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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor chain for Amel 54

ngtnewington Newington
 

thanks Joel, it going to be the G7 then.

Nick

On 9 May 2018, at 17:21, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

On my Amel 54 #14, it was G7. Not sure if all Amel 54 were so equipped but on my boat, also our demonstrator for North America, all the “ included at base price outfitting “ was to be representative of what the prospective client would receive on a new order. So, probably all the standard (not extra cost optional stainless steel chain) chain was G7.


JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On May 9, 2018, at 10:36 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

This is a question for Bill mostly but anyones opinion welcome:

I want to replace the original 10mm chain provided by Amel. I do not know if it is Grade 4 or 7. Maud does not know, but the original chain was made by Chaineries Limousines in France. They make both grades. Does anyone know what grade was supplied? Or what are the general views on what I should buy. The breaking strain on Grade 4 or Grade 40 as it is also known is about 5.3 metric tons whilst the Grade 70 would be near double that.


Nick

Amelia (54)






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Patrick McAneny
 

Joel I agree , rather than clog up this site , if anyone thinking they will attend would email me when they could not come, and when would be best for them ,I will see if there is a common date that seems to work ,at least for the majority. I think St Micheals is still probably the best area , its fairly central , plenty of anchorage and a beautiful village. 
Pat 
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 9:35 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 
Hello Everybody. The sooner some foresighted member picks a time and place, the better equipped we will all be to arrange our calendars around the date. Last time was fun.
 
All The Best, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 7:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
 
 
Diane and I would enjoy getting together again , the last one was fun , I think we had about seven or eight boats. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
 
Hi to all,
 
Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together.
 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM #240
 
On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
 
We are interested in getting together this Summer.
Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.
 
Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
 
On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Sounds like a good product, Pat.
 
Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.
Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover
 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy
 
 
 
 


Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush***RESPONSE TO *** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Jose, see my original post under your question below.  Bottom line from the SKF engineer, inner seal facing oil, two outer ones facing the water. Use MUCH harder metal for the bearing than Amel used.
Cheers, Craig, SN68 Sangaris, Ft. Pierce, FL
---In amelyachtowners@..., <jvenegas@...> wrote :
Thank you, Craig,
That makes sense.  What did the SFK expert tell you about the orientation of the seals?
Good winds
Jose
---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

As we've all experienced, the bronze "wearing-out bushing" (as Amel refers it) gets, well, worn out and grooved from the lip seals. Then water leaks into the oil and we see the tell-tale "chocolate milk" colored oil that says it's time to haul out and replace the seals (cheap) and the "wearing-out bushing" (typically dear in price if supplied by Amel.)
I've had two thoughts on this: switch to a harder bushing of stainless steel and/or try a new (to me) lip seal design by SKF called the Wave Seal. It has the lip in a sinusoidal pattern that spreads the wearing area on the bushing. (SKF is "the world leader in bearing technology.")
I ran this by SKF's engineering department who were most responsive. Here's what their take was on the issue:
"Craig, 
My educated guess is that the seals are not an issue in this application. The problem is with the Bronze bushing that is being used as a sealing surface. Bronze is generally quite soft and might not have the required hardness of Rockwell C 30 or higher. You have a few options to solve this issue:
• You can put SKF speedi-sleeve gold on the shaft (P/N 99830). You will probably have to install multiple sleeves as you have 3 seals next to each other.
• You can replace the bronze bushing with a hardened wear sleeve for better abrasion resistance. We can offer you a custom wear sleeve if needed.
• You can plate your bushing with a harder material (Chrome, ceramic, etc) to make it wear resistant.
Essentially, the harder the shaft is, the less grooving it will see. I also suggest you to make sure that you grease pack the area between the seals to make sure that the seals not in contact with the oil are well lubricated. A lack of lubrication can cause the seal and surface to wear quicker. Finally I would arrange the seals with 2 facing the water and one facing the oil as long as there is no pressure difference. 
Best regards, Jaydeep Laljani, Application Engineer, SKF USA

