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Re: Running back stays on A54

amelforme
 

Peter, I’ll send you that 20 quid I promised.

 

Sorry that it looks like our pub lunch in the splendid English summertime will have to wait another year.

 

Everybody say a prayer for Bill Rouse. Hurricane Laura may not be kind to Galveston Texas tonight.

 

All the best,

Joel

 

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From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Forbes
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:41 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Running back stays on A54

 

Arno,

 

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

 

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

 

peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: Engine Vibration

Arno Luijten
 

Is the vibration both present in Neutral and in Gear?

Given the fact they have been working on the injectors it could be one of the cylinders not firing at higher RPMs. Did the phenomenon started out of the blue or after after some work done to the engine/transmission.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Engine Vibration

 

The Vetus Coupling may be failing and/or the alignment may have been done incorrectly. Did they use a fixed coupling alignment tool?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:33 AM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
Sorry, failed to put my name etc.

Ian
’Ocean Hobo’ Santorin 96 currently in the Scilly Isles.


Re: Running back stays on A54

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Joerg. 
Great description. I’m going to try it out!  
Really appreciated 

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:55 AM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:


Thank's Arno,
Really appreciate your post with explanation and photos.
I get so much from this forum.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique


On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 9:36:32 AM EDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Engine Vibration

Ian Park
 

Sorry, failed to put my name etc.

Ian
’Ocean Hobo’ Santorin 96 currently in the Scilly Isles.


Engine Vibration

Ian Park
 

My Prima M50 is vibrating badly at the rear (end furthest from the C Drive). It’s OK below 1800 rpm.
All the engine And transmission mounts were replaced in Martinique in 2018 and the engine re-aligned.
I am assuming one of the rear mounts has failed. Is there anything else that can cause this vibration?
I had refurbished injectors fitted before setting off at the beginning of August and I have re-bled them to ensure no air locks.
Is my suspicion of a failed engine mount(s) most likely?


Re: Running back stays on A54

Barry Connor
 

Thank's Arno,
Really appreciate your post with explanation and photos.
I get so much from this forum.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique


On Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 9:36:32 AM EDT, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:


About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Running back stays on A54

Joerg Esdorn
 

About 1.5 m above the block and tackle used to store the runners.  I would start by using duct tape to tape some old line to the runners and see whether it makes a difference.  You are correct that it’s not possible to get those knots back out once you have used the runners with them in earnest.  


Joerg


Re: Running back stays on A54

Peter Forbes
 

Arno,

Good solution for the running backstays, I use mine a lot because I love flying the staysail, and much like my own.

I agree entirely I wouldn’t want to be a member of a club which would have me as a member but this forum is, in my opinion, excellent thanks to so many great Amel sailors topped off by the brilliance of Bill Rouse and Joel Potter.

peter
Peter Forbes
The Old Rectory 
Farnham
Blandford
DT11 8 DE
00447836 209730
07836 209730

On 25 Aug 2020, at 23:21, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.

<Picture1.png>


From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)

<Picture2.png>


Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Re: Amel Club

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Joerg,

First time I visited this site I thought it was kind of "empty" but I notice the added quite some contents now. I find it quite slow though. This is my favorite from the club 😉



For some reason when it's about clubs I always have to think about Groucho Marx and his remark "I don't want to be member of a club that wants me as a member", so maybe this is why I forgot about it lately.
Thanks for reminding me.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121


Re: Running back stays on A54

Arno Luijten
 

The way my running backstays are rigged seems fairly handy to me.

The backstay is made from aramide/kevlar sheet with extreme little stretch. When not in use the sheet comes down from the mast to a little piece of string tied to the end of the Genua-rail ( see picture1). Originally it was just tied, but I put an old fashioned hanking hook from an old jib to the piece of string so I can click it over the backstay. Storing it like this means it is out of the way when walking on the side-deck.



From there the backstay runs to the back of the boat to a block at the same place as where the Genua-sheet turning block resides. See picture 2 (best I have)



Directly after the block there is a knot in the backstay, so it cannot escape the block.
When you want to use the staysail in stronger winds (12+ knots) you unhook the hanking hook and pull the knot at the end of the backstay untill you can use the tail to put it on the small winch. Pull the backstay tight with a little tension on it, using the winch. Now  you can deploy the staysail. The sheet for the staysail will use the winch at the other side so there is no conflict at winch utilization. You don't use the lee-side backstay as it can/will rub the main sail.


