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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main outhaul drive shaft removal [1 Attachment]

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Eric,
Interestingly sanded and dry, our shaft is just a tiny bit loose and slides in and out quite easily. Yet lubricated and after a year, tough to remove. I think the operative directive here is removing, cleaning, and lubricating at a 6 month interval. Do you think some sort of protective covering to keep most of the water out would help?
Mike
Aletes SM#240
Rock Hall, MD


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Battery Compartment Explosion

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Giovanni
yes, the internal regulator needs to be disconnected and the field wire led out of the back of the alternator.
There is a document in the files section on how to do it
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New ultrasonic DST sesnor from AIRMAR

 

Colin,

I believe the Paddlewheel reception on the B&G H2000 processor may be B&G analog language, so even if this is 0183 as the video states (I did not watch the video), it may not be a simple Plug&Play replacement for the sonic speed sensors. More research is needed.
 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

Any opinions and conclusions expressed in this message are solely those of the author and should not be construed as representing the opinion of an expert. Manufacturers' and Expert's precautions must be considered when dealing with mechanical and/or electrical systems to ensure that you are NOT harmed, and/or the device and/or system is NOT ruined. If in doubt, do not touch any mechanical and/or electrical device or system referred to above.


On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 2:13 PM Sailing Island Pearl colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Very interesting, I have been waiting for something like this as I will not drill another hole in my hull.

Bill, in the video (at 22 seconds in) it says you can get info via "NMEA2000 or NMEA0183".... I wonder if this could be both and therefore used into the old B&G and my more modern Raymarine system?

Colin on SV Island Pearl II, SM332
Currently anchored off the lovely exotic, Sakatia Island Lodge, NosyBe, Madagascar!!

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups..com> wrote:
 

Alan,

And it's NMEA 2000, so not a plug and play replacement for failed B&
G sonic speed.



Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 08:16 dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

[sorry, the earlier message 'got away' from me before I could properly complete.]

When our Sonic Speed failed, we regained Boat Speed by replacing the preexisting depth-only sensor in the underfloor compartment outside the forward head with a paddle-wheel DST800.  The DST800 uses a 51mm (2") form factor, and was a drop-in replacement.

The UDST800 is also a 51mm (2") fitting.  Noting however that the UDST800 processor requires a separate power supply, and the specs sheet says that this is 12VDC.

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396
Spanish Water, Curaçao




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchoring in deep water in the S Pacific.

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Kent,

I agree with Bill Rouse. In deep water your ratio can be less. One VERY important thing with chain and rode is when anchoring in coral areas your rope portion must be well clear of the bottom otherwise it will be cut by the coral. Connecting the rope to the chain is a simple splice technique. You have to share the strands through two links. They wont all fit through one. To give security make at least six tucks in the splice. So my rode is permanently attached. Dual anchor systems. I agree with Rocna, your primary anchor should be sized to be adequate and your 40 kg is that.

However if you want two anchors down the best method is tandem. Attach 10 m of chain to the hole in the leading edge of your primary anchor and add the second anchor to that. Then take 13 metes of floating line and attach one end to each anchor. This is to facilitate retrieval. When the primary anchor is back in the roller this rope is used to pull the other in. Its floating line so it wont tangle in the chain when deployed. This tandem system is vastly superior to deploying two anchors separately. The tandem are always in line and both are always fully holding.

Kind Regards

Danny

On 12 August 2018 at 08:49 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Wow, guess I’ve got to devise a good way to add rode to my 300 ft of chain.  Is 250 ft of 1 inch rode on 300 ft of chain enough? That’s less than 6:1.  There was some discussion a while back, but still not comfortable with the transition from chain to rope.  I guess hooking with the snubber line, disconnecting the chain from the locker, pulling it up on deck and shackling it to the rope is about all one can do.  Sounds like a hassle.  


Is the bottom in most places amenable to a ROCNA anchor?
I have a big Fortress and a Mantus as spare anchors, but have never used them.

