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Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

eric freedman
 

Rig Rite might also have the blocks, They are up in Rhode island.  https://rigrite.com/Spars/SparParts/Sheaves.php.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ryan Meador
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 3:35 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thank you very much for the info. We might want to replace our cars soon, but what we're looking for right now are the blocks (pulleys) that are at the aft ends of the tracks.

 

Ryan and Kelly

SM 233 Iteration

Boston, MA, USA

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:19 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 
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antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

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Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

eric freedman
 

HI,

When you eventually get the thruster apart,. I would suggest you take the motor to a rebuild shop. . There is an open roller bearing at the bottom of the motor where the tube enters the motor. I would bet you that that bearing is also terribly rusted and needs replacing. I would have the motor gone over while you have it out.

 

About every 8 months I drop the bow thruster enough to grease the spline on the bow thruster and put a bunch of grease up into the receptacle for the spline.

18 years and it drops out like a cannon ball.

 

In addition you can replace the lip seal and donuts that are inside the boat if it looks like it need it.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 1:12 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bow Thruster Siezed

 

Hi Ellen,
In addition to what you're doing and Bill Rouse's suggestions (sans Amel tool) I was finally successful by using a chain wrench around the motor flange along with a 2' extension pipe for added leverage. I would torque it in one direction and apply as much force as I thought it would take. Then I'd reverse it and twist the opposite direction. After several repetitions it finally budged just a fraction. After more back and forth repetitions and it came free. I used that technique on mine and also another Santorin - worked very well.
Good luck with it!  Craig

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Mike,

Thank you very much for the info. We might want to replace our cars soon, but what we're looking for right now are the blocks (pulleys) that are at the aft ends of the tracks.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA




On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:19 PM Mike Ondra via groups.io <mdondra=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

 

Re: Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Ryan,

We replaced our cars in 2016, exactly as original as custom made for Amel by Antal Italy.

US distributor Euro Marine Trading in Newport, RI. Very good to work with.

Hope they are still available. Good luck.

Mike Ondra,

Aletes SM#240

Currently stuck/vacationing in San Juan, PR eager to head home to the Chesapeake. That is Aletes, not her owners.

 

Mike,

You received the quote from Antal Italy in Euros, you pay the same amount converted into US$. Which currently is  x1.12.

They will be shipped from our warehouse in. Newport/RI

They are currently not in stock in Newport but can be included in the next shipment from Italy to Newport.

Since this is a non-working product, the order is final and shall have to be prepaid by credit card.

You may confirm your order by calling the EMT office at 401-849-0060.  Ask for Annelies.

Regards

Siebe

Euro Marine Trading

From: Roberto Carraro [mailto:rc@...]
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 6:54 AM
To: mdondra@...
Cc: Siebe Noordzy <siebe@...>
Subject: Fwd: RE: genoa car for SAmel

we can offe a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

Mike,
here attached required picture , this is a special car we did for Amel , we still have some in stock...
Euromarine trading , antal distributor for USA, will send you an offer  including transport to :

 

we can offer a 40x8 genoa car with a sheave for the sheet diameter 75mm  and 44 mm thick and with two beckets , one in front and one in the back and without stop pin
 price : 232.00 euro
transport is not included .
payment : credit card
delivery : two weeks
regards

 

antal srl unipersonale
via del progresso 10 - 35127 padova italy  - 
www.antal.it
tel.
++39 049 8701265 / 8702655 fax ++39 049 760906

 

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Ellen,
In addition to what you're doing and Bill Rouse's suggestions (sans Amel tool) I was finally successful by using a chain wrench around the motor flange along with a 2' extension pipe for added leverage. I would torque it in one direction and apply as much force as I thought it would take. Then I'd reverse it and twist the opposite direction. After several repetitions it finally budged just a fraction. After more back and forth repetitions and it came free. I used that technique on mine and also another Santorin - worked very well.
Good luck with it!  Craig

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

Trevor Lusty
 

Hi Ellen,
             There might be another way, but you will need a lot of time energy and patience. The bow thruster on my SM jammed solid a few years ago in Mexico and it would not move. After several days trying to get it out, It became obvious that any more dropping or hammering was going to damage the boat.
So, I removed it complete with the motor stuck to the shaft from the inside of the boat. It took a full three days, dawn to dusk to remove and replace.
The complete unit weighs around 80lbs . You need to be really careful to mark all the electrical cables as on the SM there were lots of black ones!
If you consider going this way, be sure that all power is isolated.
The position of the limit switches is really important to ensure that the bow thruster will retract properly when serviced and replaced.
It is a nightmare of a job but it can be done.
When we finally got it out it couldn't be pulled or pressed apart, so it had to heated to white hot before it broke apart.
Bill  has Kindly renewed my membership in the hope that this message may be of some help to you.
Good luck.

