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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Apologies, I'm Scott.

Thanks for the recommendation on the surveyor. The boat I'm looking at is in France, so I'll reach out to Olivier and mention that you sent me his way. :)

I'm visiting her without the broker/surveyor for the first look to determine whether to move forward with the survey. Your tips are helpful and it'd be great if you (and others) could note any Amel specific problem areas.

I understand the Volvo D3-110 can cause headaches if bad fuel is encountered. I also understand they revised the engine to take care of these problems, but unsure when those revisions were made?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello and welcome to the group;
 
Can you please let us know your name so we can address you properly.
 
There are many unique features to the Amels that make it imperative that you hire an Amel knowledgeable surveyor. I can only share our own personal experience with Olivier Beauté of Atlantic Yacht survey in La Rochelle France. Olivier is regarded as the most knowledgeable person with Amels having been involved with the company and later at his own company for decades. He spent a full 3 days with us not only surveying the entire vessel and all the areas that may indicate problems, we learned a significant amount about the boat in the process.
 
My recommendation would be to inspect the vessel you are considering and look for how the vessel is maintained in general. Look at the engine room and see how clean everything has been maintained. Look for areas of rust and corrosion. A well maintained vessel should look very close to new. Amels are extremely dry vessels and there should not be too many signs of corrosion. Look at all the interior wood finishes. Again they should look almost factory new. The wood finishes on these vessels are impeccable and with proper care should look excellent for years.
 
In our inspections, if we saw signs of neglect, we would walk away. Once satisfied with your inspection, hire your surveyor of choice. If we were to do it again, we would once again fly Olivier out to wherever the vessel happened to be.
 
Good luck with your search. We believe her to be the perfect vessel.
 
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:17 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

 

Hi everyone - 


New member here. I'm looking at an Amel 54 soon and while I'll have a surveyor look at the boat prior to purchase, I'll take a look at it on my own first. 


This group is one of the reasons, among many, that I'm considering an Amel. The collective knowledge and camaraderie here is truly amazing. 


What would you, as Amel owners, suggest that I look for when viewing the 54? What are common problem areas? 


Thanks!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway well drain

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Joel,
Do you have a photo of what the well drain looks like?  I had my well fill up a month or so ago and it did not drain on its own.  Some time later, I found a little black tube above the sump in the engine room that appears to be blocked... it's in about the right place to be the well drain, but I haven't investigated in detail or tried to clean it out.  I was led to believe from this list that was no drain on the SM, which stunned me because it's an obvious point of failure in the design... if it actually exists that would make a lot more sense!

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:44 AM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Everyone. I have not checked each and every one of the hundreds of Amel Super Maramus I have been aboard for a drain from the companionway well for the vertical door. However, I know this item was on the Amel new construction checklist and had to be signed off on by the person who installed it and his supervisor.

 

I have seen more than one case where the drain tube was installed and then covered over by the foam insulation that was installed in the engine room which then encouraged the drain to become clogged as it could not flow properly.

 

Strategically investigate the area where the drain should be and I am all but sure you will find a covered and plugged drain. All but sure…so let us know what you DON’T find, please.  

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

greatketch@...
 

Pat,

Batteries kept at 100% charge, or near so, by an accurate float charger do age, but very slowly.  Batteries kept this way should last a very long time.  Eight to ten years would not be at all unusual.  When I lived on a boat at the dock, with occasional day sails, battery lifespan was never an issue.  They only died when something when wrong. (Usually my fault!)

For a usage pattern that has a occasional maximum depth of discharge down to 85% followed by a quick recharge to 100% I can think of no reason for using anything other than simple flooded batteries.  They will handle that service perfectly, and have a very long--and very economical--life.  

The way batteries are used has everything to do with how long they last. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Danny , I have been able to keep my batteries in the 85 to 100% charge zone and when on the mooring 100% for long periods. Do batteries still degrade when generally kept in the 90 to 100% range. I too have wet cell , always have for the last 35 years , and see no reason I would switch out for a more expensive / complex system.
Happy Holidays,
Pat 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have seen Marcel's 54, GANESHA. 

Marcel Krauth is meticulous in his care of GANESHA. I rarely see such care. Also, let me point out that Marcel is the one who designed an arch for the 54 which was later distributed by Emek. It was because of the inspiration of Marcel's design that Emek designed the SM arch.

Also, Marcel designed and supervised the manufacturing of a hard top for the 54. The design is clean and very effective.

GANESHA is certainly a 54 to consider. If you are in the market for a 54, don't pass up the opportunity to own GANESHA.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Marcel Krauth marcel.krauth@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I have the Amel 54 nr 171 based in Greece and I will probably sell the boat in 2018 or 2019
that is one of the last 54 produced by Amel
SY Ganesha

On 12/12/2017 15:17, cpp_berkeley@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hi everyone - 


New member here. I'm looking at an Amel 54 soon and while I'll have a surveyor look at the boat prior to purchase, I'll take a look at it on my own first. 