Does anyone have a good way to mount a spare anchor on the rail?

Have you (or anyone else) used two anchors in tandem?  The ROCNA has a place to shackle a chain to the neck, but it would be difficult to get to, and even harder to retrieve. I guess a line with a float attached to the second anchor could be retrieved with a boat hook and hauled aboard with a halyard.  My back is already complaining about hauling it aboard by hand.

Any and all advice, experiences that taught you something, hints, etc greatly appreciated!

Kent
SM 243
Kristy

Hi Kent,

the question was not to me but I have fond memories of time there (Raiatea). I spent a lot of time anchored in 27 meters (90 ft).

Kind Rgards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


 

 


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Sounds great. We are on our way home to. STOCKHOLM Sweden. We sailed from. Toulon France in the med  with SM 435 which we just bought and are now in the. Baltic 30hours from home. We will upgrade and sail south next year so to install the heater is an autumn project.
Kind regards
Arthur
Vista. SM435

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12 aug. 2018 kl. 20:46 skrev eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi Arthur,
I do not have the photos on board. I will send them to you in a few days.
You will also need to order a special thermostat as the espar is made to sendse the intake air. You need the one that senses the interior air as the Amel way is to use the outside air to heat the boat.
Fair winds,
eric



On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:03 PM, 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Thank you. Eric!

I see forward to the info and pictures from you. I also think is best that s PRO installs it.

SM435, Vista

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12 aug. 2018 kl. 17:44 skrev eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Arthur,
I had an Espar heater installed in Kimberlite.
To date I have done everything on Kimberlite including changing the engine  mounts.

Years ago I purchased the pieces for the install of the heater which are unique to Amel, particularly the special exhaust with attached pipe, and the exhaust heat shield. They are no longer available. I found a fellow in England that sells the complete Espar unit and install kit on eBay. It got here in 3 days and was factory sealed and 1/2 the price here in the USA.

Over the years I have crawled through many cockpit lockers examined the installs from Amel and taken photos.

When i received the unit i took one look at the wiring harness, and the exhaust system and decide that I should have someone who is very familiar with the unit install it.

He installed it in a day and the install was perfect He is a certified Espar installer here on the north fork of Long Island.

I had previously contacted Ocean Options in Newport to install the unit and they said the Amel factory install is totally incorrect. Amel has probably installed more units than ocean options. I went with the Amel way.

Needless to say it is an ambitious project, and the thought of drilling a hole in the side of Kimberlite gave me pause.

I would look for a certified installer.
If you want some photos please send me your email address.
'Fair Wnds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite

Fair Winds,
Eric
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 05:59 AM, 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We want to install an heater in our SM2000. Does anyone have done this? Is the installation documented in some way or form. Please you who know could you share you insights.
Fair winds

Arthur Sundqvist
Vista , SM435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New ultrasonic DST sesnor from AIRMAR

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Very interesting, I have been waiting for something like this as I will not drill another hole in my hull.

Bill, in the video (at 22 seconds in) it says you can get info via "NMEA2000 or NMEA0183".... I wonder if this could be both and therefore used into the old B&G and my more modern Raymarine system?

Colin on SV Island Pearl II, SM332
Currently anchored off the lovely exotic, Sakatia Island Lodge, NosyBe, Madagascar!!

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 7:33 PM, Bill Rouse brouse@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan,

And it's NMEA 2000, so not a plug and play replacement for failed B&
G sonic speed.



Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 08:16 dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

[sorry, the earlier message 'got away' from me before I could properly complete.]

When our Sonic Speed failed, we regained Boat Speed by replacing the preexisting depth-only sensor in the underfloor compartment outside the forward head with a paddle-wheel DST800.  The DST800 uses a 51mm (2") form factor, and was a drop-in replacement.

The UDST800 is also a 51mm (2") fitting.  Noting however that the UDST800 processor requires a separate power supply, and the specs sheet says that this is 12VDC.

