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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Drawer/cupboard pulls

karkauai
 

I finally got all my questions answered by the 3D printer in Annapolis. I sent pics and a sketch with dimensions, if we go ahead with this I will send him a pull from Kristy for him to copy exactly. There are only three affordable options. Here’s the bottom line:

1) ABS plastic in White, Black, or Silver (not shiny). This material isn’t mirror smooth. For an order of 100, design cost is $150 + $550=$700.00/100=$7.00 each
2). Chrome after light sanding-will give a shiny chrome surface, but not mirror smooth-add $1200 =$1900.00/100=$19.00 each

3) Dense tough resin which can be printed with mirror-smooth finish and chromed to look like original, $3600/100=$36.00 each

If anyone wants pics of the ABS material, contact me privately and I’ll send them to you.

I think any would be very functional and look fine. For $7 each, you could redo all in one cabin with the black or silver and save the rest as spares for the other cabins.

I think we will have to agree on which ones we want to order, I’ve asked if we could split the ABS order to include some silver and some gray, but don’t have an answer yet. I will ask if the design time is the same if only a few want the option 3, and get a quote per piece for the printing.

Anyone interested, please contact me at
karkauai “at” yahoo “dot” com

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Alan Leslie
 

Pat,

I replaced the boots on ours last year as there was salt encrustation around them and they had small cracks in the rubber surface. The heat exchanger itself appears fine, but I bought a spare and another set of rubber boots to keep on board just in case....they're not so expensive and it maybe worthwhile just changing it out anyway and then I would know that it was for sure OK for a few years.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stove won't stay lit

amelforme
 

Last time I saw then Mona Rae, it had an ENO stove. Looks like the same unit provided when I had the boat built for the previous owner. Fishery Supply used to have spare parts a year or so ago.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
Office 954-462-5869 

On Jul 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi John,

From some off-list conversations and additional digging on Nikimat's website, I now believe my stove is an Eno.  Would you be able to share a photo of your Electrolux for comparison?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:35 PM John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan, that looks like our oven which is an Electrolux.  If you replace it I might be interested  in the door.  Our glass was broken recently and I am trying to avoid buying a new one...  ;)

Regards, John

SV Annie SM 37
Le Marin

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 12:33 PM Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Ryan Meador included below]

Hi all,

The right (larger) burner on my stove has been getting more and more
difficult to keep lit, and the last few days it has been impossible.  I
think there is something wrong with the flame-out detection.  It lights
fine, but within a few seconds of me letting go of the knob it goes out, no
matter how long I hold it to pre-heat.  The left burner and the oven work
fine.  I can't find any identifying info on the stove that would allow me
to search for further info, like instructions on adjusting it or
replacement parts.  Can any of you identify it from the attached photos?
Do you have a recommendation on how to fix this problem?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Masse Light and March Pump

greatketch@...
 

I use two Marco UP2/E pumps in parallel to have an installed spare.  I have never seen us draw enough water to run both pumps together. They do run at a slightly lower set pressure than all the bigger Marco gear pumps.

They supply all the water we need.  A UP3/E would, in my opinion, be a fine pump for a Super Maramu.  A 12 gallon per minute pump seems like almost ridiculous overkill to me...even with a 20% discount off list price. But then, I don’t power wash my decks from my tanks...

And, none of them are mag drive pumps. All direct drive with lip seal on the shaft.  

I have no doubt that a UP12/E works, but how much water do you really use in a minute? Is it worth paying that much for a pump who's capacity is WAY more than you’ll ever use?  That’s more water than the bilge pump can pump out of the sump! 

I do come from the perspective of generally being very frugal with water from the tank, so other people might have a different outlook.  

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie 
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Patrick McAneny
 

I guess the oil cooler has been for me , out of sight and out of mind, until it has recently come up. Should the cooler be an item routinely replaced every so many years. Mine is probably original and it occurs that by the time I would realize it failed ,it would be too late to avoid damage. Should I put this on my list?
Thanks,
Pat
SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

 
Hi Dean, whatever you do don't be tempted to do an overhaul instead of replacement. I got a "factory reconditioned" box from Italy. It lasted 7 hours.Then that was overhauled, lasted 12 hours. New box 5 years ago, still going. As I said, I went on line and found it in Seattle.
Kind Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 25 July 2018 at 21:46 "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny,
Yes we've changed fluid quite a few times now!  Worth a try as you say.
The Admiral and I love your motto about Ordeal vs Adventure, I plan to use that somewhere on Stella.

