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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
mfmcgovern@...
Davi,
That screw is black oxide coated mild steel. It will rust in no time. You want to use 316 Stainless Steel screws whenever you can on the boat. Certainly for anything that is exposed to salt water. Here is a link to a 316 Stainless Steel Hex Drive Flat Head screw should work for this application: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93395a410/=1e1x4s3 Mark McGovern SM 440 Cara Deale, MD USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote : Davi, That doesn't look like the right screw... I do not think it is stainless... The best choice would be part number Grainger Item# 26LG09 But before you order them, pull out one of the existing screws to be sure the size and length is right! All I know is what screws were used on my boat... I used Grainger part number 31JR46. It has a slotted head. I ordered them before I saw Joel's excellent suggestion to use the socket head screws. Next time! Compass Marine has an excellent "how-to" page on the how's and why's of using butyl tape for sealing deck hardware. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote : Bill, Hi there.... is this the screw for the job, from grainger? I think I might be needing this soon on my SM #56... Got some butyl tape ordered too...so would I unseat the stanchion, clean the rust from everything, tef gel the screws as per your instructions in this thread, then only use butyl tape to cover the whole stanchion base and rescrew everything down? Many thanks... Davi
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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
Hi Davi,
Suggest you use phosphoric acid to clean the rust and put some into the hole. That will also passivate any rust on the embedded carbon steel plate, thus slowing future rusting. Best, Craig, SN68 ---In amelyachtowners@..., <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote : Bill, Hi there.... is this the screw for the job, from grainger? I think I might be needing this soon on my SM #56... Got some butyl tape ordered too...so would I unseat the stanchion, clean the rust from everything, tef gel the screws as per your instructions in this thread, then only use butyl tape to cover the whole stanchion base and rescrew everything down? Many thanks... Davi
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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
mfmcgovern@...
Davi,
Those are black oxide coated mild steel. They will rust in no time in that environment. You want them made from 316 Stainless Steel. Something like these should work: https://www.mcmaster.com/#93395a410/=1e1x4s3 Mark McGovern SM 440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
Apologies you are right. I just measured 13.5v at the circulating pump. Not sure how I got that wrong, anyway. So they need to be 12v pumps for sure.
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Nick Amelia (54)
On 7 Aug 2018, at 02:28, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
greatketch@...
Davi,
That doesn't look like the right screw... I do not think it is stainless... The best choice would be part number Grainger Item# 26LG09 But before you order them, pull out one of the existing screws to be sure the size and length is right! All I know is what screws were used on my boat... I used Grainger part number 31JR46. It has a slotted head. I ordered them before I saw Joel's excellent suggestion to use the socket head screws. Next time! Compass Marine has an excellent "how-to" page on the how's and why's of using butyl tape for sealing deck hardware. https://marinehowto.com/bed-it-tape/ Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA ---In amelyachtowners@..., <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote : Bill, Hi there.... is this the screw for the job, from grainger? I think I might be needing this soon on my SM #56... Got some butyl tape ordered too...so would I unseat the stanchion, clean the rust from everything, tef gel the screws as per your instructions in this thread, then only use butyl tape to cover the whole stanchion base and rescrew everything down? Many thanks... Davi
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: re caulking of stanchion base
I guess I need to add this to the list of things to do one day.
What are the specs of the replacement screws?
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Bonaire www.creampuff.us
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Paul,
I found them at https://www.grainger.com a great source for oddball bits and pieces at industrial--instead of marine--prices.
Bill Kinney Sm160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA
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Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
Hi Thomas,
In the best Italian tradition the information is not very clear to discover, but if you go to https://nautikulma.fi/PDF/248-Veco.pdf, in the PDF at page 44 you will find the devices I referred to. It shows you the pump interface and the voltage divider. Maybe I have the user manual of the pump interface in one of the documentation binders on board, I would need to search for it. Regartd, Arno
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Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
ESTELLER
this12 volt pump can bé found in Osculati catalog at About 80 € If his pump does not work probably the reason is on the carbons that can be easely checked and changed It is also necessary to clean the head of the pump that can easely be opened José A54 ORION Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
Bill, Hi there.... is this the screw for the job, from grainger? I think I might be needing this soon on my SM #56... Got some butyl tape ordered too...so would I unseat the stanchion, clean the rust from everything, tef gel the screws as per your instructions in this thread, then only use butyl tape to cover the whole stanchion base and rescrew everything down?
