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Leakage from C-Drive Reservoir

Dean Gillies

#41549

Hi guys,
I noticed today a small amount of leakage from the cap of my C-Drive reservoir. This was after a fast 3 hour motor at 2100rpm into a F3 and choppy sea. I guess the transmission was working reasonably hard. The upper casing was around 75degC.  

My take on this is that the back pressure in the reservoir  releases the cap and a little fluid leaks out, maybe just because of the boat movement. The reservoir is showing max level (actually a little above). 

I just wanted to throw it out there in case this is something more of a concern than I’m giving it credit for.

I’ll be replacing the transmission fluid in a week or so so i’ll make sure not to go up to Max next time.

Cheers
Dean
SY STELLA
AMEL 54 #154

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts

#41548

Thank you very much Scott!!!

Really appreciated!

Porter

Excuse the errors.

Sent from my IPhone

Www.fouribis.com

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On Aug 17, 2018, at 10:59 AM, cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...> wrote:

Porter,

I am not on the boat now to test it out, but here's a method to try to get your error codes, as shown by Volvo Penta Americas:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLuvnhKtcH8

This is with the EVC-C panel, so I am not sure it will work with our setup. I have some error codes too and will test out next time I'm on the boat. Of course you'll need the shop manual to decode it.

Good luck.

-Scott
A54
SV Tengah

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

CW Bill Rouse

#41547

Arthur,

Amel has used the German-made stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't really like any swivel made by others. For more information, Google it.

BTW, like it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is, but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course, that is my opinion and I understand that it could be argued.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

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On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Arthur,

We do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people do.

With a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found twisting of chain to be a significant issue. Especially in deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor comes up. Other people have had more trouble with twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do not...

We use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you can get with a standard shackle.

In general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough confidence in to actually use.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

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Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

greatketch@...

#41546

Arthur,

We do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people do.

With a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found twisting of chain to be a significant issue. Especially in deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor comes up. Other people have had more trouble with twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do not...

We use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you can get with a standard shackle.

In general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough confidence in to actually use.

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, MD, USA

---In amelyachtowners@..., <arthur@...> wrote :

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

Skickat från min iPhone

New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

amelyachtowners@...

#41545

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts

#41544

Great article Bill.

Thank you very much.

I’m very interested in this marinized Kubota /Beta.

Some good thinking out there!

Porter A54-152

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On Aug 18, 2018, at 5:55 AM, 'S/V Garulfo' svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello

we struggled to find it too and ended up purchasing this version (for 110B not C) from this website: https://www.reliable-store.com/

I have uploaded the manuals we have for the volvo penta d3 to the files section: Volvo Penta

The fault codes can be seen in the table of contents of the D3 workshop manual but the document is not complete. I’ll see if I can find a better version.

Thomas
away from
GARULFO A54-122
Curaçao

On 17 August 2018 at 21:34, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thomas, do you have a suggestion on where to get a workshop manual?
I’ve had no luck with Volvo, or the ‘manuals-online’ sites.
Cheers
Dean

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Patrick McAneny

#41543

Danny, Should be, I wish you and Yvonne could join us.

Pat

SM123

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-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Wow. What a gathering.

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific

On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend. If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site. Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to at tend, that should make for a hell of a party!

Pat & Diane McAneny

SM Shenanigans

Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
Boat Who number of people
Will fly in Joel Potter 1
1 Shenanigans Pat & Diane McAneny 2
2 Kristy Kent Robertson and Iris 2
3 Life is Good Vladimir and Marina 2
4 Aletes Mike & Lauren Ondra
2
Aletes Tom Peacock 1
5 It's Good Mark and Jennifer Garver 2
6 Cara Mark and Denise McGovern 2
7 Galene Greg and Lora Wirth 2
8 Wanderer Duane and Peg Siegfried 2
9 Harmonie Bill Kinney and Karen Smith 2
10 Sangaris Craig and Katherine 2
looking for a boat Alan and Laura Grayson 2
11 Brevis Sherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers 2
12 TouRai Steve Morrison 1
13 Fiasco Aras 1
14 Have Fun! David Lambertsen 1
15 Brass Ring Mark and Debbie Mueller 2
16 Joy Chuck and Kim Lacey 2
17 Rascal Rick and Linda Grimes 2
Future SM2K owner Brent Cameron 1

Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie

#41542

YES Bob very good...but i doubt we could carry an anchor that size !!

