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Series Drogue Construction Details

Mark Isaac
 

Hello All-

For those of you that carry a series drogue, what line was used to make it?  At least one company out there offers the drogue made fully or partially from the newer HMPE fibers.  Given the difference in characteristics (stretch and coefficient of friction come to mind)  between these new fibers and the double braid nylon used in the original study, I wonder if this is a good idea and if there are any studies to support this. 

The weight savings with the newer fibers would be substantial.  My concerns are that the cones may slip off or the shock load would cause damage to the boat and/or allow the drogue to break free.

Also, according to the original study, a boat displacing 40,000 pounds will require 160 cones give or take a few.  Several manufacturers of the drogue suggest construction using only 147 cones, but I can't find anything to explain the reduction in number.

Mark Isaac
SM 391, Lulu
South Freeport, Maine



Series Drogue Construction Details

Mark Isaac
 

Hello All-

For those of you that carry a series drogue, what line was used to make it?  At least one company out there offers the drogue made fully or partially from the newer HMPE fibers.  Given the difference in characteristics (stretch and coefficient of friction come to mind)  between these new fibers and the double braid nylon used in the original study, I wonder if this is a good idea and if there are any studies to support this. 

The weight savings with the newer fibers would be substantial.  My concerns are that the cones may slip off or the shock load would cause damage to the boat and/or allow the drogue to break free.

Also, according to the original study, a boat displacing 40,000 pounds will require 160 cones give or take a few.  Several manufacturers of the drogue suggest construction using only 147 cones, but I can't find anything to explain the reduction in number.

Mark Isaac
SM 391, Lulu
South Freeport, Maine




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigging

amelforme
 

Hello Heinz and I am sure you are really looking forward to heading out into the Pacific. One important question in order to give you correct advice, how old is the standing rigging on your boat today?

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

JOEL F. POTTER-CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

UNSURPASSED AMEL EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 10:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigging

 

 

Hallo all

 

I hope everyone survived the hurricane well.

my Quetzal is currently in Shelter Bay Marina in Panama on the dry one.

Does anyone know a good Rigger in panama?

I would like to have my rig checked before I go on to the Pacific.

I would be grateful for an answer.

 

Fair Winds

Heinz Stutenbäumer

SV Quetzal, SM 2000 - 292


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54

Arno Luijten
 

Hi,

If the pump gets that hot first check the voltage across the pump when running. It should be between 12 and 14 volts. If not the pump interface is broken as this converts the 24 volt coming from the compressor regulator to 12 volt.
I have ordered a new one at "www.penguinfrigo.co.uk". As I have received it by now, I can confirm it is physically the exact same as the original.

Direct link:

If the voltage is good then your pump is not working properly. It does get warm but not hot.

Interestingly I ordered two new pumps from penguinfrigo as well and I received two 24 volts pumps with stickers on them that these were intended for 12 volt.

My guess is that the originals were similar only the official frigoboat stickers ran out. Running a high capacity pump on 12 volt has three advantages

- It lasts longer
- It makes less noise
- it runs cooler

If the capacity is sufficient at 12 volts then you are good to go.

I will make a picture of the pump as soon as I am on the boat.

Arno
 


Re: Santorin Manuals?

Ian Park
 

Del
Pressed the wrong button! I don't have a wind generator on this boat, found them a bit noisy and also needed maintenance. On Ocean Hobo 8 have 200w of solar panel mounted on the aft side rails. They swivel to face the sun, or lie vertical against the rails while sailing.
The Santorin has a prop shaft alternator, so once your sailing at over 5 knots the batteries stay fully charged. I have four 100ah AGMs and a separate starter battery.
In UK I leave the fridge on and the solar panels keep the batteries at 100% while anchored. In the tropics the fridge works much harder and at anchor and the batteries were down to 75% in three days. I have a 2000w portable generator which connects straight to the shore power plug and charge through my battery charger, whilst also giving me hot water and mains power if I wanted it. It doesn't get used too often. A genset fitted would cost 5 or 6 times the price of the portable one.
I do have a watermaker fitted, and that is a great asset if you're living aboard for several months. The HP pump on mine is engine driven rather than electric, so no 12v power needed there.

