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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Kostas Ioannidis <kostas_ioannidis@...>
 

Thanks Steve!

Best regards,
Helen and Kostas

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 9:25:28 PM GMT+3, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

My memory is a little foggy, but I believe I paid $1100.00 total for the pinion and large gear. 

Best Regards,

Steve

On Jul 9, 2018, at 08:13, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,

Thanks!
Yes we have spoken to Amel and they said that there are no spare parts, but have sent us the plans to try and have it fixed.
We will check with Emek marine to see if they still have spare parts though.
How expensive were they?

Best regards,
Helen and Kostas


On Monday, July 9, 2018, 8:22:31 PM GMT+3, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Kostas,

Have you checked with Amel to see if they still have them in stock? We were able to purchase the pinion and the gear from Emek Marine in Turkey in 2014. They were a bit expensive, but they seemed to be OEM parts for the furler. 

Good luck with your project. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 01:29, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John ,

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)
If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.
We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.
Thanks again!!

Best,
Kostas and Helen 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Kostas Ioannidis <kostas_ioannidis@...>
 

Thanks John!!

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018, 12:20:59 AM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

HI KOSTAS AND HELEN

The trick may be to locate someone with a computerised gear cutting equipment. We needed to use two people……..one who had a machine to resurface the worm drive (400 km away in Christchurch)  the second in our town to make a new gear. The other key issue was to find a piece of suitable alloy from which to cut the new gear.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

From: on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]"
Reply-To:
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 11:33 PM
To: "John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners]"
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Hi John ,

 

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)

If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.

We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.

Thanks again!!

 

Best,

Kostas and Helen 

 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]"
Reply-To:
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Kostas Ioannidis <kostas_ioannidis@...>
 

Hi Leopold,

Thanks!!
It’s 
helenmi57@...

Best Regards,
Helen and Kostas

On Tuesday, July 10, 2018, 8:46:10 AM GMT+3, leopold.hauer@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi  Helen and Kostas.

 I had the same problem  in january  this year.  Amel was not able to support with spare parts. Finally I found the parts ( full servicekit with worm-gear  and bronce-wheel , bearings and seals) in switzerland.  The only problem ist,that the wormgear is for a super maramu 2000, that means  the flange  fur the motor drive-shaft is different to older super maramus,  but for a machine shop it is easy to fix.

Please send me a privat mailing address than i give you more details and Photos.

Best regards

Leopold

YinYang   SM#69
Downwind sail for Amel 54

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

We need to replace our 10year old Genaker that died in the Atlantic ocean crossing. 

We are looking for a sail that can:

1. Be poled out opposite to the poled out genoa for 150°-210° downwind sailing (our 54 has the 3 pole attachment mast foot, 1 forward and two side),

2. sustain robust trade winds in that configuration (say up to 18knt apparent wind, 27 true wind). Or in other words such that we can near hull speed before we need to take it down to protect the sail itself. Our Genaker was  old and tired but it always felt a bit too light for the intended purposes,

3. be suitable for furler-emmagasinneur furling (A54 don’t have the SM ballooner setup, sadly)

4. Ideally, could also perform for reaching in light winds. Our hydranet sails are heavy and need 10kn apparent wind to fly properly. In other words, a sail to complement the beloved secret sail (mizzen staysail) in the prevalent conditions (150° to 100° awa).

5. Ideally, survive tropical sun as best as possible,

We spoke to sailmakers and I felt they are not very accustomed to the needs of long term cruising boats with ketch rigging. 

So i’m seeking feedback from the experienced sailors of this group, to see if there is a compromise to these requirements.


Many thanks in advance,


Thomas 
GARULFO 
A54-122
Curacao 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

eric freedman
 

Hi Leopold,

Please also send me the contact information.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

Kimberliteatoptonlinedotnet

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:43 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Hi  Helen and Kostas.