However, I do remember many years ago Steve saying if people joke about the large size of your anchor, you've probably got it about right...at that time we had a very small boat, BUT we had the biggest anchor that would fit, and we never dragged.

We have dragged only once with Elyse and that was , I am sure, due to a not so good anchorage, rocky bottom, and a serious wind change, that sent us loose towards a reef...thanks to the Furuno anchor alarm, we managed to move after only a minor contact with the reef

AND we had about 4:1 scope on all chain with a nylon snubber in about 25 knots

But it was the bottom holding that was the issue...not scope, not the anchor..

Every situation is different ....you have to work it out for your self...

Cheers

Alan

Elyse Sm437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Sv Garulfo

#41541

Hello

we struggled to find it too and ended up purchasing this version (for 110B not C) from this website: https://www.reliable-store.com/

I have uploaded the manuals we have for the volvo penta d3 to the files section: Volvo Penta

The fault codes can be seen in the table of contents of the D3 workshop manual but the document is not complete. I’ll see if I can find a better version.

Thomas

away from

GARULFO A54-122

Curaçao

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On 17 August 2018 at 21:34, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Thomas, do you have a suggestion on where to get a workshop manual?
I’ve had no luck with Volvo, or the ‘manuals-online’ sites.
Cheers
Dean

Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie

#41540

YES Bob very good...but i doubt we could carry an anchor that size !!

However, I do remember many years ago Steve saying if people joke about the large size of your anchor, you've probably got it about right...at that time we had a very small boat, BUT we had the biggest anchor that would fit, and we never dragged.

We have dragged only once with Elyse and that was , I am sure, due to a not so good anchorage, rocky bottom, and a serious wind change, that sent us loose towards a reef...thanks to the Furuno anchor alarm, we managed to move after only a minor contact with the reef

AND we had about 4:1 scope on all chain with a nylon snubber in about 25 knots

But it was the bottom holding that was the issue...not scope, not the anchor..

Every situation is different ....you have to work it out for your self...

Cheers

Alan

Elyse Sm437

Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

rossirossix4

#41539

Related to recent discussions on this....an informative article on chain vs chain and rope in deeper anchoring. BTW gotta love Steve Dashew -- 3/8" 10mm chain and a 110kg 250lb Rocna--anyway-- https://www.petersmith.net.nz/boat-anchors/catenary.php

Bob and Suzanne, SM 429 KAIMI

Currently Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat, France

Re: Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Alan Leslie

#41538

We have 100m of Maggi Aqua 4 chain and 200m of rope.

We have only had to use the rope twice and that was in 30+ knots in French Polynesia.

We would prefer not to use the rope if at all possible.

When I bought the new chain in 2014 and I saw what space it occupied in the chain locker, I realised that i could have bought 130m + ...and i will next time

Cheers

Alan

Elyse Sm437

Vanuatu.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dean Gillies

#41537

Porter,
I’ve done your smoke test. 
Yes, under the rapid throttle action, a puff of black smoke comes from our Volvo exhaust exactly as you describe. Not confidence inspiring! Hmmm.

I look forward to seeing other owners results of this quick test.


Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154

Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Arthur Sundqvist

#41536

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista.   SM 435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>

#41535

Hi Ruedi and Sabina,

Alas, we are land bound at the moment, back in London, bound for Brazil for the autumn in one of those aluminium tubes that sails in the air. We have left Pen Azen ashore in Kiladha and won't be afloat again until April. Never left a boat for so long since we first had one in 1977. It's going to be a tough winter....

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302

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From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 18 August 2018 07:07:38
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Thank you Ian, I found the real issue.

I had a vertical windlass in my former boat, never had a twist issue. When the Chain locker is deep enough it shouldn't be that critical with "Verticals".