Trevor Lusty
Former owner Seafever of Cuan
SM 425
Ireland

Parts or replacements for Antal 120x18 genoa sheet blocks

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,

As we prepare for the sailing season this spring, we've noticed our genoa sheet blocks are in pretty bad shape.  Some of the ball bearings are cracked or crushed.  At the very least, I think the bearings need to be replaced.  I wouldn't be opposed to replacing the whole blocks.

Does anyone know where I can get replacements?  I've looked around on the Antal website and they don't seem to make this exact model anymore (they still make it in larger sizes though).  This block is the closest I've been able to find, but it looks like the shackle can only be at 90 degree angles (the existing blocks have the shackle set at about 45 degrees and it doesn't seem possible to rotate).  Would it work?  That shackle angle seems pretty important to me.  I also discovered this replacement sheave which looks like it might fit our existing blocks, but I'd probably have to contact Antal to confirm.

Thanks,

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

Re: Bow Thruster Siezed

 

I saw your photo with the jack pushing the coupling upward. Am I mistaken that it has moved 6-8mm?

This should be a warning to everyone with a bow thruster prior to the Side-Power in A-54's that service on this valuable component is important. I recommend service every 2 years.

Back to your issue. Of course, I do not know all of the details and long-distance diagnosis is problematic, but here are a few things that you may not know:
  1. That bow thruster tube is probably impossible to get at any price. It may be possible that Amel will either have one sitting on a shelf or make one. I doubt it, but you should write and ask SAV"at"amel.fr.
  2. Later model bow thrusters had a 60mm composite tube. Amel fabricated a 60mm tool for the purpose of removing a stuck tube from the motor base of later model bow thrusters. It is possible to make your self or get from Amel when they reopen from the current shut down.
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  3. The most important thing you need in this process is patience. How long have you left the jack under pressure?
  4. Don't use heat as you will likely damage the tube and of course cutting it will put you out of service forever.
  5. You might consider sealing the bow thruster from the outside with resin and glass which you remove later when you have a solution.
  6. There is a high-carbon steel shaft inside the composite tube.
  7. You might want to look at the high-quality photos here:  http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:29 AM Ellen Cahill <ellencahill@...> wrote:
Hi everyone! 

I was hoping somebody could help with a particularly troublesome bow thruster. We bought out Mango 3 years ago and we have been doing short sails while slowly refurbishing her. 

We have a number of times attempted to remove the bow thruster foot assembly to no avail. This past winter it started leaking so now it has to be removed to replace the seals. I've no idea if the previous owner had ever removed it.

We have removed the 4 bolts but the shaft is jammed in the rust encrusted top motor assembly. We have since
- applied vibration with a sander
- sprayed penetrative oil in the 4 holes (every day for a week)
- tapped with a hammer
- dropped it about 10 times
- put a stick between the bottom v section and the hull while jacking up the motor assembly from the inside. Slowly applying more press and oil over a week.

It hasn't moved at all. The leak is unacceptable so we are now considering cutting the shaft or motor holder. Really not ideal. 

Anyone have suggestions of what to try next? 
What is the black shaft made from?  What's inside the composite shaft?
Can you buy this foot assembly from Amel? Idea on cost?

 Thanks for any help! 

Bow Thruster Siezed

Ellen Cahill
 

Hi everyone! 

I was hoping somebody could help with a particularly troublesome bow thruster. We bought out Mango 3 years ago and we have been doing short sails while slowly refurbishing her. 

We have a number of times attempted to remove the bow thruster foot assembly to no avail. This past winter it started leaking so now it has to be removed to replace the seals. I've no idea if the previous owner had ever removed it.

We have removed the 4 bolts but the shaft is jammed in the rust encrusted top motor assembly. We have since
- applied vibration with a sander
- sprayed penetrative oil in the 4 holes (every day for a week)
- tapped with a hammer
- dropped it about 10 times
- put a stick between the bottom v section and the hull while jacking up the motor assembly from the inside. Slowly applying more press and oil over a week.

It hasn't moved at all. The leak is unacceptable so we are now considering cutting the shaft or motor holder. Really not ideal. 

Anyone have suggestions of what to try next? 
What is the black shaft made from?  What's inside the composite shaft?
Can you buy this foot assembly from Amel? Idea on cost?

 Thanks for any help! 

Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

Alan Leslie
 

We have had a genoa furling solenoid fail on that board. We now carry two spares.
I concur with Bill, the whole assembly comes out with a long loom, very easy to work on, and of course for testing voltages etc.
Same goes for the board that holds the main furler solenoids in the top of the aft wall of the forward head.
Very well thought out - more Amel stuff to appreciate!
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 - Covid bound in New Zealand

Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Thanks, all! I'll give it a go and report back later. And Bill, THANKS for that tip. It'll make all the difference in the world to getting me up off the couch and into the forecabin to start :)

Re: Gas springs on the aft Lasarett

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Paul! I think of losing toes every time I close that thing :) But thinking on it now, it would be far easier and not mess with the access like struts would, if you just took a foot long piece of fat pool noodle and tied it to one corner of the locker with a short line. When you open it, you flip up the noodle. If it falls, the noodle takes the brunt of it, not your toe....  