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396
Spanish Water, Curaçao




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Battery wires under step to mid ship cabin

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] main outhaul drive shaft removal [1 Attachment]

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

eric freedman
 


main outhaul drive shaft removal

Mike Ondra
 

Many of us have been challenged with the removal of the drive shaft for the mainsail outhaul drive shaft. I have broken the top of the gear box with too much pounding from below. Last fall it took an hydraulic jack with cribbing down to the deck to press the shaft out. When reinstalled a liberal amount of grease was used. That was less than a year ago.  Yet it was still incredibly stubborn to remove less than a year later. Simple prying or pounding did not break it loose. The ultimate combination that worked was to drive shims between the black plastic adapter and the boom to provide solid support to the plastic and not stress the plastic or bolts (see picture). Screwdrivers were driven on either side of the shaft just under its cap to tension it up. Pounding up from below broke it loose. There was no obvious excessive rust or corrosion to explain the stubbornness. After Polishing the shaft with sandpaper and filing and sanding the inside of the gearbox spindle to remove any residual rust, Molykote was liberally applied and the shaft reinstalled.  We’ll see in 6 months if the shaft can be removed more readily.

 

Mike Ondra

Aletes SM#240

Rock Hall, MD


Re: Battery Compartment Explosion

Ralph Caruso
 

I used to work in a field where water was disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen, and I can tell you that any accumulation of this mixture (called  a "stoichiometric mixture) can explode at the very slightest application of energy.  We had several experiences where this mix accumulated inside steel pipes, with no ignition source available whatsoever, and detonations occurred.  The ONLY way to avoid a detonation is to vent the space, either by forced ventilation or with natural ventilation pathways  that continuously slope upward, with NO voids that could accumulate the gas. I remember that the amount of energy that was required to cause a detonation was described as "the amount of energy that a mosquito uses to do a pushup" - somewhere around 0.5 erg, if I remember correctly - so all sorts of things can set it off.

I am not an Amel owner - I lurk here for good ideas that I can use on my Jeanneau - but I have 4 golf cart batteries, one engine starting battery, and one genset starting battery under the berth in my aft stateroom, and I have installed those catalytic combiner battery caps on the golf cart batteries, while the starting batteries are "sealed" lead acid.  I also have a small fan that exhausts the battery compartment into the boat whenever it senses voltage on the batteries above 13v - ie, charging is occurring.  I would prefer to vent overboard, but can't figure out a good piping solution that would also keep the water out while ensuring that it NEVER slopes downward.  I figure that the risk of water coming into the boat from a bad vent design would be higher than the risk of a hydrogen accumulation inside the boat - it is not very airtight, with the main hatch almost directly above  the batteries.

Interesting to hear about hydrogen explosions in boats...

Ralph Caruso
s/v Petillant
Jeanneau SO43DS


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Rack Adjustment

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Eric,

Thanks for checking. Interesting about the nylocks. It must be one of the many changes Amel made over time, as I have what appear original cap nuts with lock washers on the front side. I think I’ll add a bit of locktite as well. 

Aloha,

Steve

On Aug 12, 2018, at 05:49, eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi Steve,
I just examined mine. The racks are held in place with studs and nylocks.
The racks are solid with no wiggle room.
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376 kimberlite

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:05 AM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We are just finishing up with final adjustments after replacing our steering racks, pinion, and steering cables, and have a question about how tight the racks should be. The racks are held together by 2 threaded studs with 2 cap nuts facing the galley. Should these 2 cap nuts be tightened enough so the racks do not move at all, or be a bit looser which allows the racks to scissor back an forth a little? I can't find anything written about this, and I'd appreciate it if some of you could look at your steering racks and let me know if they are a little loose, or if you are unable to move them. My vote is for very tight with no movement, but would like to know how they are adjusted on some other boats.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Thank you. Eric!
I see forward to the info and pictures from you. I also think is best that s PRO installs it.

SM435, Vista

Skickat från min iPhone

12 aug. 2018 kl. 17:44 skrev eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Arthur,
I had an Espar heater installed in Kimberlite.
To date I have done everything on Kimberlite including changing the engine  mounts.

