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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Dean. 

Re the smoke:

Black sooty smoke with a small about of coke in the water. 
Only when rapidly throttling up. And only for a split second. Typical scenario. Backing into a slip, then gunning in forward to rapidly decrease the reverse motion to avoid dock contact. 
Maybe when I first start up, a tiny amount.  
Never while running, idling, and if I change speeds gradually never. Only a rapid change as in turbo lag. 
With a non common Rail I’d never even notice it. 
The comment by Nigel Calder to me “you should never see smoke on a common rail” stuck. I later clarified with him and he stuck to his statement of gospel. “Never.”

So...  also I would never notice it but when backing up I’m facing aft. Leg and back against the wheel to prevent rudder deviation. Hand on the throttle and bow stick. Heading out, conversely I’m looking forward and never notice. 

Re the WoT. We’re definitely lower. 2700.  Compression loss?  Hard to say what it was when I picked up the boat with the “new” long block. I think it was  the same. And 2700 is  what we saw during the sea trial pre- “New” long block.  

Thanks again to everyone 

Porter A54-152


Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Aug 15, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter, I think your maintenance regime for the engine looks just fine. It must be very frustrating to have this problem happening again.

I’m not clear on exactly what is the cause of the problem, but then I’m no diesel mechanic! Has that been clearly laid out by Volvo to your satisfaction?

That tell-tale puff of smoke is interesting, which I guess tells of oil ending up where it shouldn’t be and then burning off. I wonder if you can share a few more details about the exact circumstances around when it puffs… does it happen once, only under load, in neutral, idling and then gunning quickly etc. That would allow others to test and report comparisons.

I have the same D3–110i-C model and the Amel specified autoprop. My WOT is 2950-3000rpm.

I hope for a satisfactory resolution for you, it inspires no confidence in your planned travels when things like this happen.

Cheers Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you Danny . Good to know. 

Teun was very helpful. He’s down on this model of D3 and got a new/different one. Smart man. The warranty for us only covers a new long block. Which seems realistic. I also have tones of spares for this engine. Etc. Getting CDM to understand an electrically isolated engine Pyle prove incredibly difficult. 
Surprisingly Panama might as well be Somalia in terms of good reliable Volvo work. Rest of the country splendid. 

Some have expressed suspicion that the long block was never actually changed. It’s mine too. Today I’m going to do some forensics. 

We work so hard to make sure everything is perfect. It’s frustrating to have rely on a system that seems so error prone, and over which we have so little control. 

One of the things I really need to learn is how to get the fault codes out of the helm display. 

Had I that, at the beginning, we’d be so much further along in this process. We’re 2.5 months here in Panama with the engine. 

But as my Guru says, “slow down enjoy the trip”. Bill R and Marcus Aurelius to the rescue. 

I’d love a mechanical engine. 

Thanks for all the comments from everyone 

Porter
A54-152. Ibis. 
Vista Mar Marina, Panama

Excuse the errors.  
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On Aug 15, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,

Like everyone I feel for you. Some thoughts. Unless something like salt water ingress  happens and oil and filters are changed regularly diesel engines, mechanically are good for very high hours, 4000 ordinary, 8000, not unusual. You had all the mechanical parts renewed with the long block. I guess not all the wiring looms (which are considerable) nor the operational computer systems. That's where I would be looking. Teun Bass in Noumea has a similar story to tell and he may have something to offer.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 16 August 2018 at 01:50 "Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Porter, I think your maintenance regime for the engine looks just fine. It must be very frustrating to have this problem happening again.

I’m not clear on exactly what is the cause of the problem, but then I’m no diesel mechanic! Has that been clearly laid out by Volvo to your satisfaction?

That tell-tale puff of smoke is interesting, which I guess tells of oil ending up where it shouldn’t be and then burning off. I wonder if you can share a few more details about the exact circumstances around when it puffs… does it happen once, only under load, in neutral, idling and then gunning quickly etc. That would allow others to test and report comparisons.