Many thanks... Davi
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Re: SM Running Rigging
Hey Kent,
What line are you calling the "Tack Rope"? Sounds like an asym spinnaker pendant (non-Amel). Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote : I am replacing my running rigging prior to S Pacific cruise. Looking at the files section, I have a couple questions: What is the Tack Rope (10mm Kevlar, 11.5 meters)??? What line do you use for manually furling the genoa? Diameter and length??? Is it led through blocks at the toe rail to the small cockpit winches? It must be pretty long as it has to go from the cockpit to the furler and back, and have enough more to furl the sail. Thanks in advance. Kent SM 243 Kristy
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator
Out of curiosity I asked Veco (Annapolis Frigoboat/Climma distributor) about their warning to use only sea water for cooling, not tank water. My questions are below with their answers in red.
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"Dear Veco, I see in your Installation and Instruction Manual that you have a warning in Chapter 3 that the W35F and W50F Refrigeration Systems are designed to operate with sea water cooling only, not water from water tanks, etc. because serious health risks can occur. Frigoboat systems are designed for use with sea water only. There are no food-grade materials used, and if a condenser rupture were to occur there would be contamination of the drinking water from refrigerant and oil if the system was installed using the boat's water tanks. I'm guessing the concern with using recirculating cooling water from a fresh water tank would be if the tank water were to heat up a lot or become insufficient, the refrigeration may not provide adequate cooling and food might spoil causing illness (and possible legal ramifications for your company). Absolutely. Also, we would rather not have the reputation of Frigoboat slighted by operators broadcasting of poor performance when in fact their systems have been installed and operated in a non-standard way. Owner error might also allow the tank to become empty, although the system seemingly would respond as it would were a sea water feed to become clogged and no equipment damage would result. There is a temperature sensor on the condensing coil that will stop the compressor if it is seen that there is an inadequate supply of cooling water. Can you confirm that the warning is indeed one to prevent owner error or is there actually an engineering issue with using fresh water from a tank? That certainly seems not the issue as the system, I'm sure, will work fine in fresh water. By using recirculating water in a tank, you are adding several more steps of heat exchange. By using sea water we are always using a fresh source of water at a stable temperature. Heat travels from a higher temperature object to a lower temperature one, so for heat exchange to take place, there must be a difference in temperature between the two mediums, and the greater the difference, the more the heat exchange. The water recirculated back to the tank will be at a higher temperature than the water in the tank and so it will heat the water in the tank. The water in the tank has to be considerably warmer than its surroundings before it can dispense some of that heat, so the water in the tank will be warmer than the surroundings and the sea water. As the water in the tank gets warmer/hotter, there is less heat exchange, less efficiency, and more power is consumed due to elevated head pressures in the compressor. The Frigoboat W35 and W50 systems are designed to operate efficiently and safely with sea water at the maximum expected temperature. Best regards, Craig Briggs s/v Sangaris I didn't word my last point very well - I meant to point out that the system doesn't care if it gets sea water or fresh water from, say, a river or in a lake. It's just a matter of them not wanting owners using tank water to avoid possible complaints, claims or the remote chance of drinking water contamination. Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <uster@...> wrote : Good morning Paul, If I may point out regarding the “water cooled” units. “Chapter 3” of the Installation and Instruction Manual http://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/images/PDF/Refer/Frigoboat_Manual_Rev_37.pdf it says: NOTE: The W35F and W50F compressors are designed to work with sea water only. They are not designed to use water from other sources, i.e. water tanks, skin tanks, or coolant pumped through secondary heat exchangers. Serious health risks and/or performance issues can occur if any form of liquid coolant delivery is used other than sea water being pumped directly into the system and then expelled back overboard. I assume this is some lawyer statement to prevent any type of potential lawsuit should the system leak into the fresh water tank. Personally, I would not have any issue using the fresh water tank, but wanted to point out the information. Sincerely, Alexandre. --------------------------------------------
On Mon, 8/6/18, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: re caulking of stanchion base
Hi Bill, is this the screw for the job? From the grainger site... I think this will be a task I'll have to do soon on my SM #56 too....
