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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

 

A puff of smoke on acceleration of a D3 is probably not an indication of something going wrong.

Black smoke on acceleration almost always indicates unburnt fuel. One of the  reasons for computer controlled diesel engines was to eliminate this source of pollution. When rapidly accelerating  a conventional diesel engine, it will allow more fuel in the chamber than it can burn causing black smoke. The Volvo D3 systems are supposed to limit most of this, but an initial puff is likely very normal. I know that the 100hp Yanmar Turbo without a computer will allow lots of unburnt fuel on rapid acceleration and when the AutoProp is fouled.

I also know if I floor my 1985 Mercedes Turbo Diesel, I can smoke you if you are behind me. Sometimes this can add joy to my day😀.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:42 PM Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi dean. Ive operated diesels all my life. Most not vommon rail l acknowledge. However believe I can offer something here. Overloaded diesels smoke. The throttle opening delivers more fuel than can burn at the present revolutions. The modern computer controlled systems eliminate this mostly. However, if you slam the throttle down with the prop shaft stationary there is a moment of super overload intil it gets moving,hence your  puff of smoke.

I don't think you have an issue here.

Regards

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 21:50 "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,
I’ve done your smoke test.
Yes, under the rapid throttle action, a puff of black smoke comes from our Volvo exhaust exactly as you describe. Not confidence inspiring! Hmmm.

I look forward to seeing other owners results of this quick test.

Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


 


 


Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

Miles
 

I have also used the Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years along with the WASI anchor and chain.  According to tests reported by WASI, the swivel is significantly stronger than the strongest chain.  Anyone not familiar with it would probably enjoy looking it up.

 

Regards to all,

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug , sm 216, offshore in Gulf of Maine, heading south to Cape Cod


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Anchor swivel [2 Attachments]

 

Mark,

Maybe your photo proves the opposite. What kind of load did it take to deform? Think about it.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:08 PM brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from brass.ring@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

I believe the WASI anchor swivel may be the weak point in the current anchor system.  It may have been state of the art 10 years ago - things change.  I found the WASI swivel deformed, see photos, as Porter described.  Ours was attached to a 33kg Rockna.  It was replaced with a Mantus swivel due to the chain attachment method and its general construction, it appears to a brute.  Additionally, the customer support from the US distributor for WASI was horrible, multiple phone calls with no return calls, etc. - you may know the drill.

Mark & Debbie Mueller
Brass Ring  A54 - 68
Beaufort, NC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

 

Nick,

The two mix fine, and there is a reason for the mix. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:07 PM Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Improvement or not


Here is one that I have changed perspective on.

When I first bought Amelia I saw stainless WASI anchor and
Galvanised chain and went into shock.. Do not mix the two.....

Well recently I have been anchoring in some less than perfect ground, not from choice but necessity.. That sharp point on the WASI does a great job at hooking on and being stainless does not lose her galvanising in the process. 

My point:

My second (Delta) anchor is rusty and needs hot dipping. Lightly used to boot.

Yes one should not mix stainless and galvanised but all stainless chain is very expensive and maybe brittle (big maybe) and it is no big deal to sacrifice a link or two of the galvanised chain each year. So Amel, despite going against the standard doctrine supply a very sensible and pragmatic solution..

There are lots of examples of good Amel and only a very few less than good.

So well done Amel.

Nick ( Amelia)


On 19 Aug 2018, at 18:16, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,
wrote :

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



Skickat från min iPhone





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, When I we got your email the other day I assumed you must not have been flying from NZ. just to come to the Rendezvous , it now makes sense. I suggested BWI , if that didn't work, Dulles or Philadelphia would also work . Philly would be just under 21/2 hrs from St Michaels . Glad you left the cat out of the bag ,and we all hope you guys can make it , we'll leave a light on for you.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2018 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
Hmmmm. We are in alaska and Canada west in September. By big Bird. Will look a a diversion for the biggest Amel party yet. Its a long shot so don't hold your breath.
Danny
On 18 August 2018 at 23:45 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Danny, Should be, I wish you and Yvonne could join us.
Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
 
Wow. What a gathering.
Danny
SM299
Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific
On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 " sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 

Below is a li st of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at ( sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to at tend, that should make for a hell of a party! 