Hope this is clear....

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna
A54-121


Amel Club

Joerg Esdorn
 

Seeing yesterday's post by Bill Rouse  of the Amel article about runners reminded me that some of you might not know about the Amel Club website which contains that article as well as many other useful ones.  The focus of the website is the A55, A64 and A54.  I received an email from Amel about the club in 2016 when I bought my A55 but I suspect not all current owners of A55s and A54s may know about the club.  Here is the link to the website http://club-amel.fr/login/?redirect_to=http%3a%2f%2fclub-amel.fr%2fhome-community.  You can change the language to English and most articles are bi-lingual.   I also attach copies of some of the articles on the website which I downloaded because I thought I might find them useful sometime.  I hope those help but they may have been updated since I downloaded them and there are probably others.  Cheers!

Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Running back stays on A54

Porter McRoberts
 

Joerg 
Thank you for the suggestion. 
I’ll try it, but knowing those knots will never come out I want to make sure I’ve got them in the right place. How far up the back stay from the snatch block is the knot?  

Many thanks
Porter A54-152

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS 
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:01 AM, David Crisp <david@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

The two blocks, great suggestion, I like it.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi David;

 

I personally would not give up on the battens. I believe that they do add shape and performance. We have not had any issues in the past 5 years, and we have sailed, furled and unfurled in conditions up to force 9 in the Med about 5 months every year. We even did a winter season, which we will not voluntarily repeat. Our sails are original (now going on 12 years) and they look, feel and work fine. We may just add a foot line to the genoa as we seem have to have some stretch there.

 

We wash, dry and remove all sails and battens and store below at the end of every season. We keep the cabins dry by installing water accumulators in all areas. The bags are usually full to almost bursting by the time we get back at the start of the following season

 

We inspect the sails, make needed repairs and check the battens for any damage, twist, etc.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 8:58 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

 

Thanks everyone.  The advice is consistent and fully absorbed!  My sails are only 4 years old and in good shape. Suspect I simply didn't have adequate outhaul tension / good boom angle. 

The day I have to get new sails I'll consider going without battens and hence no roach and lower performance. My racing days are over but then you know how it is when another boat is sailing close by, the old twitch and tweak kicks in..... :-)   Seriously, I'll not leapt to conclusions until I've got a lot more miles under my belt. It is probably a case of building good habits. I have faith in Amel design.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Running back stays on A54

David Crisp
 

Thanks Bill,

The two blocks, great suggestion, I like it.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

David Crisp
 

Thanks everyone.  The advice is consistent and fully absorbed!  My sails are only 4 years old and in good shape. Suspect I simply didn't have adequate outhaul tension / good boom angle. 

The day I have to get new sails I'll consider going without battens and hence no roach and lower performance. My racing days are over but then you know how it is when another boat is sailing close by, the old twitch and tweak kicks in..... :-)   Seriously, I'll not leapt to conclusions until I've got a lot more miles under my belt. It is probably a case of building good habits. I have faith in Amel design.
--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Amel 55 Backstays

Joerg Esdorn
 

Porter, on my boat the back stays stretched so much the first time I sailed upwind in more than 35 kn of TWS that I had to put a figure 8 knot into them to shorten them.  I’ve never had a problem with noise from them.  


Joerg Esdorn
A55 #53 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

David,

 

I had a similar problem. Since then I have always made sure to be on a starboard tack when furling in the main and have had no problem. I also recall getting this advice from Michel at Amel in Hyeres.

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Crisp
Sent: 24 August 2020 14:51
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

 

All,

It's confession time and a request for advice/tips.

A week ago, for the first time ever I managed to jam the mainsail when furling it (somewhere around the first batten).  It was impossible to free the sail there and then but fortunately I was able to find shelter nearby, anchor, go up the mast and work it loose by hand.  At the time I put this down to lack of attention and over confidence and cursed myself. 
Two days later after a good sail upwind (15-20kts apparent), I started furling the main, this time watching VERY carefully, I saw creases appearing around the first batten so unfurled and tried again with the same result.  Being really nervous of a repeat episode I unfurled and carried on sailing and finally furled, without a problem, when in sheltered water. In all cases I was going upwind, maybe 10-30deg off the wind.