This group is one of the reasons, among many, that I'm considering an Amel. The collective knowledge and camaraderie here is truly amazing. 


What would you, as Amel owners, suggest that I look for when viewing the 54? What are common problem areas? 


Thanks!





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

I have the Amel 54 nr 171 based in Greece and I will probably sell the boat in 2018 or 2019
that is one of the last 54 produced by Amel
SY Ganesha

On 12/12/2017 15:17, cpp_berkeley@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 

Hi everyone - 


New member here. I'm looking at an Amel 54 soon and while I'll have a surveyor look at the boat prior to purchase, I'll take a look at it on my own first. 


This group is one of the reasons, among many, that I'm considering an Amel. The collective knowledge and camaraderie here is truly amazing. 


What would you, as Amel owners, suggest that I look for when viewing the 54? What are common problem areas? 


Thanks!



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Marcel Krauth <marcel.krauth@...>
 

On 12/12/2017 14:56, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
All,

There are Dolphin chargers, and there are Dolphin chargers, some have variable charge parameters, some don't. 

Dolphin added adjustable charge parameters about 2003-2004 without changing model numbers. Danny's SM is older than the change date, but his Dolphin chargers are newer than the change date.

Be careful while comparing older and newer Dolphin chargers. In my experience, even Reya is confused about this.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Dec 11, 2017 19:05, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This sounds an awful lot like a standard equalization charge recommended by all flooded cell battery makers, and that most chargers can do. Does Dolphin do something special beyond that?


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Hi Bill,
Nice to find you on this blog, you remember the time we met at the Yacht Hotel in Fetihye
where are you based now
Marcel




Viewing Amel 54 - what to look for?

cpp_berkeley@...
 

Hi everyone - 


New member here. I'm looking at an Amel 54 soon and while I'll have a surveyor look at the boat prior to purchase, I'll take a look at it on my own first. 


This group is one of the reasons, among many, that I'm considering an Amel. The collective knowledge and camaraderie here is truly amazing. 


What would you, as Amel owners, suggest that I look for when viewing the 54? What are common problem areas? 


Thanks!


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

All,

There are Dolphin chargers, and there are Dolphin chargers, some have variable charge parameters, some don't. 

Dolphin added adjustable charge parameters about 2003-2004 without changing model numbers. Danny's SM is older than the change date, but his Dolphin chargers are newer than the change date.

Be careful while comparing older and newer Dolphin chargers. In my experience, even Reya is confused about this.


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Dec 11, 2017 19:05, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This sounds an awful lot like a standard equalization charge recommended by all flooded cell battery makers, and that most chargers can do. Does Dolphin do something special beyond that?


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway well drain

amelforme
 

Hello Everyone. I have not checked each and every one of the hundreds of Amel Super Maramus I have been aboard for a drain from the companionway well for the vertical door. However, I know this item was on the Amel new construction checklist and had to be signed off on by the person who installed it and his supervisor.

 

I have seen more than one case where the drain tube was installed and then covered over by the foam insulation that was installed in the engine room which then encouraged the drain to become clogged as it could not flow properly.

 

Strategically investigate the area where the drain should be and I am all but sure you will find a covered and plugged drain. All but sure…so let us know what you DON’T find, please.  

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny , I have been able to keep my batteries in the 85 to 100% charge zone and when on the mooring 100% for long periods. Do batteries still degrade when generally kept in the 90 to 100% range. I too have wet cell , always have for the last 35 years , and see no reason I would switch out for a more expensive / complex system.
Happy Holidays,
Pat 


-----Original Message-----
From: simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

 
Hi again Pat, after I get to the boat in the next few days I will post photos of the hand book and the graph of the desulphation program. Basically it is a controlled period of seriously high voltage over charging. A lot of gas given off. Caps off the batteries and the battery compartment lid closed and no naked flames any where near. Would be impossible in a boat without a closed and vented battery compartment.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl
Sent from my Vodafone Smart
On 12 Dec 2017 11:11, "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Danny, Do you use your solar panels to disulfide your batteries ? My solar reg. has that option.
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

 
Hi Mark,
Those batteries were 12 six volt golf cart type bought from West Marine in Newport Rhode Island. After 4 years I was on the point of replacing them when through the input of another cruiser I found my dolphin desulphation program. When sulphates build up on the plates the charge has to be "pushed" through this layer, the thicker it is the more resistance there is. What you will notice is that when charging they come up to "full " charge quickly, but then don't hold the charge. This is because the charge did not make it fully into the plates. There is nothing wrong with the plates, the charge just didn't get in there.
So how often did I desulphate? When I noticed this effect becoming prominent. 
I do believe the solar panels and the wind generator are a big part of getting a long life. I have talked to cruisers who have got 10 years plus from lead acid by using desulphation so perhaps rather than searching for the &# 34;right" battery the answer is to have chargers that provide an effective desulphation program, and apply it correctly. Maintenance. Keep them well watered all the time and keep terminals and connections clean and making good contact. 
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 12 December 2017 at 05:18 "mfmcgovern@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Danny,

8 years is an incredibly long time for any batteries to last, let alone relatively inexpensive flooded lead acid batteries.  What type and brand battery were they?  How often did you run the desulphation program?  Is it possible for you to share your entire "battery care regimen" with the forum either via a post or an uploaded f ile?  I would find it incredibly useful and I'm sure others would too.

