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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Non slip repair

Ian Park
 

James
Thanks for the information.
I don’t have any big areas of damage to warrant the making of a mould, but it’s a useful description of the procedure should it happen. Mine are small areas, particularly the steps on the bathing platform which have taken a few knocks from the passarelle and other objects being brought aboard.
I have ground these out and attempted to recreate the non slip pattern by dripping wavy lines of gel coat. My artistic skills need more development!

All the best

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 Grenada

Re: new anchor chain

greatketch@...
 

Alex,

We have only used galvanized chain on our Super Maramu.  There are times (usually after quite rough sailing) that the chain pile has fallen over and needs help coming out of the locker.  In every case the only help needed was to give it a pull--by hand--to help the windlass lift the chain out from the bottom of the pile.  

Stainless chain does pile more neatly, and is sure looks pretty.  Neither of those attributes would sell me on using it because it has a slightly lower breaking strength than G40 high test galvanized chain, and I have seen stainless parts fail in ways that are not obvious to visual inspection.  

Not to mention the very high cost premium! In the USA 100 meters of 3/8" (10mm) stainless will cost about US$7000 MORE than the same length of G40 galvanized.

If you do use stainless, 316L is the better choice.  With a higher molybdenum content it is much more resistant to chloride corrosion than 316.  Unfortunately it is slightly weaker...  (15,000 lb breaking for 316L vs 18,000 lb for 316, vs 20,500 for G40 galvanized).  Be sure the chain is fully electropolished after welding to help prevent crevice corrosion.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
On the hard at LMC,
Fort Lauderdale, FL

---In amelyachtowners@..., <alexramseyer@...> wrote :

Dear Amelians, my original stainless steel anchor chain that came with the boat in 2005 doesn't look good anymore. I want to replace it. Given the position of the anchor chain locker and the inability to access it immediately in case something is stuck, I believe it's a good idea to to buy a stainless steel chain again, given it's characteristic to drop nicely without building up piles.

However, some sailors tell my stainless is a waste of money (because the maybe only real good stainless chain is from Walder in Germany and is VERY expensive and others aren't worth the investiment due to bad quality) and galvanized is the way to go. Can you share your experience?

Also, does any of you know which company was the AMEL OEM for stainless steel chains in 2005?
Thanks as always for your valuable input,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Non slip repair

James Alton
 

Ian,

   If you are dealing with a small area,  it is possible to lift a copy of the deck pattern using a mold which can be used to create a patch of gel coat that can be fitted into the deck.  It is fairly tricky work and you often end up with visible blend lines but if you want to keep the original deck this could be something to consider.  You will need gel coat that will match the existing deck AFTER it is cured/ ages and this can be one of the difficult steps.  If you match the gelcoat at the present time it usually ends up being too dark.  Most gelcoats also change colour after they cure so be sure to used cured samples when evaluating the colour.    In determining the colour to match, remove the oxidation of the area that you plan to repair and get to the base colour.  Your first step after obtaining the gel coat is usually to temporarily repair the damaged area and replicate as best you can the wood grain.  You can use something easy to machine like bondo since it is just temporary.    It might however  be worth first carefully looking over the deck to see if the simulated wood grain pattern repeats in other areas and if so you can lift your mold from an undamaged area without having to recreate the damaged area.  I have had the best luck in creating temporary molds for this kind of work using Epoxy rather than polyester since you can eliminate the shrinkage factor of about 3% which helps with matching things up.  The lifted mold would be prepared with a release agent such as Mequiars Mold release wax  a coating of PVA, or both.  The gel coat is applied to the mold, cured and followed with one layer of 3/4 ounce matt to make the gelcoat patch a bit stronger.  The area to be repaired on the deck would then need to be milled down so that the repair part is a good fit and bonded in place.  The gelcoat joints would need to be set in a matching gelcoat and later trimmed/sanded to make a good blend. Using a bit of a scarf at the ends will make the bond between the new and old gel coat a bit stronger.  The repair pc, of course needs to be set at exactly the correct height and position for all of the detail to match up.  Regular gelcoat is air inhibited to keep it tacky in a mold to help with the bond of the fibreglass to follow.  This is fine if you are applying the gelcoat to the temporary mold but if you apply gelcoat anywhere that the finished surface is exposed, you must seal off the air from the gelcoat to get a hard cure using PVA or adding wax.   A really good fibreglass guy should be able to handle this for you if you don’t want to go through the process yourself..there is a definite learning curve!   If the area to be repaired is really small, it might be possible to patch with gelcoat in the normal way and to then carve a pattern to match and blend into what is there.

Best of luck,

James

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 12, 2017, at 6:35 PM, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Miles
I don’t know how to replicate the non slip pattern. It’s a great design cos it doesn’t hurt your feet. However the colour of the Santorin and probably every other Amel is an ivory - so you don’t get the glare off the deck. I got some gel coat from Amel in La Rochelle. I guess most of the Amel places around must keep some in stock.
If you find out how to replicate the pattern, please share!!

Good hunting

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 - afloat at last Clarke’s Court, Grenada!


Re: Non slip repair

Ian Park
 

Miles
I don’t know how to replicate the non slip pattern. It’s a great design cos it doesn’t hurt your feet. However the colour of the Santorin and probably every other Amel is an ivory - so you don’t get the glare off the deck. I got some gel coat from Amel in La Rochelle. I guess most of the Amel places around must keep some in stock.
If you find out how to replicate the pattern, please share!!

Good hunting

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN 96 - afloat at last Clarke’s Court, Grenada!