Thanks! Davi
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
Sv Garulfo
Arno, Thanks for the measure, it’s useful info. Do you have your source of frigoboat info? I’d be happy to read it. The circulation pump is hot indeed, and always has been, and I also saw it hot on a friend’s 54. Doesn’t mean it’s right! But the more data points the better. I’ll check all that again when we’re back in a couple of weeks. Looking forward to meeting you! Thanks! Thomas Away from GARULFO A54-122 Curacao
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Re: SM Running Rigging
Ian Park
Kent
For Genoa furling just experiment. My switch needed cleaning so I sat on the foredeck with 8m of 10mm. It didn’t take long to fuel and little effort. Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat drain hose blocked
Re Drain of drip tray.
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Under the floor below steps the hose is attached to the pipe that goes through to the bilge pump. Just unscrew the hoseclamp and pull off pipe. Then blow through it to clear any crud. Did mine the other day. Nick Amelia (#019 Amel 54)
On 6 Aug 2018, at 21:59, sharongbrown@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Proud new owner of Amel SM50, first post
Stephen Davis
Hi Charlie, Congratulations on your new Amel, and you have made a very good choice. We own 1992 hull #72, and our boat should be very similar to yours. Since we purchased ours in early 2014, we have done a fairly major refit, and cruised her nearly 15,000 miles. If you have any questions about how to upgrade or repair something, chances are I’ve already done it. Don’t hesitate to ask if you have some questions, and I’ll help if I can. Our older hull numbers have many differences from the 2000s, and even some of the later SMs. With regards to the fuel shutoff handle, is it the T handle inside the boat broken, or the actual valve on the tank? If it is the T handle in the boat, you should still be able to shut off the fuel at the tank. Regards, Steve Davis Aloha SM 72 Ko Olina, Hawaii
On Aug 6, 2018, at 15:21, arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] resurrecting an old dessalator [1 Attachment]
Hi Ryan, I have SM 243, she has a 24V 60 L/H Desallator. I'm not aboard now, but it sounds like that's what you have. Two 20" membranes? Kent
From: "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:15 PM Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] resurrecting an old dessalator [1 Attachment]
[Attachment(s) from Ryan Meador included below]
Hi all,
I'm unsure of which model Dessalator is installed on my boat. I've attached a photo.. The info on the label on the motor reads: Amel No 830042 Type MBT1141L 29V60l/h9848 It appears this is a 24V-only unit. Is this typical? I haven't had luck searching the mailing list archives for more info. I think there is something wrong with Yahoo right now.. Can anyone identify this model? This unit has 13 hours on it. That is not a typo. The previous owner said he used it a couple times when he first got the boat and then never again. I do not know if it was pickled at that time, nor if it has been flushed in the interim. Can anyone offer advice on what I should do before I try turning it on? I know I'll need to replace the membranes before I use it, but I just want to see if everything else works or if it needs a more serious overhaul. Thanks, Ryan and Kelly SM 233 Iteration Boston, MA, USA
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Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54
Today I measured the voltage directly across the circulation pump for the fridges and it measures 12.5 Volts when one or more fridges are running/cooling. That makes sense as the pump is 12 Volt.