 I had the same problem  in january  this year.  Amel was not able to support with spare parts. Finally I found the parts ( full servicekit with worm-gear  and bronce-wheel , bearings and seals) in switzerland.  The only problem ist,that the wormgear is for a super maramu 2000, that means  the flange  fur the motor drive-shaft is different to older super maramus,  but for a machine shop it is easy to fix.

Please send me a privat mailing address than i give you more details and Photos.

Best regards

Leopold

YinYang   SM#69
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Leopold Hauer
 

Hi  Helen and Kostas.

 I had the same problem  in january  this year.  Amel was not able to support with spare parts. Finally I found the parts ( full servicekit with worm-gear  and bronce-wheel , bearings and seals) in switzerland.  The only problem ist,that the wormgear is for a super maramu 2000, that means  the flange  fur the motor drive-shaft is different to older super maramus,  but for a machine shop it is easy to fix.

Please send me a privat mailing address than i give you more details and Photos.

Best regards

Leopold

YinYang   SM#69
leak in saloon drain hose

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,

I have noticed a very slow leak in the drain hose that runs from the forward watertight bulkhead, beneath the floor in the saloon, to the area beneath the companionway.  It fills the space beneath the companionway stairs with water.  I think the leak is at the fitting where the dishwasher drain and air conditioning condensate T into it:



I'm unsure if the leak is between the hose and the fitting, or the fitting itself has cracked.  I'm afraid to take it apart without a plan.  I'm wondering if someone can help me with a few questions:
  1. does this thing come apart?  it looks like the parts are glued, except the hose clamps
  2. what is the white part in the middle?
  3. do you know the inside diameters of the hoses?  is there anything special about the material of the one that runs the length of the saloon?
Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking rudder

Alan Leslie
 

Welcome Arthur,
You will find a lot of very useful information here
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Steve,

Got it and have added to my list.  Per my post let's shift to email.  
sangaris at aol dot com

Send me an email so i have your email and I'l update when I hear from Maud.

Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <flyboyscd@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,

Thanks for doing all the leg work on this. I’d take at least 10, but depending on price, would at least double that order. My theory is that I’ve already had 2 failures, and due to the age of the boat, would expect many more during my ownership. I also have a Swiss friend with an older SM who needs some. He is in Switzerland now, and I’ll let him know. 

Steve 
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 04:39, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I posted this and several others replied they needed them too, I wrote back to Maud, telling her that, and she has now written to me saying she may be able to get them after all, now that there is a known demand.  I'm waiting for her to write back and give me pricing.


I'd like to give her a firm order and will be happy to coordinate for the US contingent.  That is, I can place a bulk order and then break it out to others within the US, rather than have Maud send several overseas shipments,  From the replies posted on the DB so far: 
Miles - Ladybug in Newport -  "4 or 5"
Ryan & Kelle - Iteration in Boston  -  "a couple"
Jose Venegas - Impanema in Boston  -  "5"
Steve Davis - Aloha in Hawaii   - "some"
John Clark - ?  in ?   -   "yes"
Kent Robertson - Kristy in St Michaels -  ? 
Craig Briggs - Sangaris - in Boca Raton -  need one, if price is right would take 10 or more

John on Annie in Martinique wanted "some" but may be better off dealing with Amel Carribbean (or  not)

Anyway, I'll keep you posted on what Maud says.  In the meantime, let's take this off-line of the regular forum traffic.  Drop me an email to sangaris@...  (that's sangaris at aol.com).  We don't need to do anything firm until Maud gives us the pricing.  I also asked her to clarify if we can buy the chrome pulls separate from the brown plastic latching part.  If the pulls are inexpensive I've got a lot that are corroding and could use freshening up - I think there's about 40 in total on my SN.

Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, parked in Brunswick, GA (I'm in Boca Raton) sangaris@...


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Maud informed me that Amel no longer has the old push-button rectangular drawer pulls. 
Has anyone found a source or a good replacement?


