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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

Niklas Glöggler
 

Thank you Bill

Skickat från min iPhone

7 apr. 2018 kl. 19:44 skrev greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

56 inches of chain would be enough for my installation.  That would give a little bit extra to be sure as Eric suggests.  


Of course, that assumes your installation is exactly the same as mine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Big Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Niklas, 

You just buy a length of chain a little longer than you think you need and a master (removable link).

You then drape the chain over the sprockets and mark it to the length needed.

Remove the extra links and join the chain with a new master link.

 

I assume you already have a rotary autopilot. You can remove the master link and measure the chain.

If it is a new installation just order more chain than is needed and do as I have written above.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

 

 

Hello

Is there any that knows the length of the chain for the autopilot (rotary drive)

 

Niklas SY Nipe SM2K#333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

Niklas Glöggler
 

Thank you very much Eric

/Niklas 

Skickat från min iPhone

7 apr. 2018 kl. 19:29 skrev 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Niklas, 

You just buy a length of chain a little longer than you think you need and a master (removable link).

You then drape the chain over the sprockets and mark it to the length needed.

Remove the extra links and join the chain with a new master link.

 

I assume you already have a rotary autopilot. You can remove the master link and measure the chain.

If it is a new installation just order more chain than is needed and do as I have written above.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

 

 

Hello

Is there any that knows the length of the chain for the autopilot (rotary drive)

 

Niklas SY Nipe SM2K#333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

greatketch@...
 

56 inches of chain would be enough for my installation.  That would give a little bit extra to be sure as Eric suggests.  

Of course, that assumes your installation is exactly the same as mine.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Big Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Niklas, 

You just buy a length of chain a little longer than you think you need and a master (removable link).

You then drape the chain over the sprockets and mark it to the length needed.

Remove the extra links and join the chain with a new master link.

 

I assume you already have a rotary autopilot. You can remove the master link and measure the chain.

If it is a new installation just order more chain than is needed and do as I have written above.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

 

 

Hello

Is there any that knows the length of the chain for the autopilot (rotary drive)

 

Niklas SY Nipe SM2K#333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

eric freedman
 

Niklas, 

You just buy a length of chain a little longer than you think you need and a master (removable link).

You then drape the chain over the sprockets and mark it to the length needed.

Remove the extra links and join the chain with a new master link.

 

I assume you already have a rotary autopilot. You can remove the master link and measure the chain.

If it is a new installation just order more chain than is needed and do as I have written above.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 11:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Autopilot chain

 

 

Hello

Is there any that knows the length of the chain for the autopilot (rotary drive)

 

Niklas SY Nipe SM2K#333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: St Martin

SV Perigee
 

Hi Porter,

Sorry - dropped by, but missed you.  Hope things are going well in Martinique.

Our standing rigging has arrived - finally.  If was made-up and shipped by ACMO in good time, but we opted to piggy-back our pallet into a container, that was scheduled for a good connection by sea-freight from Z-Spars in France to FKG here in SXM.  We saved a stack of money over air-freight (3 days), but somehow the container was delayed out of France by 4 weeks . . .   

Anyway, after we finish here, we will be skipping down-chain, with the mandatory stop in AMEL HQ in MQ - for a little AMEL-specific spares & service, and maybe a rig-check.  Still pondering whether to service the Genoa Furler there.

Anyway, hope to catch up somewhere down the track.

Best,

David
Perigee, SM#396
Back in St Maarten, after Easter in St Baarths



On Thursday, 22 March 2018, 7:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
David!  
Hello. We’re over in the IWW Marina. Provisioning and deciding on new sails. 
Looks like you’re wearing out your Visa card!!
Went to FKG yesterday. Looks like a serious outfit!!

What wind gen are you thinking?  

Please stop by if you’re  around. 
We leave probably sat or Sunday for Martinique and a haulout Tuesday. 

What are your Sailing plans after the refit?
Good to hear from you

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:01 PM, dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Porter, 

Where are you?  We are in anchored the lagoon, Dutch side, awaiting our standing rigging, which we are doing with FKG.  Plus a host of other projects kicking in while the masts will be off (wind gen on mizzen, VHF & AIS aerials,  N2K wind sensors, cabling, new A/P, and so on).

