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Re: Passerelle/Gangway on my AMEL 54 not working, Valve Problem?

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hello Martin, I had the same problem and fixed it by spray a little WD-40 in the little hole of the valves.Our boat  came with a little screwdriver fix near to the passarelle motor and pump. This former screwdriver was adjusted,so you can open the valves by pressing in the 2 mm hole. Try by operating the passarelle with the remote and press one valve by Hand.
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162
 






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 

Temperature gauges can't really be trusted completely. I have never seen an inaccurate laser temp gun, regardless of the price. You can take temperatures while the engine is running at the oil filter, or thermostat fitting; and it is probably going to be 80C +/- 5% at 1800 RPM under load. Lots of things can impact the temperature:
RPM
Load
Water Flow (restrictions)=seat chest restrictions, hose restrictions, Bowman oil cooler
Impeller Blade
Engine Thermostat
Engine Heat Exchanger
Transmission Oil Cooler if you have a Bowman Oil Cooler in-line between the sea chest and the engine
Other engine issues

Gook luck.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 7:32 AM, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Pat, on our boat (Yamar 4JH-3HTE) we usually run about 5F hotter at power vs normal cruising rpm of about 2000.  Always below about 182F on the gauge.  We also see an increase of a few degrees in warm water vs cold.  I think we had similar variation on our SN (Perkins M50).  I am curious how hot your engine was indicating and what other indicators of overheating you had.  I'm thinking that this is normal but only up to a poing.  What kind of increase do other owners see?


Bob, KAIMI SM429



Re: Opacmare Passerelle sticking Jamming Nylon sliding support seized AMEL 54

luvkante
 

Wolfgang, 

könntest Du mir noch ein paar Informationen geben, wie Du das Problem final gelöst hast?

Habe das gleiche Problem. CHIARA liegt in Antigua und ich werde in ein paar Tagen Richtung Europa aufbrechen, muss es also schnell irgendwie lösen.

Herzlichen Dank!

Martin
AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

rossirossix4
 

Hi Pat, on our boat (Yamar 4JH-3HTE) we usually run about 5F hotter at power vs normal cruising rpm of about 2000.  Always below about 182F on the gauge.  We also see an increase of a few degrees in warm water vs cold.  I think we had similar variation on our SN (Perkins M50).  I am curious how hot your engine was indicating and what other indicators of overheating you had.  I'm thinking that this is normal but only up to a poing.  What kind of increase do other owners see?

Bob, KAIMI SM429


New chartplotter and instruments

Duane Siegfri
 

I posted a photo of the helm Electronics on Wanderer, to give people ideas about how to add new instruments and chartplotter. I got the idea to put the NavPod close to the steering wheel from Steve Morrison on TouRai, in the place that the old autohelm control had been and I moved the autohelm control to the right where the B&G Hydra FFD had been. It all works very nicely that way. I also replaced the Hydra instruments with B&G instruments and covered up the old holes with a piece of quarter inch black plexiglass which looks really nice. I left space for 1/3 ffd if we decided we wanted that, or a new B&G autohelm would work there as well.

Duane
Wanderer SM477


Re: Access to A/C capacitors on Amel 54

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

Hi Christine, on our 2007 A54 the 12,000 BTU Climma is located under the settee in the salon.  By your description it is hard to tell if you have physically seen this unit or just a picture.  If I were going to check the capacitors on our unit I would remove the box which is usually held on by two screws to make it more convenient to access.  Be sure to turn off the power and let the capacitors sit to bleed the charge off or ground the terminals to ensure there is no residual charge.  I would take a picture of the unit before performing any tests to make sure you get the correct terminals back on the correct terminal posts.  You will also need a volt/ohm meter that measures capacitance.  The capacitor cannot be electrically connected to the system to measure.  You must remove at least the ground terminal and if you are not sure remove all terminals connected to the capacitor before measuring.  The size of the capacitor in microfarads will be listed on the face of the capacitor.

 

If you can visually inspect the capacitors many times when a capacitor fails it swells as if it is a soda can preparing to explode.  If you see a swollen capacitor it is virtually a 100% probability that it is bad.  However, a capacitor can be bad and not swell.