I wrote back and said:
"Many thanks for your analysis. Frankly, I have wondered why the manufacturer used Bronze in the first place and not stainless - they actually call it a "wearing-out bushing" (but then they do charge a lot for replacements :-). 
Next month I'm returning to the boat, which is in Turkey, and I can easily have a local shop turn a new bushing in 316 Stainless (the same material as the shaft and propeller, so no electrolysis issues.) I think that would solve the problem without going to sleeves or plating. 
As for the orientation of the seals, I like your suggestion of two facing the water and will do that the next time I change the seals. After all, we're really trying to keep the water out more than keeping the oil in. And, yes, indeed, I always pack the seals with a good water-proof grease and that helps, I'm sure. "

Jaydeep replied with:
"I think you might not get as much life as you want with 316 SS as it is still not up to the required hardness. If you want to go Stainless I recommend 17-4 Stainless steel which is harder. If you are going with the 316 SS I would recommend you to passivate it to improve corrosion resistance. "

So that's the story which I thought might be of interest to the group. I hauled last year and only haul every three years, plus the new seals I put on then only have 300 hours and are not yet leaking so I'll report back in 2015 when I haul again and install a new 17-4 Stainless Steel "Not Wearing-Out Bushing" with two seals facing out!

Cheers, Craig Briggs
s/v SANGARIS, 1992 Santorin #68, Didim Turkey

PS; Update in 2018; never did get around to the 17-4 SS bearing, but used SKF speedie sleeves with inconclusive results; Next tried centrifugal rebabitting of the WOB; again, not much difference. Just last week installed a new Amel bronze bearing, "by-the-book" with two seals toward oil and one toward water. We'll see.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor chain for Amel 54

amelforme
 

On my Amel 54 #14, it was G7. Not sure if all Amel 54 were so equipped but on my boat, also our demonstrator for North America, all the “ included at base price outfitting “ was to be representative of what the prospective client would receive on a new order. So, probably all the standard (not extra cost optional stainless steel chain) chain was G7.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On May 9, 2018, at 10:36 AM, kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

This is a question for Bill mostly but anyones opinion welcome:

I want to replace the original 10mm chain provided by Amel. I do not know if it is Grade 4 or 7. Maud does not know, but the original chain was made by Chaineries Limousines in France. They make both grades. Does anyone know what grade was supplied? Or what are the general views on what I should buy. The breaking strain on Grade 4 or Grade 40 as it is also known is about 5.3 metric tons whilst the Grade 70 would be near double that.


Nick

Amelia (54)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

Hi all,

Count me in for some SWAG again. We had over 20 people for the last Chesapeake Rendezvous

 

Ric

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 7:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 

 

Diane and I would enjoy getting together again , the last one was fun , I think we had about seven or eight boats. 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 

Hi to all,

 

Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together.

 

Tom Peacock

Aletes SM #240

 

On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We are interested in getting together this Summer.

Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.

 

Vladimir 

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

 

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sounds like a good product, Pat.

 

Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy SM243

karkauai at yahoo.com

828-234-6819

St Michaels MD


On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.

Welcome Back,

Pat & Diane

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 

Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

 

 

 

 


Anchor chain for Amel 54

kwzy6vgkpvtfohjddjsrotobzwf2pjeafjwalhur@...
 

This is a question for Bill mostly but anyones opinion welcome:

I want to replace the original 10mm chain provided by Amel. I do not know if it is Grade 4 or 7. Maud does not know, but the original chain was made by Chaineries Limousines in France. They make both grades. Does anyone know what grade was supplied? Or what are the general views on what I should buy. The breaking strain on Grade 4 or Grade 40 as it is also known is about 5.3 metric tons whilst the Grade 70 would be near double that.