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396



Autopilot chain

Niklas Glöggler
 

Hello

Is there any that knows the length of the chain for the autopilot (rotary drive)


Niklas SY Nipe SM2K#333


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Paul,

Our feedback on our Watt&Sea hydrogenerators (with 900W of solar):

1. Needs an appropriate mounting bracket for A54 and probably other amel sterns. Needs to be strong, other users have reported broken/bent brackets (see point 4 below).

2. On the 600W model with standard prop, we found the output to be roughly 0.xA@5kn- , 4A@6kn, 7.5A@7kn, 12A@8kn (24V). 
So needs to go fast to be efficient. There are bigger props for better output at lower speeds. 

3. The drag is probably more than advertised, we think a quarter of a knot. 

4. In the Atlantic crossing to tue Caribbean, Sargasso are omnipresent in the second part. Too much of a pain to clear them from the props every 15mins, so a bit useless there...

5. Needs a bit more electronics than standard, with a relay to short the hydrogen when not needed (say battery full, or motoring in a calm, or reducing the drag when going too slow or simply managing the various energy sources onboard) as it's a bit of a mission to raise it (think night, middle of the ocean, shorthanded crew, big swell, etc...).

6. Only useful when running (fast). Obvious, but we don't run that often for long periods. Our cutoff is propably 36hr+ passage. Otherwise the alternator produces enough during periods of motoring and we can recover the rest during the following sunny days with solar. Plus we use the generator full on at least once a week for 3hrs to keep it and the 220V consumers on their toes. 

7. The retaining pin is a bit of a joke. Stupid,  but it slides out halfway and bents or breaks after a while. Without it, the blocker on the lowering system is not enough to maintain the hydro down. The pin needs a simple retainer like at the end of the spinaker pole. 


In short we loved hydrogeneration in the first part of the Atlantic crossing where it produced more energy than we could consume. Won't be very useful until we leave the Caribbean. To be considered when making the investment. 


Hope that helps

Thomas
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Saint Martin, FWI


On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 at 08:53, JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,
A couple questions if you don't mind.
How did you mount the wind generator? What type is it? Have you heard of the d400, and any thoughts on it? How large, and where did you mount your solar panels?  9 years is a long time, and I have to assume that improvements have been made on the technology of both the wind and solar components. With that said, you seem to have a great combination that have got the job done with flying colors! That is amazing battery life, and speaks to an opitimal generating efficiency. Bravo!
Best Regards,

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14




On Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 05:19 AM, simms simms@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hi Paul. I'll repeat my thoughts from past posts. We have had for 9 years a super wind generator on top of the mizzen.  mast. There is no vibration and no noise. It cannot be heard. It has mechanially auto feathering blades and a stop switch which because of the auto feathering never needs to be used in strong winds. It never has to be used because of the sensibilities of night wstch crew or marins neighbours because you cant hear it.
I agree. Under 10 knots apparent wind the charge is slight. 15 knots good. 20 knots plus terrific. We only have 130 watts solar plus the 350 watt wind generator. I like having my bases covered. Sunny and windless ok. Windy and cloudy. Ok. Windy and sunny. Wow. Hiwever it was never my desire to be able to run all my high draw systems on these secondary chargers. I did not want to cross oceeans relying on diesel engines for my electrcity. Mid ocean storms can go for days with heavy cloud cover. Hence the wind gen. If i lost diesel generation i wanted to be able to keep my esential eletronics going. I could live without air con etc. As an aside. In my experience electric auto helms are not big current users. Radar is as are inverters. Auto helms should not be set too finely. A little bit of wandering does no harm and use a lot less juice.
Lastly I attribute the 8 years I got from.my flooded lead acid batteries to the combination of wind generator and solar. I thrashed them at times but mostly that constant charge looked after them
Regards
Danny
AM 299
Ocean Pearl



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 7/04/18 01:38 (GMT+12:00)
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

Paul,

 

We have an Air Breeze generator. It is okay, not great.

