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Re: Dinghy type and storage

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We stored our new Highfield Ultralite 290 RIB dinghy like you see on the picture. We tried different types of storage but find at the end this one a good solution. Still good sight ahead, no blocked hatches, you can use the automatic winch to haul it out of the water. 

For shorter distances we also stored the dinghy like you see but turned it. It makes it easier to store it and to haul it back in the water, because you don't have to turn it. 

We take more lines to secure it like you see on the picture.

We put old fenders or pillows on the bottom so we don't scratch the boat. 

The 2,90 m dinghy was for our family (2 adults, 2 kids) perfect. Enough space for diving equipment, shopping and two more passengers as guests.

The type/size of the dinghy depends at the end on the size of your engine and the number of passengers.

I would always recommend a aluminum hull because of the light weight, even when the dinghy is more expensive.

 
Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397

Dinghy type and storage

james Hosford
 

What's the consensus on dinghy type and storage on an amel maramu? I see a lot other permanent rack ahead of the mast, while some with it tied down to the rear cabin top.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

James Alton
 

Joel,

   Thanks for clarifying my statement about the barrier coating on my boat so that there is no confusion with others.  Oliver kindly responded to me on the board several months ago and told me that he was also pretty sure that my boat would have the Amel anti-osmotic barrier.  What I meant to say in my previous post was that my boat does not have any barrier coating on the hull other than what Amel put there originally.  

   Cute story about why Amel put the barrier coating inside the gel coat.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 2, 2017, at 9:31 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, your boat almost certainly does have an anti-osmotic epoxy/platelet barrier coating system. It is installed INSIDE the gel coat. In other words, after the gel coat is applied to the mold, the anti-osmosis system goes in after. This is a proprietary system from Amel. The logic was if installed behind the gel coat, it is less likely to be inadvertently removed by overly aggressive bottom preparation/sanding by a boatyard worker paying more attention to the pretty girl with a nice figure walking by than his power sanding technique. That is exactly how it was explained to me by Amel guys at the shipyard!! Perspective. Ah, just one more reason I love the French.

 

Maybe Olivier will let us know precisely when this osmosis treatment was implemented. I think it was late 1985 or early 1986.

 

Have fun with your Anel. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell


Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Just read your post re fresh water pump replacement. Following advice given some time ago on the sight I replaced my pump (fitted to 385 2003 SM) with a shurflo aqua king 2 24v. The reason being that this enabled me to wire in the warning light in the galley, I tried the Jabsco par 4 because of the internal electronics this pump will not connect to the galley light. The accumulator tank is not necessary, a personal choice.
The difference “under the shower” is significantly better, decisions decisions.
Patrick CARAMELLE #385 Jolly Harbour w.e.f.16 November.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

amelforme
 

Hello Miles. Are you aware that you can remove the large slotted screws at the base of the saloon table where it meets the  sole and then lift the table ( it is heavy ) to find the access ports into the several baffle sections of your fresh water tanks? When you clean out the organic matter I am sure you will find, DO NOT USE BLEACH. White vinegar is a good alternative  If you intend to drink the water from the tank, there are several high quality filters that get rid of most any nasty stuff that may find its way back inside such as a Seagull from www.generalecology.com. Other systems work too but I am very familiar with the Seagull as it was optional from Amel at original construction and often ordered by my customers. You should access and clean the interior of your tanks yearly.

 

James, your boat almost certainly does have an anti-osmotic epoxy/platelet barrier coating system. It is installed INSIDE the gel coat. In other words, after the gel coat is applied to the mold, the anti-osmosis system goes in after. This is a proprietary system from Amel. The logic was if installed behind the gel coat, it is less likely to be inadvertently removed by overly aggressive bottom preparation/sanding by a boatyard worker paying more attention to the pretty girl with a nice figure walking by than his power sanding technique. That is exactly how it was explained to me by Amel guys at the shipyard!! Perspective. Ah, just one more reason I love the French.

 

Maybe Olivier will let us know precisely when this osmosis treatment was implemented. I think it was late 1985 or early 1986.

 

Have fun with your Anel. Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2017 6:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

 

 

Miles,

 

   When I bought my 1987 Maramu, the water had been sitting in the tank about 1/3 full for 4 years.  I did not drink it as it smelled a bit “swampy”.  Upon opening the tanks, I found snails and a considerable growth of black mildew, mainly on the upper portion and undersides of the tank.  After a thorough scrubbing and removal of the organics plus flushing the water tank a few times, the water no longer has any smell or taste  The interior coating which appears to be gelcoat on my boat is  is cracked in a few places and  so the water is getting to the laminate in places.  There were also a lot of gelcoat chips in the bottom of the tank which were getting into the plumbing and plugging the faucets.  The interior of my tank showed no blistering at all but the exterior of the hull which has never been barrier coated also shows no blisters (and no voids when tested with Ultrasonics)  so this may be a function of the resin used.  When my boat is laid up, I completely drain the tank, open the very fwd and aft access port and run a fan for a couple of days to remove the rest of the moisture.  (I was told by Michel Charpentier that this was the best way to leave the tank if the boat will be in storage for a while and it makes sense to me as well) This should reduce the future mildew growth.   While the tank water now tastes fine, I have been using bottled water for drinking where possible for personal consumption unless I am out of the bottled water.   My long term plan so currently is to recoat the interior of the tank with a safe coating and to then install a low pressure RO unit such as is used in homes (driven by the city water pressure) for the drinking water source.  

