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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anyone have their Amel on the hard? (or is willing to dive) :) Need to verify something on the rudder. [1 Attachment]

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Thanks Joel! Very helpful. I will try to take photos next time I'm at the boat. 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anyone have their Amel on the hard? (or is willing to dive) :) Need to verify something on the rudder. [1 Attachment]

amelforme
 

Your rudder is entirely hollow, top to bottom. When it came out of the water seawater should have flowed out of it from the bottom center like a cow peeing on a flat rock. 
It is designed that way on purpose. Yes you can see inside at the area you mention. A close up photo on both sides of the rudder would be useful to determine if this area is normal or more open than designed by damage or defect.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:11 PM, cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


If anyone has their boat out of the water or is willing to dive it for me :), I was hoping to get some info on whether the rudder is sealed around the middle bearing area.


I have a 54 but I believe the SM uses the same rudder.


I've attached a photo to show exactly what I am trying to figure out. At the part of the rudder by the center bearing, if you look aft from the front edge of the rudder, is the rudder sealed in this area? 


Put another way, can you see into the rudder cavity if you look here?


Thanks in advance!


-Scott

A54 Tengah




Anyone have their Amel on the hard? (or is willing to dive) :) Need to verify something on the rudder.

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Hi all,


If anyone has their boat out of the water or is willing to dive it for me :), I was hoping to get some info on whether the rudder is sealed around the middle bearing area.


I have a 54 but I believe the SM uses the same rudder.


I've attached a photo to show exactly what I am trying to figure out. At the part of the rudder by the center bearing, if you look aft from the front edge of the rudder, is the rudder sealed in this area? 


Put another way, can you see into the rudder cavity if you look here?


Thanks in advance!


-Scott

A54 Tengah




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom crutch?

Ryan Meador
 

The preventer can certainly function as a kicker or vang, but its primary purpose isn't to create a vertical force on the boom, but a horizontal one: it prevents an accidental, uncontrolled gybe.  It is the pair of blocks with the integrated cam cleat shown in some of the photos in this thread.  I suspect we're talking about the same thing.

For what it's worth, I use bungee cords from my booms to the standing rigging (usually mizzen to port and main to starboard) to prevent them from swinging around.  That lets me ease the sheet considerably more than if I used the sheet alone or the preventer.  I've noticed that having too much downward force on the mizzen boom causes the topping lift to take most of the load that should be on the backstays, so they get too floppy.  Given what Olivier told me when he visited my boat, I believe my backstay tension is approximately correct.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:15 AM smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Steve, Mark, Alan and Dennis

Thanks to you all for your help 
It seems their is a strong consensus here!
You guys mention the ‘preventer’
I think we call this the kicker in the UK
But worth checking I’m not missing the point here!?
All the very best
Miles


On 6 Sep 2018, at 13:09, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Much as Alan suggested, we too keep the boom under tension when not in use. We have added attachment loops as shown in the photos to keep everything out of the way of the side decks. The Main sits centered and the mizzen goes to port. 





Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Boothbay, Maine



On Sep 6, 2018, at 5:56 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We just use the preventer/vang on each boom to hold them steady tensioned against the sheet...the mizzen is the real issue...the car goes tack, tack, tack all night long if you don't tie it down

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: House Battery Balancing and Farewell for 2018

Mark Erdos
 

“To effectively maintain equal charging of series connected batteries you need a battery balancer for each set.”

 

The instructions show one balancer for the entire set of batteries.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: House Battery Balancing and Farewell for 2018

 

 

To effectively maintain equal charging of series connected batteries you need a battery balancer for each set.

 

 

We have 3 paralleled sets of 4 x 6V AGM batteries in series.

We don't have this Victron balancer, its specifically for 2 x 12 V batteries. 

Our balancers are designed for 4 batteries in series.

We too had the unequal charging issue which resulted in batteries being replaced under warranty 2 years ago.

Since installing the balancers we have had no issues at all.

