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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

michael winand
 

Yes 10mm chain  . All shackles  are rated swl, 6 tonne  at anchor  it is a close fit at the bow roller so I bring it up gently. I normally am at the bow when anchoring.  2.5 tonne swl at the end of the 10mm chain to the 16mm chain. 
The larger chain is easy to thread my 12mm line through to tie off the anchor when underway. 
If you have to buy a new anchor chain most chain manufacturers will put a larger link at each end. Where I am it is called fathom chain. 60 fathom  is near 117m. 
A swivel between the two chain 16mm and the 10mm would also be able to be used as the swivel is normally larger on one end to allow for the anchor. 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 at 19:31, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Thanks Michael...


So you have 10mm chain - shackle - 16mm x 1m chain - shackle - anchor?

What shackles do you use ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Michael...

So you have 10mm chain - shackle - 16mm x 1m chain - shackle - anchor?

What shackles do you use ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi dean. Cruising = fixing boats in exotic locations is my second favourite quote. You'll know the other one. Wouldn't worry about losing your puff of smoke. A diesel engine (as many on this forum say) needs to work. 1500 rpm is thoroughly unkind to it. The drip of oil. Engine oil? Are you sure it's coming from the bell housing. Some stray oil can come from the turbo and finish up in unusual locations. With a young engine like yours a main bearing crankshaft seal is unlikely to have failed.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 20 August 2018 at 19:55 "Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Danny, Thanks for that info.

The situation has also become a little curiouser. I did that test, and produced the big puff of smoke once and once only, now I cannot repeat the result!

I’ve tried again with engine hot and cold, but no big puff of smoke!

Maybe I had some kind of build up in there which got blown out? Quite strange.

Since this thread popped up I have been deliberately running the motor much harder than previously, typically motoring at 2150rpm (rather than 1500-1800) Since doing this I’ve had a couple of interesting issues raise their heads.

  1. Slight leakage from lid of C-Drive reservoir. I think I understand that issue fully.

  2. Some leakage of oil from the motor, which I’ve traced to the bellhousing breather at the bottom of the housing. A teaspoon per hour maybe. Right now I’m transiting at 1650rpm to see if it’s still the same.

The only sources of that leak that I can think of are the sump flange or the main shaft seal. (Wish I’d known about this before the new box went in!)

I’m becoming very familiar with fixing boats in exotic places :-)

Cheers Dean SY Stella Amel 54#154

X

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

michael winand
 

Hi Alan.  One meter of  chain. At present I have not yet added a swivel. Not needed one 


On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 at 17:00, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Thanks Michael,


How much 16mm chain do you use and do you have a swivel between that and your main anchor chain?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Danny,
Thanks for that info.

The situation has also become a little curiouser.
I did that test, and produced the big puff of smoke once and once only, now I cannot repeat the result!

I’ve tried again with engine hot and cold, but no big puff of smoke!

Maybe I had some kind of build up in there which got blown out? Quite strange.

Since this thread popped up I have been deliberately running the motor much harder than previously, typically motoring at 2150rpm (rather than 1500-1800)
Since doing this I’ve had a couple of interesting issues raise their heads.

1. Slight leakage from lid of C-Drive reservoir. I think I understand that issue fully.

2. Some leakage of oil from the motor, which I’ve traced to the bellhousing breather at the bottom of the housing. A teaspoon per hour maybe. Right now I’m transiting at 1650rpm to see if it’s still the same.
The only sources of that leak that I can think of are the sump flange or the main shaft seal. (Wish I’d known about this before the new box went in!)

I’m becoming very familiar with fixing boats in exotic places :-)

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


Sent from my iPhone X


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

Alan Leslie
 

Thanks Michael,

How much 16mm chain do you use and do you have a swivel between that and your main anchor chain?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Porter,

sorry for the late reply. Those changing out for a Kubota or similar seem to have good reasons. I would seriously consider that. Weight and HP and mounting and matching to the drive train would be issues I would examine. And of course isolated ground. As to Panama. When we went through we did not explore the area. Yvonne has never forgiven me. There are some amazing land trips available. Don't miss the chance to make the most of it. There is a lot to do around there. Also don't forget my motto fixed on the bulkhead at the helm. "Attitude, the difference between ordeal and adventure" To give credit I got it from Bob Bitchen, erstwhile editor of the defunct magazine Latitudes and attitudes.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 02:38 "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you Danny . Good to know. 


Teun was very helpful. He’s down on this model of D3 and got a new/different one. Smart man. The warranty for us only covers a new long block. Which seems realistic. I also have tones of spares for this engine. Etc. Getting CDM to understand an electrically isolated engine Pyle prove incredibly difficult. 
Surprisingly Panama might as well be Somalia in terms of good reliable Volvo work. Rest of the country splendid. 