 

   The 1000L water capacity is a great feature of the boat IMO.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:50 AM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi there 

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks 

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did 

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning 

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull. 
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162

 

Re: Replacing AMFA Fresh Water System by Jabsco

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

What size Marco Pump do you have?  The UP3/E is 4GPM and the UP6/E is 6GPM.  Are you happy with the flowrate?

Thanks,
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

James Alton
 

Miles,

   When I bought my 1987 Maramu, the water had been sitting in the tank about 1/3 full for 4 years.  I did not drink it as it smelled a bit “swampy”.  Upon opening the tanks, I found snails and a considerable growth of black mildew, mainly on the upper portion and undersides of the tank.  After a thorough scrubbing and removal of the organics plus flushing the water tank a few times, the water no longer has any smell or taste.  The interior coating which appears to be gelcoat on my boat is  is cracked in a few places and  so the water is getting to the laminate in places.  There were also a lot of gelcoat chips in the bottom of the tank which were getting into the plumbing and plugging the faucets.  The interior of my tank showed no blistering at all but the exterior of the hull which has never been barrier coated also shows no blisters (and no voids when tested with Ultrasonics)  so this may be a function of the resin used.  When my boat is laid up, I completely drain the tank, open the very fwd and aft access port and run a fan for a couple of days to remove the rest of the moisture.  (I was told by Michel Charpentier that this was the best way to leave the tank if the boat will be in storage for a while and it makes sense to me as well) This should reduce the future mildew growth.   While the tank water now tastes fine, I have been using bottled water for drinking where possible for personal consumption unless I am out of the bottled water.   My long term plan so currently is to recoat the interior of the tank with a safe coating and to then install a low pressure RO unit such as is used in homes (driven by the city water pressure) for the drinking water source.  

   The 1000L water capacity is a great feature of the boat IMO.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

On Nov 2, 2017, at 5:50 AM, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi there 

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks 

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did 

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning 

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull. 
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I am the owner of the Maramu n° 116 (1982) & did some extensive refit on a boat which had suffered poor maintenance during teh last 10 years.

When reinforcing the bottom with époxy we found osmosis on the link between the GRP  & the keel ; we opened up all teh tanks & found that the gel coat lining the Inside of teh tanks had cracked & broken  letting fresh water seep through to create internal osmosis .

Cleaned, sanded & applied 3 layers of gelcoat resin suitable for drinking water on the two tanks aft for fresh water refill (cap. about 700 liters)

Isolated the 3 forward tanks . Forward as spare dry storage & two center ones as drinking water fed directly fro separate hose leading to tap Under the sinks.

Our desalinator is a Raiman – independent unit running on gas engine – giving 60 L/hr (easy to store in cockpit hatch).

Guess bad taste might come from gelcoat deterioration & slight osmosis (vinegar flavour ?).

Fair winds

Christian alby – Desirade VIII – Maramu 116 – Santa Cruz de Tenerife

 

Provenance : Courrier pour Windows 10

 

De : smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]
Envoyé le :jeudi 2 novembre 2017 09:50
À : amelyachtowners@...
Objet :[Amel Yacht Owners] Fresh water tanks

 

 

Hi there

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull.
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162

 

Fresh water tanks

smiles bernard
 

Hi there

On previous boats I've had stainless water tanks

My 1985 maramu has the tanks built into the hull. I guess all the Amels of that era did

The water has a pretty unpleasant tang to it so I'll do some tank cleaning

But I'm due to fit a watermaker soon and wondering if I should fit a small additional tank isolated just for drinking. Something that is easy to clean etc

I wonder if the tart is due to the water tanks being integral to hull.
I'd be interested to hear if others with a similar original setup have issues with unpleasant taste of water.