 

It is one of the quietest systems on the market but can still be a little annoying. One of the best features is it can be turned off and locked with an installed switch. This is also a big plus when at dock.

 

When on the hook, we turn it on at night. It will add enough charge to the batteries (15+ knts) that we do not have to start the genset in the morning. Solar usually picks up enough after 10am. We run all three refrigeration units, instruments (anchor alarm) and fans at night. During the day, it is off as we have ample solar. In the Caribbean, I can count on one hand the days where our solar set up has not been adequate to charge the batteries and offset our power needs due to cloudy conditions.

 

On overnight passages, it will be on at night unless the person on watch gets tired of hearing it. No matter what, we always seem to have to run the genset for about a hour at night when sailing due to instruments, radar and auto-pilot etc. The wind generator doesn’t produce enough to offset this usage, even in stronger winds.

 

Hope this helps confirm your hesitation on a wind generator.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 6:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

greatketch@...
 

For what it's worth, while the Pacific doesn't have Sargasso weed like the southern North Atlantic, costal areas can have lots of floating kelp. LOTS.

I do not remember our Duo-gen prop ever tangling with anything (other than a line I dropped overboard).  Certainly it was not a chronic problem.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas
 


---In amelyachtowners@..., <parkianj@...> wrote :

Jeff
The Maramu early SM and Santorin were fitted with the prop shaft alternator. It is wired so there is a separate ‘start’ key to excite the shaft alternator. The key is on a welded ring with the engine start key to prevent you running both together. Stop engine and remove key, leave in neutral (fixed3 blade prop), start the prop shaft alternator. Green light by switch shows it is charging.
To stop switch off and remove prop shaft alternator key. The green light will stay on indicating it is still producing charge. Put gear in reverse to stop prop and alternator, green light now out. Start engine.

If you are able to retro fit one I guess that extra wiring circuit is essential.

Don’t discount the transom mounted generator. I don’t know enough about them, but others recommend them. My buddy boat had the Aquagen towed generator. The length of the tow line gathered the Sargasso weed the same as a fishing line. He also lost a spinner to a large fish on a previous occasion!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

Ian Park
 

Jeff
The Maramu early SM and Santorin were fitted with the prop shaft alternator. It is wired so there is a separate ‘start’ key to excite the shaft alternator. The key is on a welded ring with the engine start key to prevent you running both together. Stop engine and remove key, leave in neutral (fixed3 blade prop), start the prop shaft alternator. Green light by switch shows it is charging.
To stop switch off and remove prop shaft alternator key. The green light will stay on indicating it is still producing charge. Put gear in reverse to stop prop and alternator, green light now out. Start engine.

If you are able to retro fit one I guess that extra wiring circuit is essential.

Don’t discount the transom mounted generator. I don’t know enough about them, but others recommend them. My buddy boat had the Aquagen towed generator. The length of the tow line gathered the Sargasso weed the same as a fishing line. He also lost a spinner to a large fish on a previous occasion!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Paul. I'll repeat my thoughts from past posts. We have had for 9 years a super wind generator on top of the mizzen.  mast. There is no vibration and no noise. It cannot be heard. It has mechanially auto feathering blades and a stop switch which because of the auto feathering never needs to be used in strong winds. It never has to be used because of the sensibilities of night wstch crew or marins neighbours because you cant hear it.
I agree. Under 10 knots apparent wind the charge is slight. 15 knots good. 20 knots plus terrific. We only have 130 watts solar plus the 350 watt wind generator. I like having my bases covered. Sunny and windless ok. Windy and cloudy. Ok. Windy and sunny. Wow. Hiwever it was never my desire to be able to run all my high draw systems on these secondary chargers. I did not want to cross oceeans relying on diesel engines for my electrcity. Mid ocean storms can go for days with heavy cloud cover. Hence the wind gen. If i lost diesel generation i wanted to be able to keep my esential eletronics going. I could live without air con etc. As an aside. In my experience electric auto helms are not big current users. Radar is as are inverters. Auto helms should not be set too finely. A little bit of wandering does no harm and use a lot less juice.
Lastly I attribute the 8 years I got from.my flooded lead acid batteries to the combination of wind generator and solar. I thrashed them at times but mostly that constant charge looked after them
Regards
Danny
AM 299
Ocean Pearl



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 7/04/18 01:38 (GMT+12:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

Paul,

 

We have an Air Breeze generator. It is okay, not great.