 

Since you are an Amel owner I am assuming you have some proficiency with a voltmeter.  You could trace the wires from the fan motor back to the control board and ensure you have power to the fan before disassembling the control board to check the capacitors. 

 

ALTERNATIVE - Remove the exhaust duct from the blower to verify the blower rotates freely.  Be very careful when you do this but, another check for a failed capacitor would be to  turn the unit on then and reach in with a long bladed screwdriver and give the fan blade a quick spin in its normal direction of rotation.  Do not let the screwdriver linger in the fan housing, if there is a bad capacitor the fan will start to rotate. 



Mark & Debbie Mueller

A54 – 68  Brass Ring

 Ftl Lauderdale

 


Bow Thruster - continuing problems

Duane Siegfri
 

I wrote in the forum earlier this year about problems with the bow thruster, which were solved with a new limit switch and a new crimp-on DC power connector to the on-off switch at the helm.


It has worked perfectly since January, until this morning when it blew three fuses in a row.  I was looking at the second fuse to blow when I noticed some corrosion on the contacts so tried a third one.  I'm thinking it has to be the jack screw motor.  I have checked to make sure the rigging wasn't bound up in some way but that appears to be OK to me.


Bill K noted this symptom might be a result of brush wear.  The jack screw motor on my boat has a rubber jacket, including the power wires going into the motor.  Has someone serviced the brushes on this motor before?  Does it even have brushes?  It's an SNT motor.


It looks like the only way to access the brushes is to cut away the rubber jacket.  I'm looking forward to hearing from someone who has had this trouble.


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Currently in Lake Worth, South of Peanut Island


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Passerelle/Gangway on my AMEL 54 not working, Valve Problem?

Courtney Gorman
 

We have had a similar issue with our Passerelle when it first occurred we had the hydraulics checked all fine with a lot of corrosion X and a little elbow grease we were able to get it to swing out and back and with more repetitions it moved more smoothly but every time we return to the boat we must repeat the procedure.  I believe there is a corrosion issue.

Courtney
svTrippin
54 #101
Marin

-----Original Message-----
From: luvkante@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 10:29 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Passerelle/Gangway on my AMEL 54 not working, Valve Problem?

 
Hi all,

The passerelle on my AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA is no longer working after a couple of month of not operating the boat. It goes UP and DOWN (so obviously the pump and one valve is working), but not IN and OUT and does not ROTATE  any longer.

I assume, it is a valve problem. Did anybody experience a similar problem and could he possibly solve it by manual activation of the valves or the pump?

I read in the thread that Wolfgang on ELISE had a similar problem, but don`t know, if he could resolve it.

Thank you for your help


Martin 
AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Passerelle/Gangway on my AMEL 54 not working, Valve Problem?

Porter McRoberts
 

All I know is they are notoriously finicky, break commonly and in the right circumstances very useful!  If you find a reasonable solution please let us know. Similar circumstances exist on Our boat. 

Very appreciated

Porter. 
Ibis 54-152 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On May 5, 2018, at 10:29 AM, luvkante@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,


The passerelle on my AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA is no longer working after a couple of month of not operating the boat. It goes UP and DOWN (so obviously the pump and one valve is working), but not IN and OUT and does not ROTATE  any longer.


I assume, it is a valve problem. Did anybody experience a similar problem and could he possibly solve it by manual activation of the valves or the pump?


I read in the thread that Wolfgang on ELISE had a similar problem, but don`t know, if he could resolve it.


Thank you for your help



Martin 

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Passerelle/Gangway on my AMEL 54 not working, Valve Problem?

luvkante
 

Hi all,


The passerelle on my AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA is no longer working after a couple of month of not operating the boat. It goes UP and DOWN (so obviously the pump and one valve is working), but not IN and OUT and does not ROTATE  any longer.


I assume, it is a valve problem. Did anybody experience a similar problem and could he possibly solve it by manual activation of the valves or the pump?


I read in the thread that Wolfgang on ELISE had a similar problem, but don`t know, if he could resolve it.