Initial delivery quotes were months away, but with great help from forum members I'm starting to get a little traction now on shorter timelines. Maybe our season is not over just yet!

I will of course post about the outcome.

Are you still in NZ. We often visit when we are home in Sydney, I have family near Wellington and Taupo.

Cheers
Dean
   
 

 

 


[Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

Patrick McAneny
 




-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Mcaneny
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

Should the replacement of the oil cooler on an older boat, be viewed as a necessary preventative item. Do they fail often ? It seems that if they do ,failure could occur without warning ,until after damage was done. I probably have the original cooler , should I put this on the list ?
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

 
Transmission Oil Cooler - Bowman DC60-XCC/#3367 end caps

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:33 PM 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
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Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

 
One reason for the transmission heating up "could be" that your transmission oil cooler is compromised.  You said the dipstick was melted and since there was no leakage of fluid, you assumed that it was still full of transmission fluid.

I had a similiar problem with my Amel SM.  The cooler developed a hole in the cooler tubes that permitted the seawater and the transmission fluid to mix.  Eventually the hole in the cooler tubes was big enough, that the suction from the engine seawater pump sucked the fluid out of the transmission.  Prior to the complete failure of the transmission, the seawater mixed with the transmission fluid and rusted the inner workings of the transmission.  So, in my case, the transmission had to be replaced.

Have you ever noticed that the engine exhaust/water leaves an oil sheen on the water?

Pull some of the fluid out of the transmission and see if it looks right, or is milky or watery.

Here's the thing, if you have to replace the transmission, be sure to replace the transmission cooler.  I'm not sure of a reasonable interval to replace them, but for $200 or so, it's good insurance.  Mine failed at about 2,000 engine hours.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Dean, whatever you do don't be tempted to do an overhaul instead of replacement. I got a "factory reconditioned" box from Italy. It lasted 7 hours.Then that was overhauled, lasted 12 hours. New box 5 years ago, still going. As I said, I went on line and found it in Seattle.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 July 2018 at 21:46 "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Danny,

Yes we've changed fluid quite a few times now!  Worth a try as you say.
The Admiral and I love your motto about Ordeal vs Adventure, I plan to use that somewhere on Stella.

Initial delivery quotes were months away, but with great help from forum members I'm starting to get a little traction now on shorter timelines. Maybe our season is not over just yet!

I will of course post about the outcome.

Are you still in NZ. We often visit when we are home in Sydney, I have family near Wellington and Taupo.

Cheers
Dean
   

 


 


 


Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Ruedi,
The Bowman DC60-XCC cooler with 3367 endcaps is available ex-stock at www.lancingmarine.com. Price is 65GBP, I bought one today! Ask for Mark, he’s very helpful.
Cheers
Dean


Sent from my iPhone X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

Patrick McAneny
 

Should the replacement of the oil cooler on an older boat, be viewed as a necessary preventative item. Do they fail often ? It seems that if they do ,failure could occur without warning ,until after damage was done. I probably have the original cooler , should I put this on the list ?
Thanks,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Jul 25, 2018 3:56 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

 
Transmission Oil Cooler - Bowman DC60-XCC/#3367 end caps

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:33 PM 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 24-lug-2018 13.41
A: <amelyachtowners@...>
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

 
One reason for the transmission heating up "could be" that your transmission oil cooler is compromised.  You said the dipstick was melted and since there was no leakage of fluid, you assumed that it was still full of transmission fluid.

I had a similiar problem with my Amel SM.  The cooler developed a hole in the cooler tubes that permitted the seawater and the transmission fluid to mix.  Eventually the hole in the cooler tubes was big enough, that the suction from the engine seawater pump sucked the fluid out of the transmission.  Prior to the complete failure of the transmission, the seawater mixed with the transmission fluid and rusted the inner workings of the transmission.  So, in my case, the transmission had to be replaced.