Pat & Diane McAneny
SM Shenanigans

 

 
                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
 Boat< span style="font-weight: bold;">Whonumber of people
 Will fly in Joel Potter1
1ShenanigansPat & Diane McAneny2
2KristyKent Robertson and Iris2
3Life is GoodVladimir and Marina2
4AletesMike & Lauren Ondra
2
 AletesTom Peacock1
5It's GoodMark and Jennifer Garver2
6CaraMark and Denise McGovern2
7GaleneGreg and Lora Wirth2
8WandererDuane and Peg Siegfried2
9HarmonieBill Kinney and Karen Smith2
10SangarisCraig and Katherine 2
 looking for a boatAlan and Laura Grayson2
11BrevisSherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers2
12TouRaiSteve Morrison1
13FiascoAras1
14Have Fun!David Lambertsen1
15Brass RingMark and Debbie Mueller2
16JoyChuck and Kim Lacey2
17RascalRick and Linda Grimes2  
 Future SM2K ownerBrent Cameron1

 
 

 

 60;
 
 
 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

ngtnewington Newington
 

Improvement or not

Here is one that I have changed perspective on.

When I first bought Amelia I saw stainless WASI anchor and
Galvanised chain and went into shock. Do not mix the two.....

Well recently I have been anchoring in some less than perfect ground, not from choice but necessity. That sharp point on the WASI does a great job at hooking on and being stainless does not lose her galvanising in the process. 

My point:

My second (Delta) anchor is rusty and needs hot dipping. Lightly used to boot.

Yes one should not mix stainless and galvanised but all stainless chain is very expensive and maybe brittle (big maybe) and it is no big deal to sacrifice a link or two of the galvanised chain each year. So Amel, despite going against the standard doctrine supply a very sensible and pragmatic solution.

There are lots of examples of good Amel and only a very few less than good.

So well done Amel.

Nick ( Amelia)


On 19 Aug 2018, at 18:16, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



Skickat från min iPhone





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel

Porter McRoberts
 

In a big blow in the Bahamas, in 5 meters depth, with 50 meters of chain out we bent our wasi power ball swivel, and dragged the wasi anchor about a half mile across the flats at 3 am.  It happened so quickly.  I checked the helm and my navionics on the phone, said goodnight to my buddies and rechecked when i made it to the berth. Within that minute or so we were cruising backwards and had covered major ground without any sense of moving in the maelstrom.   We motored back up to gain some refuge behind Great Issac and reset with tandem anchor with a delta distal to the WASI and was finally ok.  

After that I bought a 40kg Rocna and this oversized Mantus Swivel.   


We've been in some blows since, once waiting to transit the canal at the F-spot.  50 kts sustained we did drag, but then on resetting the Rocna I  found a huge rock wedged as a chock between the blade and the shaft.  Thats the only reset i've done since in a year. Both swivel and anchor still look beautiful. And I sleep "fairly” well.

Now if we could just make a diesel engine like the Mantus and Rocnas!


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Vista Mar, Panama












On Aug 19, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,

 I'm not a fan of swivels unless they are really bullet proof, preferably bought from a commercial  trawler co-op or similar. 
 The solution I was taught is to use two anchor shackles( anchor-shackle-shackle-chain) between the anchor and chain. Has the same ability to deliver the anchor ( a Spade in our case) correctly to the roller , easily inspected ( and a whole lot cheaper ! )

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece

From: amelyachtowners@... <amelyachtowners@...> on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: 18 August 2018 22:06:28
To: amel owners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel
 


Hi again. More often than not my rockna anchor arrives at the roller facing the wrong way. Swivel allows it to turn as it comes up and over. I just pause the windlass at the right moment and it flips.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Danny,


 I'm not a fan of swivels unless they are really bullet proof, preferably bought from a commercial  trawler co-op or similar. 