Nick

Amelia (54)



Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush***RESPONSE TO *** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***

Jose Venegas
 

Thank you, Craig,
That makes sense.  What did the SFK expert tell you about the orientation of the seals?

Good winds

Jose


Re: Frigoboat AV35F

Miles
 

HI John,

I just replaced one of my under seat units.  If was easy just like Mark said it was.  I did have someone in Le Marin do the bending with a jig he had used before.  In my case, I replaced the original with an Italian one, a Vitrifrigo model ND50.  It work perfectly.

Regards,

Miles

s/y Ladybug  sm216 anchored off Anse Arlet, Martinique.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

amelforme
 

Hello Everybody. The sooner some foresighted member picks a time and place, the better equipped we will all be to arrange our calendars around the date. Last time was fun.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 7:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 

 

Diane and I would enjoy getting together again , the last one was fun , I think we had about seven or eight boats. 

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 

Hi to all,

 

Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together.

 

Tom Peacock

Aletes SM #240

 

On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We are interested in getting together this Summer.

Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.

 

Vladimir 

SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

 

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Sounds like a good product, Pat.

 

Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson

S/V Kristy SM243

karkauai at yahoo.com

828-234-6819

St Michaels MD


On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.

Welcome Back,

Pat & Diane

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 

Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy

 

 

 

 


Re: ChesapeakeRendezvous?

mfmcgovern@...
 

Denise and I would love to join in.  

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA  


Re: ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Kent,
Sounds good - we'll be up late Sept after we get back form Borneo.
Cheers,
Craig and Katherine - hi to Captn Iris!


Re: ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Duane Siegfri
 

We are planning to be there in mid summer and would be interested in a Rendezvous.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Patrick McAneny
 

Diane and I would enjoy getting together again , the last one was fun , I think we had about seven or eight boats. 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 6:58 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

 
Hi to all,

Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM #240

On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We are interested in getting together this Summer.
Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.

Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Sounds like a good product, Pat.

Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.
Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi to all,

Aletes is also back from Martinique, to be in the Chesapeake for the summer, Rock Hall on the Eastern Shore. We would certainly be up for a get together.

Tom Peacock
Aletes SM #240

On May 9, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We are interested in getting together this Summer.
Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.

Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Sounds like a good product, Pat.


Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.

Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

We are interested in getting together this Summer.
Our boat is on a hard in Herrington Harbor now.

Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Tue, May 8, 2018, 21:28 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Sounds like a good product, Pat.


Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.

Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rivets for Head sail furling foil

James Alton
 

Vladimir,

   Thanks for the offer and I am glad that you did find the oversized rivets.  I don’t think that I want to use the flush heads because I don’t want to cut away any metal for the countersink so I will pass on your nice offer.  

   I have found that with rivets that are a bit too long that I can usually insert them as far as possible, pull them a bit with the tool which shortens the rivet and push them in the rest of the way.  You might try this with some scrap to be sure that this works on your new rivets.  The initial swelling usually starts near the end of the rivet so the shank should still be loose in the hole (thereby allowing you to insert the rivet further)  if you don’t pull on them too much.

  The rivets on my boat appear to be original so I am hoping that if I am careful removing the old ones that I can use stock 1/4” rivets.  I purchased the following from Fastenal:



Best of luck,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On May 8, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James, 

Thank you very much. I found oversized 1/4" diameter.  I want to get flush head, aluminum CR 3252.
Box of 100 is a minimum order.
What are you buying? 
Perhaps we can split the box 50-50. Are you interested?

I have some reservations on total length. It is 1mm longer than we have. Perhaps I have to drill inner tube. We will see.

Vladimir 
SM345

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 10:46 James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Vladimir,


   I am on the run today but will get back to this soon.  Below is part of an email from my engineering friend in Aerospace that contains suggestions on finding the oversized rivets.  I have definitely seen reference to the oversize rivets on the Cherry rivet site so they must exist.  Here is the Cherry link again,  see page 7


  Thank you for the warning about the 23mm maximum rivet length.  I ordered two sizes from Fastenal since I was unsure of the exact grip length so I think that one of those will fit.