I'll confess this incident has been a big knock to my confidence, having a jammed, partly furled main in heavy weather is a worrying thought. I previously had a Super Maramu and never once experienced any problem like this, not even a hint of it.  Is the critical difference the vertical battens in the 54's main? 
Does anyone else have experience like this, more importantly can anyone offer advice/tips on furling the main on an A54 please.

--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France

tony wells
 

Thanks Mohammad and Aty

You are right. Two weeks ago in a marina in a Sicily, folk on a neighbouring yacht asked “is Balthazar brand new?”. Surely that makes the Amel 54 a true timeless classic?! 

There have been many such compliments, which I know all Amel-owners enjoy & take rightful pride in. 

Fair winds as you continue your Amel-Adventures! 

Tony





On 24 Aug 2020, at 20:42, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



Tony;

 

The Amel 54 is truly a gem that we continue to appreciate more and more every day, even after almost 6 years. Whoever ends up with Balthazar will be very fortunate.

 

Wishing you and your family the best in your next ventures.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of tony wells via groups.io
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 10:11 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Amel 54 2008 Hull 102 for sale in South France #Amel_For_Sale

 

Thanks Peter, much appreciated. 

 

With the fantastic spec / condition and brand new (last month!) B&G total refresh (including second auto helm, radar and 16 inch plotter in fabulous custom-made casing at helm) then I hope Balthazar is a great deal for someone. I’ll stop there. That’s my sales pitch ‘credits’ all used up I’m sure....!!

 

I’ll certainly miss the fantastic knowledge and generosity of this forum - thanks to All. I’ve received and read just about every post in the last 2 years and am in awe! I’ve met and got to know wonderful fellow owners too. Lastly and by no means finally, Bill Rouse has simply been - and continues to be - incredible (thank you, Bill). But everyone knows that already :)

 

Best wishes,

 

Tony

Balthazar. 

 

 



On 24 Aug 2020, at 18:51, Peter Forbes <ppsforbes@...> wrote:

Tony,

 

So sorry you are leaving us - that is a superb deal at €400k.

 

That will sell in a day if anyone has any sense.

 

Peter

Peter Forbes

The Old Rectory 

Farnham

Blandford

DT11 8 DE

00447836 209730

07836 209730



On 24 Aug 2020, at 16:35, tony wells via groups.io <tony.wells@...> wrote:



Amel expert and principal of Yacht School, Bill Rouse, was onboard in May 2019 and commented “Balthazar’s condition is in the top 10% of Amel 54’s that I have seen”.


We have only owned Balthazar since October 2018 and hugely appreciate her extraordinary qualities. However our plans have changed and we’re now offering her for sale in impeccable condition, at an attractive price, initially to the Amel community. Significantly discounted price for private sale €400k (vat paid in France from new, UK flagged now). This will likely be increased to circa €440k if offered via broker.

Balthazar was originally specified with the Comfort Plus Pack in addition to the Opacmare hydraulic passerelle & Dessalator 24/240v 100 litre per hour water maker.

Lightly used in the Med, renowned Amel surveyor, Olivier Beaute, concludes his survey of October 2018, stating “a good boat”. Since then we have invested in comfort, safety & preventative maintenance improvements, listed in the attached document and including a full Nav technology B&G upgrade & additional autopilot in July 2020.

 

There’s a spec sheet attached in the subgroup post at https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/yachtforsale  and please contact me by email tony.wells@... for more information including photos which I will send to you via Whatsapp 

Thanks

Tony Wells

Amel 54 - 102 (2008)

Balthazar

Cruising Corsica, heading north to South France


Re: Mainsail jammed when furling on A54

david bruce
 

Thanks James, Craig and Courtney,   Makes perfect sense and certainly accounts for the variability in furler/outhaul ratio/speed.  Sort of a joystick pas de deux.  Now the hard part if is getting to the boat to perfect the dance.  Thanks again for the input.  Best,  Dave



On Aug 24, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Alan Leslie <s.v.elyse@...> wrote:

I agree Kent.
Elyse has vertical battens on both main and mizzen.
30-40 degrees to the wind, preferably stbd tack, boom 90 degrees to the mast.
We have marks on both sheets to enable positioning of the booms correctly before furling.
No problems
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437