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Re: Climma Heat

Duane Siegfri
 

Ryan,

I did have it on the high fan setting.  I'll check for a "click" when it turns off, good info.

Which of the Micro Air controllers did you buy?  I'd like to make a note of that just in case.

Than ks.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

I think it is great you want to help. We get mixed information regarding the affected islands. Some boaters are going to give aid. Most are staying away. What is really needed are skills such as doctors, nurses, engineers and builders etc. Some sources ask cruises to stay away as it puts added pressure on already scarce resources (water, fuel, food, etc.) Other sources say to visit because they need tourism to start back up. So, it is a real mixed hodgepodge of info. If you search FaceBook for the islands you plan to visit, you can determine what to take regarding supplies. For example, Dominica put out a call for tarps. However, that was about a month ago so I would assume they have got some by now.

 

If you do decide to visit some of the badly affected islands, we suggest you stay self sufficient while visiting and provision well ahead of time.

 

Hope to meet you in Martinique.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

 

 

Hi cousins,

Iris and I are heading S from Jacksonville FL in a couple of weeks.  We are hoping to get involved in the hurricane relief effort somewhere.  We could bring supplies or equipment, help in a medical clinic, hammer nails, or just about anything else that's needed.  I just discovered a website that is attempting to coordinate efforts by sailors called www.sailorshelping.com .

 

Does anyone know of specific needs or contacts in the islands that might be able to focus our efforts more precisely?

 

Is anyone else going to do any relief volunteering?

 

We'll make an effort to be in Martinique in mid-Jan for the apparent Amel Rendezvous.

 

Thanks,

Kent

SM243

Kristy


Amel 54 Helm Toggle Switches and Covers

Dean Gillies
 

Hi All,

I've just purchased some rubber switch covers for the toggle switches at the helm of our 54.


The nuts on the covers were a little "green", and I had damaged one of the rubbers when removing the spherical toggle, so a new set of covers (including shiny new nuts) was in order.


The switches are Apem 600H Series (eg 637H) and the rubber covers (sealing boots) are also from Apem, they are part number U1565.  To replace all the covers was about USD50 from Mouser. 


For the more adventurous there is a range of sealing boot colours to choose from, eg red, green, blue, white !

I stuck with black.


Cheers

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54#154



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Kent,


 I bought a new switch plate from Climma 2 years ago and now the thermostat has failed--however you turn it, it won't "click" and the heater won't come on, though the fan works OK.


 When you say " parts are available to rebuild your controller" do you mean that you simply replaced the thermostat, which is what I intend to do?    Climma in England want £45 for a new thermostat, a bit rich when the original lasted 15 years and the present one only 2 years.


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Greece


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 08 December 2017 02:53:16
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat
 
I had a thermostat fail last year. Parts are available to rebuild your controller rather than purchase a new one.

Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Dec 7, 2017, at 16:10, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Duane,
What fan speed are you operating it at?  I read in the manual that you must use medium or high when heating, and I can confirm that mine shuts off if I use it in low.  I assume there is a thermal protection circuit inside the heater element; it will just stop heating and blow cold air.

There is no capacitor for the electric heat, only the blower and compressor.  I would assume your capacitor is fine since your blower works fine.

Have you confirmed that it doesn't believe it has reached the desired temperature?  You should be able to tell by turning the thermostat and hearing both it and the relay for the heat click.

BTW, I've just finished replacing 2 of the 3 Climma control units with new ones from Micro Air and they're pretty fantastic and it's a relatively easy change.  The only downside I've identified so far is a faint humm from the blower when operating at lower settings that wasn't present with the original control.  I assume it has something to do with digital vs analog controls.  I doubt this would change your situation though.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:56 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.


It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

karkauai
 

Hi cousins,
Iris and I are heading S from Jacksonville FL in a couple of weeks.  We are hoping to get involved in the hurricane relief effort somewhere.  We could bring supplies or equipment, help in a medical clinic, hammer nails, or just about anything else that's needed.  I just discovered a website that is attempting to coordinate efforts by sailors called www.sailorshelping.com .

Does anyone know of specific needs or contacts in the islands that might be able to focus our efforts more precisely?

Is anyone else going to do any relief volunteering?

We'll make an effort to be in Martinique in mid-Jan for the apparent Amel Rendezvous.

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

karkauai
 

I had a thermostat fail last year. Parts are available to rebuild your controller rather than purchase a new one.