Anything else you need to know, just ask

Good hunting

Ian


Re: Santorin Manuals?

Ian Park
 

I don’t have a wind generator


Re: Santorin Manuals?

haggismuncheruk@...
 

Hi Ian, 

Thanks for the info, so without a Genny onboard how do you find the battery bank holds up, do you have solar and wind fitted to keep them up or do you run the engine to charge the batteries.

I am indeed UK based, like yourself I too am a Scotsman thats moved south and I am currently based in East Anglia.

Best regards

Del


---In amelyachtowners@..., <parkianj@...> wrote :

Derek
Congratulations on your Santorin hunt. A very fine boat. I don’t believe there was ever a Santorin manual. I had a downloaded version of the SM manual which I found invaluable.. you just ignore the sections that the Santorin doesn’t have (dishwasher, washing machine, generator, dessalator etc.) I believe (but willing to be corrected) that most other parts were the same as the SM - sail gearboxes and motors, windlass, bow thruster, C drive, rotary autopilot, ballooner poles and setup and many other things. If true then the Santorin is very well over engineered, which is a great plus.
Anyway, there are one or two original Amel Santorin plans on the Yahoo site which are worth downloading.
Otherwise, there are quite a few of us ‘smaller sisters’ on the Amel owners site always ready with support.
For my part, if you are planning ocean passages - try and acquire the ketch. I never had a ketch before, but very glad I have one now. Extremely versatile for short handed sailing.
The Santorin is the biggest boat I have owned and is a dream to manoeuvre in and out of a tight space.
Good luck.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96

PS where are you based - we’ve just brought the boat back home to North Wales from the Caribbean. Sounds like you are UK.

from my iPhone


Re: Faulty Residual Current operated Circuit-Breaker,

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Hajo,

If your appliances work fine when the generator is running, then the problem is not the appliances, so we can eliminate that.
It seems to have to do with your shore power connection.
Perhaps you have an intermittent problem with the shore power cable.....maybe it has been contaminated with salt water, sometimes it works ok, sometimes it doesn't.
The residual current breaker works on the balance of current flow in the phase (brown) conductor and the neutral (blue) conductor. It will trip if there is an imbalance. The imbalance is caused by a relatively low resistance between one conductor and ground. 
Your meter measurements seem to indicate that.
I would consider replacing the shore power cable.

Best regards
Alan
Elyse SM437
Noumea


Re: Santorin Manuals?

Ian Park
 

Derek
Congratulations on your Santorin hunt. A very fine boat. I don’t believe there was ever a Santorin manual. I had a downloaded version of the SM manual which I found invaluable.. you just ignore the sections that the Santorin doesn’t have (dishwasher, washing machine, generator, dessalator etc.) I believe (but willing to be corrected) that most other parts were the same as the SM - sail gearboxes and motors, windlass, bow thruster, C drive, rotary autopilot, ballooner poles and setup and many other things. If true then the Santorin is very well over engineered, which is a great plus.
Anyway, there are one or two original Amel Santorin plans on the Yahoo site which are worth downloading.
Otherwise, there are quite a few of us ‘smaller sisters’ on the Amel owners site always ready with support.
For my part, if you are planning ocean passages - try and acquire the ketch. I never had a ketch before, but very glad I have one now. Extremely versatile for short handed sailing.
The Santorin is the biggest boat I have owned and is a dream to manoeuvre in and out of a tight space.
Good luck.

Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96

PS where are you based - we’ve just brought the boat back home to North Wales from the Caribbean. Sounds like you are UK.

from my iPhone


Faulty Residual Current operated Circuit-Breaker,

Hajo Hille
 

Good morning,

Since four weeks we have a very annoying problem.

We berthed three weeks in Thessaloniki, and after two weeks suddenly the circuit breaker fall down. When we started the generator every 220 V device worked well.

