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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fwd: Re: Volvo TMD22A specs
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Pat. If Yvonne said yes I'd e off like a shot. However practicalities intervene. Bother. Regards Danny
On 10 May 2018 at 23:50 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Alexandre Uster von Baar
I also strongly disagree with the rude and unnecessary words by Rink.
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On Thu, 5/10/18, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@xtra.co.nz [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE*** To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:50 PM Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice, retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances of modified Amels that have turned out less than satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I think they are uglyBill, please keep up the good workI will add two comments. Possibly hours in estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the volume is increased by the addition of water.RegardsDannySM 299 Ocean Pearl On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Dear all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator. The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch on a 53. Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact, which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this forumHope for better timesRink de HaanAmel 2k #330 Razors Edge
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clean the sea water intake
Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
Cear amelians, what is the best tool / method to clean the WHOLE pipe that goes from the sea water filter all the way down to the sea water intake in the hull (while boat is in water)? Thanks for your advice, Alex SY NO STRESS AMEL54
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
Rink, I don't agree. Alex SY NO STRESS AMEL54
On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 3:53:51 PM GMT-4, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice, retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances of modified Amels that have turned out less than satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I think they are ugly Bill, please keep up the good work I will add two comments. Possibly hours in estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the volume is increased by the addition of water. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Rink, I cant agree with you on this. Nor do I think an insulting crack at Texans is appropriate. Bill is always consistent. Polite, firm and unwavering. It does us no harm to have such a strong Amel advocate. Anyone who wishes can ignore him. As well as being sound advice, retaining the "fleet" as near to original is doing us all a big favor as it maintains the value of our unique vessels. Because of the work he does Bill has seen instances of modified Amels that have turned out less than satisfactory. I know of one new owner who has spent a small fortune replacing failing/failed modifications to restore the boat to Amel standard. As to the arches, personally I think they are ugly Bill, please keep up the good work I will add two comments. Possibly hours in estruries or harbours like the Chesapeake and Delaware water with suspended silt will cause more rapid wear,Secondly..oil floats on water and I cannot see how oil could run or drip out the bottom. My observation is that when the seals begin to fail the oil level rises as well as becoming milky as the volume is increased by the addition of water. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 11 May 2018 at 06:15 "Rink de Haan rinkdehaan@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush***RESPONSE TO *** IMPORTAN
Miles
Jose, Craig,
I don’t understand why two years has any significance. The original Amel instructions were to change the wearing out bearing every 650 hours. How much the bearing wears is a function of engine hours not time. Any valid comparison test would need to for the same number of hours at the same engine speed. For over 5000 engine hours, I have changed the wearing out bearing using lots of silicone grease and following the Amel instructions of the first bearing facing in and the outer two bearings facing out. I have done this (or Amel has done it) every 650 hours or so. I have never had any problem of water in the oil or loss of oil. I have had my boat since it was new and I learned early on that everything that Amel does or recommends is for a reason.
Regards,
Miles s/y Ladybug, sm 216, Le Marin Martinique
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
Stephen Davis
Linda, Rascal has the wedge shaped oil drain plug, so you will not need to buy one. Ask me how I know?
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 8:50 AM Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
bernard lawson
Bill, thank you for your service. Cordially, Bernie Lawson, former blessed owner Sharki
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
Linda, The wedge shaped C-Drive oil drain plug is going to be an Amel part. The Spurs info you have is correct. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: For Sale: B&G Hydra 2000, plus Instrument & Sensor suite
ya_fohi
David,
My B&G Sonic Speed is also not working. I was wondering what you replaced yours with? Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Rink De Haan
Dear all. I think it is time for some action from our moderator. The way Bill responds to a viable discussion doesn’t add value to this forum. There us no such thing as the absolute Amel way. Like for instance building an Emek arch
on a 53. Which for Sure is the absolute wrong Amel way. The way you react Bill limits the interest of other Amel to interact, which is against the purpose of this group. Texan anti intellectual rudeness is not the standard of this forum
Hope for better times
Rink de Haan
Amel 2k #330 Razors Edge
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
Alexandre Uster von Baar
To add to Steve,
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You can purchase from Amel, part 3184 (red arrow) http://www.nikimat.com/spare_parts_c_drive.html Therefore. if you did not had the Spur Cutter originally installed, then I would check with Olivier that you can… I think older SM model have a differently shape keel which for example would not accept the Auto Prop H6… so may be the Spur won’t fit either. Here are pictures of the removal of the propeller, this will show you how the Spurs cutter was removed and the new one installed, so may be you can compare with your vessel. http://www.nikimat.com/auto_prop_h6.html Sincerely, Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Thu, 5/10/18, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 10, 2018, 12:39 PM Hi Linda, On Rascal the oil drain plug for the Cdrive is designed to be the wedge holding block. Steve On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 7:05 AM LindaGrimes1@hotmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Hi, I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts. I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs. Thanks for your help. Linda Grimes SV Rascal Shelter Bay Marina Fort Sherman, Panama
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Re: Reya water pump UK dealer
ya_fohi
Barry,
I have the brushes, thank you very much, at least I owe you a pint! Cheers, Paul Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Spurs Line Cutter
Stephen Davis
Hi Linda, On Rascal the oil drain plug for the Cdrive is designed to be the wedge holding block.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
Patrick McAneny
Mark, Will do. Pat
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-----Original Message----- From: Mark Garver mgarver@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...> Sent: Thu, May 10, 2018 11:37 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous? Our SM "It's Good" is sitting in the Severn River, just off of Mobjack Bay for the season, so Jennifer and I could more than likely make it as well. It would be good to meet everyone since we bought our SM just last August. Keep me posted.