Thanks,
Mark McGovern
SM#440 Cara
Deale, MD USA 
 

 


Re: Test

carcodespam@icloud.com <no_reply@...>
 




---In amelyachtowners@..., <cptbiffi@...> wrote :

Sorry to bother everybody but I'm not getting any mail since time.

Stefano
N'EVEREST Super Maramu 185
now in Magra river Italy

And what is your email address to send you a test mail?
cptbiffi@... is not sufficient.

Gerhard


Test

Stefano Biffi
 

Sorry to bother everybody but I'm not getting any mail since time.

Stefano
N'EVEREST Super Maramu 185
now in Magra river Italy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

I only know what the dolphin does, and I know the results.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 12 Dec 2017 14:05, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

This sounds an awful lot like a standard equalization charge recommended by all flooded cell battery makers, and that most chargers can do. Does Dolphin do something special beyond that?


Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Ok
As soon as I get to the boat.
Regards
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 12 Dec 2017 12:48, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Danny,


I would be interested in the desulphation program on the Dolphin charger as well.

Thanks,
Duane 
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Companionway Removal, another method.

greatketch@...
 

Here is a more detailed description of what I did to get the companionway completely disassembled for rather extensive rework and refinish of all the various parts...

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries

greatketch@...
 

This sounds an awful lot like a standard equalization charge recommended by all flooded cell battery makers, and that most chargers can do. Does Dolphin do something special beyond that?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Heat

eric freedman
 

Duane,

You can just run wires outside the control box and xip tie them in place. Cover the exposed terminals with silicone sealant to prevent electrical shock or heat shrink them.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2017 7:11 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Heat

 

 

I removed the control box for the aft cabin AC today to check the capacitors.

 

All three of the small cap's (2 of the 2 uF and one 4uF) were way out of spec.  The 10 and 40 uF were within spec.  After replacing all of the small ones and the 10 uF the heating element works fine.

 

I tried to replace the 40 uF cap but the new one was physically too large.  Note that I bought them all from Coastal Climate Control so that I wouldn't have an issue like this.  Both the 10 and 40 uF was larger in diameter than the old ones.  The diameter was the biggest problem since I could not get the case back on with the new 40 stacked on the new 10.

 

Fortunately the old 40 and the new 10 fit, but now I'm going to have to look for new 40's.  I've contacted Coastal Climate for a refund.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Companionway Removal, another method.

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Duane,
I'm surprised your SM does not have a drain at the bottom of the companion housing. Our SN has a drain 
on the bottom of the starboard side of the housing that goes through a hose into the bilge sump. Might be worth a double check on the SM.

Anyway, our weather stripping was deteriorated so I just removed it. That left only about a 2mm- 1/16th in - ish gap left, preventing any scratching of the plexiglass. Yes, that does let a little bit of water down the companionway housing (very little), but it drains out nicely. Mostly it's when I'm washing the cockpit and hosing down the companionway door -  never an issue when sailing with thunderstorms astern.

Cheers,  Craig and Katherine, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

Craig,

Peg and I like the idea of plexiglass for the light down below, we saw you post on this before.  I'm waiting for a time when I've got sufficient incentive and time to take care of this.

What have you done about the scratching that happens with the weather stripping?  I guess one could use some fine sandpaper and abrade the surface so it isn't entirely transparent and that would nullify the scratches caused by the weather stripping.

We need the weather stripping because there is no drain for the companionway housing and we have had water collect there when there is driving rain from the stern.

Duane


Re: Climma Heat

Duane Siegfri
 

I removed the control box for the aft cabin AC today to check the capacitors.

All three of the small cap's (2 of the 2 uF and one 4uF) were way out of spec.  The 10 and 40 uF were within spec.  After replacing all of the small ones and the 10 uF the heating element works fine.

I tried to replace the 40 uF cap but the new one was physically too large.  Note that I bought them all from Coastal Climate Control so that I wouldn't have an issue like this.  Both the 10 and 40 uF was larger in diameter than the old ones.  The diameter was the biggest problem since I could not get the case back on with the new 40 stacked on the new 10.

Fortunately the old 40 and the new 10 fit, but now I'm going to have to look for new 40's.  I've contacted Coastal Climate for a refund.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477