Some have expressed suspicion that the long block was never actually changed. It’s mine too. Today I’m going to do some forensics. 

We work so hard to make sure everything is perfect. It’s frustrating to have rely on a system that seems so error prone, and over which we have so little control. 

One of the things I really need to learn is how to get the fault codes out of the helm display. 

Had I that, at the beginning, we’d be so much further along in this process. We’re 2.5 months here in Panama with the engine. 

But as my Guru says, “slow down enjoy the trip”. Bill R and Marcus Aurelius to the rescue. 

I’d love a mechanical engine. 

Thanks for all the comments from everyone 

Porter
A54-152. Ibis. 
Vista Mar Marina, Panama

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 15, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Porter,

Like everyone I feel for you. Some thoughts. Unless something like salt water ingress  happens and oil and filters are changed regularly diesel engines, mechanically are good for very high hours, 4000 ordinary, 8000, not unusual. You had all the mechanical parts renewed with the long block. I guess not all the wiring looms (which are considerable) nor the operational computer systems. That's where I would be looking. Teun Bass in Noumea has a similar story to tell and he may have something to offer.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 16 August 2018 at 01:50 "Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Porter, I think your maintenance regime for the engine looks just fine. It must be very frustrating to have this problem happening again.

I’m not clear on exactly what is the cause of the problem, but then I’m no diesel mechanic! Has that been clearly laid out by Volvo to your satisfaction?

That tell-tale puff of smoke is interesting, which I guess tells of oil ending up where it shouldn’t be and then burning off. I wonder if you can share a few more details about the exact circumstances around when it puffs… does it happen once, only under load, in neutral, idling and then gunning quickly etc. That would allow others to test and report comparisons.

I have the same D3–110i-C model and the Amel specified autoprop. My WOT is 2950-3000rpm.

I hope for a satisfactory resolution for you, it inspires no confidence in your planned travels when things like this happen.

Cheers Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154

X

 

 


 


 

 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

michael winand
 

We use the area between the windlass and the anchor shackle to use 16mm chain. The heavy piece of chain improves the weight down at the shank and won't side load the swivel. 
You can also use a larger shackle on the anchor. 

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 at 11:56, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
 

The real issue with swivels is not the breaking strength in a straight line.  Many brands can claim a breaking strength as high or higher than the chain then connect to. 


The real of concern is their susceptibility to side loading and other mis-aligned loads.

If the anchor is fixed in position either because of rocks or a deep and secure set, the problem with most swivels mounted on the anchor itself is that they can not well orient to a pull from the side as the result of a wind shift.  

The Wasi is a certainly a bit better at this than some, but once the pull is more than 30 degrees from axis of the anchor shank, you have the full load of the rode as a bending force on the small stem of the ball. It bends and, potentially, breaks.  Exactly as Mark and Porter observed.

The solution is either a better designed swivel, or to put a few links of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank so side loading can never happen.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA





---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

I have also used the Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years along with the WASI anchor and chain.  According to tests reported by WASI, the swivel is significantly stronger than the strongest chain.  Anyone not familiar with it would probably enjoy looking it up.

 

Regards to all,

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug , sm 216, offshore in Gulf of Maine, heading south to Cape Cod


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts
 

Eric well said especially the last line: fair winds are so very important with the D3.
Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Panama City, Panama












On Aug 17, 2018, at 6:08 PM, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Years ago, I went to Amel to visit and sail the prototype 54 on the far side of the marina in La Rochelle while they were still delivering the 53's
When I discussed discussed the engine, i was not happy with the Volvo "electronic" engine.
They said being that the boat was for export and the USA pollution regulations were not yet in place they could do it for a fee.
Unfortunately I thought I had health issues and did not order hull number 12.
It seems like the has a lot of problems.
I recall when I asked if i bought a spare electronics module and the Volvo engine still did not work what could i do?
They said just hook up the engine to the internet--that was the Volvo deal breaker for me.
Fair Winds,
eric
Sm 376 Kimbelite


On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Thanks Alan 

Great points. The elbow is very clean. But I have not looked beyond it. I will when we remove the engine. 
Thank you!  
Porter. 
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 16, 2018, at 2:11 AM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Black smoke is caused by unburnt carbon....oil burning is blue smoke.

Unburnt carbon usually indicates there is a blockage somewhere
Airfilter..you checked that
Injectors..you've done that.
Another thing could be too high back pressure in the exhaust.
Has the exhaust system been taken apart and checked to be sure it is relatively clean and free flowing?
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
Maskelyne Islands, Vanuatu




Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

greatketch@...
 

The real issue with swivels is not the breaking strength in a straight line.  Many brands can claim a breaking strength as high or higher than the chain then connect to. 

The real of concern is their susceptibility to side loading and other mis-aligned loads.