We changed the plug of the electrical wire. But the fault exists still.

Then we call for an electrician. He changed the automatic circuit breaker and the relay which connect the generator or the land power.

So everything was fine and the system works for our stay. Also in our next destination the system works for one week. Now we are in Lesbos and after one day the same fault occurs again.

When I plugged the land power of I measured between the "Blue Pole" and Earth 600 Kilo Ohm.
When I change the polarity of my in meter I measured " - 250 k Ohm ".

Any ideas ? I appreciate every approach.

Kind regards

Hajo
SM 150
Mitilini, Lesbos

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rigging

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Heinz,

I was 5 months in Panama and never heard of a rigger in the country.

However, the winds are lighter in the Pacific and if your rig was checked by a good rigger in the recent past, you’ll be ok.

If you need a GREAT one in Tahiti, look for Benoit Parnaudeau.  He used to rig Isabelle Autissier’s boat plus he skippered a Volvo 60 in the RTW solo event a few years back.

Good luck,

Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera SM 007
Vava’u, TONGA


On 17 Sep 2018, at 04:48, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Heinz

I believe there is only one rigger on the pacific side. A friend on a 55 would not give him a great review. John. john@... would be good to contact. 

I hope you guys are well!!

Porter 
Ibis A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Sep 16, 2018, at 9:11 AM, heinz@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hallo all


 

I hope everyone survived the hurricane well.

my Quetzal is currently in Shelter Bay Marina in Panama on the dry one. 

Does anyone know a good Rigger in panama? 

I would like to have my rig checked before I go on to the Pacific. 

I would be grateful for an answer.

 

Fair Winds

Heinz Stutenbäumer


SV Quetzal, SM 2000 - 292




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo engine RPM

John Clark
 

Hi All,
   just to add my little bit.  Our SM #37 was repowered in 2003 with a TAMD22.  At survey with clean fixed  prop and clean hull we got 2750 rpm and 7-8 kts.

Regarding the transmission:  we run with the shifter in neutral all the time so that the prop free spins.  At 4kts or above the prop shaft generator picks up and we are pretty much covers all the load.   I cannot see how running the transmission in neutral would damage the clutches?   It is not the same as running the engine with transmission in neutral?     We have now about 6000nm on the boat without issues.  Previous owners did two circumnavigations on this drive chain.  

                                John
SV Annie SM37
Chaguramus, Trinidad (hoping to leave for Grenada soon!) 

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:45 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi. Tmd 22 full rpm under power is 2800.

Many of us sweated not understanding this. If you get many more revs than this you are likely to have the turbo by pass frozen resulting in excessive boost and if not corrected fatal engine damage.

Danny

SM 299 Ocean pearl

On 16 September 2018 at 00:29 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Ahmet,

The engine speed for the Volvo TMD22 in a Super Maramu should run close to 3000 RPM at full throttle, with a clean hull and bottom. This should move the boat at 8 knots in calm water.

Most people seem to cruise at between 6 and 7 knots and 2000 to 2500 RPM.

It is important to note that this is slower maximum engine rpm than the specifications published by Volvo. This was a deliberate decision by Amel to have the engine run quieter and last longer.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,
I would like to say hello to everybody and thanks for very helpful info sharing here.
I bought my Amel 1999 six mounts ago, My engine Volvo TMD 22, 1999, 2500hours.
I would like to learn what average engine rpm should I see with max power with clean auto prop propeller.
When I was sailing with engine off, still I observed slow turn in drive shaft, is this normal for auto prop properler.

Thanks for your help


Ahmet KİPCAK

 


 


 


Re: Volvo engine RPM

greatketch@...
 

Miles,

The day I get nothing wrong, is the day I say nothing...  

I'll modify my comment and say I know it is correct for fixed props and Maxprops.  I'll defer to Autoprop owners, for procedures with their equipment.

Bill


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Volvo engine RPM

greatketch@...
 