Mark and Jennfer
S/V It's Good
SM #105
On May 09, 2018, at 03:43 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Spurs Line Cutter
lindagrimes1
Hi,
I am about to order a Spurs Line Cutter and I understand it is a Model B, 1 1/2 inch. I am not sure if I need to order a Wedge Holding Block as well? If I do need to order one, which one do I order? I have not seen one mentioned in previous posts. I do see one is used in the brochure and video's from Spurs. Thanks for your help. Linda Grimes SV Rascal Shelter Bay Marina Fort Sherman, Panama
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Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush
Commendable restraint, Bill. Carry on.
Cheers, Craig ---In amelyachtowners@..., <brouse@...> wrote : Jose, I said I don't want to argue. I respect you and your right to your opinion. All I intend to do is to state the other side, which is the "Amel Way." To say anything else, would likely be a rebuttal, so this is my only reply. Best, Bill Rouse
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Jose, I said I don't want to argue. I respect you and your right to your opinion. All I intend to do is to state the other side, which is the "Amel Way." To say anything else, would likely be a rebuttal, so this is my only reply. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ChesapeakeRendezvous?
Our SM "It's Good" is sitting in the Severn River, just off of Mobjack Bay for the season, so Jennifer and I could more than likely make it as well. It would be good to meet everyone since we bought our SM just last August. Keep me posted. Mark and Jennfer S/V It's Good SM #105
On May 09, 2018, at 03:43 PM, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bush*** IMPORTANT RESPONSE***
Jose Venegas
Bill,
I cannot see how you can state that you are certain I installed the seals wrongly the first two times when I followed religiously the "amel way" and ended up with water in the C-Drive oil within two years of use. Also, I don't think that your answer to the water vs oil is so obvious: having salt or dirty water in the transmission is not good and certainly worse than having the level of oil drop by a few mm with can be topped up. In fact, it is recommended to check the level of transmission oil as much as the engine oil level before each engine start!. But let me be clear: lubricated SEALS DONT fail catastrophically and certainly not 3 at a time. Stating that I will only know about oil loss when the C-Drive meltdown is the same as saying that the C-Drive oil could be completely replaced with water while you are motoring along; IT JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN. The most important finding of my experiment was that the loss of oil ACTUALLY stopped AFTER I added an additive to the oil that effectively made it heavier. It was the same additive used for old engines to prolong their life before full repair. Not only I had no oil loss during use the last month of the season, and during the 5 months winter layover, but while the boat was hauled out and I waited for the bushing to arrive (5 days), there was not a single drop of oil out of the shaft !! That tells me that even though there was wear on the outer seal and bushing surface (see my pix in facebook) and that wear initially allowed some oil to escape after more than 4 years of use, when the oil was thickened, the seal began to work again and my guess is that it would have worked for a long time since it was now being lubricated in reverse due to the bushing wear. Also worth adding is that when I drained the oil from the C-Drive, it was as good as new. This is to be expected since, unlike engine oil, on the C-Drive the oil is not exposed to combustion materials and heavy temperatures and remains viable as long as no water leaks in. But, to avoid further discussion on the mater, let me be clear: I AM NOT RECOMMENDING TO SERVICE THE C-DRIVE EVERY 8 YEARS. I am just saying that "the amel way" for this particular issue can be improved and my experiment demonstrates it without any doubt. Personally, I will continue to replace the seals and oil every two years, or when the boat is wouled out but I am pretty sure that I will be able to reuse the bushing a few times, particularly after I have it chromed and I will continue reporting my experience in this forum. Jose
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