Frigoboat does tell you to use a voltage divider in case you have a single compressor setup and a 24 volt system. They even sell a device for this. But when you use the multi-compressor pump switch the divider is apparently build into the switch already. So I dont' think the original Frigoboat pump can/should be used at 24 Volt. It's likely to burn up very quickly. Cheers, Arno
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow Thruster On/Off Switch Replacement
Oops, I think I sent before I was done. I have hundreds of posts to read through as my email program put 90% of them in my spam folder. We are a prolific group!!!! Kent
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM2000 Hull 353 “Indecent”
Stephanie,
Thank you for your contributions. Congratulations of the sale. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Bonaire www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 6:20 PM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM2000 Hull 353 “Indecent” Dear All, I want to thank you all for the information you have shared over the years. It has been a great help. Indecent had a contract on her two weeks after she was introduced to the market, and we closed 7/31/18. We are switching to a smaller motor yacht, 42’, with twin Cummins diesels, that will get us back and forth between the Bahamas and our slip in Palm Beach Gardens in max 4 hrs, and as little as 2 1/2 if we have flat seas and peg her. I do not have an e-mail for the new owner, a fellow from California, so I will send him a snail mail introducing him to this group. Concurrently, I ask that my name be eliminated from this mailing list. Many thanks and fair winds, Stephanie 2013 Sabre Sedan Express, “Sea Dog” On Aug 6, 2018, at 4:59 PM, amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com wrote: <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdHVpbnVsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNTMzNTg5MTUw> Yahoo! Groups <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbW50OHBrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNoZHIEc2xrA2hwaARzdGltZQMxNTMzNTg5MTUw> Amel Yacht Owners - Forum for owners of Amel sailboats Group 15 Messages Digest #5749 1a Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54 by "Nick" 2a Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator by "James Cromie" jamescromie 2b Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator by sykerpa 2c Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator by "Mark Erdos" markerdos 2d Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator by "Alexandre Uster von Baar" uster.rm 2e Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator by sykerpa 3a Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter by bill_9895 3b Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter by isaac_02906 4a Guidance on replacing Engine tray mounts by jamestim@me.com 4b Re: Guidance on replacing Engine tray mounts by "Stephen Davis" flyboyscdswa 5a Re: Amel 54 main mast seal by "Barry Connor" connor_barry 6a re caulking of stanchion base by sykerpa 6b Re: re caulking of stanchion base by jamestim@me.com 6c Re: re caulking of stanchion base by bill_9895 7 Frigoboat drain hose blocked by ya_fohi Messages 1a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41493;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZGZkanRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDkzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54 Mon Aug 6, 2018 5:02 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:ngtnewington@aol...com?subject=Re%3A%20Question%20about%20the%20refrigiration%20system%20on%20an%20A54> "Nick" Hi, As I understand it the 12vcirculating pumps for the fridge systems are standard 12v pumps but actually get 24v as measured. They work fine at the higher voltage and pump enough sea water to cool my three fridges on Amelia. I am sure you could replace them with a 24v pump but then you would draw double the current and maybe pump more water. As a matter of interest my three fridges worked fine in the West Indies but I noticed the flow of water out of the port through hull to be a bit feeble. So I investigated and there was a bit of crud in the pipe work so I flushed it out and now the flow is much faster though the fridges seam to be no less or indeed more happy. My conclusion is that the flow rate is not overly critical even in hot Caribbean and cool Azores. Nick Amelia (Amel 54 #019) Canary Islands On 5 Aug 2018, at 12:26, arno.luijten@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:<mailto:ngtnewington@aol.com?subject=Re%3A%20Question%20about%20the%20refrigiration%20system%20on%20an%20A54> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Question%20about%20the%20refrigiration%20system%20on%20an%20A54> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41493;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaHVwZzRnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDkzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41493> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41466;_ylc=X3oDMTM3M20yY2N1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDkzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0NjY-> All Messages (6) . Top ^ 2a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41494;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYnNlOXZnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator Mon Aug 6, 2018 5:56 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:jamescromie@yahoo..com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> "James Cromie" jamescromie This is great. Thanks for sharing Mark. Perhaps you’d be willing to share your private email with me- I wanted to ask some other questions. My email address is Jamescromie “at” yahoo dot com, and perhaps you could send me your email Thanks. James On Aug 6, 2018, at 6:45 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:<mailto:jamescromie@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41494;_ylc=X3oDMTJyY2FtdjFpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41494> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41480;_ylc=X3oDMTM3M285bDhqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0ODA-> All Messages (10) . Top ^ 2b <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41495;_ylc=X3oDMTJyajM3dDU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator Mon Aug 6, 2018 6:17 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> sykerpa Mark! Did you consider to have a water cooled compressor? We have changed the cooler and compressor in the fridge box. To a water cooled, I also build a freezer where the dishwasher was, also water cooled. Both compressors are cooled by circulating fresh water from the drinking water tank. Limited corrosion no growth of barnacles. No problem to use when on the hard, and very energy efficient. No noice from any fan. Took the water from the manual pump outlet to the compressors. I have thought of doing something about the fridge cabinet as it get cool, but work most of the time and make noice even after I changed the fan. One thought was a drawer fridge, terribly expensive and does not match, or change compressor and evaporator. I think I know the answer now. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 <mailto:osterberg.paul..l@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41495;_ylc=X3oDMTJyczYxdGYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41495> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41480;_ylc=X3oDMTM3N2JtYWt1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0ODA-> All Messages (10) . Top ^ 2c <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41496;_ylc=X3oDMTJyMDU2Nmd0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator Mon Aug 6, 2018 6:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:mcerdos@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> "Mark Erdos" markerdos Paul, I did not opt for the water cooled units. I am happy with the basic air cooled unit. If I had to do it over, I might opt for the larger box evaporator but this would mean redoing the drain tray and plumbing in the unit. I am happy with the results. Also, I should note the parts come pre-charged so the installation is just connecting the quick-connect fittings. No charging or Freon necessary. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 9:01 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator Mark! Did you consider to have a water cooled compressor? We have changed the cooler and compressor in the fridge box. To a water cooled, I also build a freezer where the dishwasher was, also water cooled. Both compressors are cooled by circulating fresh water from the drinking water tank. Limited corrosion no growth of barnacles. No problem to use when on the hard, and very energy efficient. No noice from any fan. Took the water from the manual pump outlet to the compressors. I have thought of doing something about the fridge cabinet as it get cool, but work most of the time and make noice even after I changed the fan. One thought was a drawer fridge, terribly expensive and does not match, or change compressor and evaporator. I think I know the answer now. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 <mailto:mcerdos@gmail..com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41496;_ylc=X3oDMTJybzNtYmhsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41496> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41480;_ylc=X3oDMTM3N2Jwb2czBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0ODA-> All Messages (10) . 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Serious health risks and/or performance issues can occur if any form of liquid coolant delivery is used other than sea water being pumped directly into the system and then expelled back overboard. I assume this is some lawyer statement to prevent any type of potential lawsuit should the system leak into the fresh water tank. Personally, I would not have any issue using the fresh water tank, but wanted to point out the information. Sincerely, Alexandre. -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 8/6/18, osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for suggestions on galley refrigerator To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, August 6, 2018, 8:00 AM Mark! Did you consider to have a water cooled compressor? We have changed the cooler and compressor in the fridge box. To a water cooled, I also build a freezer where the dishwasher was, also water cooled. Both compressors are cooled by circulating fresh water from the drinking water tank. Limited corrosion no growth of barnacles. No problem to use when on the hard, and very energy efficient. No noice from any fan. Took the water from the manual pump outlet to the compressors. I have thought of doing something about the fridge cabinet as it get cool, but work most of the time and make noice even after I changed the fan. One thought was a drawer fridge, terribly expensive and does not match, or change compressor and evaporator. I think I know the answer now. Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 <mailto:uster@rocketmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41497;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZTgwZmRrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41497> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41480;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZTB0NThnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0ODA-> All Messages (10) . 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Posted by: <mailto:osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> sykerpa Alexandre Thank you, yes assume legal protection, using the drinking water becoming more and more frequent as it has its advantages Paul. <mailto:osterberg.paul..l@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Looking%20for%20suggestions%20on%20galley%20refrigerator> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41498;_ylc=X3oDMTJyOHBlNmdrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk4BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41498> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41480;_ylc=X3oDMTM3Y3BncWZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk4BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0ODA-> All Messages (10) . Top ^ 3a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41499;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaWNzcm5yBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter Mon Aug 6, 2018 7:29 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:greatketch@yahoo...com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> bill_9895 Mark, The Puddle Jump is held every year. The page http://www.pacificpuddlejump..com/articles.html referenced is a historical listing of all the articles published in the rally's sponsor magazine, Latitude 38, from 2005 through 2016. If you scan down the list, you will find for each year there is a "Recap" article published after the rally. Each of the "Recaps" include a table of the survey responses from the rally participants that includes passage speed information and breakdown experiences. For anyone not familiar, Latitude 38 is the local sailing rag for the San Francisco Bay area. One of the better local sailing magazines around. Of course mostly dedicated to the local news, but lots of information and news of general sailing interest as well. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA ---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, <mcerdos@...> wrote : Which article are you referring to? There are a lot of them on this page. With best regards, Mark Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Bonaire www.creampuff.us From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 12:51 AM To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter An interesting source of anecdotal information on failures underway is the annual recap article from the Pacific Puddle Jump Rally published in Latitude 38. http://www. http://www.pacificpuddlejump.com/articles.htmlpacificpuddlejump http://www.pacificpuddlejump.com/articles.html.com/articles.html http://www.pacificpuddlejump.com/articles.html It's not terribly helpful to give real rates of failure since usually only about 25% of the boats actually fill out the end of rally survey, and the information is very sketchy about why things broke, but it give you an idea none the less. It's also really interesting to see real passage time data and engine hour usage instead of the kind of bragging one normally gets around the yacht club bar. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD, USA <mailto:greatketch@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41499;_ylc=X3oDMTJycTNuM2E1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41499> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41474;_ylc=X3oDMTM3ZWw4bjgzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNDk5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0NzQ-> All Messages (11) . Top ^ 3b <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41502;_ylc=X3oDMTJyYWhhYzR0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAyBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Original Autopilot Integration With New Chartplotter Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:02 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:isaac_02906@yahoo..com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> isaac_02906 Thanks to all for your valuable experience and input. Mark Isaac Lulu SM 391 South Freeport, ME <mailto:isaac_02906@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Original%20Autopilot%20Integration%20With%20New%20Chartplotter> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41502;_ylc=X3oDMTJycjlkcWVrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAyBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41502> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41474;_ylc=X3oDMTM3bTZoZzJqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAyBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE0NzQ-> All Messages (11) . Top ^ 4a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41500;_ylc=X3oDMTJyanBndDI4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Guidance on replacing Engine tray mounts Mon Aug 6, 2018 8:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:jamestim@me.com?subject=Re%3A%20Guidance%20on%20replacing%20Engine%20tray%20mounts> jamestim@me.com Hi Amel owners! We have just purchased SM2k #260, very glad to have joined the family! We are trying to find out information on the motor tray mounts on SM2k (Volvo). Are these Amel items or regular vets/volvo ones? Has anyone replaced them? Our survey has shown excessive vibration pointing at worn mounts causing misalignment.. Enclosed some pics of the mounts in question. Thanks in advance! James & Louise S/V TITANIUM - Valencia, Spain SM2k <mailto:jamestim@me.com?subject=Re%3A%20Guidance%20on%20replacing%20Engine%20tray%20mounts> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Guidance%20on%20replacing%20Engine%20tray%20mounts> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41500;_ylc=X3oDMTJyZmE2YmVpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41500> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41500;_ylc=X3oDMTM3cWY2MjNiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE1MDA-> All Messages (2) . 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It can be done by a very handy owner, but requires lifting the engine a bit, and the alignment procedure is critical. Did I mention, it is not a fun job. Usually, Olivier is listening, and he has a very detailed alignment procedure he can provide. If he does not chime in soon, I’ll find my copy of the procedure, and forward it to you. Enjoy your new boat. Steve Davis Aloha SM 72 Hawaii On Aug 6, 2018, at 5:03 AM, jamestim@me.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:<mailto:flyboyscd@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20Guidance%20on%20replacing%20Engine%20tray%20mounts> Reply to sender . <mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Guidance%20on%20replacing%20Engine%20tray%20mounts> Reply to group . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/messages/41505;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaTFlam1wBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-?act=reply&messageNum=41505> Reply via Web Post . <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41500;_ylc=X3oDMTM3aTM5a2l2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTA1BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTAEdHBjSWQDNDE1MDA-> All Messages (2) . Top ^ 5a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41501;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaW5sbW9nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: Amel 54 main mast seal Mon Aug 6, 2018 8:27 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:connor_barry@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Amel%2054%20main%20mast%20seal> "Barry Connor" connor_barry Thank's Bob, This makes it easy to understand, I will only seal the outside edges with my 5200 which I believe will hold the pad together for awhile, I will be in the Caribbean in a year or so and would like to get the experts to do this for me.Did they replace with an original pad?I understand Amel are on August holiday, so I will inquire to get a pad when they are back. Thank's again to all for the help and advise. Best Regards Barry and PennyS/V Lady Penelope IIAmel 54. #17Sailing Croatia On Monday, August 6, 2018, 6:45:28 AM EDT, Bob Hodgins bobh@hodginsengraving.