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Re: Upwind advice please

rossirossix4
 

My recollection (I think it is in the Explorer Chart Pack) is that you steer an S (not exacly) shaped course from the mainland.  First make East as much as you can, then you can ease off your angle as the stream carries you north hen East again when it subsides on the approach. So your plotter may show you heading too far north while you are solidly in the stream but it will improve again as it slows nearer your destination.  Making as much East as you can initially has my vote.  The Explorer Chart Pack is extremely helpful (essential) in cruising the Bahamas BTW.
Bob, KAIMI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Porter,

wind against tide or current can produce very short steep seas. I have encountered them at times in Ocean Pearl and in previous boats. Gong into those seas either hard on the wind or tight reaching inevitably causes crashing, horrible repetitive crashing. Exacerbated by the Amels speed, as she thrusts up off one wave and lands hard on the next. I reduce sail and slow down until the crashing stops,down to 2 or 3 knots. Alternatively bear away to a wider angle, again until the crashing stops. (or a bit of both) I have no desire to break my boat. This is called seamanship. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 November 2017 at 07:26 "portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...


 


 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

James Alton
 

Joel,

Joel, 

  The hole on the top of my rudder is on the top horizontal face perhaps a couple inches aft of where the rudder post exits.  The hole appears to be about the same size as the one on the bottom of the rudder.  I assume that the top hole must have been done by the factory since there is no evidence that the rudder has ever been removed and I cannot imagine accessing this area to drill a hole otherwise.   I first became aware of the hole when lying in the aft bunk with the boat pitching a bit and hearing a bubbling noise.    From the dock I could see the bubbles coming out of the top hole as the rudder submerged.  (grin)  It is almost impossible to see from the top of the rudder and the hole on my boat since the rudder to hull clearance is so close.   I really like the vented rudder concept as opposed to the more common practice of using a foam core.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 12:56 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,
Where is the hole on the top? I haven't found one.

Joel,
Did all the rudders have both bottom and top holes?  It does make sense to allow better flow.

Best,
Craig SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Graham,

   Joel and Bill have answered your question and I concur that my Maramu has a drain hole at the bottom of the rudder as well.  I would only add that on my Maramu that after hauling the boat, I fill and drain the inside of the rudder with fresh water a couple of ti mes to try and remove most of the salt.  I am careful to insure that the air vent in the top of the rudder is open so that the rudder does not develop internal pressure from filling the rudder with freshwater.   My thoughts are that it is always best to remove salt where possible before storing a boat and thanks to the unique Amel rudder design this is one more place that can be rinsed.   I am curious if other Amel owners do this?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our ou r
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Craig. Thank you brother!  Cemented the decision. 
Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:49 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,


Here is last night's forecast from Chris Parker, the weather guru in this part of the world - check out his website and you can subscribe to his service (that's a free plug for Chris, to make up for inappropriately sharing his info). It does look like there is a motoring window overnight Saturday. And since you will just be a trawler-with-sticky-up-things it won't make much difference if you leave from Lake Worth vs. Ft La-dee-da. Since you're post was marked Ft Lauderdale, just leave from there and save the schlep north to Palm Beach, which will be a nasty ride into that NE wind, anyway.

Since you want to go all the way to the Berry's it seems you'll be at great risk of catching the Sunday afternoon Front while you're still underway. Unless you're on a forced march, you should definitely take Jeff's advice #3 and select the weevil on the right.

Cheers, Craig, SN#68

CROSSING:

Travel not recommended thru Fri17 due to NE winds.. W-bound travel gradually improves Sat18 with sailing

N&S ROUTE: NE@15-20g26/7-9' thru overnight; NNE-NE@17-22g28
Sun19 evening-overnight; NE


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Porter,
A couple things, (and I'm making some assumptions):
1. It looks like the wind has been blowing out of the northerd  rather freshly , or a little east of north. Considering the strong northerly push of the gulf stream, it's a recipe for a short steep wind swell, from the north.
If the wind on Saturday is on your nose, and you can't sail her, and have to rely on motoring, you will be in for a very uncomfortable run. 
2. In your boat, the question isn't whether you can do it, but how much of a beating you want to take. Personally, an uncomfortable stretch motoring isn't something I enjoy. 
3. If you have the time, (and what's a day in the life of a sailor?), wait for more favorable conditions (or the lesser of 2 weevils...any O'Brien fans out there?)
4. If your friend wants to go, tell him you'll catch up with him. 
Have fun!
Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:26 PM, portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you guys very much!  
Some great advice. I think we’ll leave late Saturday.   10 hours to the banks. 
Then another 12 across the banks to southern Berry’s. 