Have you ever noticed that the engine exhaust/water leaves an oil sheen on the water?

Pull some of the fluid out of the transmission and see if it looks right, or is milky or watery.

Here's the thing, if you have to replace the transmission, be sure to replace the transmission cooler.  I'm not sure of a reasonable interval to replace them, but for $200 or so, it's good insurance.  Mine failed at about 2,000 engine hours.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bob,

Yes attitude changes everything. Glad you got some encouragement from my fun with the vetus bushes in Tonga. I have never noticed a release of pressure when I remove the dip stick. I always drain the oil through the bottom plug as I like to get all the old oil out. I would expect ZF offer the suck out the top option as some installations would make it difficult or impossible to access the drain plug.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl.

 

On 25 July 2018 at 19:53 "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny,
On my ZF25 I usually check the fluid level before each departure.  Each time I do this (over the last 5 years) there is just a bit of air pressure which is released when I rotate the dip stick and break the seal of its o ring.  This slight pressure is surprising to me as i know there is a vent on top of the ZF 25 case which rattles freely.  Do other owners experience this?

Also, my manual instructs me to change the oil by suctioning it out of the filter hole.  I do know that there is a large drain nut on the bottom of the unit and wonder if other owners use that to drain fluid?

Danny, great advice on "attitude, the difference between ordeal and adventure" (although a bit difficult to accept when one is in the middle of an urgent "project").  I think about your adventure carving down truck suspension bushings in Tonga? Fiji? to replace your Vetus coupling rubber inserts--it helped me through the ordeal of replaing mine at the dock in Preveza (the parts were available to me however)!
Bob, SM 429 Elba

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] trasmission oil cooler

 

Transmission Oil Cooler - Bowman DC60-XCC/#3367 end caps

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 12:33 PM 'gtesta23@...' gtesta23@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 



Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
Hi to all.
it is my intention to have as spare a new trasmission oil cooler.
Because I m not on board, may I know please the Bowman code ?
Many thanks in advance
Buon Vento
Giovanni Testa
sv EUTIKIA SM 428
----Messaggio originale----
Da: amelyachtowners@...
Data: 24-lug-2018 13.41
A: <amelyachtowners@...>
Ogg: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

 

One reason for the transmission heating up "could be" that your transmission oil cooler is compromised.  You said the dipstick was melted and since there was no leakage of fluid, you assumed that it was still full of transmission fluid.


I had a similiar problem with my Amel SM.  The cooler developed a hole in the cooler tubes that permitted the seawater and the transmission fluid to mix.  Eventually the hole in the cooler tubes was big enough, that the suction from the engine seawater pump sucked the fluid out of the transmission.  Prior to the complete failure of the transmission, the seawater mixed with the transmission fluid and rusted the inner workings of the transmission.  So, in my case, the transmission had to be replaced.

Have you ever noticed that the engine exhaust/water leaves an oil sheen on the water?

Pull some of the fluid out of the transmission and see if it looks right, or is milky or watery.

Here's the thing, if you have to replace the transmission, be sure to replace the transmission cooler.  I'm not sure of a reasonable interval to replace them, but for $200 or so, it's good insurance.  Mine failed at about 2,000 engine hours.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Masse Light and March Pump

 

Duane,

I am almost 100% sure you used the wrong pump and I am 100% sure the UP-3 is not magnetic, unless this is something that Marco made in the last 60 days.

I recommend to Amel School Clients, either of the following MARCO pumps for freshwater:
BEST:UP14/E Electronic water pressure pump 12.2 gpm Part N 16469015
GOOD: UP12/A Water pressure system PTFE gears 9.5 gpm. Plus ATX2 Stainless steel accumulator. Part N 16468013 & 16508110
OK: UP6/A Water pressure system 6.9 gpm. Part N 16462013 & 16508110

BTW, Amel School Clients get a 20% discount when ordering in the EU from MARCO, or in the US from MARCO's partner MATE-USA. If you are interested in becoming a client and owned your Amel at least 1 year CLICK HERE for information.

I hope that this helps you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be taken when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any referred to mechanical and/or electrical device or system.