 

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Boom crutch? [4 Attachments]

smiles bernard
 

Steve, Mark, Alan and Dennis
Thanks to you all for your help 
It seems their is a strong consensus here!
You guys mention the ‘preventer’
I think we call this the kicker in the UK
But worth checking I’m not missing the point here!?
All the very best
Miles


On 6 Sep 2018, at 13:09, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Much as Alan suggested, we too keep the boom under tension when not in use. We have added attachment loops as shown in the photos to keep everything out of the way of the side decks. The Main sits centered and the mizzen goes to port. 





Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Boothbay, Maine



On Sep 6, 2018, at 5:56 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We just use the preventer/vang on each boom to hold them steady tensioned against the sheet...the mizzen is the real issue...the car goes tack, tack, tack all night long if you don't tie it down

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Ryan,

The black bushing is originally glued with polyurethane caulking compound. Silicone is not strong enough to resist the torque of the winch handle (nozzle).
The nozzle is attached to the drive shaft with an Allen machine screw (in the center). The connection between both parts is slot type.

Good luck.

Olivier

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 6 sept. 2018 à 17:10, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> a écrit :

 

All,

My recollection is that Olivier commented on this issue before and suggested silicone sealant (RTV).

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:52 AM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

In the photo it looks as though there are threads at the end of the outer housing by the gear?  if so could they be stripped?

Just an observation
Cheers
Courtney
svTrippin


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From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2018 5:09 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

 
Hi Ryan,
I don't really know what the answer is, but we had problems with that black ring rotating and becoming loose until I used 5200 to stick it to the housing.
It's possible that the black ring is what holds it all together i.e.keeps the shaft in place.

Olivier would know for sure.....Olivier ?

Cheers

Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchorchain, length

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,
When we set off back at the turn of the century (2000), Pam Wall, then at West Marine, suggested 12 plait for a supplemental rode, which is far easier to manage than 3-strand.  What a great suggestion it turned out to be - you can just flake it into the bow locker and it never tangles or forms hockles. Ours is 3/4" which would probably do just fine for your SM at 21K lbs breaking strength. Far better than 3-strand. Easy to do a chain-to-rope splice, too. 
C U in St Michaels next month!
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :

I have100m which has been more than enough for the East Coast USA and Caribbean.  Once in the S Pacific will be routinely anchoring in 35-45m.  You can’t put enough chain for that in your bow locker, too heavy.  I will add another 80m of one inch nylon three-strand for those deep anchorage’s, assuming I can make a rode-to-chain splice that will go through the hawsepipe.  If it won’t,  I’ll try 7/8” nylon rode, but don’t think I’d be comfortable with anything less than that.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Arthur Sundqvist arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

What is the best length for the standard anchor chain 10mm ISO for the Super Maramu?

Is 125m ok or is that to much???
And swivel or no swivel??

arthur
SM 435  Vista  





ARTHUR SUNDQVIST 
Timmermansgränd 3
11865 Stockholm
Sweden

Arthur Sundqvist






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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchorchain, length

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

Very good idea. Let me know how it goes and if it fits through the hawsepipe.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchorchain, length

 

 

I have100m which has been more than enough for the East Coast USA and Caribbean.  Once in the S Pacific will be routinely anchoring in 35-45m.  You can’t put enough chain for that in your bow locker, too heavy.  I will add another 80m of one inch nylon three-strand for those deep anchorage’s, assuming I can make a rode-to-chain splice that will go through the hawsepipe.  If it won’t,  I’ll try 7/8” nylon rode, but don’t think I’d be comfortable with anything less than that.

Kent

S/V Kristy

SM 243


On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Arthur Sundqvist arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

What is the best length for the standard anchor chain 10mm ISO for the Super Maramu?

Is 125m ok or is that to much???

And swivel or no swivel??

