy" it is almost certainly past the point where it can be saved, although others with more wooden boat experience than I might have some useful suggestions.

We replaced the horizontal plywood in our boat completely, and ground off a layer or two from the vertical bulkhead down to hard, dry wood before covering it with fiberglass and resin.  If you dig back a few months in the forum archives you'll find a lot of discussion about the various approaches to this project.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Freeport, Bahamas



---In amelyachtowners@..., <no_reply@...> wrote :


I take all the chain out every year to clean the anchor locker and as has been noted on previous posts, the plywood ceiling is always mouldy.  Does anybody know why the anchor locker is painted halfway up with white paint and the rest of the fiberglass is left bare and the plywood ceiling is left unpainted?  Has anybody painted the sides and especially the plywood ceiling?  If so, what paint was used?  Does anybody know what the existing white paint is?


Gerhard Hoffmann

Pepino SM381

Greece

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of seals for gearbox oil change

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Peter,

Amel owner Gian Piero Staffa lives in Antigua.  He is a member of the Facebook Amel Group and could be contacted there.  Maybe he would know someone locally who can help you with this project.

Judy Rouse

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rico Marina DEAL!

John Clark
 

Thanks Mark. 

By the way Browns at Bimini was great!

    Regards, John

SV Annie. SM 37

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018, 10:40 AM Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Nice!

How much do they charge weekly or monthly?

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 2/17/18, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rico Marina DEAL!
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, February 17, 2018, 3:38 PM


 

















If you are in the SE side
of Puerto Rico and need a nice
place to stay at a great price, then check out this special
at the Palmas Del Mar
Yacht Club:

 

Our first program is our Extended
Stay Program. For any vessel
booking transient dockage, we will provide a complimentary
stay of equal
duration. For example, if you book a one week stay we will
give you an
additional week free of charge. We hope you will take
advantage of this offer
to spend more time with us and discover new places or
revisit your favorites.
We're confident you will enjoy your time with us so
we're offering a
satisfaction guaranty: if for any reason within the first
week of your stay
you're unsatisfied, we will cancel your stay and issue
you a full refund (net
of any utility charges). 

 

We have stayed here and it
is VERY nice. There are
restaurants within walking distance and a small market. The
marina and staff
are super. There is Target Car Rental on site and it is
about 15 minutes to
Costco and 10 minutes to Wal-Mart.

 

If you go, please tell
Glenda (who speaks English) in the
office hi from Mark and Cindy – Cream Puff

 

Here is a link to their
page: http://www.theyachtclubmarina.com/


 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream
Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising -
Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 
















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

eric freedman
 

DITTO,

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

 

 

Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a member of this group for 11 years and never realized that this group was strictly a "technical exchange platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of the group  . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !

Pat

SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

 

Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny

I don't like that you use this forum as an add and marketing platform. Insurance are different by countries. 

Mr. Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My question ? who is paying the avocate ?

Looking forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange platform 

PS: there are lots of other social platforms to share individuels needs.

kr

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM16; Las Palmas



Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will) However we have confidence in our broker.

Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an email from my new broker sent after he read some of the posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi all,

I’ve been reading some of the comments posted by many of you about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies and they have worked for us and our clients as they should, many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in fact.

What you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims process goes as it should – in addition t o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a good one anyway!

There are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.  Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written on.

Sincere regards,

Neil Bailey

Director

Bailey Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

60;

 

Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because, firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value" policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 
New Zealand

 

On 16 February 2018 at 06:42 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre, Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story to a wider audience. 

Pat 

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye

 

Hello Pat,

I totally agree with you Danny.

This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you are covered, but you are not.

I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask for mine).

I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we have a way to make things better.

Example on my insurance policy it says in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is: bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy, etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat. As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues. That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled and store on land...
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders, dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.

I really implore Rafael to tell his story…

Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now simply has liability.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM


 









The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value ,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to the
entire boating community through the internet and sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to relate
their story , if  it results in lost business maybe they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose a
dream .
Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye








 













Good morning Danny,





I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as, it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting more
than the market value).