Where in Greece are you cruising?

Cheers

Ruedi & Sabina

SY WASABI, A-54.#55

On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:46, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi,

I have heard it said that the twisting of an anchor chain is sometimes a feature of a vertical windlass , now more widely fitted on all yachts ,as opposed to the horizontal windlass such as the Lofrans found on the SM and earlier Amels. The vertical windlass involves two directional changes in the chain before it reaches the locker, the horizontal windlass only one. I only have experience of the earlier type so I have no personal experience to know if this is true.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 17 August 2018 11:01:09
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Dear Amelias

On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).

I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage.

Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain?

- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ??

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

Re: Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Dean Gillies

#41534

Ruedi,
I have had exactly the same problem with my chain since we bought the boat.

I have the ISO chain with 30mm inside dimension and the WASI powerball, now fitted to my gal Rocna. (Yes, I now have a different dissimilar metals problem than before :-)

I’ve reached the conclusion that it’s just another feature of the boat.  I tend to lay shorter chain with the Rocna, so the problem happens less frequently for me.

See you in Preveza soon.
Cheers
Dean

Sent from my iPhone X

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Rudolf Waldispuehl

#41533

Thank you Ian, I found the real issue.

I had a vertical windlass in my former boat, never had a twist issue. When the Chain locker is deep enough it shouldn't be that critical with "Verticals".

Where in Greece are you cruising?

Cheers

Ruedi & Sabina

SY WASABI, A-54.#55

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On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:46, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Ruedi,

I have heard it said that the twisting of an anchor chain is sometimes a feature of a vertical windlass , now more widely fitted on all yachts ,as opposed to the horizontal windlass such as the Lofrans found on the SM and earlier Amels. The vertical windlass involves two directional changes in the chain before it reaches the locker, the horizontal windlass only one. I only have experience of the earlier type so I have no personal experience to know if this is true.

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 17 August 2018 11:01:09
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Dear Amelias

On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).

I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage.

Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain?

- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ??

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Rudolf Waldispuehl

#41532

Thank you Bill & Bill

I learned a lot about ISO and DIN chains, - what the former owner unfortunately was not aware when he ordered a new Stainless Steel Chain in 2014!

Hope I can get the 202 Type Gypsy from Lewmar.

Cheers

Ruedi

SY WASABI

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On 17 Aug 2018, at 23:33, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

As Bill R points out, varying chain standards are very frequently a source of trouble.

The best advice I received was is to always take the gypsy along with you when buying chain, and make SURE that the new chain lies perfectly in the wheel. Not close... perfect.

Do not trust the vendor, or the markings. Test the fit.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Alan Leslie

#41531

Thanks for the interesting article.

I'm glad I don't have one of those, but if engine replacement becomes necessary in the future, this could be a real issue. We have 3600 hours on our Yanmar 4JH3HTE and it runs perfectly, may it continue for a long time !!

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS

#41530

Wow. What a gathering.

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific

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On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend. If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site. Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to attend, that should make for a hell of a party!

Pat & Diane McAneny
SM Shenanigans

Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
Boat Who number of people
Will fly in Joel Potter 1
1 Shenanigans Pat & Diane McAneny 2
2 Kristy Kent Robertson and Iris 2
3 Life is Good Vladimir and Marina 2
4 Aletes Mike & Lauren Ondra
2
Aletes Tom Peacock 1
5 It's Good Mark and Jennifer Garver 2
6 Cara Mark and Denise McGovern 2
7 Galene Greg and Lora Wirth 2
8 Wanderer Duane and Peg Siegfried 2
9 Harmonie Bill Kinney and Karen Smith 2
10 Sangaris Craig and Katherine 2
looking for a boat Alan and Laura Grayson 2
11 Brevis Sherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers 2
12 TouRai Steve Morrison 1
13 Fiasco Aras 1
14 Have Fun! David Lambertsen 1
15 Brass Ring Mark and Debbie Mueller 2
16 Joy Chuck and Kim Lacey 2
17 Rascal Rick and Linda Grimes 2
Future SM2K owner Brent Cameron 1