Kent
SM243
Kristy

On Dec 7, 2017, at 16:10, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Duane,
What fan speed are you operating it at?  I read in the manual that you must use medium or high when heating, and I can confirm that mine shuts off if I use it in low.  I assume there is a thermal protection circuit inside the heater element; it will just stop heating and blow cold air.

There is no capacitor for the electric heat, only the blower and compressor.  I would assume your capacitor is fine since your blower works fine.

Have you confirmed that it doesn't believe it has reached the desired temperature?  You should be able to tell by turning the thermostat and hearing both it and the relay for the heat click.

BTW, I've just finished replacing 2 of the 3 Climma control units with new ones from Micro Air and they're pretty fantastic and it's a relatively easy change.  The only downside I've identified so far is a faint humm from the blower when operating at lower settings that wasn't present with the original control.  I assume it has something to do with digital vs analog controls.  I doubt this would change your situation though.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 3:56 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.


It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Miles,
Interesting advice from "Amel", although lacking a "why" makes me wonder.

I've set my BT so when retracted the "donut" gaskets are gently compressed AND the hole in the lift is just a fraction below the pin. There is absolutely no strain on the lifting motor. Then, if-or-when I insert the pin it lifts the motor only about 1mm because of the taper on the end of the pin.  Maybe the Captain engineered it that way!, That relieves almost all force on the lifting mechanism. Then I "pop" the down switch to put absolutely all the load on the pin, not the cable/motor. I also rotate the pin behind the locking pin. No way to get loose.

If you need to put a "strong squeeze" on the cable you are lifting the motor a lot. Eric -or was it Bill? - said the squeeze lifts the motor 10 mm - about 1/2 inch - which, I think, is more than the thickness of the "donut" gaskets. Logically that says the donut gaskets are either not touching the BT housing without the pin or they are way too compressed after the squeeze - maybe that's why many owners are needing to replace them very frequently.

Do you "squeeze and pin" EVERY time you use your BT?  What a pain and I sure don't., Like most of us I think, most of my sailing is day hopping without the pin inserted. So why not have the "donut gaskets" do their job either with or without the pin in place.

Oh well, lots of ways to skin a cat.

Cheers, Craig SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., <milesbid@...> wrote :

Hello Craig,

Many years ago, Amel told me to never adjust the bow thruster the way you have done.  Making the lift motor raise it to the pin puts too much force on the motor.   It should stop where it requires a strong squeeze on the cable to get the pin in.  This is how the Amel people demonstrated it to me.  

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, at dock 4 m Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Heat

eric freedman
 

The thermal cut off is located on the upper right side of the frame of the heater. The heater looks like an old time toaster. However, I’ll bet it’s a low reading capacitor. It is one of the 3 small ones. If I remember- they are 2 and 3+ microfarads with white wire leads.

 

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 8:35 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Climma Heat

 

 

Ryan, Mark, Mark, Eric and Bill,

 

Thanks all for your comments.  This is a great resource.  I'll look for Bill's photo instructions.  Bill, I'll be checking the cap's tomorrow and have the replacements on board.  Hopefully that's all there is.  If not I'll be looking for the switch.

 

Duane

 

 


Re: Climma Heat

Duane Siegfri
 

Ryan, Mark, Mark, Eric and Bill,

Thanks all for your comments.  This is a great resource.  I'll look for Bill's photo instructions.  Bill, I'll be checking the cap's tomorrow and have the replacements on board.  Hopefully that's all there is.  If not I'll be looking for the switch.

Duane



Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Miles,
Interesting advice from Amel  I think it's a bit odd, frankly, and it seems not to have come with a "why" do this..

I rather think the logical adjustment, which I've done, is to have it simply and gently snug up against the "donut" gaskets AND have the pin hole in alignment. There is no strain or overload at all needed by the lifting motor.  

When, infrequently, we insert the pin for boisterous sailing, its taper on the end picks the motor up only about one more mm when inserted and it goes in snugly, keeping the weight of the motor off of the lifting mechanism. Then we "pop" the down switch for a second to totally unload the lift motor. And we rotate the pin behind the locking post.

I should think a "strong squeeze", as you (or "Amel") put it, will compress the donuts a whole lot.  Eric (or was it Bill?) said he squeezes up about 10mm, almost 1/2 inch - I don't think the donuts are even that thick, so when not pinned that logically means they wouldn't be making firm contact with the BT box at all.. As I said, "odd advice".