That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens es were higher than the
average, etc...


So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with all
the details.


We have been working since November on this.





So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.





Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye


To: amely achtowners@...


Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM








 
































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now


have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that


would help in the case of a write off.DannySM


299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19


"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...


[amelyachtowners]"


<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





  Dear Rafael,








I think you need to tell


the Group “your” story about the insu rance.





We have the same insurance


Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think


every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they


used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.





It is not “my” place to


tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will


write mine with all the details when it will be settled.






I am definitely sorry that


your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did


not had the joy of sailing her.





Sincerely, Alexandre








--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie


<no_reply@...>
wrote:





Subject: [Am el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying


goodbye


To:


amelyachtowners@...


Date:


Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM








 





























Dear


friends AMEL ownersProbably this


will be


the last email that I send and I will withdraw from


the group. The reason is that Hurricane


Irma


destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be


impossible for me to


recover it.The


insurance will only pay a fraction of


what


it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and


other reasons.This situation not only


destroyed my< br>

ship but my dreams. My dreams


of living on board with my


wife, my dreams


of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my





dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other


seas


and finally returning to the beautiful


South of


Chile.


In this


group I gained friends


and knowledge and


for that, I thank each and every one of





you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning


helped me with their advice.





If


you sail to Chile you will have a


friend


here.Greetings to





all


Fair


windsRafaelSM2k


246










 
< /div>

 


 

 


 

 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF

John Clark
 

Could the issue be the cable running up the mast.  A fatigue point might be where it is suspended at the mazt head.

We "lost" our primary VHF antenna after it was dinged by a bridge and subject to some agressive beating into the wind.  The antenna broke free leaving a stub of wire at mast head but still transmitted and recieved consistantly,  just not as good.  We switched to the antenna on the mizzen untill we get to Martinique.

Erratic performance sounds like something different.  

 Regards,  John
SV Annie. SM 37
Marsh Harbor BA.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018, 1:51 AM 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Duane;
 
We are also experiencing intermittent issues with the VHF. Our issue is reception, we seem to be transmitting fine. So when we have issue we transmit on the main VHF with the mast mounted antenna and receive on the handheld.
 
We have done numerous power and transmission tests and get intermittent results. We are going to replace the antenna at this year's haul out.
 
Does any one have a good recommendation for an antenna for a 54?
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 2:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine Ray240 VHF

 

Our VHF has a history of not working for completely inexplicable reasons.  It will receive but will not send, even at very close ranges.  It will work for a time and then not work for a time.  Thank goodness I bought a handheld for a backup.


It doesn't seem like it could be the antenna.  We listened to the USCG Charleston SC when we were at the FL/GA border, almost two hundred miles away (they must have a very tall antenna)


I'm planning on replacing it (after all, it's 12 years old), but thought I would see if there was a simple repair answer.


If you replaced it, what did you pick? 


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Joel with a classic!



Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S7.

-------- Original message --------
From: "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 2/21/18 10:38 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

 

Hanspeter, you can quit taking those crabby pills. They obviously work.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:26 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

LOL

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:39 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

 

 

Hanspeter, I have owned my Amel and been a member of this group for 11 years and never realized that this group was strictly a "technical exchange platform" thanks for enlightening me and the rest of the group  . OOPS , I guess technically , this was was a technical post. Please disregard , Sorry !

Pat

SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance. Does it deliver

 

Dear Mr.  Baileys and Danny

I don't like that you use this forum as an add and marketing platform. Insurance are different by countries. 

Mr. Baileys; you mentioned that we need an avocate at claim? My question ? who is paying the avocate ?

Looking forward that this platform remains as a technical exchange platform 

PS: there are lots of other social platforms to share individuels needs.

kr

Hanspeter

Tamango 2

SM16; Las Palmas



Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 19.02.2018 um 20:49 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi All,

I received a personal email asking the name of the insurance company that disappointed us. It was Haven Knox Johnson, a Lloyds of London Company. The broker was The Marina Shop of Opua NZ and the Assessor was Steve Lott of New Zealand.