I have the same D3–110i-C model and the Amel specified autoprop. My WOT is 2950-3000rpm.

I hope for a satisfactory resolution for you, it inspires no confidence in your planned travels when things like this happen.

Cheers Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

 

Ruedi,

Your Amel should have a Wasi Power Ball swivel at the connection between the chain and anchor. Does it?

Also, 10mm chain and gypsies come in 2 different sized links, called pitch. Carefully measure the long inside dimension of several links. Then inspect the gypsy for all markings. Let me know what you find. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Fri, Aug 17, 2018, 06:01 Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear Amelias


On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).


I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage. 


Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.  

 

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain? 


- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ?? 

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

 

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI 

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hi Dana
I'm with Dean and wish you good luck! 
YES please let us know about your project with Beta. Looking back to 'old school' engines as well. I would do the same step back if my D3 is giving-up service.
Cheers
Ruedi, SY WASABI, A54.#55


On 17 Aug 2018, at 15:05, Trifin trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Dana, Good luck with the re-power project.

I (and I’m sure many other 54 owners) will be really interested to hear your progress.

I would love to have an ‘old-school’ motor again.

Cheers Dean SY Stella Amel 54 #154

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Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Dana,
Good luck with the re-power project.

I (and I’m sure many other 54 owners) will be really interested to hear your progress.

I would love to have an ‘old-school’ motor again.

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
Amel 54 #154

Sent from my iPhone X


Mystery item found on A-54

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Any idea from the group?

I found this 2 stainless steel peaces 40cm each on my Amel-54 and I have no clue what it is for?


Best regards

Ruedi 

WASABI A54.#55 

Gouvia, Korfu 


Anchor Chain twisted in the locker after using some times

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Dear Amelias


On my Amel-54 I have original setup, as I think (Buegel-Anchor, WASI Powerball, Lewmar Windlass V4/V5).


I found a strange behavior of the anchor-chain which is after 8-10 Anchor maneuvers very badly twisted in the chain locker. It happened that when I need to draw more chain (let say over 40m) the chain is blocking in the windlass, because of this heavy twist in the locker. From time to time I take out the 100m chain and un-twist to avoid blockage, but still then after maybe 50-60m the twist coms back after short usage. 


Anchor chain 10mm Stainless-Steel (brand unknown) was replaced by former owner 2 years ago. The gypsy looks good, used but not damaged (I have not much experience how it must look like ;-) The V4/5 Gypsy No.203 (10mm) is correct. The chain works well in the windlass (also Swivel), and it seems all is matching.  

 

I ask you experienced guys who may had the similar problem, or who could know the cause of the twisted chain? 


- Is the gypsy of the windlass defect or over-used to much?

- Is the Stainless-Steel chain of a bad quality?

- Could the chain twist if it is not 100% match, it seems to match, but ?? 

- Any other idea for this strange behavior?

 

Thanks for advice and best regards

Ruedi

WASABI 

A54-#55

Gouvia, Korfu

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Maramu pole setup

smiles bernard
 

Thanks so much for this detailed and helpful response Alan. Very much appreciated indeed. 

Sadly I don’t have the manuals for the Maramu. 

The previous owner of SeaLove had managed to brake one of the whisker pole harken bell/toggles but said he only ever needed the one pole for his sailing style but as I’m planning to fly twin headsails downwind I have replaced the broken bits and now just trying to figure it all out. 

So it looks like I need to go rope shopping!

The Maramu deck/ cabin line attachment points differ from the SM so I’d be really interested to also hear from anyone who has experience of the Maramu line attachments if they have the time 

The SM double headsail setup with the triple foil luff groove sounds brilliant. I’m surprised other boat makers have not copied this 

All the best
Miles



On 16 Aug 2018, at 22:24, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Miles,

Do you not have the AMEL Manual that came with the boat that explains how to do it ?