 

It is one of the quietest systems on the market but can still be a little annoying. One of the best features is it can be turned off and locked with an installed switch. This is also a big plus when at dock.

 

When on the hook, we turn it on at night. It will add enough charge to the batteries (15+ knts) that we do not have to start the genset in the morning. Solar usually picks up enough after 10am. We run all three refrigeration units, instruments (anchor alarm) and fans at night. During the day, it is off as we have ample solar. In the Caribbean, I can count on one hand the days where our solar set up has not been adequate to charge the batteries and offset our power needs due to cloudy conditions.

 

On overnight passages, it will be on at night unless the person on watch gets tired of hearing it. No matter what, we always seem to have to run the genset for about a hour at night when sailing due to instruments, radar and auto-pilot etc. The wind generator doesn’t produce enough to offset this usage, even in stronger winds.

 

Hope this helps confirm your hesitation on a wind generator.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 6:32 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

 

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?

 

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

James Alton
 

Ian,

   Can you comment on the output of the Amel shaft generator on your boat at various speeds?  My boat has the generator as well but the previous owner removed the drive pulley on the back of the transmission to install a flex coupling.  I plan to have the generator operational for our Transatlantic in 2020.

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Apr 6, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Agree with a John. The Santorin also has the prop shaft alternator and it is a gem. From talking to other cruisers en route there seems to be general agreement that maintenance free daytime solar just beats 24 hour wind generation.  
Just a comment to add - our Atlantic crossing buddies had a towed generator which just collected Sargasso weed so had to be ‘suspended’. The prop on an Amel isn’t affected because of its depth, keel protection and size. Any water generator needs to be easily accessible to free it from flotsam.

Ian 

Ocean Hobo SN 96. Antigua



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

Ian Park
 

Agree with a John. The Santorin also has the prop shaft alternator and it is a gem. From talking to other cruisers en route there seems to be general agreement that maintenance free daytime solar just beats 24 hour wind generation.
Just a comment to add - our Atlantic crossing buddies had a towed generator which just collected Sargasso weed so had to be ‘suspended’. The prop on an Amel isn’t affected because of its depth, keel protection and size. Any water generator needs to be easily accessible to free it from flotsam.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96. Antigua


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

Porter McRoberts
 

Mark!
With great appreciation. 
Porter


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Apr 6, 2018, at 9:49 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

Contact Juan Ho, General Manager at Shelter Bay Marina to arrange to have the sails delivered there: http://www.shelterbaymarina.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

 

 

Thanks James. 

I will be certain to let everyone know!  

 

Another question for the forum

 

 

I am ordering sails from Q sails. 

 

Has anyone received shipments in Panama?  Can anyone confirm they are indeed tax free?

 

Where is the best place to receive shipments in Panama?  

 

Always appreciated. 

 

Porter McRoberts

S/V Ibis  54-152

Martinique. 

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:51 AM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter - Some on this forum, including myself, will be very interested to hear what you find out when you apply for your visas in Panama. We would like to pursue a similar itinerary eventually. 

 

Thank you for the posts. 

James

Soteria 

SM 347


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Steve. All excellent points. 

I think we’ll know if we get the visa while in Panama, If not. We’ll then delay on the American continent. 

We’ve also considered the gambier islands for part of the time as well. Less rolly. Further south and outside the cyclone belt. Less heat. 
So it seems. 

 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

 

Porter

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

 

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

 

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

 

Regards,

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

KoOlina, Hawaii


On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

 

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.

We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

 

It is based on 3 assumptions:

 

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.

2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.

 and the third:

 

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

 

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.

Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

 

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

 

Very much appreciated!

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152

Martinique

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Posted by: "Mark Erdos" <mcerdos@...>


Re: My first bow thruster service...