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:07 AM sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I replaced the freshwater pump with a Marco UP3 electronic gear pump.  It has a magnetic drive.  The old pump had a bonding wire, so I attached it to the base of the new pump.  I did not hook up the "active" red light on the 24V power panel however, since we can hear this pump operate.


Now I'm getting a warning light on the "leak detector" for the bonding system for the "Ground +".  When I shut off power to the water pump, the warning light no longer illuminates.    


Since this unit uses a magnetic drive, is that causing some voltage in the bonding wire?  Should I simply disconnect the bonding wire from the pump? 


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


R: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: trasmission oil cooler

Giovanni TESTA
 

Many thanks, Alan !
Buon Vento
Gianni
sv EUTIKIA
SM 428
https://www.youtube.com/user/eutikia1

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bowman dc60-xcc

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: ZF25 Transmission Dipstick / Fluid Level

cpp_berkeley <no_reply@...>
 

Dean,

Hull #69, 2007 A54 has the correct dipstick. I distinctly recall adding 2L per the manual and noticing that it was low, so I added more. No tranny troubles, but I do have that rattle in the throttle you mention.

Do you know if it's possible to replace the filter cover with the updated design? Or does the updated design more about changes to the transmission casing where the filter cover sits?

-Scott


Re: Stove won't stay lit

Jose Venegas
 

Ryan,
 I had the same issue with the oven and I bought the part (it is a mercury filled and not a thermocouple) which I replaced and it worked fine... for a while.  Unfortunately, I waited too long between buying the part and installing it, and I am afraid it became damaged or I damaged it during installation because it stopped working after a few uses.  I bought the part in Martinique at a local chandlery and I don't remember its name.
If you find a supplier, I would be happy to chip in to buy one part like yours and one extra for the oven.  The replacement for the oven was complicated as it required almost full disassembly but for the burners, I think it can be easily done in place.  Feel free to come by Ipanema next Thurs evening or, if we have gone to Gloucester, on Sunday evening.  Even better, it would be great if you join us in Gloucester.  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi everyone

I’d like to carry transmission cooler replacement as a spare. 
I think the rubber parts, etc. are a potential source of leaking over time and not easy to repair.  Does anyone know where I can buy a set of the right spare parts for the transmission oil cooler?
I understood it’s a Bowman product, but can’t find any reference to order. 

Thanks for any advice.
Ruedi  
WASABI, A-54. #55
 
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Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: ZF25 Transmission Failure

 

Hi Duane,

Thanks for that info.  I am planning to address the cooler replacement, at least to carry a spare.

I cannot yet say for certain that the cooler is operating at maximum efficiency, however I am sure we don't have a leak of fluid or any seawater ingress. When we reached shore after the event, I drained 2.05 litres of fluid from the transmission. It looked perfect. I have now changed the fluid about 4 times, and have not noticead any signs of seawater.
   
I'm fairly confident the biggest source of heat in the event was the brake disk (which is now beautifully polished !) which transferred to the transmission, metal to metal. Immediately after the event, the Volvo temp sensor was showing 80deg which is fairly normal for running at 2000.

Cheers
Dean



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Stove won't stay lit

Ryan Meador
 

Hi John,

From some off-list conversations and additional digging on Nikimat's website, I now believe my stove is an Eno.  Would you be able to share a photo of your Electrolux for comparison?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 6:35 PM John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Ryan, that looks like our oven which is an Electrolux.  If you replace it I might be interested  in the door.  Our glass was broken recently and I am trying to avoid buying a new one..  ;)

Regards, John

SV Annie SM 37
Le Marin

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018, 12:33 PM Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Ryan Meador included below]

Hi all,

The right (larger) burner on my stove has been getting more and more
difficult to keep lit, and the last few days it has been impossible.  I
think there is something wrong with the flame-out detection.  It lights
fine, but within a few seconds of me letting go of the knob it goes out, no
matter how long I hold it to pre-heat.  The left burner and the oven work
fine.  I can't find any identifying info on the stove that would allow me
to search for further info, like instructions on adjusting it or
replacement parts.  Can any of you identify it from the attached photos?
Do you have a recommendation on how to fix this problem?

Thanks,
Ryan and Kelly
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF25 Transmission Dipstick / Fluid Level

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dean 

This is sad to hear what happened to your transmission. Sorry for all your troubles but thank you for your critical information.