Jim,

There are many blind fasteners made for aircraft by Cherry, Huck, etc.  Most are available "oversize" for rework.  I've seen aluminum rivets with stainless mandrels.  Most achieve good shear strength by breaking the mandrel at the head end, and retaining it.

Best,

James

SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On May 8, 2018, at 9:28 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Jams,

Thanks for the links, but unfortunately I can't open FASTENAL link and WONKEEDO link. Those are very important for me.
Cherryaerospace I can open but I don't see oversized rivets.

Pleese keep in mind that maximum rivet length that you can put in, is 23 mm long from the bottom of the head to the very end of the mandrel. If it is longer, you have to drill a second hole in the inner tube of the foil.

Vladimir 
SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD"

On Tue, May 8, 2018, 07:57 Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks James, good info.

Kent
S/V Kristy
Kent,

   I did not finish my research since it sounded like the 1/4” rivets might work for me so I did not source the oversized rivets.  I found some 1/4” (.255 OD) all Aluminum (alloy 5062 for the rivet body, the mandrel however is 7075) structural rivets at Fastenal with a higher shear strength (1300 lbs. min versus about 460) than the more common ones found at Marine stores and have those on order.  I will do some testing before using them on the boat.   I have some concerns about the 7075 mandrel. https://www.fastenal.com/content/product_specifications/RV.BH.STR.ALUM.ALUM.12.pdf

 here is what I found about the removal tool and the oversize rivets:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNq7EEAvvlA  Video of using the Rivet removal tool

http://www.cherryaerospace.com/product/blindrivets Mention of 1/64” oversize rivets


https://www.wonkeedonkeetools.co.uk/rivets/what-blind-rivet-sizes-are-available/:  Mention of 9/32” rivets but I did not follow up.

Best of luck,

James
SV Sueño
Maramu #220








Re: FW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat AV35F (complete)

John Clark
 

Ha!  Thanks Mark,  yes I am planning to purchase from Go2Marine.  My evaporator and thermostat look like they are in good condition.  I thought about the whole package but since the quick connections are all Frigoboat the new unit just bolts right up.


On Tue, May 8, 2018, 6:22 PM 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

 

John,

 

We replaced our units a couple of years ago. I would also suggest you replace the evaporator unit at the same time giving you an entire new box ready to last another 20 years. The evaporator unit is sold flat and you bend it to the size of the box (easy to do – I used a pvc pipe to aid the correct curl). The new condensing unit and evaporator will come pre-charge and all you have to do is connect the “quick connect” fittings.

 

The AV35F has the same footprint as the original systems and is very easy to swap.

 

Frigoboat, AV35F, Vertical Air Cooled Condensing Unit, 12/24 Volt

Frigoboat, 200F, Flat Evaporator

 

As an added FYI these units are also available in the USA at: www.go2marine.com

 

You can get Free shipping to the USVI via the Express US Postal service. The US Post will ship express at very reasonable rates to Peurto Rico and the USVI. Also, there is no duty or sales tax this way.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 8, 2018 10:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat AV35F

 

 

Hi All,

  My salon bench frig/freezer seems to have “retired.”  Luckily we where eating our way to the bottom of the freezer for cleaning when this occurred so we were able to relocate the little remaining perishable food to the other box..  I am looking at replacing the compressor unit with the Frigoboat AV 35F (part# E50025X) see at the link: http://www.penguinfrigo.co.uk/shop/product/280/

 

We are currently in St Thomas USVI.  Our next stop is St. Maarten followed by island hopping to Martinique . If anyone has any advice on replacement before I commit to the purchase, I am all ears.    

