I was always a regular reader of Brion Toss' forum.  I was disappointed when it became too much trouble to maintain.  Lots of really good information buried in there.  He is one of the people I have "met" through his writing who I really would like to meet personally. 

Can my boom hit the backstay?  Yes.  But... No.  

YES: The geometry of the rig would allow the boom to hit the back stay. (I just had to go on deck to check.) 

But NO: Amel, having thought of everything, has put a "permanent" vang on the boat.  A length of 3-strand nylon (stretchy!) from the boom to the base of the mast. Its primary purpose is to keep the boom from rising when unfurling the sail. It also prevents the boom from rising high enough to impact the backstay in a jibe.  It is long enough that it has no real effect on sail trim in any normal situation.

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Bill,

   Thanks for your input and advice.  That is a good point about being sure to bring the traveller all of the way to the leeward side when sailing at an angle that could possibly result in a gybe.  

    I am curious about whether the boom on your boat can actually hit the backstay?    Have you tried raising it using the topping lift, then swinging it back and forth to see?   The main boom on my boat clears the backstay even when lifted so that it is perpendicular to the backstay, but not by much!  

   On the subject of shock loads (such as from jibing) and elasticity, I came across this snip from a forum response by Brian Toss whom I feel knows his stuff pretty well.  

"Shock loads are relative to acceleration and elasticity. They can be quantified and included in design load calculations if desired. The short form here is that the materials you are likely to use appropriately are also appropriate for any shock loads, if they are scaled to the design load, times a safety factor. As a counter-example, I've seen main sheets and vangs break gear when owners ill-advisedly replaced Dacron with HM line.

Brian’s complete post can be found at:  http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=5662

Best,

James

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

  

 

Paul,

If the motor runs at speed after hand starting, you can bet the start capacitor is the most likely cause.  

Unfortunately, I can't help you with the specifications for those, I have the DC only version of the watermaker.

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

 

Roger,

 

We used Nabela to do some upholstery work for us when we were in Grenada last year. They did a very good job.

 

Nabela

Owner: Larry Carter

Phone: 473-444-5460 or 473-535-8299

 

Also, you are not far from Martinique and could get Amel to do the work (they will sub it out but will make sure it is done properly)

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2018 2:51 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bimini replacement cost

 

 

We are looking to replace our canvas. What should we expect to pay. Does anyone have suggestions as to who would be good? We are in Prickly Bay, Grenada.

Roger Mehan
Surreal SM204

On Jun 4, 2018, at 8:54 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I was always a regular reader of Brion Toss' forum.  I was disappointed when it became too much trouble to maintain.  Lots of really good information buried in there.  He is one of the people I have "met" through his writing who I really would like to meet personally. 

Can my boom hit the backstay?  Yes.  But... No.  

YES: The geometry of the rig would allow the boom to hit the back stay. (I just had to go on deck to check.) 

But NO: Amel, having thought of everything, has put a "permanent" vang on the boat.  A length of 3-strand nylon (stretchy!) from the boom to the base of the mast. Its primary purpose is to keep the boom from rising when unfurling the sail. It also prevents the boom from rising high enough to impact the backstay in a jibe.  It is long enough that it has no real effect on sail trim in any normal situation.

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

   Thanks for your input and advice.  That is a good point about being sure to bring the traveller all of the way to the leeward side when sailing at an angle that could possibly result in a gybe.  

    I am curious about whether the boom on your boat can actually hit the backstay?    Have you tried raising it using the topping lift, then swinging it back and forth to see?   The main boom on my boat clears the backstay even when lifted so that it is perpendicular to the backstay, but not by much!  

   On the subject of shock loads (such as from jibing) and elasticity, I came across this snip from a forum response by Brian Toss whom I feel knows his stuff pretty well.  

"Shock loads are relative to acceleration and elasticity. They can be quantified and included in design load calculations if desired. The short form here is that the materials you are likely to use appropriately are also appropriate for any shock loads, if they are scaled to the design load, times a safety factor. As a counter-example, I've seen main sheets and vangs break gear when owners ill-advisedly replaced Dacron with HM line.

Brian’s complete post can be found at:  http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=5662

Best,

James

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

  

On 05 June 2018 at 11:28 "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,

   Thanks for your input and advice.  That is a good point about being sure to bring the traveller all of the way to the leeward side when sailing at an angle that could possibly result in a gybe.  

    I am curious about whether the boom on your boat can actually hit the backstay?    Have you tried raising it using the topping lift, then swinging it back and forth to see?   The main boom on my boat clears the backstay even when lifted so that it is perpendicular to the backstay, but not by much!  

   On the subject of shock loads (such as from jibing) and elasticity, I came across this snip from a forum response by Brian Toss whom I feel knows his stuff pretty well.  

" Shock loads are relative to acceleration and elasticity. They can be quantified and included in design load calculations if desired. The short form here is that the materials you are likely to use appropriately are also appropriate for any shock loads, if they are scaled to the design load, times a safety factor. As a counter-example, I've seen main sheets and vangs break gear when owners ill-advisedly replaced Dacron with HM line.

Brian’s complete post can be found at:   http://www.briontoss.com/spartalk/showthread.php?p=5662

Best,

James

SV Sueño

Maramu #220

  

On May 30, 2018, at 7:12 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I'll have to think about the gooseneck, and how it changes things...  a good thought...  And I agree the elasticity of the mainsheet can help... but only to a point.  If the mainsheet stretches enough to allow the boom to hit the shrouds, more problems can occur than are solved.

There is another really important piece of the puzzle, that someone else mentioned earlier in this discussion.  The position of the traveler has a huge impact on the amount of damage that can happen in a gybe.  

If the traveler is centered, and the boom is eased out only with the mainsheet, a gybe can be really dangerous.  With that much mainsheet out, the boom can rise when it crosses, when the mainsail goose-wings around the mast.  It can rise enough to actually hit the backstay as it comes across.  If the boom was out touching (or very close to touching) the aft lower shroud, when it comes across i t can impact the aft lower shroud on the other side.  Both of these scenarios are potentially disastrous both to the boom--and the rig itself.

If the traveler is all the way over to the leeward side, then these problems can't happen, or at least are minimized, because the mainsheet is so much shorter, and the boom is stopped halfway across, before it can get really moving.

One of the things I really love about the Amel set up is that the traveler is long enough to actually be really useful as a sail trim tool. When sailing anything upwind of a beam reach, we  adjust the traveler far more often than we do the mainsheet.  If we are sailing downwind, the traveler is always (no exceptions--ever) eased down to the leeward side.

There are aways two parts to preventing damage in an accidental gybe.  First is avoid the gybe in the first place.  A nice idea, but it will happen to e verybody.  The second part is to be sure the boat is set up so damage is avoided or minimized.

Bill Kinney

SM160,   Harmonie

Deltaville, VA, USA

 

 

 

Hi Dieter,

I have looked into having one machined in plastic, or cast in aluminum, both too expensive.  One possibility is home casting in plastic as I have a sample from another boat to work with.  I'll let you know.

Steve,

MACCABEE

Sharki #121