Ours is SM2000, but it should be pretty much the same I would think.
'
You should have 6 lines, 2 blue, 2 red and 2 yellow.
With the pole mounted up and folded back, hanging from the rail :
Blue is the foreguy...from the pole end plate that will end up being fwd, forward through the block at the stanchion base at the fwd locker and back to the cleat on the cabin top.
Red is the afterguy ... from the aft pole end plate to the cleat outside the aft cabin.
Yellow is the down haul .... from the bottom pole plate  to the cleat opposite the mast base.
The topping lift is white and already rigged on the mast...take the shackle end to the uppermost plate on the boom end.
All our ropes have tape on them to indicate approximately where they should be tied off.
Take the port side genoa sheet out of the genoa car, take it forward and outside of everything and thread it through the end of the pole and to the block that takes the genoa sheet to the winch .... leave plenty of slack in it.

To launch it all
Lift up the topping lift until the pole end is at about chest height for the person that's going to push it out.
Go forward and take the blue line and 1,2,3 GO....the person at the cockpit pushes the pole out, the one with blue rope pulls like fury as the pole is swung out. Cleat it off quickly once the pole is out and the red line taut.

Now you adjust all the lines to get the pole horizontal. Then you can unfurl the genoa.

Same procedure for the ballooner  which you hoist on its special halyard with its hook on the stbd side slot of the headsail foil The hook secures itself at the top of the foil and the halyard is retrieved. Secure the tack at the deck before pulling out the sheet. Thread the ballooner sheet through the end of the pole through the block to the starboard winch and then push the pole out etc....

Getting the ballooner down involves using the dehooker which is attached to the ballooner halyard and pulled up the third slot in the foil. It releases the ballooner hook and the ballooner luff will collapse down the foil. Pull down the dehooker etc etc....

My manual is about 17Mb...too big for the files section on the forum. I will see if I can scan the relevant pages and post them as a file...pictures are worth a thousand words.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Maramu pole setup

Ian Park
 

Great explanation. First advice I got, and which we still do, is to leave the pole end just below the rail height. Also cushion the rail either with a fender (bumper) or cockpit cushion. Just occasionally the pole push may not take the pole out far enough to haul in on the blue line (especially if the boat rolls the wrong way at the wrong time). Then it swings back inboard with some force. Trying to catch it can be hazardous.
Same applies when bringing the pole back in when you’re done.
We don’t have much problem now with several ‘launch and retrieval’s’ behind us, but still do everything at rail level.
Would recommend keeping the big pole at a ‘safe’ height for the first few launches, then decide for yourselves. For us, Linda (not very big) launches and catches while I do the hauling and inward control.
P.S.
I find when the pole is due to come back in I can stand by the universal joint and put one hand on the inward end of the long pole to slow it down long before the outward end gets within range of the retriever’s reach.
Hope this all makes sense!
Good luck - it’s an amazing system!

Ian and Linda
Ocean Hobo SN96


Amel Rendezvous PARTY AND DRONE PICS

karkauai
 

Thanks again for spear-heading this Pat and Diane.

Iris and I will host a party at our house, about a 10 minute drive from the dinghy dock in St Michaels.  We’ll make it a pot luck dinner and supply the main course (not sure what yet) and beer & wine , so will need side dishes, salads, hors d’oeuvres, desserts, etc.  I will look into transportation to and from the dinghy dock.


DRONE PHOTOGRAPHY
I spoke with the guy who is going to 3D print our drawer/cabinet door pulls, who also does professional drone photography.  Here’s his reply.

I was thinking $100 per boats, minimum 10 boats. Digital photos and videos included. I would also include one standard printed photo to have something physical. We can work out printed prices too if people want larger photos, frames, etc.”

I would love to have pics of Kristy under sail and am guessing most of us would.  Pics from the air of the Amel Armada would be great, too.

Anybody interested, please contact me personally at
 karkauai ”at” yahoo “dot” com

See you all soon!
Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Aug 16, 2018, at 9:22 PM, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to attend, that should make for a hell of a party! 