Do you "squeeze and pin" every time you use the BT?  Seems a pain especially for coastal day-hops. I'd posit that most of the time most of us are day hopping and not pinning the BT (and shouldn't have to), so why not have the donuts be in firm and proper contact with the BT box all the time so they can do their job for those inevitable times when it kicks up a bit and you haven't put the pin in?

Oh well - lot's of ways to skin a cat.

Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <milesbid@...> wrote :

Hello Craig,

Many years ago, Amel told me to never adjust the bow thruster the way you have done.  Making the lift motor raise it to the pin puts too much force on the motor.   It should stop where it requires a strong squeeze on the cable to get the pin in.  This is how the Amel people demonstrated it to me.  

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, at dock 4 m Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Mark,

I just saw the switches delivered from Amel and new plastic switch sleeves we're delivered with the switches...maybe I can get a photo tomorrow. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Dec 7, 2017 16:06, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

 

I ordered some of the buttons below to have as spares in case the replacement buttons I installed from Vetus fail. However, when they arrived I found they are way too small for the holes in the windlass.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 7:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

 

 

When the rubber boots on mine failed I replaced the external windlass switches with these:

 

 

Waterproof, Sealed with o-rings, no exposed rubber to rot in the sun.

 

If these fail, I'll likely plug the holes permanently and only use my handheld remote, which is a better solution anyway.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Annapolis, Maryland

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I am 99% sure the fan speed is too slow which is tripping the thermostatic safety switch which is getting too hot because of low fan speed. If the heat is turning OFF with the fan on high, check the three fan capacitors. If they are out of range, replace them. If you don't have a multitester that will test them, replace them. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Dec 7, 2017 18:22, "'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Duane,

Check the 3 small capacitors. In my case the same thing happened due to low fan speed the thermal switch turned the heat off.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

 

 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.

 

It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

pstas2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Mark,

We ordered the same switches and found them to be way too small as well.  Unfortunately, one of these was meant to be put into use right away.  I am currently in the process (3 days now) of making them work.  I won't know until tomorrow if I was successful or not but all looks positive.  If it works out I will show you what I did when we get to Martinique and update the forum with some photo's.

All the best,

Paul Stascavage
SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn
Cruising St. Lucia

www.RitaKathryn.com


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Craig Briggs
 


Re: Martinique. Boat on island about January 18

Miles
 

Eric,

Thank you for the list.

For information, I will be here except for the period from 7 Jan to 29 Jan.  I would like to meet other Amel Owners during this time.  I have found that each conversation leads to some mutual Amel learning, and I have never met an rotten Amel person (which I trust is not due to a small sample result).

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, at dock 4 m Le Marin, Martinique

 


Re: Bow Thruster Travel Adjustment

Miles
 

Hello Craig,

Many years ago, Amel told me to never adjust the bow thruster the way you have done.  Making the lift motor raise it to the pin puts too much force on the motor.   It should stop where it requires a strong squeeze on the cable to get the pin in.  This is how the Amel people demonstrated it to me.  

Regards,

Miles

S/Y Ladybug, at dock 4 m Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

eric freedman
 

Duane,

Check the 3 small capacitors. In my case the same thing happened due to low fan speed the thermal switch turned the heat off.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 3:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

 

 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.

 

It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Climma Heat

mfmcgovern@...
 

Duane,

As usual, Bill from Bebe has a Photo Album about this subject with some helpful information here:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/324976668

You might have an issue with the Thermostatic Safety Switch.  It may need to be cleaned or replaced.  If you figure out what it is, let us know. 

Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

Oops sorry. Just saw the EH in your email. Forget the valve, you don’t have one.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

 

 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.

 

It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

Mark Erdos
 

Duane,

 

Is this a reverse cycle unit? Or, do you have a heating element?

 

If it is reverse cycle, there is a reverse cycle valve that can stick (I hope you problem is this easy). The valve makes the coolant flow the opposite direction and the unit will heat instead of cooling. If the heat has not been run for quite some time this valve can stick or fail to stay open. Most often tapping the valve with a pair of pliers can resolve the issue.

 

To All:

 

When you clean your air filters on the AC units, run the heat for a little while. This will prevent the reverse cycle valve from sticking.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Martinique

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 4:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Climma Heat

 

 

We started the aft cabin Climma heater today and it's not working.

 

It starts to heat, based on my hand on the air outlet, but after 10 seconds or so blows only cold air.  So the heating element (we have the EH model) turns off after a few seconds.  I'll change the capacitors tomorrow, but can anyone add to the things for me to check?

 

Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477