Years ago I purchased the pieces for the install of the heater which are unique to Amel, particularly the special exhaust with attached pipe, and the exhaust heat shield. They are no longer available. I found a fellow in England that sells the complete Espar unit and install kit on eBay. It got here in 3 days and was factory sealed and 1/2 the price here in the USA.

Over the years I have crawled through many cockpit lockers examined the installs from Amel and taken photos.

When i received the unit i took one look at the wiring harness, and the exhaust system and decide that I should have someone who is very familiar with the unit install it.

He installed it in a day and the install was perfect He is a certified Espar installer here on the north fork of Long Island.

I had previously contacted Ocean Options in Newport to install the unit and they said the Amel factory install is totally incorrect. Amel has probably installed more units than ocean options. I went with the Amel way.

Needless to say it is an ambitious project, and the thought of drilling a hole in the side of Kimberlite gave me pause.

I would look for a certified installer.
If you want some photos please send me your email address.
'Fair Wnds,
Eric
Sm 376 Kimberlite

Fair Winds,
Eric
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 05:59 AM, 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We want to install an heater in our SM2000. Does anyone have done this? Is the installation documented in some way or form. Please you who know could you share you insights.
Fair winds

Arthur Sundqvist
Vista , SM435

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Rack Adjustment

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New ultrasonic DST sesnor from AIRMAR

 

Alan,

And it's NMEA 2000, so not a plug and play replacement for failed B&
G sonic speed.



Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 08:16 dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Bill,

[sorry, the earlier message 'got away' from me before I could properly complete.]

When our Sonic Speed failed, we regained Boat Speed by replacing the preexisting depth-only sensor in the underfloor compartment outside the forward head with a paddle-wheel DST800.  The DST800 uses a 51mm (2") form factor, and was a drop-in replacement.

The UDST800 is also a 51mm (2") fitting.  Noting however that the UDST800 processor requires a separate power supply, and the specs sheet says that this is 12VDC.

Cheers,

David
Perigee, SM#396
Spanish Water, Curaçao


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Ebersprecher. Heater

Arthur Sundqvist
 

I have 3 different ac and heater in front aft and saloon.

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12 aug. 2018 kl. 14:58 skrev arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

If I were you I would select a Webasto diesel heater. They are virually the same devices as the Eberspächer but from what I recall the electronics on the Webasto are at bit better. Also they have a more spread dealer network. On our boat Amel installed a Webasto Air-Top 5.5 kW heater. These things are a pig to install after the boat has been build as you need a lot of cables, hoses and (isolated) ducts. So careful planning is required. I would ask a fellow Super Maramu with a factory installed heater about the exact routing of the ducts to avoid inventing the wheel twice.

Regarfs,

Arno
Luna, A54-121


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

Arthur Sundqvist
 

Yes I have...

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12 aug. 2018 kl. 16:18 skrev eric kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hi,
Do you have the forced fresh air syatem?
Fair winds,
Eric
SM 376 Kimberlte


On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 05:59 AM, 'arthur@...' arthur@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We want to install an heater in our SM2000. Does anyone have done this? Is the installation documented in some way or form. Please you who know could you share you insights.
Fair winds

Arthur Sundqvist
Vista , SM435

Skickat från min iPhone


Steering Rack Adjustment

Stephen Davis
 

We are just finishing up with final adjustments after replacing our steering racks, pinion, and steering cables, and have a question about how tight the racks should be. The racks are held together by 2 threaded studs with 2 cap nuts facing the galley. Should these 2 cap nuts be tightened enough so the racks do not move at all, or be a bit looser which allows the racks to scissor back an forth a little? I can't find anything written about this, and I'd appreciate it if some of you could look at your steering racks and let me know if they are a little loose, or if you are unable to move them. My vote is for very tight with no movement, but would like to know how they are adjusted on some other boats.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Ko Olina, Hawaii




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Ebersprecher. Heater

eric freedman
 

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