Really appreciate the thoughts and kind advice 

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:37 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Porter;
 
Our 54 handles waves on the bow well. However, she has to have enough momentum to punch through the waves and not hobby horse on the waves.
 
In order to have enough momentum, our approach is to fall off the wind enough so we are in a close haul, sheet in the main,genoa and Mizzen and motor sail. If necessary, we sometimes move the main and mizzen travelers to windward to allow us to better point into the wind. The slight heel and power from the sails on this point of sail in combination with the thrust of the engine provides sufficient momentum to punch through most seas. We adjust the engine RPMs and how far off the wind we motor sail by the motion of the bow. If we start feeling the bow is having too much of a vertical up/down motion we increase RPMs and/or fall off the wind for more power and heel. In general if you can get her to heel 5 degrees or more, she settles in and punches through. We have found that adding the staysail to this sail combination, given sufficient wind, allows us to better point upwind as well.
 
I do agree with others that waiting for a better weather window would be our first choice.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 


James,
Where is the hole on the top? I haven't found one.

Joel,
Did all the rudders have both bottom and top holes?  It does make sense to allow better flow.

Best,
Craig SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <lokiyawl2@...> wrote :

Graham,

   Joel and Bill have answered your question and I concur that my Maramu has a drain hole at the bottom of the rudder as well.  I would only add that on my Maramu that after hauling the boat, I fill and drain the inside of the rudder with fresh water a couple of times to try and remove most of the salt.  I am careful to insure that the air vent in the top of the rudder is open so that the rudder does not develop internal pressure from filling the rudder with freshwater.   My thoughts are that it is always best to remove salt where possible before storing a boat and thanks to the unique Amel rudder design this is one more place that can be rinsed.   I am curious if other Amel owners do this?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Porter,

Here is last night's forecast from Chris Parker, the weather guru in this part of the world - check out his website and you can subscribe to his service (that's a free plug for Chris, to make up for inappropriately sharing his info). It does look like there is a motoring window overnight Saturday. And since you will just be a trawler-with-sticky-up-things it won't make much difference if you leave from Lake Worth vs. Ft La-dee-da. Since you're post was marked Ft Lauderdale, just leave from there and save the schlep north to Palm Beach, which will be a nasty ride into that NE wind, anyway.

Since you want to go all the way to the Berry's it seems you'll be at great risk of catching the Sunday afternoon Front while you're still underway. Unless you're on a forced march, you should definitely take Jeff's advice #3 and select the weevil on the right.

Cheers, Craig, SN#68

CROSSING:

Travel not recommended thru Fri17 due to NE winds. W-bound travel gradually improves Sat18 with sailing<motoring. Brief but primary motoring window for all travel may be late Sat18-Sun19 afternoon before cold FRONT arrives. 

N&S ROUTE: NE@15-20g26/7-9' thru overnight; NNE-NE@17-22g28<NE-ENE@14-18g23k/8-12'<7-9' Fri17; ENE@12-16g21<SE-S@4-8k/4-6'<1-2' Sat18; WNW-NW@7-13/2-3' Sun19 morning-afternoon, then N-NNE@17-23g30/9-12' as FRONT passes 
Sun19 evening-overnight; NE<E@17-23g30k/9-12'<6-8' Mon20... Stray showers/squalls +5k thru Fri17 and to 20-25k Sat18-Sun19 afternoon; Isolated squalls/t-strms to 30-40k Sun19 evening-Mon20


---In amelyachtowners@..., <jmkraus@...> wrote :

Good Morning Porter,
A couple things, (and I'm making some assumptions):
1. It looks like the wind has been blowing out of the northerd  rather freshly , or a little east of north. Considering the strong northerly push of the gulf stream, it's a recipe for a short steep wind swell, from the north.
If the wind on Saturday is on your nose, and you can't sail her, and have to rely on motoring, you will be in for a very uncomfortable run. 
2. In your boat, the question isn't whether you can do it, but how much of a beating you want to take. Personally, an uncomfortable stretch motoring isn't something I enjoy. 
3. If you have the time, (and what's a day in the life of a sailor?), wait for more favorable conditions (or the lesser of 2 weevils...any O'Brien fans out there?)
4. If your friend wants to go, tell him you'll catch up with him. 
Have fun!
Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:26 PM, portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...


Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

Craig & Katherine Briggs
 

Hi Francisco,

I definitely did not mean to imply that 4000 hrs is a good time for an overhaul. I think that if your engine is running well that is way too early - like by a factor of 2 or 3.  In my case it was only needed because water had gotten into the fuel and corroded internal parts of the pump. Actually I was rebuilding the engine because a lifting rod had bent and I figured I'd have the injection pump overhauled since I had everything apart anyway and was suspicious about the rpm surge - good thing I did.

So I'd strongly disagree that 4000 is any kind of an engine overhaul horizon. It really depends on how well you "hug" your engine along the way to maintain it and if some random early failure occurs. I see no reason not to expect 10,000 +++ hours. Greyhound buses go a few million miles on their diesels, with periodic rebuilds.

That being said, another criterion may be the years on your engine. My engine has averaged 300 hours a year and I've reached 7500 in 25 years (1992 boat). I wouldn't argue with someone who felt, say, 15 to 20 years is a good time to have a shop overhaul the injection pump (and injectors), even if they had done far fewer hours. There's always a little moisture in the fuel and the inside of the pump and gaskets are subject to corrosion and aging.

So keep hugging your engine and 'don worry, mon!

Cheers, Craig

---In amelyachtowners@..., <svperegrinus@...> wrote :

Hello Bill and Craig,

Yes, the question is about the fuel injection pump.  On the Yanmar, it is a ZEXEL NP - VE - 4 / 12 F 1900 R NP1995.

Craig, interesting that you had the pump rebuilt at 4,000 hrs... we are not there yet, and at our current average, will reach 4,000 hrs in about 2 years.  Just like you had the pump rebuilt at engine overhaul time, the Yanmar manual seems to implicate that the pump is to be overhauled at the same time as the engine itself...

... so along these lines... is 4,000 hrs perhaps the horizon for an engine overhaul on an Amel... ???

Yeah, kind of a philosophical question!

Best,

Peregrinus
SM2K N. 350 (2002)

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Mohammad Shirloo
 


Thank you all for the effort and continuing to provide valuable information for the group.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: JEFFREY KRAUS; Porter McRoberts; Courtney Gorman
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

Soraya,
​ et al​

It was a collaborative effort
​ and without you, it would have never been finished. Thank you so very much...you are GREAT. There is one more correction I see that is needed: "
hale bas de tangon
​" is the "
Pole aft line
​​."


Maybe we should tell every 54 owner that Amel accidentally left the 54 "pole up-guys" off of the official running rigging list. It might be because it appears to me that Amel rigged 3 different downwind pole configurations during the production of the 54.

Jeffery, Porter, & Courtney: You should download this
​Excel file
 from the Yahoo Amel Owners Group
​ (noting the change above)​
, or you can download it from Client Access at amelschool.com

​Best,​


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 17, 2017 03:51, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:01 AM, amelyachtowners@...m wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Running Rigging/Amel 54 Running Rigging.xlsx
Uploaded by : thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Mohammad Shirloo
 


Thank you Thomas. We've had the French one for a while but is very useful to have the English translated one. It is much appreciated.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 



From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Cc: JEFFREY KRAUS; Porter McRoberts; Courtney Gorman
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

 

Soraya,
​ et al​

It was a collaborative effort
​ and without you, it would have never been finished. Thank you so very much...you are GREAT. There is one more correction I see that is needed: "
hale bas de tangon
​" is the "
Pole aft line
​​."


Maybe we should tell every 54 owner that Amel accidentally left the 54 "pole up-guys" off of the official running rigging list. It might be because it appears to me that Amel rigged 3 different downwind pole configurations during the production of the 54.

Jeffery, Porter, & Courtney: You should download this
​Excel file
 from the Yahoo Amel Owners Group
​ (noting the change above)​
, or you can download it from Client Access at amelschool.com

​Best,​


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 17, 2017 03:51, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:01 AM, amelyachtowners@...m wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Running Rigging/Amel 54 Running Rigging.xlsx
Uploaded by : thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398

Regards,

thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Porter;
 
Our 54 handles waves on the bow well. However, she has to have enough momentum to punch through the waves and not hobby horse on the waves.
 