If the Autoprop can spin the shaft when it is in reverse, that would be a bad thing.  If it never spins when in forward, then that would be the correct position, for sure.

Anytime a prop back drives the shaft with the transmission in gear (F or R) it is wearing the clutches.

For a Maxprop the correct sequence is to stop the engine always in forward, then shift to reverse to be sure the shaft does not spin.  If stopped while turning in reverse, the blades do not feather.  Under normal conditions, if the prop is fully feathered, it will not spin in neutral either.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: Volvo engine RPM

greatketch@...
 

Miles, 

You have the TMD22 engine with the Hurth 250 transmission and no shaft brake?

Bill Kinney


Re: Santorin Manuals?

haggismuncheruk@...
 

Hi Ian,

I have downloaded the manuals for the Super Maramu and shall have a read through them.

I do intend to get the ketch version of the Santorin when I find the one.

I am indeed a Scotsman like yourself, I currently live on the east coast of England these days though. 

Thanks for the reply Ian.

Best regards

Del





Re: Volvo engine RPM

Miles
 

Hi Ian,

I think that the instruction depends on the propeller.  The autoprop has the ability to reverse its blades.  My boat also has an original plate but mine says to always put the gear in forward when sailing and to never put it in reverse.

Miles

Ladybug, sm 216, Newport, RI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Voting from Martinique

Mark Erdos
 

Paul,

 

First and foremost, congratulations on your new Amel. You are going to love it.

 

Anything other than DHL or FedEx coming from the USA is most likely to get lost or can take up to 8 weeks to arrive. Same is true for mail going to the USA. The marina will happily accept packages and mail if you are in the dock or on a mooring. Be sure to include the vessel name on the outside in large print. Also, mark the mail as “documents – no declared value”. It will clear customs faster with this on it.

 

As for any other suggestions on voting – I’m not sure the group would appreciate me going there.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Bonaire

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:04 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Voting from Martinique

 

 

Hello group.  We will be new SM owners in a couple weeks in the Windward Islands, and will be staying at Le Marin for a while in November, including election day.  We are trying to figure out how we will vote (as it is kinda important right now...).  We have someone collecting our mail in the US and we thought maybe she could send our ballots to us in Martinique and then we would send them back to the US.  Can you Le Marin people tell me how the folks at the marina handle incoming mail like that?   Or any other suggestions about voting?

Thanks,

Paul C.

SM #238


Volvo air filters / diesel filters

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

The local Volvo dealer in Curacao is charging USD 94.00 for an air filter and USD 46.00 for a diesel filter for my DS3-111. Where do you guys stock parts like this and what are the prices that you see in the market in the U.S. or Europe?
fair winds,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
A54-15


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Question about the refrigiration system on an A54

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Hi all,
I'm running the Flojet 4405-343 pump. It's what I found installed from the former owner. It runs but it gets really hot (can barely touch 5 Sec) Does anyone else have experience with this model or is there any advice from folks who understand electrics better than I do?
Best regards,
Alex
NO STRESS
A54-15
Bonaire

On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 2:44:30 PM GMT-4, Garulfo sv svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:


 

Hello
When we replaced ours earlier this year, were also given the flojet 4105-512 as the exact equivalent of the frigoboat one. ( 12v, maxA & flow).
There are several versions of this pump -4 models tab

Been working fine since. 

Soraya & Thomas
Garulfo 
A54-122
Curacao 






On 3 Sep 2018, at 12:46, brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Scott,

Having gone through this earlier this year and after a conversation with Coastal Climate Control in Annapolis, MD, a representative of Frigoboat I believe that the 4105-512 1.6 gpm Flojet pump is the correct pump.  They assured me that the flow rate and 12 volts are correct.  The pump interface takes care of the apparent voltage mismatch. The higher flow rate and increased current draw provided by the 4105-343 is not warranted.

I have the 4105-512 on a very similar Amel, #68.  The refrigeration operates well.  The -512 suffix specifies motor voltage and 3/4" hose barb fittings. 

Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54 - 68
Hampton, VA

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