 The solution I was taught is to use two anchor shackles( anchor-shackle-shackle-chain) between the anchor and chain. Has the same ability to deliver the anchor ( a Spade in our case) correctly to the roller , easily inspected ( and a whole lot cheaper ! )


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 18 August 2018 22:06:28
To: amel owners
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor swivel
 


Hi again. More often than not my rockna anchor arrives at the roller facing the wrong way. Swivel allows it to turn as it comes up and over. I just pause the windlass at the right moment and it flips.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lenght of anchorchain?SM2000

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Arthur. Hit a wrong button in my previous. Its 100m chain. 100m rope

Danny

On 19 August 2018 at 09:40 "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Arthur

100m chain plus 200 m rope attached with splice. 35 kg rockna Yes I have a swivel. Many say it's not needed.

Regsrds Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 20:17 "'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

Skickat från min iPhone

 


 


 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

Courtney Gorman
 

Amen 🙏 


On Aug 19, 2018, at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@...,
wrote :

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



Skickat från min iPhone





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

ngtnewington Newington
 

Fellow Amel owners,

Don’t get me wrong. I love my 54 and think she is a great boat well engineered, and well built, which is why I own her.

I completely agree with Bill’s general philosophy. 
 
One should think twice before adding or removing equipment, for example I feel that I do not need the dishwasher and would rather use that bit of prime real estate for something else. However I have left it for now. 
What is also true is that older boats tend to have horrible wiring as various owners have added and changed things. So I completely agree that one needs to be very very careful adding equipment.

But at the same time one needs to keep up with what is available. Amelia was built in 2006 the same year I bought my last boat. The first thing I did to that boat was install a big 24v alternator and LED lighting. The LED technology was well tested then. Amel did not start installing LED until much later. It is hardly a criticism. Only a few bulbs.
There are some areas of the Amel that are in my view due for criticism; for example 
1. the use of mild steel that is glassed into the bullwork. Shame it is not stainless!
2. Iron not lead keels. 
3. Battery isolation handles that do not actually isolate the batteries completely.

No boat is perfect.

I do not blame Amel for using hi tech Volvos I blame the regulatory framework that forces the emissions targets that require complex engines, sensors everywhere. Not what you want in Pategonia!

I think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet; Amels are great cruising boats and it is a privilege to own one, and one must think twice before improving what is already very good....

Nick
(anchored Canary Islands surrounded by Jet skis wondering why I left the Azores)



On 19 Aug 2018, at 13:55, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Nick,

In 1985 solar and LED were not proven nor practical. Today Amels come with LED. I am not sure Henri would have used any of the solar solutions I have seen. I believe his objections would have been to either appearance, or to structure. And, like many things, if Henri was with us today, he may have done something with solar that no other builder has done yet.

I hope this answers your questions.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 16:41 Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting? Henri Amel never embraced either.




Nick

Amelia (54) in the Canary Islands.
Enjoying not being a slave to the batteries.


On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Arthur,

Amel has used the German-made stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't really like any swivel made by others. For more information, Google it.

BTW, like it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is, but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course, that is my opinion and I understand that it could be argued.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Arthur,

We do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people do..  

With a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do not...

We use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you can get with a standard shackle.  

In general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough confidence in to actually use.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

 

Nick,

In 1985 solar and LED were not proven nor practical. Today Amels come with LED. I am not sure Henri would have used any of the solar solutions I have seen. I believe his objections would have been to either appearance, or to structure. And, like many things, if Henri was with us today, he may have done something with solar that no other builder has done yet.

I hope this answers your questions.


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 16:41 Nick ngtnewington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting? Henri Amel never embraced either.




Nick

Amelia (54) in the Canary Islands.
Enjoying not being a slave to the batteries.


On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Arthur,

Amel has used the German-made stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't really like any swivel made by others. For more information, Google it.