 

arthur

SM 435  Vista  

 

 

 

 

 

ARTHUR SUNDQVIST 
Timmermansgränd 3
11865 Stockholm
Sweden

Arthur Sundqvist






Ring    +46-(0)708-13 27 95
Maila    arthur@...
Besök   http://www.arthur-sundqvist.se
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchorchain, length

karkauai
 

I have100m which has been more than enough for the East Coast USA and Caribbean.  Once in the S Pacific will be routinely anchoring in 35-45m.  You can’t put enough chain for that in your bow locker, too heavy.  I will add another 80m of one inch nylon three-strand for those deep anchorage’s, assuming I can make a rode-to-chain splice that will go through the hawsepipe.  If it won’t,  I’ll try 7/8” nylon rode, but don’t think I’d be comfortable with anything less than that.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:22 AM, Arthur Sundqvist arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

What is the best length for the standard anchor chain 10mm ISO for the Super Maramu?

Is 125m ok or is that to much???
And swivel or no swivel??

arthur
SM 435  Vista  





ARTHUR SUNDQVIST 
Timmermansgränd 3
11865 Stockholm
Sweden

Arthur Sundqvist






Ring    +46-(0)708-13 27 95
Maila    arthur@...
Besök   http://www.arthur-sundqvist.se
Skype   artsunkist




Re: Boom crutch?

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Miles,

I have preventers for both main and mizzen boom.  The preventers run from the sheet purchase on the boom to a shackle installed on the chain plates (carabiners on both ends).  In addition to keeping the booms in position on a downwind run in light wind and sloppy seas, they also help keeping the booms out wide when I have flopper-stoppers hanging from the boom ends.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchorchain, length

 

Arthur,

Your SM originally had about 75-80 meters of ISO 10mm chain. Unless you have considerable weight in the "deck sail storage lockers," you can carry 100 meters of 10mm galvanized chain. I would not recommend 130 meters because of the weight, and 100 meters will allow you to anchor in a 30 meter depth...remember as the depth increases, the amount of required scope decreases. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:25 AM Arthur Sundqvist arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

What is the best length for the standard anchor chain 10mm ISO for the Super Maramu?

Is 125m ok or is that to much???
And swivel or no swivel??

arthur
SM 435  Vista  





ARTHUR SUNDQVIST 
Timmermansgränd 3
11865 Stockholm
Sweden

Arthur Sundqvist






Ring    +46-(0)708-13 27 95
Maila    arthur@...
Besök   http://www.arthur-sundqvist.se
Skype   artsunkist




Re: Anchorchain, length

Paul Osterberg
 

We had 100m and used the full length a few times, and a few times we wished we have had more. When we upgraded we bought a full drum 400 get or 120 meter.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Anchorchain, length

Arthur Sundqvist
 

What is the best length for the standard anchor chain 10mm ISO for the Super Maramu?
Is 125m ok or is that to much???
And swivel or no swivel??

arthur
SM 435  Vista  





ARTHUR SUNDQVIST 
Timmermansgränd 3
11865 Stockholm
Sweden

Arthur Sundqvist






Ring    +46-(0)708-13 27 95
Maila    arthur@...
Besök   http://www.arthur-sundqvist.se
Skype   artsunkist




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

 

All,

My recollection is that Olivier commented on this issue before and suggested silicone sealant (RTV).

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:52 AM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

In the photo it looks as though there are threads at the end of the outer housing by the gear?  if so could they be stripped?

Just an observation
Cheers
Courtney
svTrippin


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2018 5:09 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

 
Hi Ryan,
I don't really know what the answer is, but we had problems with that black ring rotating and becoming loose until I used 5200 to stick it to the housing.
It's possible that the black ring is what holds it all together i.e.keeps the shaft in place.

Olivier would know for sure.....Olivier ?

Cheers

Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Ryan Meador
 

The threads appear to be intact on this piece, but it's possible they're stripped on the other side still in the mast.  It's very hard to see in there.  I can't think of any way of applying enough torque to screw it back in, though, since the inner part rotates independently of the outer part, and only the inner part is accessible when it's inside the hole in the mast.  Hopefully Amel has a diagram for me.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 10:52 AM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

In the photo it looks as though there are threads at the end of the outer housing by the gear?  if so could they be stripped?