Re: new anchor chain

Wolfgang Weber
 

Hello Alex,
There are only few or one? quality of stainless steel qualified  for saltwater ! with water temperature over 25 degree Celsius.  If the steel is not qualified you have cavities in the surface of the chain which will cause a sudden breaking  - the chain will still look good. 
I would not spend money for a stainless steel anchorchain. 

 Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162

Re: Refrigerator replacement AMEL54

Duane Siegfri
 

Thomas,

How did the install go?

Duane
Wanderer, SM #477

Re: Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

carcodespam@icloud.com <no_reply@...>
 

Gary:
A bandwidth of 150 GB per second is rather unusual when GB means GigaBits as you wrote. At home I have an optical fiber cable connection with the fastest available internet connection of 100 MegaBits/s and here on board in Tunesia I have about 6 MegaBits/s in the marina by WiFi. But I have never seen something with GigaBits/s anywhere in the world.

Gerhard

Non slip repair

smiles bernard
 

Hello
There are a few small areas of damage to my deck
I believe the non slip faux teak is part of the original layup gelcoat?
Does anyone have any advice on good ways to repair small sections ?
Perhaps just colour match some gel coat is the only option?

Many thanks and fair winds!

Miles
Maramu 1985

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

This may fix your problem:

Using a browser, go to the Amel Owner's Group website on Yahoo. Log out, then login.

Usually works except when it is caused by low bandwidth. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 12, 2017 06:01, "amelliahona" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Is anybody else having trouble accessing the photos section?   I have used a couple of different computers and a couple of different browsers and I am getting limited and spotty viewing of photos.


Wondering if our moderator might check this out and see if there is a problem on the Yahoo side of things. 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina  - Puerto Rico

new anchor chain

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Dear Amelians, my original stainless steel anchor chain that came with the boat in 2005 doesn't look good anymore. I want to replace it. Given the position of the anchor chain locker and the inability to access it immediately in case something is stuck, I believe it's a good idea to to buy a stainless steel chain again, given it's characteristic to drop nicely without building up piles.

However, some sailors tell my stainless is a waste of money (because the maybe only real good stainless chain is from Walder in Germany and is VERY expensive and others aren't worth the investiment due to bad quality) and galvanized is the way to go. Can you share your experience?

Also, does any of you know which company was the AMEL OEM for stainless steel chains in 2005?
Thanks as always for your valuable input,
Alex
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54 #15

Icom ps-66 DC-DC converter.

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I seem to remember at least one owner looking for the Icom 24VDC to 12VDC converter for an SSB...here you are for $250


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Mark:  I received the PDFs via email, thank you,  Gerhard and Duane, thanks for your reply.  Trying the photos section again this morning I am having the same problem.  Running a speed test on my internet connection is showing 150 GB per second download speed and I am not having problems with any other applications.  When I look at the photos thumbnails there are random blank areas and if I try to open a thumbnail it goes to a low resolution picture and the download circling "wait" icon just runs and the photo will never open.  The files section seems to be ok on my end.  I can't find our moderator information anymore to attempt to have him/her contact Yahoo to see if there is an issue. Thanks for the thoughts. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona
Amel SM #335

garysilver at mac dot com

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

Andy Buxford
 

Do you have a Yahoo account?

I do not, and am only able to access attachments from the link in the
original message, not from the other messages in the thread (where it
says "Check out the automatic photo album with 1 photo(s) from this
topic.").

EG. in the thread "Sea cock & thru hulls", (S)Miles Bernard attaches
an image in his message sent 6 Nov 2017 20:15 PST - there are two
attachment links in that, only one of them works for me, the other
shows me a Yahoo login (and I have no Yahoo account).

I can also see the attachment sent by Heinz Stutenbäumer at 9 Nov 2017
09:57 in the thread "phased electronics replacement" - that is
actually in the body of the message, and I don't even have to click a
link, Much better!

I think maybe one of these posters posts via email, the other via Yahoo Groups.

I would much prefer a plain text mailing list.

Andy.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 5:59 AM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:


Is anybody else having trouble accessing the photos section? I have used a
couple of different computers and a couple of different browsers and I am
getting limited and spotty viewing of photos.

Re: Rub Rail Hull/Deck Joint Drawings

Duane Siegfri
 

I foud your email and sent the rub rail pdf.

Re: Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

mfmcgovern@...
 

Gary,

I'm having similar issues and can't access any Photos. I also checked the Files section and I can't download any Files. I get a message stating "Yahoo - 400 Bad Request" when I try to download a File. Definitely not good!

Mark
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

Re: Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

carcodespam@icloud.com <no_reply@...>
 

No problems here. Perhaps you have a poor internet connection?
Images are usually something greater than plain text files.

Gerhard

Re: Rub Rail Hull/Deck Joint Drawings

Duane Siegfri
 

Gary, I embeded it in this message.  Your email address was cut off.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477

Rub Rail Hull/Deck Joint Drawings

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi All:


I know there are pictures of the hull deck joint/rub-rail structure in the photos section but I can't get that section to work at the moment.  Does someone have a PDF or photo of the Amel structural drawings of the  rub-rail and hull/deck joint area that could forward it to me at AgCEagle@....



Thanks, 


Gary S. Silver 

s/v Liahona

Amel SM #335

Photos Section Problems - Yahoo Nov 2017

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Is anybody else having trouble accessing the photos section?   I have used a couple of different computers and a couple of different browsers and I am getting limited and spotty viewing of photos.


Wondering if our moderator might check this out and see if there is a problem on the Yahoo side of things. 


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM #335

Puerto Del Rey Marina  - Puerto Rico

Re: phased electronics replacement

Dominique Guenot
 

Thanks Bill K


Dominique Guenot
+679 935 2976

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