On WASABI we have dipstick part number 3311 301 003, which should be the correct dipstick according your information. A54 #55 /2007, never replaced the stick to my knowledge.

Initially there was no oil pressure, as far as I understood, thats why the shaft break was activated. 
Im not an engine specialist but my question is: why was the oil pressure down? Maybe because the oil got too hot?
But why was the oil cooking? Even if the transmission is mad, the cooling should normally still be there, to my little knowledge.

Best regards
Ruedi & Sabina
WASABI A54 #55
P.S.
We are currently in Otranto, Apulia and we will go back to Korfu mid August. Greetings to Jan.

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Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF25 Transmission Dipstick / Fluid Level

 

IMPORTANT NOTICE


To all Amel Owners,


I have recently had a failure event with my ZF25 gearbox. You can read about it further in Topic #41215 on this forum.  In that failure event, the dipstick for my ZF25 was damaged, and so I needed some means of checking fluid level until a new dipstick was delivered.


I then embarked on a very confusing 2 week journey of trying to determine independently where the correct fluid level should be in a ZF25 gearbox without reference to a dipstick. The results of this are very significant for Amel owners with ZF25 gearboxes.


Please note the following:


1. ZF Marine have informed me that ALL user manuals, parts lists, service manuals, brochures, marketing specs, website data etc for the ZF25 gearbox which state that the fluid capacity of the gearbox is 2.0Litres, are all incorrect.  


2. The correct fluid level for the ZF25 gearbox is 3.0L, but this figure only appears in the original installation drawing of the ZF25 (in Italian), which ZF sent to me and I will post on the forum files archive.  


3. Some owners will already suspect that it is really a 3L box because they will add 2.0L as specified in the manual, and then wonder why they needed to add another full litre to bring it up to the top of their dipstick. These owners have a "short" dipstick and can rest easy.


4. However, some owners will add 2.0l and find that its already close to the full mark on their dipstick.  If you are one of those owners then this message is addressed to you.


5. I know that some Amel 54 models have been supplied with an incorrect dipstick.  This dipstick is too long and reads "full" when 2 litres of fluid is present in the gearbox. These boats have been operating one litre short of fluid, which equates to a fluid level which is about 20mm too low.


7. I do not know who made the change of dipstick in the production process of these boats, but I can guess why they made the change, that is to try and match the disptick to the 2litre capacity widely published by ZF.


I urge all owners to check your dipstick against the following information:


If you have a dipstick with part numbers


3312-301-028 or 3312-201-002 


then you have the wrong dipstick and your ZF25 is at risk of damage due to low fluid level.


If you have a dipstick with part numbers 


3311-301-003 or 3311-201-001


then you have the correct dipstick and you will have the correct 3.0l of fluid in your gearbox.


If you have already experienced the failure and have replaced your gearbox with a new one from ZF, then you will most likely have the correct dipstick. 


Finally, as an absolute measure, the correct fluid level is between 84.5mm and 96.5mm from the mating face of the dipstick hole. 


I do not know if this problem ever affected SM production, but I do know that the documentation error from ZF was present in 2002. 


I am collating a private list of hull numbers which have been affected by this issue, and I would really appreciate if owners would email me privately on the email below

or simply post here on the forum.


I'd like to know your hull number and :

1. whether you have the long (incorrect) dipstick and if you've had transmission troubles,

2. If you have the short (correct) dipstick, have you renewed your transmission (or dipstick) since the the boat was delivered new.



Thank you

Dr Dean Gillies

SY STELLA

AMEL 54 #154

+61 411 967106

trifin (at) soundthinking (dot) com (dot) au



Re: Finally a real forum member

SV Perigee
 

Well done Arno, and we hope you revel in your steep earning curve to come.

David & Leanne
Perigee, SM#396,
On anchor, Le Marin


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] ZF25 Transmission Dipstick / Fluid Level

Alan Leslie
 

We have the "short dipstick" and we always have put in 3 litres...and it is correct, according to the dipstick.
We have no problems with the ZF gearbox.
I have in years gone by owned some classic Italian cars with ZF gearboxes, and always found the company very helpful with advice and recommendations.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437

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