Many thanks, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris
Re: engine cruising RPM

william_maffei@...
 

Hey Ryan -

I run It's all Good around 1800-2000 which gives me 6.5 - 7 knots depending on conditions. If I am motor sailing the throttle gets dropped to 1400-1600 and I usually yield the same speed. I do run it at 2800-3000 for about 5 minutes during each day to "blow out" the carbon build up and spool up the turbo, this RPM pushes me around 8.6-9knots. I am also running a Yanmar 4JH4-HTE. Sounds like Mark from Creampuff runs his ship the exact same way I do. 

Cheers,

Bill Maffei
It's all Good 
SM #195
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

JOHN HAYES
 

HI KOSTAS AND HELEN

The trick may be to locate someone with a computerised gear cutting equipment. We needed to use two people……..one who had a machine to resurface the worm drive (400 km away in Christchurch)  the second in our town to make a new gear. The other key issue was to find a piece of suitable alloy from which to cut the new gear.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

From: on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]"
Reply-To:
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 11:33 PM
To: "John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners]"
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Hi John ,

 

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)

If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.

We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.

Thanks again!!

 

Best,

Kostas and Helen 

 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

 

 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]"
Reply-To:
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..."
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking rudder

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Bill,  I and My wife. Anna love our SM already., it has more Then we need and it is our new home for many years to come.
Kind Regards 
Arthur

Skickat från min iPhone

9 juli 2018 kl. 20:00 skrev Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Arthur,

I am certain that you will really like your Super Maramu.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:55 PM 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for answer. Bill!

It is SM 435 and new for us...
We are taking her home to Sweden from  France at the moment.....
Best Regards 
Arthur

Skickat från min iPhone

9 juli 2018 kl. 17:23 skrev Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

That depends on whether the packing is OEM, or not. Assuming you have a SM or 54, tighten the large plastic nut 1 face. You will have to remove the mechanical nut lock, usually on 1 face of the nut.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system..


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:06 AM 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The rudder is leaking is little while under way with autopilot . How to stop that completely?

Skickat från min iPhone
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] On the Krow, no problems.

Duane Siegfri
 

It was definitely Jane (I think???).  She made a point of "just plain Jane".

They own a Beneteau 57 now and spend the season in the Bahamas.

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

Ryan Meador
 

Thank you all for the info.  As I predicted going in, there is no simple answer.  But I think I have some guides now.

Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:06 PM Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Amen Porter well said 


On Jul 8, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Teun,

Mostly true. New long block 800 hours ago and New injectors about 400 hours ago. 
It is a common rail. 
On a different topic. We’re currently stuck in panama with a bad boost pressure sensor. 
I have envy of anyone who can unplug the computer and have the engine run. 
The concept that a computer controlled engine be installed in a world cruising sailboat seems antithetical to the purpose of a sailboat, and to ours in particular. 
I’ve been training (at your knees, and especially Bill R’s) for the past year to be as self sufficient as possible, and to be thwarted by a stray electron underscores how vulnerable we are. Our cruising buddies are on a 1984 trintella. Sailed from Croatia. They are in year #5. Old Perkins runs like a boss. I asked my buddy, who is in his own right a Jedi of machinery, how often he changes his fuel filters.  He chuckled.  “I don’t think I’ve needed to do that” he said. Pressure’s good. Engine runs well. 
I had engine envy. Not that the Volvo isn’t a fine piece of hardware, but.... it’s the intersection of important and complicated. Not a good combo. Like I say. Thank God for sails, and the fact that we sailors got around just fine for the first 1000 years without motors. 

In short. Seems like diesels (or the industry and associated standards) took a step back in the past 15 years putting efficiency over simplicity. I think Nigel Calder would agree. 

Have wonderful Sundays. Without this motor glitch we wouldn’t have seen the incredibly beautiful town of El Valle up here in the Panamanian cordillera. 