In order to have enough momentum, our approach is to fall off the wind enough so we are in a close haul, sheet in the main,genoa and Mizzen and motor sail. If necessary, we sometimes move the main and mizzen travelers to windward to allow us to better point into the wind. The slight heel and power from the sails on this point of sail in combination with the thrust of the engine provides sufficient momentum to punch through most seas. We adjust the engine RPMs and how far off the wind we motor sail by the motion of the bow. If we start feeling the bow is having too much of a vertical up/down motion we increase RPMs and/or fall off the wind for more power and heel. In general if you can get her to heel 5 degrees or more, she settles in and punches through. We have found that adding the staysail to this sail combination, given sufficient wind, allows us to better point upwind as well.
 
I do agree with others that waiting for a better weather window would be our first choice.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 10:27 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks Jeff.  Appreciated.  Sage advice.  This will be interesting sailing with a large catamaran.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

James Alton
 

Graham,

   Joel and Bill have answered your question and I concur that my Maramu has a drain hole at the bottom of the rudder as well.  I would only add that on my Maramu that after hauling the boat, I fill and drain the inside of the rudder with fresh water a couple of times to try and remove most of the salt.  I am careful to insure that the air vent in the top of the rudder is open so that the rudder does not develop internal pressure from filling the rudder with freshwater.   My thoughts are that it is always best to remove salt where possible before storing a boat and thanks to the unique Amel rudder design this is one more place that can be rinsed.   I am curious if other Amel owners do this?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

amelforme
 

Hello Graham. You have a problem if water does not come out of the rudder. Henri Amel was always thinking. Always. He noticed that, try as one may, rudders designed to keep water from penetrating into the core eventually failed to do so, resulting in the destruction of the rudder. So, he designed Amel rudders to invite the water inside and made them so that this was a good thing. The water adds weight/mass to the rudder to give it better “feel”. The hole in the bottom ( stick a Philips head screwdriver in the hole when you dive on the bottom to keep it open and flowing ) is there so water can migrate to prevent captive water from attacking the internal metal and welds as happens when it can’t flow in and out.

 

I love having unfamiliar surveyors/shipyards attend to an Amel I am selling in a new to me location. Yep, as soon as the boat comes out , the surveyor puffs up and declares the rudder junk while the shipyard guys rub their hands together in gleeful anticipation of a windfall repair. When I tell them this is normal, they treat me like a prevaricating used car salesman and say bad words about my lack of parents. All is well when I show them a drawing of the rudder with a short letter from Amel that I carry in my survey bag stating that the water draining out is normal…

 

It’s fun to see the reactions.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 7:06 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

 

 

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Yanmar 100HP Fuel Pump maintenance-free?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Francisco,

Philosophically speaking, 4,000 hours is closer to half-life than full-term on your engine, but as you know, anything can happen, especially philosophically.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

It is designed that way...don't let any "expert yard guy" plug it or tell you differently.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Soraya,
​ et al​

It was a collaborative effort
​ and without you, it would have never been finished. Thank you so very much...you are GREAT. There is one more correction I see that is needed: "
hale bas de tangon
​" is the "
Pole aft line
​​."


Maybe we should tell every 54 owner that Amel accidentally left the 54 "pole up-guys" off of the official running rigging list. It might be because it appears to me that Amel rigged 3 different downwind pole configurations during the production of the 54.

Jeffery, Porter, & Courtney: You should download this
​Excel file
 from the Yahoo Amel Owners Group
​ (noting the change above)​
, or you can download it from Client Access at amelschool.com

​Best,​


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 17, 2017 03:51, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152


On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:01 AM, amelyachtowners@...m wrote:

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the amelyachtowners
group.

File : /Running Rigging/Amel 54 Running Rigging.xlsx
Uploaded by : thomas_soraya <svgarulfo@...>
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You can access this file at the URL:



To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

JEFFREY KRAUS
 

Rudder drainage

Graham Cresswell <grahamjcresswell@...>
 

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our our
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Dish washer/washer dryer

Peter Rooms
 




Verzonden van Yahoo Mail voor iPhone

Op maandag, november 6, 2017, 14:40, derickgates@... [amelyachtowners] schreef:

 

I started just washing dishes by hand, but have found the dishwasher to be very convenient and quick and use it much more often now.  The clothes washer is used all the time, but I dry clothes by hanging them up, not using the dryer function. 


Derick Gates
SM2K#400 Brava
Currently on the hard in Bailey's boatyard, Antigua