If the anchor is fixed in position either because of rocks or a deep and secure set, the problem with most swivels mounted on the anchor itself is that they can not well orient to a pull from the side as the result of a wind shift.  

The Wasi is a certainly a bit better at this than some, but once the pull is more than 30 degrees from axis of the anchor shank, you have the full load of the rode as a bending force on the small stem of the ball. It bends and, potentially, breaks.  Exactly as Mark and Porter observed.

The solution is either a better designed swivel, or to put a few links of chain between the swivel and the anchor shank so side loading can never happen.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA





---In amelyachtowners@..., <milesbid@...> wrote :

I have also used the Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years along with the WASI anchor and chain.  According to tests reported by WASI, the swivel is significantly stronger than the strongest chain.  Anyone not familiar with it would probably enjoy looking it up.

 

Regards to all,

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug , sm 216, offshore in Gulf of Maine, heading south to Cape Cod


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

 

A puff of smoke on acceleration of a D3 is probably not an indication of something going wrong.

Black smoke on acceleration almost always indicates unburnt fuel. One of the  reasons for computer controlled diesel engines was to eliminate this source of pollution. When rapidly accelerating  a conventional diesel engine, it will allow more fuel in the chamber than it can burn causing black smoke. The Volvo D3 systems are supposed to limit most of this, but an initial puff is likely very normal. I know that the 100hp Yanmar Turbo without a computer will allow lots of unburnt fuel on rapid acceleration and when the AutoProp is fouled.

I also know if I floor my 1985 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, I can smoke you if you are behind me. Sometimes this can add joy to my day😀.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:42 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi dean. Ive operated diesels all my life. Most not vommon rail l acknowledge. However believe I can offer something here. Overloaded diesels smoke. The throttle opening delivers more fuel than can burn at the present revolutions. The modern computer controlled systems eliminate this mostly. However, if you slam the throttle down with the prop shaft stationary there is a moment of super overload intil it gets moving,hence your  puff of smoke.

I don't think you have an issue here.

Regards

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 21:50 "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,
I’ve done your smoke test.
Yes, under the rapid throttle action, a puff of black smoke comes from our Volvo exhaust exactly as you describe. Not confidence inspiring! Hmmm.

I look forward to seeing other owners results of this quick test.

Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


 


 


Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

Miles
 

I have also used the Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years along with the WASI anchor and chain.  According to tests reported by WASI, the swivel is significantly stronger than the strongest chain.  Anyone not familiar with it would probably enjoy looking it up.

 

Regards to all,

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug , sm 216, offshore in Gulf of Maine, heading south to Cape Cod


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor swivel [2 Attachments]

 

Mark,

Maybe your photo proves the opposite. What kind of load did it take to deform? Think about it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:08 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

I believe the WASI anchor swivel may be the weak point in the current anchor system.  It may have been state of the art 10 years ago - things change.  I found the WASI swivel deformed, see photos, as Porter described.  Ours was attached to a 33kg Rockna.  It was replaced with a Mantus swivel due to the chain attachment method and its general construction, it appears to a brute.  Additionally, the customer support from the US distributor for WASI was horrible, multiple phone calls with no return calls, etc. - you may know the drill.

Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54 - 68
Beaufort, NC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

 

Nick,

The two mix fine, and there is a reason for the mix. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:07 PM Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Improvement or not


Here is one that I have changed perspective on.

When I first bought Amelia I saw stainless WASI anchor and
Galvanised chain and went into shock.. Do not mix the two.....

Well recently I have been anchoring in some less than perfect ground, not from choice but necessity.. That sharp point on the WASI does a great job at hooking on and being stainless does not lose her galvanising in the process. 

My point:

My second (Delta) anchor is rusty and needs hot dipping. Lightly used to boot.

Yes one should not mix stainless and galvanised but all stainless chain is very expensive and maybe brittle (big maybe) and it is no big deal to sacrifice a link or two of the galvanised chain each year. So Amel, despite going against the standard doctrine supply a very sensible and pragmatic solution..

There are lots of examples of good Amel and only a very few less than good.

So well done Amel.

Nick ( Amelia)


On 19 Aug 2018, at 18:16, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,
wrote :

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



Skickat från min iPhone





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, When I we got your email the other day I assumed you must not have been flying from NZ. just to come to the Rendezvous , it now makes sense. I suggested BWI , if that didn't work, Dulles or Philadelphia would also work . Philly would be just under 21/2 hrs from St Michaels . Glad you left the cat out of the bag ,and we all hope you guys can make it , we'll leave a light on for you.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
Hmmmm. We are in alaska and Canada west in September. By big Bird. Will look a a diversion for the biggest Amel party yet. Its a long shot so don't hold your breath.
Danny
On 18 August 2018 at 23:45 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Danny, Should be, I wish you and Yvonne could join us.
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
 
Wow. What a gathering.
Danny
SM299
Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific
On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 " sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 

Below is a li st of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at ( sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to at tend, that should make for a hell of a party! 