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Mike,
You can get the O rings and Neoprene seals in Ft Lauderdale at Florida Bearings - A Kaman Company; 2686 SW 36th St; 954-462-0825 (they've moved from Broward Ave).

O rings go by ID and CS (Cross Sectional Diameter) so your 78 X 3 would have an 84mm OD. Size charts show it as a 3.0X78.  US sizing is different and a close match would be a Size 151 at 2.62mm X 75.87mm.

Good luck with it.  
Craig Briggs SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <svtrilogy53@...> wrote :

Hi Bill,

I'm also servicing my bow thruster for the first time. Wondering how yours went and whether you decided to use RTV everywhere? 

I'm also trying to figure out what the proper size is for the o-rings. Parts lists I've seen show 78 x 3 mm and 40 x 2.5 mm. Are the 78 and 40 the inner or outer diameters?

Also, any advice on where to find the 10mm neoprene seals? We're currently in the Fort Lauderdale area. Was thinking of getting a 10mm sheet and cutting seals from that.

Thanks,
Mike
SV Trilogy SM#23


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wind or Water generator

John Clark
 

Hi Paul,
   not sure if relevant,  but my 1990 SM came with a hydro generator on the shaft between the C-drive and transmission.  When we are above 4-5kts it carries all the load, at 7-8kts it will put out almost 20 amps if the batteries want a charge.   The previous owners ran it all the time and reported no issues with the transmission or C-drive.  I have run it when ever sailing and at least for the last 18 months/6000nm I have had no issues.

We did install an Emek arch with 630 watts of solar and at anchor it carries the load and on a good day will charge the batteries.  I run the genset for about an hour (using both  60 and 40amp charger ) until the battery is about 90-95% the solar tops it off during the day.

No sunshine pretty much ablates the solar.  A windmill with solar would be a good deal.  

One thought, you have to have the voltages of all your energy sources match or they will compete, for example, solar wants to complete charging at 27 volts, while the hydro generator tries to maintain 26.5 volts.  So the hydro drops out if there is solar, even though the battery could use the extra power. 

Regards,  John

SV Annie SM 37
Emerald Bay Marina Exuma
waiting for wind pointing at St Thomas.  


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 11:19 AM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Paul,


On my old boat I used the Duo-gen made by Eclectic Energy in the UK, also makers of the D-400 wind generator.  The two units share the same alternator, and wind turbine.  (By the way, if your dock neighbor buys a wind generator, be sure it is a D-400.  They are REALLY quiet, even when the wind is cranking.)

I was of two minds with that piece of kit.  As a water generator under sail, it was truly awesome.  It generated all the power we needed on passage, a steady 60 to 120 Watts, 24/7. Batteries were fully charged all the time. I think the lowest state of charge I saw in 19 days from Hawaii to California was 98%. It performed better than I had hoped.

As a wind generator it certainly performed to its published specifications, and was capable of occasionally really cranking out the amps, and it was more than acceptably quiet... but...

I was always disappointed with the amount energy produced.  Both in famously windy San Francisco Bay, and in Hawaii, where we were in the Pacific tradewinds, the amount of energy produced PER MONTH was a fraction of what I got from my solar cells, and I only had 350W of solar on that boat.  Of course, there were some afternoons with a steady 20-25 knots of wind where the wind generator just cranked out the amps and totally swamped the solar array.  On a day with 10-15 knots...  not so much.  From a (dollar installed cost) per (Watt-hour actually generated over the long run), the wind generator was a very poor second to the solar installation.

Now, think about those numbers if you are considering using a wind generator to make power while sailing.  If  you are sailing close hauled, 20-25 knots of steady, apparent wind is not that unusual.  If you are sailing downwind, that never happens in anything short of nearly a full gale.

Certainly, the Duo-gen wind generator performance was hampered--a little--by not being very high off the water, and the power train certainly soaked up a little of the energy, but if it made twice the power I would have still have considered it to be of marginal utility.  It seems the manufacturer agreed, and now sells essentially the same system as a water-only generator. (The "Sail-gen")

I don't see where the design of the wind generator could have changed my conclusion. I haven't yet seen specifications on a wind generator that make me run out to figure out the best place to mount it.  