BTW, like it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is, but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course, that is my opinion and I understand that it could be argued.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Arthur,

We do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people do..  

With a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do not...

We use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you can get with a standard shackle.  

In general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough confidence in to actually use.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

ngtnewington Newington
 

To be fair Henri was pretty old in 2005. So one should not expect him to have kept up to date, but that is my point. His general philosophy was sound but as with everything time and tide waits for nobody.
Nick


On 19 Aug 2018, at 12:03 pm, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


I agree with Alexandre. In my view, I’m sure Henri would have embraced both solar and LED technology at the appropriate time. As you indicate Nick, they have tremendous upsides and no significant downsides, and as with with any emergent technology, picking the ‘sweet’ time to adopt is one of the challenges.

On the other hand, I’m also convinced Henri would have had major objections to software controlled engines.

Bill R, I’m sure your self-appointed role is much appreciated by the great majority of the forum. We won’t always end up with the same solution, but it is always a useful exercise to contemplate ‘what would Henri have done’ ?

Please keep doing what you do :-)

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


Re: Improvements to the Amel design.

Dean Gillies
 

I agree with Alexandre. In my view, I’m sure Henri would have embraced both solar and LED technology at the appropriate time. As you indicate Nick, they have tremendous upsides and no significant downsides, and as with with any emergent technology, picking the ‘sweet’ time to adopt is one of the challenges.

On the other hand, I’m also convinced Henri would have had major objections to software controlled engines.

Bill R, I’m sure your self-appointed role is much appreciated by the great majority of the forum. We won’t always end up with the same solution, but it is always a useful exercise to contemplate ‘what would Henri have done’ ?

Please keep doing what you do :-)

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

If I may step in, I think Mister Henry Tonnet (as we know as Amel, which is his resistance name during WWII) passed away in 2005.
I think back then, solar, LED and all we take for granted nowadays were in their infant stage, too expensive, not developed for the marine environment, etc. so I wouldn’t be surprised Mr Amel would have keep an eye on how they evolve to eventually use them.

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 8/18/18, Nick ngtnewington@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Improvements to the Amel design.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2018, 4:41 PM


 









So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting?
Henri Amel never embraced either.


Nick
Amelia (54) in the Canary
Islands.Enjoying not being a slave to the
batteries.

Sent from my
iPhone
On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41,
Bill Rouse brouse@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Arthur,
Amel has used the German-made
stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL
galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all
installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't
really like any swivel made by others. For more information,
Google it.
BTW, like
it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of
us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am
evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for
all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's
design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is,
but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course,
that is my opinion and I understand that it could be
argued.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832)
380-4970
On Sat, Aug
18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 










Arthur,
We
do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people
do..  
With
a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found
twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in
deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a
lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor
comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with
twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do
not...
We
use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus
Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a
stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you
can get with a standard shackle.  
In
general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious
weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough
confidence in to actually use.
Bill
KinneySM160,
HarmonieAnnapolis,
MD, USA


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com,
<arthur@...> wrote :

You
experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long
is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?

Fair winds

Arthur

Vista. SM 435



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Re: Leakage from C-Drive Reservoir

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Colin,
Thanks for that warning. The fluid is not water affected, but maybe I should change those parts before we launch again next year. I guess thay are Amel specific, so I’ll drop a line to Maud.

Hi Bill,
Sorry, that was my poor attention to detail. It’s not Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF), although I do have plenty of that these days!

It is gear oil. Your explanation confirms exactly what I observed, at 25deg it’s at the max level, when hot it’s above it and the pressure will be up. I will fill it to half-mark next time to provide some more air-space for expansion before the cap leaks in tough seas.

Many thanks again,
Dean


Anchor swivel

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi again. More often than not my rockna anchor arrives at the roller facing the wrong way. Swivel allows it to turn as it comes up and over. I just pause the windlass at the right moment and it flips.

Danny

SM 299

Ocean pearl


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hmmmm. We are in alaska and Canada west in September. By big Bird. Will look a a diversion for the biggest Amel party yet. Its a long shot so don't hold your breath.