Porter, Helen and crew
S/V Ibis
54-152
Panama City



On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:30 PM, Teun BAAS teun@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

 

I understood you had a new VOLVO installed. If so, and it is a common rail, then there is NO need to run the engine on high rpms to “burn out the soot”.

 

This is the specific instruction I got this week from the SYDNEY VOLVO technician installing my VOLVO D3 110 H here in NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA.

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT  54 – 128

NOUMEA NEW CALEDONIA

Jul 08, 2018   10:27:44

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2018 10:24 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 

 

Thanks Mark. 

If temp is the final data point, we cruise at about 79-80. What should be the goal?

Thanks again!

Porter


On Jul 7, 2018, at 11:13 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,

 

It really doesn’t matter how you do it but you need to create internal engine heat to clean out the engine. This is done with a load on the engine. If in neutral, it will take longer to create a load and heat. In gear while underway will heat up the engine faster.

 

This is true for all diesel engines.

 

Where you run the RPM depends on the engine. Typically, 80% of max power will heat up the engine nicely without too much strain. This is also good for the turbocharger, if fitted with one.

 

How long? At least every couple of hours while underway, if not a little more frequently... We run ours up every hour for about five minutes. This works for us.

 

Keep in mind, this is not just the ship’s engine but also true for the genset. Running a genset without load will cause carbon buildup. Keep the genset loaded when charging batteries etc. We find it best to run a couple of AC units or do a load of laundry etc. The battery charger only puts load on the genset at the beginning of the charge cycle.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:35 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 

 

Ok. Bullshit aside. 

I do have a few real questions, that I’ve had for a while. 

It’s the same for all diesels. Yes?  

Is “racing” out of gear best?  I would think load would be required to increase fuel consumption and thus heat. Fuel burn>>heat dissipation 2/2 raw water flow. 

Forget the rpm. Where is the throttle?  100% down? 80%?  

And for how long?  

 

Many thanks, as always to this great group. 

 

Porter

A54-152. 

 

 

Excuse the errors.  

Sent from my IPhone 


On Jul 7, 2018, at 9:02 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,

 

Wow! Sorry. I didn’t realize I had to be so freaking specific. Seriously! The essence of the post I made is 100% correct. I didn’t intend to make a verbatim quote of the manual. If  I had, I would have used quotation marks. I stated this is OUTLINED in the manual. I did not say this is a DIRECT QUOTE from the manual. Geeez! And, please note I did say 4JH4 manual, not 4JH3 as you are quoting.

 

But if you want specific details of the JH4 Operation Manual, publication number OAJH4-G00102, page 78. I quote, “Periodically operate the engine near maximum speed while underway. This will generate higher exhaust temperatures, which help clean out hard carbon deposits, maintain engine performance and prolong the life of the engine”

This is below the section you quote about running it in idle and speaks specifically about running the engine while underway.

 

Regardless of whether this is done in neutral or in gear while underway, the purpose of the procedure is to raise the internal temperature of the engine periodically to remove carbon build up. Carbon build up will kill a diesel engine.

 

I’m feelin’ a little crabby today. Can you tell?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Curacao

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] engine cruising RPM

 

 

Hi Mark,

Regarding "Running a lower RPMs without load will shorten the life of the engine unless it is pushed up at least once per hour for about 5 minutes. This is outlinede in the Yanmar operation manual."

 

This is not to challenge the veracity of your statement but I cannot find that in my Yanmar manual. Maybe you have a different manual and it would be helpful (really) to have you quote what it says. 

 

What my 4JH3-HTE Operation Manual says (on page 30 section 4.6) is: 

 

"When operating the engine at low speed ffor long periods of time, race the engine once every 2 hours"..."Racing the Engine, Morse Remote Control Handle Pull out the handle lever...and shift the engine speed from high to low several times...Racing the engine removes carbon built up in the compustion chamber around the fuel injection valve.  Neglecting to race tthe engine will cause the exhaust to turn black and lower the efficiency of the engine".

