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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
If it’s 12v, it would have to be powered by the 24-12 converters or the starting battery, Pat. On Kristy there’s a breaker for it on the 24v panel with a light that indicates it’s on.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM243
On Jun 1, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere. Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
Kent Robertson
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Patrick McAneny
Kent, The solenoid is stamped 12v, originally I assumed it was 24v. I bought a more expensive tracer , but I can not get it to beep running the sensor all around the wires coming up into the compartment above the galley. I really wish all the wiring had been labeled. Is there a central point where 12v equipment is powered, like a buss bar somewhere.
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Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message----- From: Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jun 1, 2018 8:13 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
Kent Robertson
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Gas shut off
Do you have power at the breaker on the 24v panel? On Kristy the solenoid is 24v.
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Kent Robertson
On May 31, 2018, at 8:18 AM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
I am not getting any power to my propane switch. I bought a wire tracer and cannot trace the wire. The solenoid is 12v . Does anyone know where the 12v power source would originate? I could not find a 12v buss bar . The solenoid works , I jumped it across the starter battery , with a meter I cannot find any voltage at the switch. It could be as simple as a blown fuse. Thanks, Pat SM#123
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows
Great, thanks Danny.
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Kent S/V Kristy SM 243
On May 31, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, I used a high quality single pot spar varnish to do those trims around the overhead hatches. Looks good and matches the original. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl On 01 June 2018 at 11:17 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Amel 54007: Gear Box Part Number
kurt.wetzel@...
Dear All
The gearbox of the boom on my Amel 54 is broken. Can anyone provide me with the part and fabrication numbers? Thank you very much Kurt and Junita SY Hemera Flag Malta MMSI 215000349 Current Location Greece, Lavrion
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Re: Two questions
In the NMEA 2000 scheme there is a DRAIN wire and a SHIELD.
The recommendation is that both should be connected to GROUND at ONE POINT ONLY. Problems have been caused it seems by earth loops where the drain and / or shield have been grounded at more than one point. On most boats the ground connection is connected to battery -ve which maybe the cause of these earth loop problems as they now effectively have multiple ground connections. Amel boats do not have a connection between battery -ve and ground. So on our boats, my instinct tells me that the drain and ground should be connected to ships ground to eliminate interference problems from RF....from VHF or SSB for example However if the NMEA 2000 system has issues as you have said, then disconnecting that ground connection is not going to harm anything....and if there are issues it may be worth disconnecting the drain or ground from ships ground to see if either makes any difference. In any event you won't damage any equipment by doing that. Just what I think...I may be wrong...it has been known ! Cheers Alan Elyse SM437 Malumu Bay, Beqa
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Re: Two questions
Herbert Lackner
Hi Paul, we changed all electronics to raymarine 4 years ago. I removed the ground after having strange behaviour of the system, is running fine now since 4 years without ground. Was in contact with raymrine to find out what the problem was and in the end they recommended not to ground it...
Herbert, KALI MERA, SN120
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two questions
Thank you for confirming 12v
Paul
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Two questions
Stephen Davis
Hi Paul, All Raymarine/Autohelm drive clutches are 12v. I’m guessing they give you the 12/24 option on the course computer in case you are using a non Ray drive. Regards, Steve Davis Aloha SM #72 Hawaii
On May 31, 2018, at 18:51, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Two questions
We we are in the process of substituting the old B&G instruments with Raymarine instruments. The new NMEA 2000 backbone system should be grounded. You who have NMEA 2000 how did you ground your system? We are also putting in a new modern computer for the old and still well working Autohelm autopilots. If I remember right the clutch for both the linear and rotar drive is on 12 v and not 24 v. Anyone who can confirm that clutch should be 12 v Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Kent, I used a high quality single pot spar varnish to do those trims around the overhead hatches. Looks good and matches the original. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 01 June 2018 at 11:17 "karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Wood trim around Vee berth windows
I finally got the wood trim off of the cabin sides around the porch lights. They were just stuck with copious amounts of what appears to be clear silicone. I am in the process of taking all of the old finish off and will need to re-seal the wood and finish it. I would like to use the same finish that a male used at the time of the original build. Does anyone know what finish was used? I’m guessing it’s a high tech two part polyurethane. Do you know if any stain was used?
Joel? Olivier? Thanks Kent SM 243 Kristy St Michaels MD
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
johnericmorton@...