Danny

On 18 August 2018 at 23:45 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Danny, Should be, I wish you and Yvonne could join us.

Pat
SM123


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Sat, Aug 18, 2018 12:38 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

 
 
Wow. What a gathering.
Danny
SM299
Ocean pearl from the far off south pacific
On 17 August 2018 at 13:22 " sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" < amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
 

Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at ( sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to at tend, that should make for a hell of a party! 



Pat & Diane McAneny
SM Shenanigans

 

 
                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
 BoatWhonumber of people
 Will fly in Joel Potter1
1ShenanigansPat & Diane McAneny2
2KristyKent Robertson and Iris2
3Life is GoodVladimir and Marina2
4AletesMike & Lauren Ondra
2
 AletesTom Peacock1
5It's GoodMark and Jennifer Garver2
6CaraMark and Denise McGovern2
7GaleneGreg and Lora Wirth2
8WandererDuane and Peg Siegfried2
9HarmonieBill Kinney and Karen Smith2
10SangarisCraig and Katherine 2
 looking for a boatAlan and Laura Grayson2
11BrevisSherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers2
12TouRaiSteve Morrison1
13FiascoAras1
14Have Fun!David Lambertsen1
15Brass RingMark and Debbie Mueller2
16JoyChuck and Kim Lacey2
17RascalRick and Linda Grimes2  
 Future SM2K ownerBrent Cameron1

 
 

 

 
 
 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi dean. Ive operated diesels all my life. Most not vommon rail l acknowledge. However believe I can offer something here. Overloaded diesels smoke. The throttle opening delivers more fuel than can burn at the present revolutions. The modern computer controlled systems eliminate this mostly. However, if you slam the throttle down with the prop shaft stationary there is a moment of super overload intil it gets moving,hence your  puff of smoke.

I don't think you have an issue here.

Regards

Danny

SM299

Ocean pearl

On 18 August 2018 at 21:50 "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter,
I’ve done your smoke test.
Yes, under the rapid throttle action, a puff of black smoke comes from our Volvo exhaust exactly as you describe. Not confidence inspiring! Hmmm.

I look forward to seeing other owners results of this quick test.

Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54#154


 


 


Improvements to the Amel design.

ngtnewington Newington
 

So Bill what about solar power and LED lighting? Henri Amel never embraced either.



Nick

Amelia (54) in the Canary Islands.
Enjoying not being a slave to the batteries.


On 18 Aug 2018, at 16:41, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Arthur,

Amel has used the German-made stainless steel Wasi PowerBall swivel for many years on ALL galvanized or stainless steel chain, with almost all installed on stainless steel anchors. PowerBall isn't really like any swivel made by others. For more information, Google it.

BTW, like it or not, I am the self-appointed guy that reminds all of us to respect Captain Amel's decisions. And, when I am evaluating an Amel for prospective buyer/client, I look for all indications of any disrespect of the Captain's design decisions. I am not sure what the actual number is, but I believe that the Captain was 99% correct. Of course, that is my opinion and I understand that it could be argued.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 18, 2018, 10:22 greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Arthur,

We do use a swivel... but not for the reasons that most people do..  

With a proper anchor roller and gypsy we have never found twisting of chain to be a significant issue.  Especially in deep water, once the anchor is off the bottom, there is a lot of time for the twist to work its way out as the anchor comes up.  Other people have had more trouble with twist--and some think a swivel helps, others do not...

We use the Mantus Swivel (Mantus Anchor Website) only because its design gives us a stronger connection between the chain and anchor than you can get with a standard shackle.  

In general I am not a fan of swivels, they can be a serious weak point in the overall system, but these I have enough confidence in to actually use.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



---In amelyachtowners@..., <arthur@...> wrote :

You experienced sailors of the Pacific and Carribian. How long is your anchorchain??? Do you use a swivel?
Fair winds
Arthur
Vista. SM 435

Skickat från min iPhone

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