Thank you for your help



Martin 

AMEL 54 #149 CHIARA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I realize that temperature increases with an increase in rpm. I was getting laser readings of 210 at the thermostat while only at 2000 rpm , as a result I did not operate higher than that , but the temp would continue higher when I did. Running yesterday at 2000 to 2500 the guage never moved above 180. When I have time I am going out and run it hard and check again with the laser. I believe that a partially clogged elbow was my problem ,and I had not considered it,was not on my radar.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, May 5, 2018 7:14 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 
Pat,
 
It is normal for the temperature to increase a little with the increase of RPM or load. However, it should not cause the engine to exceed specs or overheat. Check the operating manual for normal temperature range for your engine.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising – Bonaire
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 4:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling
 
 
Mark, I have always insured that my impeller was in good shape and keep my heat exchanger clean. Excuse my ignorance , but does all the raw water pass through that channel ,I suppose it does . This was the first time I ever had the elbow off. It appears that I have stumbled onto the cause of a puzzling problem I have had for some time. When my rpms went up so did my temperature . Maybe having to take off and rebuild my turbo was a good thing. Cautionary note, I sucked up a paper towel left in the engine room into the air intake for the turbo. I am now putting a screen across the inlet to prevent anything from being suck in.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 3:38 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling
 
Pat,
 
Any obstruction on the salt-water cooling side before or after raw water pump is going to impede flow and cause the engine to run hot. So the answer is, yes.
 
The most common causes for a boat engine to run hot (assuming adequate water flow is available) is a damaged impeller or blocked heat exchanger/after cooler.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Bonaire
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling
 
 
I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

It is normal for the temperature to increase a little with the increase of RPM or load. However, it should not cause the engine to exceed specs or overheat. Check the operating manual for normal temperature range for your engine.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 4:16 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 

 

Mark, I have always insured that my impeller was in good shape and keep my heat exchanger clean. Excuse my ignorance , but does all the raw water pass through that channel ,I suppose it does . This was the first time I ever had the elbow off. It appears that I have stumbled onto the cause of a puzzling problem I have had for some time. When my rpms went up so did my temperature . Maybe having to take off and rebuild my turbo was a good thing. Cautionary note, I sucked up a paper towel left in the engine room into the air intake for the turbo. I am now putting a screen across the inlet to prevent anything from being suck in.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 3:38 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 

Pat,

 

Any obstruction on the salt-water cooling side before or after raw water pump is going to impede flow and cause the engine to run hot. So the answer is, yes.

 

The most common causes for a boat engine to run hot (assuming adequate water flow is available) is a damaged impeller or blocked heat exchanger/after cooler.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 

 

I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Access to A/C capacitors on Amel 54

galacsea2000 <no_reply@...>
 

My 2008 Amel 54 is equipped with Climma Compact 12 R EH units. The compressor works but the fan that is supposed to regulate fan speed does not start. I suspect that one or more of the 2 capacitors on this unit is/are dead. They are located under a grey box (with a removable black cover in the back) that is supported by a stainless steel plate. The capacitors are attached inside the vertical portion of this stainless steel plate by a plastic tie.

I cannot figure out how to get to these capacitors to check/replace them.

Any assistance will be deeply appreciated.

Christine
Galacsea 2



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Never having the elbow off , I never knew the interior design and the potential choke point for water flow . It had not been included in my thought process as a possible cause for elevated temps, as I scratched my head pondering yet once again, about a problem without a obvious solution . Now I can put the"petal to the metal", cool !
Thanks, 
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 
Pat,

The simple answer is that all the water that flows through the raw water system does go out the exhaust elbow.  But like so many things "boatish" the simple answer might not always be 100% correct...

On our Amel there is one other route for a small percentage of the water to take, and that is out the syphon break.  According to people who should know, the syphon break was a modification that Amel introduced into the production run close to the time ours was built.  So in your case, maybe, maybe not...

In any event... a significant restriction of water flow at the exhaust elbow would reduce total water flow through the system.  The additional back pressure would also probably reduce the lifespan of your impeller.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Royal Island Harbor, Bahamas.