 

 

 FYI for the techies:  I am pretty sure the compressor is the part that has failed as it blows the 7.5amp fuse on the freezer control box under the seat.  The fuse does not blow if the compressor is disconnected.  The compressor windings are not shorted, reading 4.8 ohms each and open with respect to the compressor housing.  According to the manufacturer this is higher resistance than normal.    Fuse blows instantly when power is applied.  With compressor out of the circuit, the fuse does not blow and after 2 seconds the cooling fan starts.  The current unit I believe is original to the boat, and is a Frigoboat AV24.  

 

               Regards,  John

 

SV Annie, SM 37

Druif Bay , Water Island USVI 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sheet boom slider broken [1 Attachment]

eric freedman
 

Hi Steve,

How do you include a photo into text on

this site?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 12:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sheet boom slider broken [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from Stephen Morrison included below]

Hi Kent, 

 

I had the same crack when I bought TouRai and had it separate from the boom entirely on my first move from Lauderdale to Brunswick, GA. I had Houston from Nance and Underwood in Lauderdale make a new fitting that put all three attachment points on a single, much more substantial fitting. It slides in to the original T-track and has several screws that hold it in place along the track like the originals. I am very happy with it and have tremendously more confidence in it that the original separate fittings. I brought them my boom as there was damage to my track, but I suspect he could make one for you remotely as well. 

 

All the best,

Steve Morrison

SM380 TouRai

Hilton Head, SC

 


On May 8, 2018, at 12:11 PM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,
I just discovered that the main sheet connector at the boom is cracked/broken. The “T” has broken from the vertical part. Pics attached. Does anyone know who makes this part, size or part number?

What is it called?

Thanks, as usual, for any help.
Kent
SN 243
KRISTY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main sheet boom slider broken

karkauai
 

Thanks Steve.


On May 8, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I will take a few photos and some measurements and email them to you, but Houston did it all on his own. I just asked if it might be possible to combine them all and then picked up the boom a week later sandblasted, and powder coated with the track repaired and the new connector installed. 


As I recall it was either 1100 or 1400. He was apologetic for the cost and I just kept thinking how thrilled I was to have it all looking so good. When the piece ripped out it made a mess of the track

Steve
TouRai


On May 8, 2018, at 4:28 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hmmm, I’ll try that again.

Do you have drawings for the boom connector you had made?
Thanks
Kent
SM243
KRISTY

On May 8, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I didn’t knowingly do anything smart. I’m on my phone as was the photo, and while I was typing my response to you I just dropped down a couple lines (hit return) and then held my thumb on the cursor until the options pulled up (select, select all, quote level, >). I pressed the arrow on far right to take me to the second page of options and hit “insert photo or video” which took me to my photo library where I located the photo and hit “choose”. 


All the best, 
Steve
TouRai

On May 8, 2018, at 12:43 PM, karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks, Steve. How did you attach that pic?
Kent


ChesapeakeRendezvous?

karkauai
 

Sounds like a good product, Pat.

Let’s get together.  Anybody else on the Chesapeake (or anywhere else) want to have an Amel Rendezvous this Summer?

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy SM243
karkauai at yahoo.com
828-234-6819
St Michaels MD

On May 8, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Kent, I have been following your exploits and Diane picked up your AIS on Marine traffic when you left the Carolina's. The ColorWheelz  still looks brand new after at least eight years ,and we never cover it , other than the bimini . I wish I had the hand rail done . It probably provides electrical protection as well as good grip and looks great. I had the center hub of the wheel done , but its made from wood and I had a friend fabricate it out of aluminum , they can't cover wood.

Welcome Back,
Pat & Diane
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, May 8, 2018 12:52 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Steerring Wheel Cover

 
Hi Pat,
How is your ColorWheelzs helm wheel cover holding up? Do you keep it covered when not in use?

I’m thinking I’d like to do this to my wheel and the companionway hand rail.

Thanks and Hi to Diane.

I’m back inSt M, on a mooring in LeedsCteek until I can get my new anchor/chain delivered.
Kent
SM243
Kristy