Other people have come to different conclusions.  They might use their boats differently, or in different places.  Maybe they are satisfied with the one day a month when it is windy and cloudy so the wind generator pays its keep. Maybe they need more power, don't have room for more solar, and the cost per Watt-hr is acceptable to them.  They might be more impressed with seeing the wind generator make 30 amps in a gust than in actually integrating the amount of power it made over the whole of last month. 

Now, that boat was not an AMEL SM.  It was only 40 feet. So it was slower (6 knots typical, 7.4 tops) and was also a much less power intensive boat.  Our typical power usage was about 50% of what we use on our AMEL.  (1700 W-hrs vs 3600 W-hrs).

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas




Re: Wind or Water generator

greatketch@...
 

Paul,

On my old boat I used the Duo-gen made by Eclectic Energy in the UK, also makers of the D-400 wind generator.  The two units share the same alternator, and wind turbine.  (By the way, if your dock neighbor buys a wind generator, be sure it is a D-400.  They are REALLY quiet, even when the wind is cranking.)

I was of two minds with that piece of kit.  As a water generator under sail, it was truly awesome.  It generated all the power we needed on passage, a steady 60 to 120 Watts, 24/7. Batteries were fully charged all the time. I think the lowest state of charge I saw in 19 days from Hawaii to California was 98%. It performed better than I had hoped.

As a wind generator it certainly performed to its published specifications, and was capable of occasionally really cranking out the amps, and it was more than acceptably quiet... but...

I was always disappointed with the amount energy produced.  Both in famously windy San Francisco Bay, and in Hawaii, where we were in the Pacific tradewinds, the amount of energy produced PER MONTH was a fraction of what I got from my solar cells, and I only had 350W of solar on that boat.  Of course, there were some afternoons with a steady 20-25 knots of wind where the wind generator just cranked out the amps and totally swamped the solar array.  On a day with 10-15 knots...  not so much.  From a (dollar installed cost) per (Watt-hour actually generated over the long run), the wind generator was a very poor second to the solar installation.

Now, think about those numbers if you are considering using a wind generator to make power while sailing.  If  you are sailing close hauled, 20-25 knots of steady, apparent wind is not that unusual.  If you are sailing downwind, that never happens in anything short of nearly a full gale.

Certainly, the Duo-gen wind generator performance was hampered--a little--by not being very high off the water, and the power train certainly soaked up a little of the energy, but if it made twice the power I would have still have considered it to be of marginal utility.  It seems the manufacturer agreed, and now sells essentially the same system as a water-only generator. (The "Sail-gen")

I don't see where the design of the wind generator could have changed my conclusion. I haven't yet seen specifications on a wind generator that make me run out to figure out the best place to mount it.  

Other people have come to different conclusions.  They might use their boats differently, or in different places.  Maybe they are satisfied with the one day a month when it is windy and cloudy so the wind generator pays its keep. Maybe they need more power, don't have room for more solar, and the cost per Watt-hr is acceptable to them.  They might be more impressed with seeing the wind generator make 30 amps in a gust than in actually integrating the amount of power it made over the whole of last month. 

Now, that boat was not an AMEL SM.  It was only 40 feet. So it was slower (6 knots typical, 7.4 tops) and was also a much less power intensive boat.  Our typical power usage was about 50% of what we use on our AMEL.  (1700 W-hrs vs 3600 W-hrs).

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Grand Cay, Abacos, Bahamas



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

Mark Erdos
 

Porter,

 

Contact Juan Ho, General Manager at Shelter Bay Marina to arrange to have the sails delivered there: http://www.shelterbaymarina.com/

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 10:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Galapagos/Marquesas and Panama shipping

 

 

Thanks James. 

I will be certain to let everyone know!  

 

Another question for the forum

 

 

I am ordering sails from Q sails. 

 

Has anyone received shipments in Panama?  Can anyone confirm they are indeed tax free?

 

Where is the best place to receive shipments in Panama?  