Just an observation
Cheers
Courtney
svTrippin


-----Original Message-----
From: divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 6, 2018 5:09 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

 
Hi Ryan,
I don't really know what the answer is, but we had problems with that black ring rotating and becoming loose until I used 5200 to stick it to the housing.
It's possible that the black ring is what holds it all together i.e.keeps the shaft in place.

Olivier would know for sure.....Olivier ?

Cheers

Alan 
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail) [1 Attachment]

Kelly Ran
 

Hey Mike,

No pricing info on the printed sheaves...we are getting it done at friend pricing (free), and I don't think it's worth pricing out until we have a successful print and many hours of testing on the boat. I imagine it is cheaper to get this machined, and cheaper still to buy from Amel. (Machine shops around here charge >$100/hr. I've heard of >$60/hr in other locations. And that's not including material costs. I'd estimate 1hr for CAM/setup and another couple of hours for actual machining. Seems like Bill Kinney would have more info on this.)

Best,
Kelly + Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston

On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 9:16 AM 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Mike Ondra included below]

Below is what I received today from Maud re: the “Toe Pulley” sheave. Seems like she will be ordering, or has, from their supplier.

So for those that are interested, it would seem they will be available from Amel soon(?). May be opportune to get orders in for this batch.

Per attached quotation and consistent with Bill Kinney’s post they will be €240 each plus VAT and shipping.

Has there been any pricing on the “printed” and/or stainless sheaves?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

 

Dear Mike,

Now that the price estimate is settled I will send you a short message to let you know when they arrive.

These pulleys are only made on our specific demand and for our boats so the delivery time is usually several weeks.

Have a nice afternoon,

With my kindest regards,

 

Maud TOUILLET

Service clientèle/Customer service

sav@...

Phone : +33 (0) 546 55 00 75

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

Ryan Meador
 

My black ring was held securely in place.  The previous owner used silicone, and I had to do some prying to get it out.  The inner mechanism (what I called the barrel) popped forwards somewhat even with the black ring in place, which is what caused the gears to no longer mesh.

I will try contacting Amel.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 7:44 AM 'Mike Ondra' mdondra@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,

Aletes also suffered from the black ring working itself loose. We drilled and tapped a ¼” hole on either side of the housing and installed set screws to secure the black ring in place.

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:08 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: mizzen furler failure

 

 

Hi Ryan,

I don't really know what the answer is, but we had problems with that black ring rotating and becoming loose until I used 5200 to stick it to the housing.

It's possible that the black ring is what holds it all together i.e.keeps the shaft in place.

 

Olivier would know for sure.....Olivier ?

 

Cheers

 

Alan 

Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boom crutch?

Mark Erdos
 

Use the preventer on the main boom (connected to the mizzen ballooner eye or either of the cabin top cleats) and tie the mizzen boom to the port mizzen backstay.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Boom crutch?

 

 

Hello there

So far at anchor I’ve been tying the main and mizzen booms to the side to prevent them slatting about when we roll

Does anyone have any other, more cunning solutions ?

I helped build a hard Bimini for my brother in laws catamaran a few months ago and we built in a chock for his boom to rest on. I wondered if anyone had considered adding something similar on the Amel hard dodger to rest the main boom into?

All the best

Miles
Maramu 162


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Toe pulley (headsail)

Mike Ondra
 

Below is what I received today from Maud re: the “Toe Pulley” sheave. Seems like she will be ordering, or has, from their supplier.

So for those that are interested, it would seem they will be available from Amel soon(?). May be opportune to get orders in for this batch.

Per attached quotation and consistent with Bill Kinney’s post they will be €240 each plus VAT and shipping.

Has there been any pricing on the “printed” and/or stainless sheaves?

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

 

Dear Mike,

Now that the price estimate is settled I will send you a short message to let you know when they arrive.

These pulleys are only made on our specific demand and for our boats so the delivery time is usually several weeks.

Have a nice afternoon,

With my kindest regards,

 

Maud TOUILLET

Service clientèle/Customer service

sav@...

Phone : +33 (0) 546 55 00 75

 

 

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