 

In other words it says to gun the engine several times while it is in neutral.

 

Like others, we vary my speed between 1600 and 2200 for cruising and can cruise up to 2400 rpm.  We also run it at say 2800 for 5 minutes or so periodically.  However, I cannot find where Yanmar recommends this.  There are postings in this group (not yours) that say to run it full out for 5 minutes, even full out fo 30 minutes but I don't think that is advisable. Seems that vibration is higher and it might be hard on the transmission and c drive as well.  Like most of us we vary the speed and run it harder at times but we also do the "Racing" procedure that is in our manual.

 

Bob and Suzanne, KAIMI #429

La Maddalena, Sardegna

 

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Stephen Davis
 

My memory is a little foggy, but I believe I paid $1100.00 total for the pinion and large gear. 

Best Regards,

Steve

On Jul 9, 2018, at 08:13, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve,

Thanks!
Yes we have spoken to Amel and they said that there are no spare parts, but have sent us the plans to try and have it fixed.
We will check with Emek marine to see if they still have spare parts though.
How expensive were they?

Best regards,
Helen and Kostas


On Monday, July 9, 2018, 8:22:31 PM GMT+3, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Kostas,

Have you checked with Amel to see if they still have them in stock? We were able to purchase the pinion and the gear from Emek Marine in Turkey in 2014. They were a bit expensive, but they seemed to be OEM parts for the furler. 

Good luck with your project. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 01:29, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John ,

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)
If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.
We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.
Thanks again!!

Best,
Kostas and Helen 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Kostas Ioannidis <kostas_ioannidis@...>
 

Hi Steve,

Thanks!
Yes we have spoken to Amel and they said that there are no spare parts, but have sent us the plans to try and have it fixed.
We will check with Emek marine to see if they still have spare parts though.
How expensive were they?

Best regards,
Helen and Kostas


On Monday, July 9, 2018, 8:22:31 PM GMT+3, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Kostas,

Have you checked with Amel to see if they still have them in stock? We were able to purchase the pinion and the gear from Emek Marine in Turkey in 2014. They were a bit expensive, but they seemed to be OEM parts for the furler. 

Good luck with your project. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 01:29, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John ,

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)
If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.
We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.
Thanks again!!

Best,
Kostas and Helen 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking rudder

CW Bill Rouse
 

Arthur,

I am certain that you will really like your Super Maramu.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 12:55 PM 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks for answer. Bill!

It is SM 435 and new for us...
We are taking her home to Sweden from  France at the moment.....
Best Regards 
Arthur

Skickat från min iPhone

9 juli 2018 kl. 17:23 skrev Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

That depends on whether the packing is OEM, or not. Assuming you have a SM or 54, tighten the large plastic nut 1 face. You will have to remove the mechanical nut lock, usually on 1 face of the nut.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system..


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:06 AM 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The rudder is leaking is little while under way with autopilot . How to stop that completely?

Skickat från min iPhone
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Leaking rudder

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Thanks for answer. Bill!
It is SM 435 and new for us...
We are taking her home to Sweden from  France at the moment.....
Best Regards 
Arthur

Skickat från min iPhone

9 juli 2018 kl. 17:23 skrev Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

That depends on whether the packing is OEM, or not. Assuming you have a SM or 54, tighten the large plastic nut 1 face. You will have to remove the mechanical nut lock, usually on 1 face of the nut.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 9:06 AM 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The rudder is leaking is little while under way with autopilot . How to stop that completely?

Skickat från min iPhone
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Drawer/cupboard pulls

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Craig,

Thanks for doing all the leg work on this. I’d take at least 10, but depending on price, would at least double that order. My theory is that I’ve already had 2 failures, and due to the age of the boat, would expect many more during my ownership. I also have a Swiss friend with an older SM who needs some. He is in Switzerland now, and I’ll let him know. 