Pat & Diane McAneny
SM Shenanigans

 

 
                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
 Boat< span style="font-weight: bold;">Whonumber of people
 Will fly in Joel Potter1
1ShenanigansPat & Diane McAneny2
2KristyKent Robertson and Iris2
3Life is GoodVladimir and Marina2
4AletesMike & Lauren Ondra
2
 AletesTom Peacock1
5It's GoodMark and Jennifer Garver2
6CaraMark and Denise McGovern2
7GaleneGreg and Lora Wirth2
8WandererDuane and Peg Siegfried2
9HarmonieBill Kinney and Karen Smith2
10SangarisCraig and Katherine 2
 looking for a boatAlan and Laura Grayson2
11BrevisSherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers2
12TouRaiSteve Morrison1
13FiascoAras1
14Have Fun!David Lambertsen1
15Brass RingMark and Debbie Mueller2
16JoyChuck and Kim Lacey2
17RascalRick and Linda Grimes2  
 Future SM2K ownerBrent Cameron1

 
 

 

 60;
 
 
 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

ngtnewington Newington
 

Improvement or not

Here is one that I have changed perspective on.

When I first bought Amelia I saw stainless WASI anchor and
Galvanised chain and went into shock. Do not mix the two.....

Well recently I have been anchoring in some less than perfect ground, not from choice but necessity. That sharp point on the WASI does a great job at hooking on and being stainless does not lose her galvanising in the process. 

My point:

My second (Delta) anchor is rusty and needs hot dipping. Lightly used to boot.

Yes one should not mix stainless and galvanised but all stainless chain is very expensive and maybe brittle (big maybe) and it is no big deal to sacrifice a link or two of the galvanised chain each year. So Amel, despite going against the standard doctrine supply a very sensible and pragmatic solution.

There are lots of examples of good Amel and only a very few less than good.

So well done Amel.

Nick ( Amelia)


On 19 Aug 2018, at 18:16, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel

Porter McRoberts
 

In a big blow in the Bahamas, in 5 meters depth, with 50 meters of chain out we bent our wasi power ball swivel, and dragged the wasi anchor about a half mile across the flats at 3 am.  It happened so quickly.  I checked the helm and my navionics on the phone, said goodnight to my buddies and rechecked when i made it to the berth. Within that minute or so we were cruising backwards and had covered major ground without any sense of moving in the maelstrom.   We motored back up to gain some refuge behind Great Issac and reset with tandem anchor with a delta distal to the WASI and was finally ok.  

After that I bought a 40kg Rocna and this oversized Mantus Swivel.   


We've been in some blows since, once waiting to transit the canal at the F-spot.  50 kts sustained we did drag, but then on resetting the Rocna I  found a huge rock wedged as a chock between the blade and the shaft.  Thats the only reset i've done since in a year. Both swivel and anchor still look beautiful. And I sleep "fairly” well.

Now if we could just make a diesel engine like the Mantus and Rocnas!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Vista Mar, Panama












On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,

 I'm not a fan of swivels unless they are really bullet proof, preferably bought from a commercial  trawler co-op or similar. 
 The solution I was taught is to use two anchor shackles( anchor-shackle-shackle-chain) between the anchor and chain. Has the same ability to deliver the anchor ( a Spade in our case) correctly to the roller , easily inspected ( and a whole lot cheaper ! )

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 18 August 2018 22:06:28
To: amel owners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel
 


Hi again. More often than not my rockna anchor arrives at the roller facing the wrong way. Swivel allows it to turn as it comes up and over. I just pause the windlass at the right moment and it flips.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Danny,


 I'm not a fan of swivels unless they are really bullet proof, preferably bought from a commercial  trawler co-op or similar. 

 The solution I was taught is to use two anchor shackles( anchor-shackle-shackle-chain) between the anchor and chain. Has the same ability to deliver the anchor ( a Spade in our case) correctly to the roller , easily inspected ( and a whole lot cheaper ! )


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 18 August 2018 22:06:28
To: amel owners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel
 


Hi again. More often than not my rockna anchor arrives at the roller facing the wrong way. Swivel allows it to turn as it comes up and over. I just pause the windlass at the right moment and it flips.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Arthur. Hit a wrong button in my previous. Its 100m chain. 100m rope

Danny

On 19 August 2018 at 09:40 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Arthur

100m chain plus 200 m rope attached with splice. 35 kg rockna Yes I have a swivel. Many say it's not needed.

Regsrds Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 20:17 "'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

Courtney Gorman
 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,
wrote :

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



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