Hi Joel
Thank you for your prompt reply and guidance. There are very few Amels in NZ. I don't think the Surveyor had ever seen an Amel before....... In this case, I've learnt that it's a bit more complex than a normal condition survey at time of purchase because Alin has in mind possibly taking out paying customers for sailing / diving trips. This means that Wanderer will need to be put "in survey" to the satisfaction of the relevant NZ agency. This is a very rigorous process - any boat going "into survey" must meet the current NZ requirements for design, construction, electrical wiring regulations etc as if the boat is a newly built NZ boat. Hence there are "norms" such as design checks and approval and dropping down the keel for inspection of the bolts for survey as well as probably pulling out the prop shaft to check condition. All easy to do if the boat is under construction in NZ. :)- There is a process for applying for exemptions to these "in survey" requirements. Fortunately the Electrical Inspector and the Surveyor were impressed with the design, overall quality, fit out, and condition. Good documentation (manuals and the standard drawings / plans) are a big plus for their design checks and their approval for "in survey". It seems the Surveyor is happy - the results of his "deck tapping" seems to be advisory only, not a requirement for putting Wanderer "in survey" as a requirement for use for commercial reward. As there seems to be no history of deck de-lamination issues with Amels, this may be prove to be a red herring, the local Surveyor mentioned possible minor air gap voids at time of construction? Perhaps all Amel decks respond with the same beautiful tapping sounds (music to my ears) depending on the location of supports / iron wood / balsa and changes (by design) in materials and thicknesses. Best Regards John Morton Amel Super Maramu #283 Auckland, New Zealand.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
amelforme
Hello Mr. Morton
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Were you able to ascertain if the surveyor has surveyed other Amel boats or was this his first Amel inspection? I suspect the later. I have sold hundreds of second hand Amels and I always shudder when I get a rookie surveyor/expert maritime. The typical snake/mongoose relationship evolves and it becomes very difficult to reasonably demonstrate that many of their assumptions are totally incorrect. Mainly because many surveyors are certain that all brokers are mouth breathing used car salesmen.... To all Amel sellers and especially to Amel buyers, the best Amel surveyor on the planet is Olivier Beauté who was Amel’s technical guru and after sale service honcho. He has forgotten more about Amels than any of us will ever know. If several time zones must be traversed, yep, he will be expensive. But absolutely worth every euro if the boat gives you any reason for pause. In the North American market, I have a guy, soon to retire, that has surveyed 300+ Amels for me. He gets it. Between the two of us, we are close to Olivier’s level of competence. Almost... A thorough survey by someone familiar with the idiosyncrasies of Amel boats is the best money you will spend when considering any Amel. JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
On May 31, 2018, at 4:45 PM, johnericmorton@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
Thank you
From: "Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners]" To: amelyachtowners@... Sent: Friday, 1 June 2018 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck Hello and good luck with your Amel hunting. I sold that boat to it’s first owner who is a very dear friend. We were very discerning in the original outfitting. I also sold it to its second owner who sailed it to New Zealand and resold it. I’ll go through my file on the boat as soon as I get to my warehouse where sold boat files are stored in the next several days and see if I have anything worthwhile to report. All The Best, Joel
JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
amelforme
Hello and good luck with your Amel hunting. I sold that boat to it’s first owner who is a very dear friend. We were very discerning in the original outfitting.
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I also sold it to its second owner who sailed it to New Zealand and resold it. I’ll go through my file on the boat as soon as I get to my warehouse where sold boat files are stored in the next several days and see if I have anything worthwhile to report. All The Best, Joel JOEL F. POTTER CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY Office 954-462-5869
On May 31, 2018, at 4:00 PM, alin1923@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
johnericmorton@...
Hi Alin and Amel Owners
Just to clarify for other Amel Yacht Owners. We are selling Wanderer after six great years of proud ownership in NZ. When the sale goes through we plan to buy an Amel boat in the Mediterranean so we can spend six months each year in NZ then up to six months in the med live on board. We don't have the appetite to face the challenge of sailing from NZ to Europe. Alin's surveyor did the woodpecker thing with his light hammer on the deck and marked what he suspected could possibly be small localised areas of delamination requiring further investigation. The underwater hull all "tapped out" OK. :)- and Wanderer otherwise has a clean bill of health. The Surveyor lost a bit of credibility with me when he commented on "water ingress in the rudder" (it's hollow by design) and his verbal recommendation to "drop off" the keel so he could check the mild steel attachment bolts. (They are stainless steel and its not recommended to drop off the keel for inspection). I'll get a photo of the localised crazing / hair line cracks aft of the lazarette hatch on the starboard side. (When I tap this area now I can't hear the difference but maybe I need 20 years of experience). In any case, the crazing / cracks will be repaired. The concern is about the risk of trapping in water and how to get the best finish - it look like a simple paint job but matching the faux teak surface and the painted strips in between might be a challenge. There might already be a thread regarding crazing cracks on the faux teak strips? Thank you in advance. John and Mali Morton Wanderer ASM283 Auckland NZ
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
Hi. No she does not have a staysail. I will come back with a picture.
Thank you.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Got confused with the vessel name! Thought Duane was selling his.
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Alin, the best would be to take pictures showing the exact location. Does this SM2K has (or had) a staysail? Hope the final survey will be good Sincerely, Alexandre (Formally #289) --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/31/18, Alin Misescu alin1923@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, May 31, 2018, 2:02 PM Hi everyone. This is my very first post here.I am buying (hopefully) a SM hull 283, Wanderer in NZ. The surveyor found delamination in few spots on deck. 4 areas ranging from 10 to 20 square CM. 2 of them have cracks in the gelcoat and you can hear different noise when tapping. You can also feel a v slight bump when you run your hand over it. Any thoughts or ideas are much appreciated. Thank you. Alin Misescu Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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SM 2000 hull 283 delamination on deck
Hi everyone. This is my very first post here.
I am buying (hopefully) a SM hull 283, Wanderer in NZ. The surveyor found delamination in few spots on deck. 4 areas ranging from 10 to 20 square CM. 2 of them have cracks in the gelcoat and you can hear different noise when tapping. You can also feel a v slight bump when you run your hand over it. Any thoughts or ideas are much appreciated. Thank you. Alin Misescu
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