Steve 
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 04:39, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

After I posted this and several others replied they needed them too, I wrote back to Maud, telling her that, and she has now written to me saying she may be able to get them after all, now that there is a known demand.  I'm waiting for her to write back and give me pricing.


I'd like to give her a firm order and will be happy to coordinate for the US contingent.  That is, I can place a bulk order and then break it out to others within the US, rather than have Maud send several overseas shipments,  From the replies posted on the DB so far: 
Miles - Ladybug in Newport -  "4 or 5"
Ryan & Kelle - Iteration in Boston  -  "a couple"
Jose Venegas - Impanema in Boston  -  "5"
Steve Davis - Aloha in Hawaii   - "some"
John Clark - ?  in ?   -   "yes"
Kent Robertson - Kristy in St Michaels -  ? 
Craig Briggs - Sangaris - in Boca Raton -  need one, if price is right would take 10 or more

John on Annie in Martinique wanted "some" but may be better off dealing with Amel Carribbean (or  not)

Anyway, I'll keep you posted on what Maud says.  In the meantime, let's take this off-line of the regular forum traffic.  Drop me an email to sangaris@...  (that's sangaris at aol.com).  We don't need to do anything firm until Maud gives us the pricing.  I also asked her to clarify if we can buy the chrome pulls separate from the brown plastic latching part.  If the pulls are inexpensive I've got a lot that are corroding and could use freshening up - I think there's about 40 in total on my SN.

Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris, parked in Brunswick, GA (I'm in Boca Raton) sangaris@...


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sangaris@...> wrote :

Maud informed me that Amel no longer has the old push-button rectangular drawer pulls. 
Has anyone found a source or a good replacement?


Many thanks, Craig Briggs, SN68 Sangaris
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Kostas,

Have you checked with Amel to see if they still have them in stock? We were able to purchase the pinion and the gear from Emek Marine in Turkey in 2014. They were a bit expensive, but they seemed to be OEM parts for the furler. 

Good luck with your project. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Hawaii

On Jul 9, 2018, at 01:29, Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John ,

Thanks very much!!! That’s very encouraging. Perhaps the gear maker here will not have problems either...:)
If he does I’ll get back to you and perhaps contact the gear maker in New Zealand for his ideas.
We have also serviced the main furling gears with the original Italian parts.
Thanks again!!

Best,
Kostas and Helen 

On Monday, July 9, 2018, 2:00:47 PM GMT+3, John Hayes johnhayes862@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com> wrote:


 

Hi Helen and Kostas

 

My Santorin is 1991 and we had the same problem a year ago. We managed (in New Zealand) to get the worm drive machined and then a new disk gear cut. All bearings were also replaced. The cost as I recall was about NZ$2000 or roughly US $1400 which included courier charges. The fellow who did the work had never before seen a fiberglass gear box casing but reckoned the rebuilt box would be good for 25 years!

 

We took the furler gear box to the gear maker; no plans were necessary

 

I have also just replaced the gear boxes on the main furler and boom outhaul. Both about US$ 300 and standard bonfiglioli (sp?) units.

 

Best

 

John Hayes

Nag Waka

Wellington

New Zealand

 

From: <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of "Kostas Ioannidis kostas_ioannidis@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, 9 July 2018 at 10:27 PM
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genoa electric furling gears

 

 

Dear all,

 

Our electric furling system on our Super Maramu no 29 in 1990 is broken. 

The gears inside are sheared . We had already replaced the bearings inside when it was making some noise a few years ago but this time the mechanical engineer here on Syros island in Greece says that he will need replacement gears as it will be very hard to have new ones cut and probably very expensive.

Has anyone had any experience and does anyone have any ideas to help?

Maud at Amel will send some plans which will help but any other help will be very much appreciated!!

 

Best regards,

Helen and Kostas Yuvanidi sailing on “Meditation “Super Maramu no 29 in 1990
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