We have a new Broker, Baileys Insurance brokers of Auckland NZ, and a new insurer recommended by them. QBE Marine insurers. Steve Bailey the principal of the company is a sailor himself. As always until you have a claim you don't know the quality of the insurer and we have yet to have a claim under this cover.(and hope we never will) However we have confidence in our broker.

Regards

Danny 

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 February 2018 at 07:24 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi all,

Further to my below, no one said no so I copy here an email from my new broker sent after he read some of the posts.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Hi all,

I’ve been reading some of the comments posted by many of you about pleasure craft insurance policies.

I feel very sorry for you, and agreed it is not a good situation at all – but it shouldn’t be that way, and sounds like you’ve not been getting the right advice or support here.  We always use “agreed value” policies and they have worked for us and our clients as they should, many, many times.  One just less than a week ago in fact.

What you need is an advocate at claim time to ensure the claims process goes as it should – in addition t o ensuring your policy is set up correctly.  This is where an experienced Marine Insurance Broker comes in – well, a good one anyway!

There are also certain Insurance Companies to avoid out there.  Their policies aren’t worth the paper they are written on.

Sincere regards,

Neil Bailey

Director

Bailey Insurance Brokers

Auckland

New Zealand

On 16 February 2018 at 14:27 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 60;

 

Hi all,

As I said before I was burned badly by an insurance company. I changed brokers and have a "agreed value" policy with my new broker.

I forwarded him some of the correspondence because, firstly I wanted him to know what was going on and secondly to see what he said regarding my "agreed Value" policy. He has sent me a response which is helpful. He does have a good name. Is it OK for me to share his reply with the group. I'm not trying to promote him, just to add something that may be helpful.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

Mangonui 
New Zealand

 

On 16 February 2018 at 06:42 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Alexandre, Trust me, I for one will reread my policy with a more critical eye. Its disgusting how an insurance company would look for any excuse , even an invalid one to escape their responsibly .. I will guarantee that the vast majority of boaters are not aware of these practices, and believe that they have an umbrella of protection , that in reality does not exist. I urge you guys to find a way to tell your story to a wider audience. 

Pat 

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 9:11 a m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye

 

Hello Pat,

I totally agree with you Danny.

This is why my lawyer said it was a rip off to start with.
You are paying in good faith a higher premium thinking you are covered, but you are not.

I URGE everybody to read their insurance policies.
Most of you probably never even receive it (I had to ask for mine).

I think as a boating community, if we group ourselves we have a way to make things better.

Example on my insurance policy it says in case of a name storm approaching you have to:
remove anything that offers wind resistance which is: bimini, sails, lazy bags, blade of wind turbine, dinghy, etc. these items must be removed and store inside the boat. As Rafael tragically find out, this also include barbecues... That is why they say “anything” even if not listed....
Then it says the boom must be attached to the deck.
Then you have to close all unnecessary sea cock.
Valuable objects such as electronics must be disassembled and store on land.....
Then you have to “triple” the number of normal fenders, dock lines, etc.
IF YOU FAIL TO DO ANY OF THESE, the policy is canceled.

I really implore Rafael to tell his story…

Last week I met a french guy, so we chat, he used to be hired by insurance adjuster to find “anything” on a boat. He said, if there was a fire, the insurance adjuster would hire him to find any electrical welding (if I u nderstood properly), as soon as they find 1, even if it is at the top of the mast, the policy is void and they don’t reimburse.
He said he was disgusted and like many sailor I met now simply has liability.