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Barry, I had my main mast pad changed in January this year in Martinique. I watched and here is what they did. The jack system they had was specially made for the job. It was a single hand pump for the hydraulic, it was connected to two cylinders, one for each side of the mast. They placed large hard wood blocks on deck to distribute the load, on each side of the mast. The jack cylinders went on top of these blocks, and there was a custom made wood block that fit under the main winch on each side of the mast. When they pumped the jack, each side lifted exactly the same. They lifted it only about 35 or 40 cm, cleaned out the old pad and slid in the new one. You might not want to be putting 5200 under the mast because it will be difficult to clean out with that limited space to work under the foot. On the outside of the mast might be OK. My original pad was completely dissolved from age. I think the mast settled down that amount, and caused the rig to be loose. After installing the new pad, they tuned the rig using a tension gauge. I think they did a very good, professional job. 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Top ^ 6a <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41503;_ylc=X3oDMTJydDJ2ZmQ5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTAzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> re caulking of stanchion base Mon Aug 6, 2018 9:55 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:osterberg.paul.l@gmail.com?subject=Re%3A%20re%20caulking%20of%20stanchion%20base> sykerpa Hello! i have some very light rust stains at the base on some of my stanchion bases, which is the best way to re caulk them? Any idea how to get stubborn screws to loosen up? 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Top ^ 6b <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41504;_ylc=X3oDMTJyOXZkcGM4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTA0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: re caulking of stanchion base Mon Aug 6, 2018 11:46 am (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:jamestim@me.com?subject=Re%3A%20re%20caulking%20of%20stanchion%20base> jamestim@me.com Hi Paul We've got the same issue, albeit a small one. Will be interested to hear what others think.. 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Top ^ 6c <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/conversations/topics/41506;_ylc=X3oDMTJyc2Q3YWI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzUwMzYyMjUEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzQxNTA2BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzE1MzM1ODkxNTA-> Re: re caulking of stanchion base Mon Aug 6, 2018 1:26 pm (PDT) . Posted by: <mailto:greatketch@yahoo...com?subject=Re%3A%20re%20caulking%20of%20stanchion%20base> bill_9895 Paul, What a timely question! I am in the process of doing exactly that. I have an impact wrench with a flat blade screwdriver bit that has been the only way most of these bolts come out. It is VITAL that the bit fit the screws very closely. When we bought Harmonie we were told that pulling these screws and re-seating them after treating with Tef-Gel should be a once in ten-year project on any Amel. If it is done often it is easy. If not... it is a miserable project. Rust at the base of the stanchions can come from three sources. On Harmonie there is no bedding compound between the flat part of the stanchion base and the fiberglass gunwale. This means that there is a fairly large flat area of stainless steel that is mostly excluded from the oxygen in the air that protects it from corrosion, but where water can creep in and get rust started. This is the least critical rust issue. I see it on each of the stanchions I have removed so far, even on those that showed no visible rust stains around them before removal. The bolts themselves can corrode on the underside of the head. Again, a place where water can get to, but has limited access to air. The problem with this is it can significantly weaken the bolt. I have seen stainless bolts with this kind of corrosion where the head literally fell off. So far I have found one bolt like this. The head twisted off when I put torque on it to remove. I am in the process now of drilling it out for removal. Not my idea of fun. The last possible source of rust staining is the most serious, and is the real reason for making this a routine maintenance project. When water finds its way down into the threads of the bolts it begins to corrode the steel plate that Amel set into the fiberglass. The resulting rust irresistibly expands and will destroy the fiberglass around it in a very slow motion explosion. This requires a complex, and expensive repair. The impact wrench has been successful at removing the bolts so far (except the one that broke!) After removal the heads are beat up enough that I am replacing them with the most corrosion resistant machine screws I can find--of 316L stainless. The rail has a joint about a meter forward of the aft corner. Once you get the rear two stanchions unbolted, that piece can be removed. (The stanchion all the way back on the transom is through bolted, not in a tapped hole.) Once you get a few stanchions unbolted, you will have enough "wiggle room" to lift each of the stanchion bases up, clean them up, and get some caulking under them. Since the stainless screws are going to be threaded into steel backing plates, they should be generously treated with Tef-Gel or whatever brand of anti-corrosion thread lubricant is your favorite. Then all will be better for another decade! 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This hose seems to be blocked resulting in water accumulating at the bottom of the fridge, I would be grateful if someone has dealt with this before and could advise how to get access to this hose as it does not seem to be easy at all without some major dismantling which I'm reluctant to do without knowing what I'm doing. 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