Pat & Diane McAneny

SM Shenanigans



                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
  Boat Who number of people
  Will fly in  Joel Potter 1
1 Shenanigans Pat & Diane McAneny 2
2 Kristy Kent Robertson and Iris 2
3 Life is Good Vladimir and Marina 2
4 Aletes Mike & Lauren Ondra
2
  Aletes Tom Peacock 1
5 It's Good Mark and Jennifer Garver 2
6 Cara Mark and Denise McGovern 2
7 Galene Greg and Lora Wirth 2
8 Wanderer Duane and Peg Siegfried 2
9 Harmonie Bill Kinney and Karen Smith 2
10 Sangaris Craig and Katherine  2
  looking for a boat Alan and Laura Grayson 2
11 Brevis Sherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers 2
12 TouRai Steve Morrison 1
13 Fiasco Aras 1
14 Have Fun! David Lambertsen 1
15 Brass Ring Mark and Debbie Mueller 2
16 Joy Chuck and Kim Lacey 2
17 Rascal Rick and Linda Grimes 2  
  Future SM2K owner Brent Cameron 1



Amel Rendezvous St Michaels, MD Oct 1-4 2018

Patrick McAneny
 


Below is a list of all the boats/people that have notified me of their intention to attend the Amel Rendezvous in St.Michaels, Maryland on the Miles River starting on Oct.1. Please review the list, and contact me if you no longer plan to attend.  If you are not on the list, and plan to attend, contact me and I will add you to the list. Lastly, we need an accurate head count, if the head count is wrong under your name, contact me. Please contact me direct at (sailw32@...), so not to gum up the Amel site.  Right now, it looks like 17 Amels and 36 people plan to attend, that should make for a hell of a party! 




Pat & Diane McAneny

SM Shenanigans



                               Amel Chesapeake Rendezvous 2018
  Boat Who number of people
  Will fly in  Joel Potter 1
1 Shenanigans Pat & Diane McAneny 2
2 Kristy Kent Robertson and Iris 2
3 Life is Good Vladimir and Marina 2
4 Aletes Mike & Lauren Ondra
2
  Aletes Tom Peacock 1
5 It's Good Mark and Jennifer Garver 2
6 Cara Mark and Denise McGovern 2
7 Galene Greg and Lora Wirth 2
8 Wanderer Duane and Peg Siegfried 2
9 Harmonie Bill Kinney and Karen Smith 2
10 Sangaris Craig and Katherine  2
  looking for a boat Alan and Laura Grayson 2
11 Brevis Sherman Gifford & Glenn Ayers 2
12 TouRai Steve Morrison 1
13 Fiasco Aras 1
14 Have Fun! David Lambertsen 1
15 Brass Ring Mark and Debbie Mueller 2
16 Joy Chuck and Kim Lacey 2
17 Rascal Rick and Linda Grimes 2  
  Future SM2K owner Brent Cameron 1



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Paul Osterberg
 

Yes soon back, think we will anchor on Sassafras tomorrow
Paul


Re: Long block failure on a Volvo D3-110 Amel 54-152

Dana Anderson
 

Hi Bill,

Beta Marine has an option for a fully isolated engine which I did order. 
Thanks to you and many others on this forum, I knew enough to inquire about it :)

Best,
Dana
Amel 54 #003 'Pathfinder'


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, Paul just caught that oversight on my part.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Pat,
I am not on the boat however i believe the main outhaul should have one eye splice.
Otherwise the line can not be threaded through the brackets on the port side of the boom.
Eric
Sm376 Kimberlite


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 01:37 PM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
I thought I would pass this along. I just ordered from West  Marine ,New England V100 Vectran double braid 12mm for $2.75/ft. That is 50% off there normal price of $5.59. So it was a good time to replace the outhaul , having two eyes spliced in ,didn't ask about price on that.
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Aug 9, 2018 9:30 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Miles,

For any of the main outhaul, traveler or jib car control lines Kevlar, Spectra or Vectran core line is essential. Stretch is the enemy of performance in this application.