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/15/18, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups...com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying goodbye
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, February 15, 2018, 7:15 AM


 









The
insurance company based the premiums on the Agreed value ,
and then only will pay out based on what they determine the
market value is, because they don't want you to be
enriched ! Did they not e nrich themselves by charging
excessive premiums for coverage they probably never intended
to honor ? This kind of information needs to get out to the
entire boating community through the internet and sailing
magazines . I encourage anyone treated unfairly to relate
their story , if  it results in lost business maybe they
will get the message. If 10% of those covered by a company
cancelled and took their business elsewhere and gave the
reason why , it would get their attention. Its sad to lose a
dream .
Pat 

SM Shenanigans






-----Original
Message-----

From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>

To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtown

Sent: Thu, Feb 15, 2018 6:34 am

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owne rs] Amel owner saying
goodbye








 













Good morning Danny,





I also have an “agreed” policy (from Helvetia through de
Lassee), BUT as my lawyer told me, this is a rip off as, it
is written on the contrat that the insurance has the right
to challenge the “agreed value” and pay only the market
value because the owner would “enrich” himself if case
of a total loss. (meaning that: if you are reimburse the
agreed value, you would “enrich” yourself getting more
than the market value).


That is what my insurance is doing, so my lawyer ask me to
compile all the invoices for the last 5 years to prove that
1) vessel was better equipped justifying the agreed value,
2) vessel was better maintained (justifying the higher
agreed value) 3) that my expens es were higher than the
average, etc...


So now I have my own adjuster writing a full report with all
the details.


We have been working since November on this.





So for anyone thinking they are safely covered with an
“agreed” value, please read your entire policy. If you
want I can show the specific section where what I just
explained is written. That will be in french in my case.





Sincerely, Alexandre





--------------------------------------------


On Wed, 2/14/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying
goodbye


To: amely achtowners@...


Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 10:51 PM








 
































I too have been raped by insurers in the past. I now


have a policy with an "agreed Value" . I hope
that


would help in the case of a write off.DannySM


299 Ocean PearlOn 15 February 2018 at 11:19


"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...


[amelyachtowners]"


<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:





  Dear Rafael,








I think you need to tell


the Group “your” story about the insu rance.





We have the same insurance


Helvetia contracted through de Lassee and I really think


every Amel owner should know the ridiculous excuses they


used to remove 30% of the value of your boat.





It is not “my” place to


tell everybody the way they treated “you”, but I
will


write mine with all the details when it will be settled.






I am definitely sorry that


your vessel was destroy soon after you purchased her and
did


not had the joy of sailing her.





Sincerely, Alexandre








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On Wed, 2/14/18, rcavie


<no_reply@...>
wrote:





Subject: [Am el Yacht Owners] Amel owner saying


goodbye


To:


amelyachtowners@...


Date:


Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 1:57 PM








 





























Dear


friends AMEL ownersProbably this


will be


the last email that I send and I will withdraw from


the group. The reason is that Hurricane


Irma


destroyed my Amel SM2k and it will be


impossible for me to


recover it.The


insurance will only pay a fraction of


what


it would cost me to buy an equal one. Deductibles and


other reasons.This situation not only


destroyed my< br>

ship but my dreams. My dreams


of living on board with my


wife, my dreams


of crossing the Atlantic to the East, my





dreams of sailing the Mediterranean and perhaps other


seas


and finally returning to the beautiful


South of


Chile.


In this


group I gained friends


and knowledge and


for that, I thank each and every one of





you, especially Eric and Alexandre who from the
beginning


helped me with their advice.





If


you sail to Chile you will have a


friend


here.Greetings to





all


Fair


windsRafaelSM2k


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Change of seals for gearbox oil change

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Peter,

Gian Piero Staffa lives in Antigua and has a ’54.  If you need his email, I’ll send you his perso email addy.

Tell him I sent you…

Kind regards 

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY ELEUTHERA, SM 007

On 21 Feb 2018, at 10:47, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Fellow Amelians,

Does any one know of a mechanic experienced enough to undertake change of prop gearbox seals on Amel 54 in Antigua. 

Peter Forbes
00447836 209730
Carango
Amel 54 
St Lucia en route to Antigua