Many thanks

Miles
Maramu #162

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

The model 4.154 is obsolete now for  Secodi: they got rid of all parts they had & gave up on supply.
even though I will try them as they may have a clue on where to source parts next t the Amel shipyard.
rgds


Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎mercredi‎ ‎1‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎19‎:‎11‎:‎02‎ ‎CET, Peter Jaeger mallamok@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi Christian

I would contact Secodi in La Rochelle, they did an excelent job on my 1989 Perkins M80T. I don't know if the spare part situation is more easy with this engine, may be they can help you.
Best
Peter
SY Wilson / SM003 / La Rochelle


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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

thanks for tip
will get in touch
rgds

Christian Alby - France home fixe +33 (0)5 34 39 06 02 home Internet +33 (0)9 60 37 22 72 mobile +33 (0)6 42 69 07 80


Le ‎jeudi‎ ‎2‎ ‎novembre‎ ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎12‎:‎22‎ ‎CET, Andy Croney allezaubon@... [amelyachtowners] a écrit :


 

Hi Christian,

We found “Sheri Moon of Trans Atlantic Diesels “ very helpful with our rebuild a few years ago.

tadinc@...

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75


Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Andy Croney
 

Hi Christian,

We found “Sheri Moon of Trans Atlantic Diesels “ very helpful with our rebuild a few years ago.

tadinc@...

All the best

Andy
SV Paladin
Maramu #75

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Peter Jaeger
 

Hi Christian
I would contact Secodi in La Rochelle, they did an excelent job on my 1989 Perkins M80T. I don't know if the spare part situation is more easy with this engine, may be they can help you.
Best
Peter
SY Wilson / SM003 / La Rochelle


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Am Dienstag, Oktober 31, 2017, 07:10 schrieb calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] :

 

I am looking for repair parts to rebuild the Perkins 60 HP diesel engine on Désirade VIII - Maramu N° 116 built 1982.

The engine gave up on me in Tenerife, went in a cloud of smoke as DO went down & mixed with lube oïl, due to faulty oïl pump (worn out - loss of oïl pressure) . 

I sourced suppliers to rebuild cylinder head & blocks, but have difficulty finding a replacement camshaft & tappets, as well as a lube oïl pump. 

I am now looking for one old Perkins M 4.154, laid up somewhere in the world (as close as possible to Europe would be best) to purchase & use for parts, then refit as spare, as I feel more confident to rebuild & run an old engine than to go for the new generation, driven by computers, to sail in out of the main sea-routes.

Interested to hear from you all who did replace your engines.

Fair winds (as I hope to return to the same)


christian Alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu # 116 - now in Marina Atlantico Santa Cruz de Tenerife.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

amel46met
 

Hi group
My name is Tom S/Y Aphrodite 1983 Hull #125. My Perkins 4-154 was rebuilt 17 years ago and now has 5000 hours. I'm in Greece going west about, three more years till home in California. The Perkins seems to be still running strong. Maybe a rebuild when I get home. 


On Nov 1, 2017, at 7:24 AM, 'Warren Traill' trailz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi All. Or engine is the original 1980 Perkins 4.108. It was rebuilt around 1000 hours ago. It is still working very reliably [touch wood], just leaks small amounts of oil through the sump seal.

Regards,

Warren and Zetta,

Manon2

Sharki #15

Krabi.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 9:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 

 

Hello,

 

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone w ho can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

 

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu 121

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

Warren Traill
 

Hi All. Or engine is the original 1980 Perkins 4.108. It was rebuilt around 1000 hours ago. It is still working very reliably [touch wood], just leaks small amounts of oil through the sump seal.

Regards,

Warren and Zetta,

Manon2

Sharki #15

Krabi.

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 1 November 2017 9:02 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

 

 

Hello,

 

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone w ho can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

 

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu 121

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Eric,

We are leaving Santa Marta on Thursday after a very pleasant 6 week stay. We have had almost no issues with the soot. Most of our stay has been light winds, and rarely from the direction of the port. With that said, everyone says the wind will be strong from the ENE starting in December, and I suspect the problem may be worse then. We have really enjoyed the stop here, and will miss the place. 

Regards,

Steve and Liz
Aloha SM 72

On Oct 31, 2017, at 20:08, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi,
What is the soot situation like in the marina?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 KImberlite

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 07:28 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

eric freedman
 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Santa Marta

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Bit of a red herring if you ask me… no wind = no soot.

:-)

JPG 
Eleuthera, SM 007, Santa Marta, Columbia… with a gaggle of other Amel.

On 31 Oct 2017, at 20:08, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Hi,
What is the soot situation like in the marina?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 KImberlite

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 07:28 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 




Santa Marta

eric freedman
 

Re: Perkins M 4.154 repairs

sbmesasailor
 

Hello,

I'm sorry your Perkins has given up the ghost.  My 4-154 has 10,800 hours and I have been contemplating a rebuild or re-powering for several years.  I've been following threads of those who have had their engine rebuilt.  Unfortunately most stories do not end happily -most rebuilds fail in a year or less.  Consider the fact that your engine is 35 years old.  Most of the technicians who could have properly rebuilt your engine are retired.  In my opinion, anyone willing to rebuild it has grown up in a different culture that does not demand the type of attention to detail that a diesel rebuild requires.  You may indeed find someone who can do a good job but from what I've learned, your chances are slim.  Get names and contacts of former clients of your technician.

Sorry to be a Debby Downer.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu 121