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Mark, I have always insured that my impeller was in good shape and keep my heat exchanger clean. Excuse my ignorance , but does all the raw water pass through that channel ,I suppose it does . This was the first time I ever had the elbow off. It appears that I have stumbled onto the cause of a puzzling problem I have had for some time. When my rpms went up so did my temperature . Maybe having to take off and rebuild my turbo was a good thing. Cautionary note, I sucked up a paper towel left in the engine room into the air intake for the turbo. I am now putting a screen across the inlet to prevent anything from being suck in.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

greatketch@...
 

Pat,

The simple answer is that all the water that flows through the raw water system does go out the exhaust elbow.  But like so many things "boatish" the simple answer might not always be 100% correct...

On our Amel there is one other route for a small percentage of the water to take, and that is out the syphon break.  According to people who should know, the syphon break was a modification that Amel introduced into the production run close to the time ours was built.  So in your case, maybe, maybe not...

In any event... a significant restriction of water flow at the exhaust elbow would reduce total water flow through the system.  The additional back pressure would also probably reduce the lifespan of your impeller.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Royal Island Harbor, Bahamas.


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Mark, I have always insured that my impeller was in good shape and keep my heat exchanger clean. Excuse my ignorance , but does all the raw water pass through that channel ,I suppose it does . This was the first time I ever had the elbow off. It appears that I have stumbled onto the cause of a puzzling problem I have had for some time. When my rpms went up so did my temperature . Maybe having to take off and rebuild my turbo was a good thing. Cautionary note, I sucked up a paper towel left in the engine room into the air intake for the turbo. I am now putting a screen across the inlet to prevent anything from being suck in.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123



Gooseneck failure

James Cromie
 

I would like to find out from more experienced Amel owners if anyone has experienced a failure of the gooseneck, and if so, how did you jury rig a repair?

Thank you to everyone.  

James
Soteria
SM2000 347


Re: Exhaust elbow and cooling

greatketch@...
 

The short answer is... yes it can...

When I worked as service manager for a charter company, we had a half dozen J-105s with cute little 2 cylinder Yanmars. They were all set up with the "class legal" folding prop.  This prop was much too steeply pitched for the engine, and resulted in the engine running way below its rated rpm at full throttle.  And being J-105 sailors, they never did nothing at less than full throttle!

The result was the exhaust elbows were hopelessly clogged with soot and coke in 18 to 24 months of operation. We kept these elbows as stocked spare parts! 

One of the first symptoms, (if you missed the black smoke) was over heating as the water passages were restricted.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Royal Island Harbor, Bahamas

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I have always insured that my impeller was in good shape and keep my heat exchanger clean. Excuse my ignorance , but does all the raw water pass through that channel ,I suppose it does . This was the first time I ever had the elbow off. It appears that I have stumbled onto the cause of a puzzling problem I have had for some time. When my rpms went up so did my temperature . Maybe having to take off and rebuild my turbo was a good thing. Cautionary note, I sucked up a paper towel left in the engine room into the air intake for the turbo. I am now putting a screen across the inlet to prevent anything from being suck in.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2018 3:38 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 
Pat,
 
Any obstruction on the salt-water cooling side before or after raw water pump is going to impede flow and cause the engine to run hot. So the answer is, yes.
 
The most common causes for a boat engine to run hot (assuming adequate water flow is available) is a damaged impeller or blocked heat exchanger/after cooler.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Bonaire
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling
 
 
I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

Any obstruction on the salt-water cooling side before or after raw water pump is going to impede flow and cause the engine to run hot. So the answer is, yes.

 

The most common causes for a boat engine to run hot (assuming adequate water flow is available) is a damaged impeller or blocked heat exchanger/after cooler.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:18 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

 

 

I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.

Thanks,

Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Exhaust elbow and cooling

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi pat. If it was blocked enough to significantly slow the salt water flow I guess it could. The fact that now the motor runs cooler seems to suggest that to be the case 

Regards

Danny

SM  299

Ocean Pearl


On 05 May 2018 at 07:18 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I think my boat has been running hot for for a couple of years . I just ran it for about 45 minutes after launching and it ran much cooler than previously. The only thing I have done , is that I cleaned the exhaust elbow, it was not that bad. However I also reamed out the channel that I believe water passes through. My question... If that channel is partially blocked would that result in the engine runner hotter.

Thanks,
Pat SM#123