I tried 10mm OD Kelvar core line and found it insufficient for the use on the Andersen line tender drum. It consistently slipped under load. 12mm kevlar core works fine.  It doesn't surprise me since Andersen specifies that these drums are to be used only with 12 mm line.

I can only say what I found on my boat.  If 10mm OD Kevlar core line works for you, or has some advantages over the larger line that I do not understand, then do not let me talk you out of it. It is entirely possible that I missed some vital setup detail that would have made 10mm line work. 

I adjust the position of the traveler and outhaul quite a bit when sailing.  Having the control line slip when trying t o pull the traveler to windward is a real pain in the neck.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Annapolis, MD, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, Good thought , I suppose that is why I have a knot now, good catch ! Diane saw you on AIS and  that you are almost back on the Sassafras.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2018 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

 
Befor doing two splices you have to do the second one when the line is attached and through the block at the end of the boom. Suggest one splice and one knot.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: Maramu pole setup

Alan Leslie
 

Miles,
Do you not have the AMEL Manual that came with the boat that explains how to do it ?

Ours is SM2000, but it should be pretty much the same I would think.
'
You should have 6 lines, 2 blue, 2 red and 2 yellow.
With the pole mounted up and folded back, hanging from the rail :
Blue is the foreguy...from the pole end plate that will end up being fwd, forward through the block at the stanchion base at the fwd locker and back to the cleat on the cabin top.
Red is the afterguy ... from the aft pole end plate to the cleat outside the aft cabin.
Yellow is the down haul .... from the bottom pole plate  to the cleat opposite the mast base.
The topping lift is white and already rigged on the mast...take the shackle end to the uppermost plate on the boom end.
All our ropes have tape on them to indicate approximately where they should be tied off.
Take the port side genoa sheet out of the genoa car, take it forward and outside of everything and thread it through the end of the pole and to the block that takes the genoa sheet to the winch .... leave plenty of slack in it.

To launch it all
Lift up the topping lift until the pole end is at about chest height for the person that's going to push it out.
Go forward and take the blue line and 1,2,3 GO....the person at the cockpit pushes the pole out, the one with blue rope pulls like fury as the pole is swung out. Cleat it off quickly once the pole is out and the red line taut.

Now you adjust all the lines to get the pole horizontal. Then you can unfurl the genoa.

Same procedure for the ballooner  which you hoist on its special halyard with its hook on the stbd side slot of the headsail foil The hook secures itself at the top of the foil and the halyard is retrieved. Secure the tack at the deck before pulling out the sheet. Thread the ballooner sheet through the end of the pole through the block to the starboard winch and then push the pole out etc....

Getting the ballooner down involves using the dehooker which is attached to the ballooner halyard and pulled up the third slot in the foil. It releases the ballooner hook and the ballooner luff will collapse down the foil. Pull down the dehooker etc etc....

My manual is about 17Mb...too big for the files section on the forum. I will see if I can scan the relevant pages and post them as a file...pictures are worth a thousand words.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Mystery Maramu object

smiles bernard
 

Thanks Dennis that’s very helpful
I’ll take the wheel off and see what’s currently in place. I suspect there is a missing part or else I suspect it would have been be reassembled 
Many thanks for your help
All the best
Miles


On 16 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yes, I believe you are correct that it is the helm brake but it looks like the reason it is not where it belongs is because it is missing the block that the screw presses against the steering shaft.  Don't reassemble before replacing that block (it'll be flat on one side for the screw and curved on the other for the shaft.

Dennis
Libertad
Maramu #121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: SM Running Rigging

Paul Osterberg
 

Befor doing two splices you have to do the second one when the line is attached and through the block at the end of the boom. Suggest one splice and one knot.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259

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