Re: 𝘼𝙢𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙡𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙏𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙

 


Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 6:40 PM sbmesasailor via groups.io <sbmesasailor=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill,

I'm glad you noted "world tour" rather than circumnavigated as that allows a wider interpretation.

Maramu 121 Libertad 2017 Dennis & Virginia Johns SailBlog: s/v Libertad

Re: 𝘼𝙢𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙡𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙖 𝙒𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙 𝙏𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙨𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙗𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙙

sbmesasailor
 

Hi Bill,

I'm glad you noted "world tour" rather than circumnavigated as that allows a wider interpretation.

Maramu 121 Libertad 2017 Dennis & Virginia Johns SailBlog: s/v Libertad

Re: Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

eric freedman
 

Did you drop a note to Alexandre formerly of Nikimat. He had a ton of unused spares.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Smith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

 

Does anybody have a source they can share?

 

We are working on an Amel 54 and have found the Diruptor 60 AMP breaker for the staysail furler has failed.  Getting Diruptor breakers in the USA is always a challenge, but between this larger size breaker and the general disruptions right now I am coming up totally blank.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  This is a Diruptor “Yellow Series Breaker”, also called the “7500 series”  Single pole, 60 Amp.

In the past, we have gotten Diruptor brand breakers from Plastimo distributors, but they do not stock sizes larger than 32 amps.

Thanks!
Karen & Bill 
s/v Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, US

Re: Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

eric freedman
 

Hi Did you ask Maud if she can get you one? Considering the price of FedEx, I would order a few other breakers at the same time.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Germain Jean-Pierre
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2020 5:56 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

 

I found some at LEGRAND ELECTRICS in France... some years ago...

 

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera,SM007, NZ



On 4/04/2020, at 10:44 AM, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:



Does anybody have a source they can share?

 

We are working on an Amel 54 and have found the Diruptor 60 AMP breaker for the staysail furler has failed.  Getting Diruptor breakers in the USA is always a challenge, but between this larger size breaker and the general disruptions right now I am coming up totally blank.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  This is a Diruptor “Yellow Series Breaker”, also called the “7500 series”  Single pole, 60 Amp.

In the past, we have gotten Diruptor brand breakers from Plastimo distributors, but they do not stock sizes larger than 32 amps.

Thanks!
Karen & Bill 
s/v Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, US

Re: Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

I found some at LEGRAND ELECTRICS in France... some years ago...

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera,SM007, NZ


On 4/04/2020, at 10:44 AM, Karen Smith via groups.io <karenharmonie@...> wrote:



Does anybody have a source they can share?

 

We are working on an Amel 54 and have found the Diruptor 60 AMP breaker for the staysail furler has failed.  Getting Diruptor breakers in the USA is always a challenge, but between this larger size breaker and the general disruptions right now I am coming up totally blank.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  This is a Diruptor “Yellow Series Breaker”, also called the “7500 series”  Single pole, 60 Amp.

In the past, we have gotten Diruptor brand breakers from Plastimo distributors, but they do not stock sizes larger than 32 amps.

Thanks!
Karen & Bill 
s/v Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, US

Does anybody have a source for the Dirupter 60 Amp breaker?

Karen Smith
 

Does anybody have a source they can share?

 

We are working on an Amel 54 and have found the Diruptor 60 AMP breaker for the staysail furler has failed.  Getting Diruptor breakers in the USA is always a challenge, but between this larger size breaker and the general disruptions right now I am coming up totally blank.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  This is a Diruptor “Yellow Series Breaker”, also called the “7500 series”  Single pole, 60 Amp.

In the past, we have gotten Diruptor brand breakers from Plastimo distributors, but they do not stock sizes larger than 32 amps.

Thanks!
Karen & Bill 
s/v Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, US

Re: Chain counter

Jim Anderson
 

Hi William,

 

ON SM384 the Display of meters will power off if you press and hold the button for about 15 seconds. The amber LED on the port side of windlass itself will go out if I turn off both the switch and the circuit breaker for the “Guindeau” (surely spelled wrong as I’m not aboard), in the forward cabin, forward, port locker. Hope this helps,

 

Jim

SM384

Sirena Azul

Seattle

Re: Windlass/Genoa Furler electrical problem, circuit breaker bad?

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Davi - to add to Jamie's comment, I've had 4 or 5 breakers fail since my boat reached about 15 years old. Your A54 is getting to that point, so I wouldn't consider it surprising to see a failure. Fortunately, and as designed, the failures leave the breaker open.
Craig