 

Always appreciated. 

 

Porter McRoberts

S/V Ibis  54-152

Martinique. 

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Apr 5, 2018, at 7:51 AM, James Cromie jamescromie@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter - Some on this forum, including myself, will be very interested to hear what you find out when you apply for your visas in Panama. We would like to pursue a similar itinerary eventually. 

 

Thank you for the posts. 

James

Soteria 

SM 347


On Apr 3, 2018, at 8:17 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Steve. All excellent points. 

I think we’ll know if we get the visa while in Panama, If not. We’ll then delay on the American continent. 

We’ve also considered the gambier islands for part of the time as well. Less rolly. Further south and outside the cyclone belt. Less heat. 
So it seems. 

 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply!

 

Porter

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Mar 30, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

 

I wish I had good answers, but instead have some questions. 

 

Are you fairly certain a 1 year visa is possible? Rene is Dutch, and his wife is Canadian. I wonder if he was able to get his wife a 1 yr visa due to the fact that he is an EU citizen. I had always heard the long stay visa for Americans was only 6 months instead of the standard 3 we normally get. I’ve also read that after the 2 visits required to the French embassy for the long stay Visa, it is not always granted on the spot, and you may not know if you actually have one until arriving in French Polynesia.  

 

I’d be a bit hesitant to rely on historic cyclone patterns when on the edge of the cyclone belt, as the weather patterns seem to be changing a bit as the ocean temps are rising. It also seems like a very long time to spend in the Marquesas, and would expect the off season part is going to be seriously hot, humid, and squally. 

 

We just sailed from Panama to Hawaii instead of our previously planned trip to FP this year to help out with my ill 94 year old father, and hope to Be headed that way via the Line islands in the 2019 season. Good luck with getting it all figured out, and let us all know what you discover. 

 

Regards,

 

Steve Davis

Aloha SM 72

KoOlina, Hawaii


On Mar 30, 2018, at 04:30, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I very much appreciate all the thoughtful insights in every regard, and so I propose these technical questions.

 

We are heavily considering a transit of the Canal in June.

We've had extensive discussions with Rene of Island Water World in St. Martin (who some may know) and others who argue for the Pacific approach outlined below.

 

It is based on 3 assumptions:

 

1. A US citizen can get a 1 year visa for French Polynesia in Panama at the French consulate there.

2. Entering Equador on the mainland, one can get an extended cruising permit with exit through the Galapagos with minimal fees over an extended time-period.

 and the third:

 

3. The Marquesas are outside the cyclone zone and should be considered a reasonable all weather destination.

 

Based on the above, and a fair amount of research on the web etc.  We are considering a transit in June, July.

Heading south along the west coast of S America, leaving the boat in Ecuador for an inland experience, then Galapagos and Marquesas late part of this year.  Early start on the westward cruising of the pacific in march/April 2019 toward New Zealand or Torres Straits.

 

Noting, while the Marquesas are on the cusp of cyclone territory, their location does not completely exclude them from circular storms, what storm options would we have with good intel.  We have and use iridium and predict wind a-lot with excellent outcomes for the past year. 

 

What thoughts, considerations, concerns and or advice might you have for this concept?

 

Very much appreciated!

 

 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152

Martinique

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Wind or Water generator

Massimo Vecchietti
 

I think ....both.
For Hydrogenerator look "Swi Tec"....the best


Max
SM Patchouli  II
 n. 84

2018-04-06 12:31 GMT+02:00 osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

We have 850 watt of solar power that covers our need when at anchor, even a partly cloudy day. But during passage at night we need to run the Genset something that take away some of the joy of sailing.

I have been thinking of installing a wind generator as we are going to spend a few seasons in the Caribbean where it is not uncommon with strong wind and cloud days. But hopefully we will also cross the Pacific and I assume more or less following wind and the wind generator will not contribute very much.

Does anyone of you out there have any experience with the Watt and Sea or the Swi-Tec hydro generators. Or any other brand? Pros and cons with hydro generators? For you who have both Hydro and Water generators what would be your first choice?


Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259